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== Reverted unexplained deletion == |
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== Multiple Arks == |
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{{re|Nycarchitecture212}} Your deletion was absolutely unexplained. And it seems part of your crusade against mainstream ]. ] (]) 20:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Midrashic traditions not represented in the current article (but quoted by Rashi, for example), state that there were multiple arks. In particular, the ark carried into battle was not the same as the one that remained housed in the Tabernacle. (It is therefore possible that some of the traditions about the ark being carried off to various locations refer to arks captured in battles, and the Temple Ark could remain hidden beneath the Temple Mount could all be valid without contradiction.) ] (]) 21:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:If other users are fine with him deleting my edits and contribution to the article without explanation I will not revert it. The section about where the ark is today according to Jewish tradition was very well sourced, happened to be interesting and what most readers came to the article wanting to read. I refuse to interact with this individual and will leave it to other editors to decide if they want it there. Have a nice day! --] (]) 01:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Misplaced Pages listens to modern Bible scholars. Who are the modern Bible scholars? |
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::You have the privilege of not talking to me ''at your own talk page.'' This is not your own talk page. You need to ], you cannot dodge it. You may ask for an interaction ban if you so wish. |
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:{{quote|Modern Bible scholarship/scholars (MBS) assumes that: |
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::Besides, I did not delete your edits, I have simply undone your unexplained deletion. ] (]) 03:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC) |
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• The Bible is a collection of books like any others: created and put together by normal (i.e. fallible) human beings; |
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• The Bible is often inconsistent because it derives from sources (written and oral) that do not always agree; individual biblical books grow over time, are multilayered; |
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• The Bible is to be interpreted in its context: |
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✦ Individual biblical books take shape in historical contexts; the Bible is a document of its time; |
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✦ Biblical verses are to be interpreted in context; |
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✦ The "original" or contextual meaning is to be prized above all others; |
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• The Bible is an ideologically-driven text (collection of texts). It is not "objective" or neutral about any of the topics that it treats. Its historical books are not "historical" in our sense. |
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✦ "hermeneutics of suspicion"; |
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✦ Consequently MBS often reject the alleged "facts" of the Bible (e.g. was Abraham a real person? Did the Israelites leave Egypt in a mighty Exodus? Was Solomon the king of a mighty empire?); |
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✦ MBS do not assess its moral or theological truth claims, and if they do, they do so from a humanist perspective; |
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★ The Bible contains many ideas/laws that we moderns find offensive; |
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• The authority of the Bible is for MBS a historical artifact; it does derive from any ontological status as the revealed word of God;|Beardsley Ruml|Shaye J.D. Cohen's Lecture Notes: INTRO TO THE HEBREW BIBLE @ Harvard (BAS website) (78 pages)}} |
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== The location == |
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:Quoted by ] (]) 22:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::Entirely out of topic, tgeorgescu. Drsruli is not talking about the authority of the Bible, but traditions in the ]. ] (]) 05:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC) |
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I am not going to edit or write, but not mentioned in the article is the fact that the Hebrew scriptures ( Book of Maccabees is not canon) is the prophet Jeremiah who says this in chapter 3. |
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Which, THIS Misplaced Pages article includes traditions found in the Midrash and quoted by Rashi. ] (]) 00:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
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16 “‘“And,” says Adonai, “in those days, when your numbers have increased in the land, people will no longer talk about the ark for the covenant of Adonai — they won’t think about it, they won’t miss it, and they won’t make another one. " |
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== Is this an article about a real object? == |
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It other translations it says remade and refashioned. Meaning it was destroyed, likely in the siege by Babylon. Someone else can put the information about Macabees being left out of the "Jewish Bible" also called the Hebrew scriptures. ] (]) 00:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Does it or has it ever existed? Where is it? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:"Book of Maccabees is not canon" Says who? ] (]) 08:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:If it existed, it has probably been destroyed since the ]. ] (]) 05:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Indeed, as alluded in the article, the Bible mentions that Josiah hid the ark around 1000 BCE, and the Talmudic tradition is that it remained there, buried in the catacombs beneath The Temple, approximately beneath its previous location. |
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As I mentioned above, similar traditions recorded the existence of multiple arks, one (or more) of which may have been captured and carried away. |
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Other Temple items were plundered by the Romans and removed to Rome (and one may speculate that they may be buried in the Vatican somewhere). (However by this time, it is acknowledged that the Ark had not been present in The Temple for over 500 years.) (And of course, some even believe that the Ark is buried in the Smithsonian archives.) |
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See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/Temple_menorah |
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] (]) 02:34, 25 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:If? Are you serious? The encyclopaedia of ifs? ] (]) 22:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::We follow what has been published in reliable sources. Unless you're suggesting that scholarly consensus has shifted and that it is an accepted viewpoint that the Ark of the Covenant never existed, then yes we cannot make qualified statements that reliable sources do not. - ] (]) 22:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::The Bible is a reliable source? Any evidence? ] (]) 23:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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I am not going to edit or write, but not mentioned in the article is the fact that the Hebrew scriptures ( Book of Maccabees is not canon) is the prophet Jeremiah who says this in chapter 3.
It other translations it says remade and refashioned. Meaning it was destroyed, likely in the siege by Babylon. Someone else can put the information about Macabees being left out of the "Jewish Bible" also called the Hebrew scriptures. 2600:6C40:7E7F:F9E8:C927:BDC4:C252:E3B7 (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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