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	: ... it's hardly universal. Many professions, including those mentioned here, can exist when paid for by the state, the client for their work, to act for third parties (patients, litigants/defendants, citizens) who then isn't the client in the fiscal sense. For example, an English doctor is paid by the ] to be a doctor, and is expected to act professionally towards her patients, her colleagues and other members of the medical profession. The patients are service users, and receive the benefit of the service. They may or may not have actually paid for it. ] (]) 15:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)		: ... it's hardly universal. Many professions, including those mentioned here, can exist when paid for by the state, the client for their work, to act for third parties (patients, litigants/defendants, citizens) who then isn't the client in the fiscal sense. For example, an English doctor is paid by the ] to be a doctor, and is expected to act professionally towards her patients, her colleagues and other members of the medical profession. The patients are service users, and receive the benefit of the service. They may or may not have actually paid for it. ] (]) 15:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
			::I agree. One of the skills of profesionals is to manage this triangle. Difficulties are particularly acute when the patient has little or no voice - a child, an elderly stroke patient, a non-verbal autistic person, a foreigner without language or translator... or an animal (in the case of veterinary work). ] (]) 09:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

	Eid fazer ] (]) 20:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)		Eid fazer ] (]) 20:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

			== Professional Associations - inappropriate reference ==
	== Contribution of Muslim scientists ==

			In the section Etymology, the sentence " liberal professions are professions that require specialized training and that are '''regulated''' by "national governments or ]"." (my bold) shows an inappropriate reference. While "professional bodies" may be appropriate, the intenral link goes to "professional associations" which are correctly IMHO described as "a group that usually seeks to ] a particular ], the interests of individuals and organisations engaged in that profession, and the ]."
	The muslim scientists had played a great role in the development of biological, physical and other more than thousands of education fields. And they continued their efforts for many years and even centuries, so they deserve a lot of success.
	They proved that there is a great presence of Muslims. ] (]) 16:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

			While '''regulators''' are very concerned with the public interest, they should not be at all concerned with furthering "the interests of individuals" - the reverse, they are concerned with keeping individuals' conduct within ethical bounds and disciplining them if they are in breach. This subject is addressed in some detail in a page on Professional Ethics (which I haven't examined yet).
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			So I recommend removing the link to "professional associations" for the meantime and I will check if a link to Professional Ethics page is more suitable. ] (]) 09:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
	What do you mean by profession ] (]) 13:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

	== ~~Professional~~ ==		== Lack of Coordination ==

			The general area of professionalism seems to me to be unhelpfully split over several articles, including Professionalism, Profession, Professional Conduct, Professional, Professional Ethics, Professional Judgement and Professional Certification. While there is a lot of duplication, there are also gaps in some that are addressed by others. For instance, the response to uncertified persons working as if a professional is not mentioned in Professional Certification. There may also be some disagreements – concerning different professions, geographies and legislation traditions. How could they be better coordinated? ] (]) 10:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
	Professional ] (]) 15:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

	== Profession ==

	Xjvdydy ] (]) 06:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

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Left out a "rule"?

Professionals are paid by the person or entity they work on behalf of. e.g. a doctor is paid by their patient, a lawyer by his client. If, in the case of "social work" the client is not the one doing the paying, problems like a conflict of interest arise. Why is this 'payment by client' not in the list of rules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.252.113 (talk) 10:42, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

... it's hardly universal. Many professions, including those mentioned here, can exist when paid for by the state, the client for their work, to act for third parties (patients, litigants/defendants, citizens) who then isn't the client in the fiscal sense. For example, an English doctor is paid by the NHS to be a doctor, and is expected to act professionally towards her patients, her colleagues and other members of the medical profession. The patients are service users, and receive the benefit of the service. They may or may not have actually paid for it. Matt Whyndham (talk) 15:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree. One of the skills of profesionals is to manage this triangle. Difficulties are particularly acute when the patient has little or no voice - a child, an elderly stroke patient, a non-verbal autistic person, a foreigner without language or translator... or an animal (in the case of veterinary work). DS0022 (talk) 09:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Eid fazer Alex Macuácua (talk) 20:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Professional Associations - inappropriate reference

In the section Etymology, the sentence " liberal professions are professions that require specialized training and that are regulated by "national governments or professional bodies"." (my bold) shows an inappropriate reference. While "professional bodies" may be appropriate, the intenral link goes to "professional associations" which are correctly IMHO described as "a group that usually seeks to further a particular profession, the interests of individuals and organisations engaged in that profession, and the public interest."

While regulators are very concerned with the public interest, they should not be at all concerned with furthering "the interests of individuals" - the reverse, they are concerned with keeping individuals' conduct within ethical bounds and disciplining them if they are in breach. This subject is addressed in some detail in a page on Professional Ethics (which I haven't examined yet).

So I recommend removing the link to "professional associations" for the meantime and I will check if a link to Professional Ethics page is more suitable. DS0022 (talk) 09:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Lack of Coordination

The general area of professionalism seems to me to be unhelpfully split over several articles, including Professionalism, Profession, Professional Conduct, Professional, Professional Ethics, Professional Judgement and Professional Certification. While there is a lot of duplication, there are also gaps in some that are addressed by others. For instance, the response to uncertified persons working as if a professional is not mentioned in Professional Certification. There may also be some disagreements – concerning different professions, geographies and legislation traditions. How could they be better coordinated? DS0022 (talk) 10:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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