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I would like to sort this out peacefully. ] (]) 02:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

:Go to the article talk page and get consensus. --] (]) 02:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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== Hephthalite–Sasanian War of 484 ==
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== Imperial Brothers: Valentinian, Valens and the Disaster at Adrianople. ==

Hi Kansas Bear, you don't happen to possess ''Imperial Brothers: Valentinian, Valens and the Disaster at Adrianople.''? I can view a reasonable amount of it on Google books, but unfortunately it doesn't show any page numbers, so its kinda useless. --] (]) 16:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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== Brill: Subutai ==

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:::{{ping|Wario-Man}} I recently obtained full, permanent access to most online databases (including most publications of Brill) through my university. That means no more ] needed for things like the third edition of the ''Encyclopedia of Islam'', amongst many others. {{ping|HistoryofIran}} {{ping|Al Ameer son}} {{ping|Attar-Aram syria}} {{ping|Wikaviani}} thought I'd let you know as well. - ] (]) 12:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Wario-Man}} Here's the relevant passage from the source you linked. Please let me know if you need more text from the same source:
::::{{blockquote|"''It also frequently appears in secondary literature that Subutai was of the Reindeer People, since there was a forest-dwelling group of people in the northwest of Mongolia who had the exonym of Uriyangqai, irrespective of whether they were Turkic or Mongolic speakers. Describing these people of the forest, Rashiduddin (Rashid al-Din) notes that they raised wild animals in the forest, travelled on sleds, and loathed the idea of living on the steppe and raising sheep or cattle like typical Mongolian nomads.24 Evidently this description of the Uriyangqai has been attached to Subutai in literature. Moreover, since the tribal name later became associated with the Tuvans, there is a persistent myth that Subutai was Tuvan. However, as Rashiduddin notes elsewhere, the group to which Subutai belonged was “separate and distinct” from the forest people.25 In fact, the clan to which he belonged was the Uriyangqat.26 The very slight difference in the form of the name, and the fact that there exists an obvious etymological connection, has led to much confusion for later scholars. However, the group to which Subutai belonged was situated among the Mongols in the Onon-Kherlen region of northeast Mongolia, closely affiliated with Chinggis Khan’s own tribal grouping, and had the practices of steppe nomads. The only detailed story of his youth, recounted in both his Yuan Shi biographies, is that Subutai and his brother rode to rescue their father from robbers while he was herding sheep. The entire narrative unfolds in a very traditionally Mongolian set of circumstances. Perhaps the sense of irony conjured by imagining that the Mongol Empire’s greatest general was a reindeer-herding outsider to steppe nomadic culture has a strong literary appeal to modern authors"''.}}
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:It would appear so I'm afraid.--] (]) 02:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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I thought you left WP. I miss KB but the new username is cool and unique. Keep it up! --] (]) 16:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi. You may be interested in . Cheers! --] (]) 08:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


:I'm still here. Yeah, it was time for a name change. Thanks. Stay safe Mann Mann!--] (]) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Every couple of days I like to check in on the editors I know, see what they're working on and I was shocked that typing in my usual sequence only directed me towards a sockpuppet! Cool to see a a new name :) ] (]) 20:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya ==

I don't have any written document about Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya. But there is a ] article on the book in online-cyclopaedia Islam Ansiklopedisi. ] (]) 10:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:Yeah, Beshogur gave me the bad news. It is written in Persian. :(
:I will keep on searching. --] (]) 14:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

== Re: ==

Hey. Good to hear from you as well. I just skimmed through the article and it looks as if it mainly deals with the origins of the Armenian Catholic community in Nakhichevan. It doesn't seem to discuss demographic changes that took place in the region during the early modern period. You may want to consult the works of Sebouh Aslanian (''From the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean'') and Edmund Herzig to see if they might have anything to say about the subject. Best, ] (]) 17:07, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Rhoads Murphey "Ottoman Warfare 1500-1700" book is written; "In the decades preceding the Ottomans’ attempted siege of Vienna in 1683 Ottoman
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==Io Saturnalia!==
:I am not interpreting anything. '''And the Russo-Turkish War 1676-1681 already has Ottoman victory(with Rhoads Murphey, Ottoman Warfare, 1500-1700 as a source)''' AND Indecisive. Both with reliable sources. So what is your problem?
*"Brian Davies, ''Warfare, State, and Society on the Black Sea Steppe, 1500-1700, page 170;"Furthermore, already from late 1677 Moscow's primary objective in the war had become the protection of Kiev and the Left Bank, and <u>by this test the first Muscovite-Ottoman War could be said to have ended on terms advantageous to Moscow, terms won through the action of the Muscovite and Left Bank Ukrainian armies following the destruction of Chyhyryn.</u> Victory was achieved in two ways.''"
:If I were interpreting anything, I would say Davies is stating a Russian victory, yet oddly I have not added Russian victory. On page 172, Davies is referring to the siege of Chyhyryn and not the war itself as a whole.

:FYI, continued edit warring can get you blocked. --] (]) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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==Schmitt (2018)==
Would you agree with this change? Just to make sure I understood the source correctly. - ] (]) 13:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

:Looks good to me. --] (]) 16:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

::Might be of use {{ping|HistoryofIran}} {{ping|Qahramani44}}:
::{{blockquote|"''It is important to note, however, that despite the unfounded claims of some Azeri historians, there was no united anti-Iranian movement, nor any regional, ethnic, or national identity, or plans for an independent state. The short-lived efforts of King Erekle II, Ebrahim Khan of Qarabagh, and Fath ʿAli Khan of Qobbeh to establish total hegemony over the South Caucasus all ended in failure. Such assertions have become more common among Azeri historians after 1989; for example, see, Dzh. M. Mustafaev, Severnye khanstva Azerbaidzhana i Rossiia (Baku, 1989) and E. Babaev, Iz istorii giandzhinskogo khanstva (Baku, 2003). In fact, after Stalin’s failure to annex Iranian Azarbayjan in 1946, Soviet historians not only proclaimed that the khanates were never part of Iran and were independent entities, but began (and have continued to do so after 1991) to refer to Iranian Azarbayjan as south Azerbaijan, which had been separated from north Azerbaijan, see V. Leviatov, Ocherki iz istorii Azerbaidzhana v XVIII veke (Baku, 1948). Such absurd notions are completely negated by Article III of the Golestan Treaty and Article I of the treaties between Russia and the khans of Qarabagh, Shakki and Shirvan; see Appendix 4."''}} -- Bournoutian, George (2020). "Georgia and the Khanates of South Caucasus in the Second Half of the Eighteenth Century" in ''From the Kur to the Aras: A Military History of Russia’s Move into the South Caucasus and the First Russo-Iranian War, 1801-1813''. Brill. p. 249 (note 4)
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== Sock farming and long-term abuse ==

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:I think you should self-revert as C.Fred suggests. --] (]) 23:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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== Battle of Mohi ==

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I don't care much about McLynn as a reliable or unreliable source. The fact is that the source himself claims "several hundred losses" among the troops exclusively under the command of Batu, but he is only one of 6 Mongol leaders who participated in this battle. (In other articles you can see that each of the Mongolian leaders had their own army, so it cannot be assumed that he was the "general" of the entire Mongolian army in the battle). Therefore, I consider it wrong to insert McLynn's content into the column of the total losses of the Mongolian army? ] (]) 21:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


*"''I don't care much about McLynn as a reliable or unreliable source.''"
:I do not care much for McLynn either. However, unless we get a consensus on the ] that McLynn is an unreliable source, it can and will be used.
*"''The fact is that the source himself claims "several hundred losses"''"
:Yet according to what I found in the McLynn source,"''It is true that Batu found a <u>few hundred fatalities at Mohi</u> too many, but he had only his own blundering to blame.''"
:What page did you find several hundred losses?? --] (]) 21:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
::I think that isn't the competence of the noticeboard. ] - editors is forbiden to interpret sourced statements in own way. McLynn did not explicitly state that the Mongols lost "several hundred" in this battle, but only referred to the losses in the army of Batu, one of the many Mongol leaders who fought in this particular battle. This misleading part was initialy inserted by a banned user that was in conflict with you. And yes “few” or “several” hundreds: it makes no difference, I didn't quote (these are synonyms) - it’s just wrong to insert into the article what the sources doesen't say. I think there is no need for "noticeboard consensus" about wiki rules? This "few hundred" thing just should be deleted from atricle. ] (]) 01:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but unless the noticeboard states that the McLynn source is unreliable, it has to stay. It would be this way with any source. My like or dislike of a source is immaterial. --] (]) 01:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

== Unreliable additions ==

Hi. Take a look at these recent changes, the citations look unreliable and the other changes seem like personal commentary. <b>]</b> <sup>]</sup> 08:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

:I can not find a copy to ] any of that information. The ''Ancient Turks'' book is older and should be checked at ] concerning its reliability.

: appears to be just a journalist. --] (]) 16:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

::As you see, that ''new user'' reverted one of my 2020 reverts and I got notified because of it. The revert is about some DNA studies. It's not my concern because it needs to be reviewed by the editors who are familiar with DNA and genetic studies. Currently I contribute to another WP project so I don't watch, edit, and patrol topics such as history, ethnic groups, and other related content anymore. I'm retired from editing those topics (personal reasons). Just wanted to notify you. {{Ping|LouisAragon}} Your thoughts? <b>]</b> <sup>]</sup> 17:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
:::Looks like a sockpuppet. Their revert was of your revert back in October of 2020! They can take their concerns to the talk page. Would be a good idea to notify Beshogur, as well. --] (]) 18:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
::::Does not look new to me too and it could be a SPI case; e.g. ] and the other activities since 14 June 2021. Also more odd stuff by another user. <b>]</b> <sup>]</sup> 18:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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== Priscillianists ==

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:I would suggest not using a primary source especially since that is a blog. --] (]) 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

::I could instead provide the wikisource for the Gallic Chronicle directly, if I can find an English translation. ] (]) 23:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I think we should avoid primary source(s) for this information and try to find secondary source(s) for it instead. Especially since the ] article is a GA-level article. Speaking of which, what was about? It would appear said source did not support your edit? And why did you restore said information with a questionable online tertiary source when you could use Lieu, Samuel (1992) ''Manichaeism in the Later Roman Empire and Medieval China'', page 113?? --] (]) 00:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

::::Agreed. I didn't read it from there as I don't have the book, but that looks like a better source to use. ] (]) 18:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::::By p. 113 I can preview "An even more strictly worded edict against the Manichaeans was issued by Theodosius (31 March 381)". Does this continue and refer to the decree of 382 mentioned frequently in tertiary sources?

:::::''Manichaeism'', Michel Tardieu, page 93, "''On 8 May Theodosius I issues an edict imposing attainder upon Manichaeans and depriving them of the right to draw up a will. Renewed on 31 March 382 and applied to every "Manichaean" hiding behind the names Encratite, Saccophorus, and Hydroparataste.''" --] (]) 23:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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== Afghan-Sikh Wars ==

Could you please go to the ] talk page to discuss your reverts? not replying is considered disruptive reverting, and if you don't reply I will take it up with an admin and revert it back to my changes that you removed solely for no reason by ignoring the reasons provided. ] (]) 23:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

*"'' if you don't reply I will take it up with an admin and revert it back to my changes that you removed solely for no reason''"

:Do not threaten me! NOTIFY AN ADMIN NOW!--] (]) 23:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
::" However, explaining to an editor the consequences of violating Misplaced Pages policies, like being blocked for vandalism, is not considered a threat." @] ] (]) 23:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

:::I have asked questions multiple times on the article talk page which you have blatantly ignored. Then you arrive on my talk page and threaten me and call me a vandal. Now you can stay off my talk page. Continue edit warring at your own peril. --] (]) 23:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
::::Ah, I apologize, I see that you have put in questions now, I have not seen those so I apologize. will answer there. ] (]) 23:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:::::@] You have been responded toward. ] (]) 00:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
::::::No need to ping me on my talk page. I have responded. The only issue is Mehta, and properly referencing the gov.pk source(page number(s), title, author). --] (]) 00:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

== Reminder: Discussion invitation Afghan-Sikh Wars ==

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==Missing cite in ]==
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== Request for counsel/ assistance - user Snarcky1996 deleting entire sections of King Sihamoni's page ==

Hello Kansas Bear,

Im reaching out if you can please help provide a third party perspective on King ]'s Misplaced Pages page, which is currently in the midst of editing warring instigated by user so called "Snarcky1996" and I understand this is not the first instance, he has engaged in this kind of behavior as per your comment on his page.

Are you able to please help intervene, amend, edit, improve, provide counsel, where applicable, provide a third party perspective, as Im only a relative cadet so to speak, compared to yourself and the likes of more experienced users on Misplaced Pages. I have also asked experienced user, Celia Homeford to help advise/ provide counsel as well, but user Snarcky1996, is ignoring all recommendations to add on/ amend, rather than just purely deleting every single section he disagrees. You would see in the edit summary/ talk page, he is insinuating character attacks because he simply disagrees.

The page has since been protected, but I fear once the protection period ends, aforementioned user, may engage with wholesale deletion, rather than amending/ adding on/ researching / citing with sources and hence editing warring may resume.

Many thanks heaps.

Kind Regards,
Contibutorthewise

:This appears to be outside my area of "so-called" expertise. Might I suggest Page Protection? Have you started a discussion on the talk page? If said editor continues to edit war, you may have to contact an Admin. --] (]) 17:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Kansas Bear,

Thanks heaps for the reply. The page is currently protected by only for a limited time at the moment as a result of the edit war. I may have to consider your recommendation in due course if that happens re asking for admin help. The 'Talk page' is currently ongoing, and I was subjected to name calling by the said editor. Hopefully, rather than an edit war, consensus can be reached in the near future.

Kind Regards,
Contributorthrwise

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== Yakub İ of Germiyan ==

I don't know if you remember I told you my problem about the Germiyanid principality.

The sources shown that the founder Yakup is a Kurdish-Turkish hybrid are not first-hand sources. just like in Germiyanid page. ] (]) 16:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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:I did find this journal;
*{{cite journal |first=Cemal |last=Kafadar |title=A Rome of One's Own: Reflections on Cultural Geography and Identity in the Lands of Rum |journal=Muqarnas |volume=24 |publisher=Brill |year=2007 |page=22 }}
:Which states, "''Ibn Battuta's reference to Yezid as the ancestor of the Sons of Germiyan, even if it is related by the traveler as a disparaging remark by their resentful neighbors, has thus led some modern scholars to deem the Germiyanids Kurds and occasioned a rebuttal by a Turkish historian: see Mustafa Cretin Varhk, Germiyanogullan Tarihi: 1300-1429 (Ankara, 1974). The actual circumstances may indeed have been so complex as not to allow for a designation of some of those tribal confederations with a straightforward ethnic marker comfortably recognized by modern readers.''" --] (]) 17:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

"Origin of Germiyanid, Mateos from Urfa, Malatya

According to his statement that a region was named “Germiyan”
It is said that it dates back to Malatya and thus to the Danishmenids.
has been removed. The period when Mateos lived, the gates of Anatolia
Coinciding with the period when it first opened to Turks, Danishmen
increases the importance of its connections with central Malatya.
It is believed that the Germiyans were from the Afshar tribe of the Oghuzes.
In the face of such views, Z. V. Togan, in Kütahya, "aşiret-i Harezm"
Kangli-Kipchak the service of the people of Horezm due to his record "harezm"
He claimed that they might be from the chak group."
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I already wrote before The person referred to here with Yazid is the Arab caliph Yazid bin Muawiya himself.

there is no reference to any Kurdish (or even Iranian) group. ] (]) 19:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

:I guess you should post a concern on the article talk page and try to gain consensus.--] (]) 20:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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:Thanks Bbb23, after 18 yrs my very first block is from you!
== The Battle of Qatwan played a very large role on the decline of Seljuk empire ==
:FYI: I used to go by Kansas Bear. Have a great weekend and stay safe! --] (]) 00:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::I remember you. I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why? Even without knowing who you were, I didn't like blocking you, but you violated 3RR and your reverts were not exempt per ]. You really shouldn't bring a report to AN3 complaining that another user violated 3RR when you yourself have also done so. Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.--] (]) 00:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:*"''I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why?''"
:::I was tired of how Chicago Bears were playing for the umpteenth year.
:*"''I didn't like blocking you''"
:::Its all good. I'm not taking it personal. You're a one hell of an Admin, and I honestly appreciate that. Besides, now I can do more research. :)
:*"''but you violated 3RR and your reverts were not exempt per ].''"
:::Would you believe it was for the greater good? The editor in question is writing ] and doesn't respond to talk page conversations(per Ealdgyth, BusterD, and myself).
:*"''You really shouldn't bring a report to AN3 complaining that another user violated 3RR when you yourself have also done so.''"
:::Yeah, I probably lost count.
:*"''Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.''"
:::Well, this year I'm avoiding the family dramah and staying in Lawrence. Take care Bbb23! --] (]) 00:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 224, December 2024 ==
In the ]. The Seljuqs were decisively defeated, which signalled the beginning of the end of the Great Seljuk Empire. More than anything, the decline of the Seljuks is when Khitais defeated them. ] (]) 15:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

:I know, I wrote the article. However, you added information, without a source, and without an edit summary. AND,

*"''The Seljuk empire began to decline in the 1140s after being defeated by the ] in ]...''"

:Is not completely correct, since it ignores Sanjar's capture and the continued Ghuzz incursions. Also, I would suggest bringing sources you have actually read and not something you have read in another article. --] (]) 15:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Okay. But the article of Seljuk empire, including other multiple articles all mentions Seljuks lost it's dominance after the losing their war in Qatwan to Khitans. The Kara-Khanid who were former vassals of Seljuks became vassals to Khitans. So I see nothing wrong mentioning their decline in 1140's were done by Khitans.

::" By Steppe, Desert, and Ocean: The Birth of Eurasia - Page 395 Barry W. Cunliffe · 2015. FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 395
::The Qara Khitans......"''At Samarkand in 1141 they confronted and defeated the Seljuk armies. The Karakhanids now became vassals of the Kara Khitans''"

::The Seljuks not only lost the war but also lost it's it's territory and former vassals. Which is obviously a huge blow to Seljuks. Only after that did the Khwarezm empire took over the Seljuks.] (]) 15:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


*"''The Seljuks not only lost the war but also lost it's it's territory and former vassals. Which is obviously a huge blow to Seljuks. Only after that did the Khwarezm empire took over the Seljuks.''"
:::The Seljuk's lost territory to the Khitan's which was one of a number of factors contributing to its decline.
*"''MalikShah also died in the same year, not long after his Persian vizier. His death marked the end of stability in the Seljuq Empire and the beginning of a gradual decline.''" --Iran's Regional Relations: A History from Antiquity to the Islamic Republic, Seyed Mohammad Houshisadat.
*"''Sultan Sanjar stayed in power in eastern Iran, ruling there from 1097 and serving as supreme sultan from 1118 to 1157. But his death ushered in the full decline of the Seljuq state in Iran.''" --Seljuqs and Their Successors: Art, Culture and History, Sheila R. Canby, page 11.
*"''The circumstance which led to the gradual decline and ultimate downfall of the Saljuqid empire were numerous.''" -- The decline of the Saljuqid Empire, Mawlawi Fadil Sanaullah, page 1.--] (]) 16:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
::Okay. I'm not claiming Khitans led to the full decline of the Seljuks but they definitely played the largest and most important in Seljuks decline in the 1140's. I just wanted to include Khitans as main factor of the beginning decline of Seljuks. Because they lose the war, lose Transoxania to Khitans, and had Kara-Khanids changed it's vassalage to the Khitans. You can't just say it one of the number of factor, it is the most important and major factor in 1140's leading to multiple factors of Seljuks decline in the future.

::Source: A Companion to the History of the Middle East - Page 147 Youssef M. Choueiri · 2008
::"''Qara-Khitai subjugated the Qarakhânids and in 1141 annihilated a Seljuk army near Samarqand, seizing Transoxania.''"

::Like all I want to edit in the top of the Seljuk empire is this (provided with sources) -----> Seljuk empire began to decline in the 1140s after losing in the ] to the ]. ] (]) 16:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

*"''You can't just say it one of the number of factor, it is the most important and major factor in 1140's leading to multiple factors of Seljuks decline in the future.''"
:::And yet I have provided sources stating that the Seljuq Empire was in decline even prior to Qatwan.
:::*"''Ibn al-Athir's bleak picture of the Seljuk Empire after Malikshah's death is replicated in much modern scholarship. The period is characterised as one of 'decline'.''"-- The Great Seljuk Empire, A.C.S. Peacock, page 72.
*"''Seljuk empire began to decline in the 1140s after losing in the ] to the ].''"
:::The references and information I have presented clearly indicates otherwise. Ignoring this information is ]. --] (]) 16:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
::: You used a source that talks about Seljuk's ultimate decline and was due to multiple factors. But not a single source about the ''beginning'' of Seljuks decline was not mainly due to battle of Qatwan.
::: What event was more important than the ] that let to the beginning of decline of Seljuks in 1140's ( I repeat. ''The beginning of decline'' not the total decline ) ? ] (]) 17:11, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

::::You have not presented any source(s) that proves your edit. I have presented multiple sources that states difference reasons for the decline, you are now ].
*"''What event was more important than the ] that let to the beginning of decline of Seljuks in 1140's''"
::::I would suggest reading the information and references I have presented here. Judging from your continued comments, you have not read anything.
::::Your continued reliance on what you read from another article and how you decide to interpret it is ]. --] (]) 17:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

== Restoration of my unbiased edits ==

I modified the Battle of Montgisard's muslim causalities and strenght because it appeared to be very biased, we know the muslim losses (they were approximately all annihilated) yet the wikipedia page says 'Unknown' (for obvious biased reasons as we saw the 'greatly exaggerated' comment on the strength section which is by the way not true. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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== Qara qoyunlu and Turkification of Azerbaijan ==

"Qaraqoyunlu are the drivers of these political migration movements from Anatolia to Iran and at the same time the first member of a new settlement movement that will ensure the restoration of Turkmen rule in Iran and, in fact, the Turkification of Azerbaijan. As it is understood from these words, the Turkish they spoke was the Oghuz or Turkmen language, which is called Azerbaijani today. It is understood that Jahanshah, one of the rulers of Qaraqoyunlu, was one of the representatives of Azerbaijani literature.

I want to add this, do you mind?

1.Source : Faruk Sümer, «Kara Koyunlular», I cilt, səh. VIII 2 source : Faruk Sümer, "Akkoyunlular", İslam Ansiklopedisi, I, s.251-271.

3source:https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/karakoyunlular ] (]) 00:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

:Why not ask {{ping|Beshogur}}, who was involved in the discussion and can read Turkish? --] (]) 02:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

ok i will ask him ] (]) 11:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

== Question.. ==

Hey KB, hope you're doing well. Wanted to ask what do you think of edit? Seems like a lot of partisan sources were added. Maybe I'm wrong, would like to hear your opinion. Take care, ] (]) 18:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Some researchers associate the Oghuz dialect of Qara qoyunlu with the Azerbaijani language. For example, Faruk Shumer noted that the Eastern Oghuz dialect of Qara Qoyunlu is called the Azerbaijani language today, while Muhsin Behramnejad noted that he called the Azerbaijani language a legacy inherited from the Kara-Qoyunlu Turkoman tribes. Sultan Qara qoyunlu 1435-1467 Jahanshah is a generally recognized representative of Azerbaijani poetry.

I would like to add the above text to the bottom of the Qaraqoyunlu Page, is there a problem?

Sources : Faruk Sümer, «Kara Koyunlular», I cilt, p. VIII. ISBN : 9751604354, 9789751604354

M.Behrâmnejâd, «Karakoyunlular, Akkoyunlular: İran ve Anadolu'da Türkmen Hanedanları», p. 14. ISBN: 6057635280, 9786057635280 Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Book 1 : https://books.google.az/books?id=X0zRAAAAMAAJ&dq=editions:ISBN9751604354 Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 18:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Book 2 : https://books.google.az/books?id=xzacygEACAAJ&dq=Karakoyunlular,+Akkoyunlular:+%C4%B0ran+ve+Anadolu%27da+T%C3%BCrkmen+Hanedanlar%C4%B1&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 18:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC) Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 19:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC) Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC) ] (]) 19:57, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

:Odd how all your sources/information/articles are not supported by any sources in Western academia. That is why articles should be written using third party(ie. neutral) sources. --] (]) 20:06, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Faruk Sümer is a historian from Turkey. There are many who use his sources in the articles of the Qaraqoyunlu state anyway. Muhsin Bahramnejad is Iranian, I think. Do you have a problem with sharing? ] (]) 20:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Was a short answer enough? ] (]) 20:35, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


*"''Faruk Sümer is a historian from Turkey. There are many who use his sources in the articles of the Qaraqoyunlu state anyway. Muhsin Bahramnejad is Iranian, I think.''"

:I do not care what the ethnicity is of an author. The books you linked are both non-viewable thus fail ]. Odd that you can not find any viewable third party sources.

*"'' Do you have a problem with sharing?''"
:Since you asked.
::My problem is with certain editors that think they can bring anything(government websites, personal websites, blogs, personal opinions, et.al.) to write what they want an article to state, especially when third party academic published sources state something else.
::My problem is with editors that drag another editor's ethnicity(believed, suspected, stated) into an issue, instead of arguing the facts/sources/issues of the matter.
::My problem is with certain editors that think other editors are just like them, editing to promote a specific ethnicity, nation, race.
::My problem is with certain editors that know <u>nothing</u> of the history of a region they are editing, instead simply adding what they have been told(either in school or by their government).
:Where do you think you fall?
*"''Was a short answer enough?''"
:The day you stop seeing other editors as enemies, will be the first step towards opening your mind. --] (]) 21:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Qaliba, you misunderstood me. My English is not good. I may have typos. I apologize if I said something to offend you. Could you just give a short answer, I wanted to write, I wrote it wrong. ] (]) 22:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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== Numbers ==

Mr. Kansas Bear - on the article Battle of Amritsar, same reliable source that provided 5000 numbers of Sikhs, same page number 36 also provides the number of Afghan/Mughal soldiers to be 20000. Exact quote "Baba Deep Singh, along with an army of 5000 volunteers set off and began marching towards Amritsar. The Faujdar of Amritsar tried to stop the march with a force of 20,000 soldiers."
This is also backed by other sources such as by Professor and historical researcher Hugh Barlow of Southern Illinois University where he says in his book, "Five hundred Sikhs did so, and en route to Amritsar their number swelled to five thousand. Five miles from the temple, an army of twenty thousand Afghan soldiers lay in wait for them." One more source by Historical Researcher and professor R.K. Pruthi, who is also a member of the national and international academic organisations, states that "Along the way to Amritsar 5000 Sikhs joined Baba Deep Singh. On the outskirts of Amritsar the heavily outnumbered Sikhs fought two fierce battle against a force of 20000."

So I was thinking of adding 20,000 in the infobox for Strength 2. ] (]) 19:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

:If the number of troops is referenced then that is fine. --] (]) 19:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I made the update with citations. Watching Chiefs vs Bengals. Overtime... Its a crazy match. ] (]) 23:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
:::I am glad the Chiefs lost. :-) --] (]) 23:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

== ] ==

Can you assist me in looking at this page? This article was created by an indefinitely blocked user so I can't communicate with him about the issues with the article. Based on the citations provided, they contradict with the information such as the details and the result of the battle. One historian Pradeep Barua states that Marathas were defeated by Afghans at Narela and other historian J.L. Mehta states that though Marathas had initial victory in the day, they later lost at night, after surprise attack from Rohilla Afghan forces of Najib-ud-daula.<br>
So the result should be Afghan victory right? or disputed? Also there is no mention of any exact number such as 5,000 Afghans or even the casualties. What do you think? I was going to fix the problems but thought to get a second set of eyes to look at first. ] (]) 13:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

:I would say, from a quick look at the sources in the article, that the result of the battle is disputed. The battle that occurs afterwards involving a Mughal force is a completely different conflict and should be treated as such. --] (]) 17:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:: right! If you would like, you can fix the article, might need new section for result of the battle as well. Or I can work on it once I get time after shoveling snow from my driveway. ] (]) 18:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== What do you think? ==

I think is the sock account of . New account shortly after master was blocked, edits in the same pages, asks questions about ] to same editor with same title , . You have more experience, so thought to ask for your opinion. Regards, ] (]) 22:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, Kansas Bear. I was away for a while. I would have shared your suspicion upon first seeing the edits, but the topic looks definitely legitimate. ] (]) 22:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

:Good to see you back. Stay safe and healthy. --] (]) 22:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Trying to help a bit ==

I saw the 500/30 list you are making and thought I could help a bit, some useful additions in my opinion (I'll add more if I find any):
* ], an Sockmaster that shows up every one in a while
*
* - ] (]) 17:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

== Comentários de uma criança brasileira ==

3° guerra mundial ] (]) 21:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

:"Why is it that foolishness repeats itself with such monotonous precision?" --Leto II, <u>God Emperor of Dune</u>. --] (]) 21:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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== Disagreement over wording ==

Hi, thanks for your edits/cleaning up of the Battle of Anandpur page firstly. Can you please look at this , the user is insisting on wording the sentence this way - "lost 2000 men in killed and wounded" over my " lost 2000 men that were killed or wounded". Granted, the source provided does say the former, however I think it's likely that it was just a typo or error in translation and the latter version makes more sense (at least to me). Please provide your opinion as I do not wish to edit war over a small issue. Thanks ] (]) 03:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

== Thoughts on title change ==
Mr.{{u|Kansas Bear}} - Hope you have recovered by now after the super bowl loss :) Better luck this year! I was looking at this article ] and was wondering if the title could be changed to '''Second Battle of Anandpur (1704)''', because certainly same year there was a previous battle according to the source of Tony Jacques where he too mentioned (1st) and (2nd) on page 49. Because I believe this is causing confusion among editors leading to disruptions. By changing the title, hopefully it would be more clear. What do you think? I think Mr.{{u|Slatersteven}} can help with this change. ] (]) 13:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

:I am not a KC Chiefs fan. I am a Chicago Bears fan. Hence the name, Kansas '''Bear'''.
:The problem would be having a first battle of Anandpur occurring in 1700, then a "second" showing up in 1704. On the template I chose the option of numbering all battles of Anandpur. However, if you(or I) want to change the two 1704 battles to 1st and 2nd '''AND''' change the 1700 first battle of anandpur to simply "battle of Anandpur (1700)", then I see no problem. Your thoughts?--] (]) 15:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

:I went ahead and made the change. --] (]) 16:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::{{u|Kansas Bear}} I saw the change you made to the template, and its absolutely fine. But would it be possible to change the title on the article as well to include '''Second'''? Like ''Second Battle of Anandpur (1704)''. ] (]) 17:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Done. --] (]) 19:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

== Battle of Dewair (1606) and sortkeys ==

Hello. Would you please take the time in re-reviewing I made today? You have without specifically addressing my change and as part of a larger revert. Not a huge issue, but it is the second time it it has happened on this page: and two days later . So I'm wondering if either in both cases, my edits were unintended victims of bad timing and friendly fire, or if there is actually something specific about these sortkeys you disagree.

If this is a case of conflating ] with piped-link syntax, (and this not uncommon) then please see ]. Thanks for your time. --] (]) 19:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

:Fixed.
:In February an and I reverted to a previous version, which removed your category edit.
:The latest was in and I reverted to a previous version, which removed your category edit.
:I do find it odd that you did not notice either change by either IP, both which removed referenced information. Either way, the issue had been fixed. --] (]) 19:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

::Thanks. Well, guilty as charged on my part. The first edit of mine last month was part of large effort to sort "Battle of..." type pages. I probably sorted over a thousand at least. I think I've seen this referred to as drive-by-editing. None of the pages are on my watchlist, nor did I check any content or recent changes. (Note: when I do notice something obvious, I do fix it of course:-) I realize this style of editing can hide problematic changes, but editors running AWB, bots, and vandalism itself and the associated reverts, all hide bad edits from watchlists. Not that it justifies anything, and your point is taken. Today, I just didn't notice anything but for my distraction of being reverted. Clearly I should have looked more closely at the history in that case, so my bad. ] (]) 19:49, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:::No worries. --] (]) 19:58, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== ] ==
Mr.{{u|Kansas Bear}}, Need second set of eyes. Looks like this page has been consistently disrupted since 11:58, 22 August 2021 . Originally the page was created on 08:00, 16 June 2021‎ with result of the war as Maratha victory but since 22 August 2021, an IP altered the result and some information (unsourced ofcourse). Then it proceeded with further disruptions with more IPs and in particular a new account Amruth7676. So I am going to revert the lead paragraph to last stable version of 18:54, 17 January 2022 by the original author Charvak157. I think I have figured out valid changes but if you have time, please take a look as well because there have been so many disruptions on this page that its little tedious to follow. I will keep this page on my watch list.] (]) 15:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


:The source for Martha victory, (Joshi, Pandit Shankar. Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj, 1657-1689 AD. New Delhi: S. Chand, 1980), has no page number(s) and is unverifiable from my area. What would be best for that article is to methodically use ] to write the article.
:As it stands right now, only two sources have page numbers. ].
:The Muddhachari(1967) actually states this about the 1682 war.
*"''First, Sambhaji the son of Shivaji invaded Mysore in 1682 and perpetrated horrible cruelties. Even though he was bought off by paying tribute, his interference in Mysore politics was a constant anxiety to Chikkadevaraja. The Jesuit letter of 1682 describes the precarious position of Chikkadevaraja, "The power of the king of Mysore begins to grow weak because, violently attacked in his own dominions by the troops of Sambogi, he cannot sustain and reinforce the armies he had sent to those countries. The far-reaching consequence of this Maratha war was that Chikkadevaraja was driven to make friendhsip with Aurangzeb. Secondly, there were no powerful chieftains in the Karnataka to whom Chikkadevaraja could look as reliable allies in case of necessity against the Marathas. Basappa Nayak of Ikkeri in Shimoga District was the ally of the Marathas and as such he could not be expected to be the friend of Mysore Raja. Muthuvirappa Nayak of Madura was a weak ruler. More than that he was an ally of the Marathas. Harji Mahadik, a Maratha general of Sambhaji, was still pursuing the people of Mysore from their important strongholds in Madura. Ekoji was also up in arms against Mysore. Under these circumstances Chikkadevaraja was left with no other alternative but to win the support of Aurangzeb.''" --The Mysore-Mughal Relations (1686-87), B. Muddacharia, Proceedings of the Indian History Congress, Vol. 29, PART I (1967), 168-169.
:The other source with page numbers, the Bertrand source, is from 1847 written by a Jesuit priest.
:The ] article has more problems than some IP disrupting it.--] (]) 16:42, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

== Disruptive IP ==

I just wanted to let you know that I reverted most of the ]'s edits. Judging by their edits, which are either unsourced or , and especially these two edit summaries, it's fair to assume that they are not here to build an encyclopedia and would probably need reporting if they continue. Best, ] (]) 16:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

:Agreed. My sincerest thanks, M. Bitton. --] (]) 16:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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== Margaret of Valois-Angoulême ==

Hi, I saw that you reverted my edit on the article for ]. I fixed the infobox to say that "Queen consort of Navarre" is just a royal title, not a French royal title. At this point in history, the crown of Navarre was not associated with the French crown; the last time France and Navarre shared a monarch was Charles IV in 1328. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)</span>

:I am unconvinced by your argument. I think we should get the opinions of some other editors. {{ping|Sovietblobfish}}, {{ping|Eric}},{{ping|Surtsicna}}, {{ping|Srnec}}, {{ping|M. Armando}},{{ping|BeatrixBelibaste}}, {{ping|Rjensen}}
:Those of you pinged(and any talk page stalkers), the question, "Is the title "Queen consort of Navarre", a French royal title?". Which also begs the question, is the title, "King of Navarre" a French royal title? My sincerest thanks for your responses. --] (]) 21:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

::Neither title is a "French" title prior to 1620, when Louis XIII incorporated the kingdom of Navarre (what was left of it) into France. For a reference, see ], ''French Absolutism: The Crucial Phase, 1620–1629'' (Cambridge University Press, 1968), . On another note, why was this page moved from ]? —] (]) 23:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

:::The crown of Navarre isn't my historical specialty, but Smec's position seems logical. ] (]) 06:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

::::I wish I could offer some perspective, but this is beyond my ken. I looked at our articles for ] and ], but didn't see anything that shed light on the question. I don't have a good handle on what constitutes an "official" royal title, nor on how such titles were recognized historically. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== Ali-Shir Nava'i ==

Why are you changing the information that I have added by giving the source? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Do you know how to read? I explained why in my edit summaries. --] (]) 11:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
You have to be descriptive, I don't understand what you mean, stop revisionism. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I suggest you refrain from accusations since you clearly do not understand English. Read MOS:BIO. The next accusation will get you banned from my talk page and reported. --] (]) 14:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

== Suleiman's suicide & Battle of Ain Salm==
Hi Kansas Bear, I do not understand why you refrain from writing that Suleiman commited suicide in the Ain Salm and Suleiman article. I am sorry if this is hurting your feelings, but I do not see a way around to potrait his death as a suicide. If you read the two primary sources quoted by me (Anna Komnena: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/AnnaComnena-Alexiad06.asp paragraph IX and Ibn al-Athir https://books.google.es/books?hl=es&id=BAN6ONlDkgIC&dq=The+Annals+of+the+Saljuq+Turks&q=Sulayman#v=snippet&q=artuq&f=false), you will see that both accept generally that he was killed and also hint to that this was widely known. Anna writes first (in paragaph XI) that he killed himself and then in the following that this became widely known throughtout Asia (obviously not continent that we understand nowadays). On the other hand, Ibn al-Athir first states that he was killed and then says that there is also '''one''' report that suggests he was killed in battle. al-Athir does not simply write "one report says this, another says the other" but it is clear from how he phrases it that this is one report from many.
Also, I do not understand how citing modern scholars help look past primary sources (which is also why I would not pay too much attention to Basan). I did not have a look at these books but are they quoting any other primary sources? Which ones would that be?
Finally, why did you remove Artuk beg from the command section in the battle info box for the battle of Ain Salm? Al-Athir mentions him as a successful general and he is mentioned even more prominently in fighting Suleiman then Tutush ("he fought heroically and encouraged the Arabs in battle"). Looking forward to your answer.
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==]==
Can you take a look and review this page? The citations prove that the end result was the treaty and there was no particular winner or loser from the war. Like here is the quote from
Richard Ernest Dupuy, Gay M. Hammerman, Grace P. Hayes's book "The American Revolution, a global war", page 247 states that "Hastings promptly repudiated the Treaty of Wadgaon and sent troops from Calcutta all the way across central India to strengthen the Bombay forces. One by one they captured Maratha cities. In May 1782 a new treaty was signed with the Marathas, the Treaty of Salbai. Although it merely restored the status quo ante bellum, this treaty gave the British twenty years of peace with the Marathas and permitted them to concentrate their efforts against the French and the forces of Mysore." Even historian James C. Bradford from book International Encyclopedia of Military History states on page 867, "The company renounced the first draft of the treaty of Wadgaon and kept of fighting until 1782, and, despite its capture of the fortress of Gwalior (1780), the only concession that the British could win was the cession of Salsette Island, which improved the security of Bombay."

But this other user on the page keeps reverting the changes by claiming it to be Maratha victory even when I mentioned in description to discuss the changes. And he uses the above same sources but alters the quotes. He even included a citation by author Y.G Bhave who is not an academicians historian and fails reliability. Can you review the article and changes please? ] (]) 12:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

:You should try and get all the facts on the talk page and start a discussion, to avoid edit warring. I will do some digging when I get home from work later today. --] (]) 12:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks, I have added all citations and quotes in article's talk page to explain that the result was a treaty with no particular winner or loser. Including this additional quote as well: M S Narvane in book "Battles of the Honourable East India Company: Making of the Raj", page 63 quotes that "Mudhoji was known to have taken bribe from Hastings and would not join a war. Mahadji, himself was anxious that his forces were not divided and separated, which war both in Malwa and in the Deccan would have entailed. Moreover, both Mahadji and Nana faced acute financial distress. Under these circumstances, peace at the most favorable terms was the only course left open. After prolonged negotiations a treaty was signed between Mahadji and Anderson on 17th May, 1782. It was known as the Treaty of Salbai, after a small village of the same name where Mahadji was in camp." M. S. Narvane further quotes that, "The main clauses of the treaty were as follows: All territories captured by the Company would be returned, including Bassein but excluding Salsette and some small islands near Bombay. These would remain with the British. Territories in Gujarat would be returned to the Peshwa and Gaikwad, Bhadoch being given to Mahadji for services rendered. Raghoba was to be handed over to the Marathas. He would spend the remainder of his life at a secluded spot in Maharashtra on a pension of Rs. 25,000 per month. Thus ended the First Anglo-Maratha war. Politically the Company was a slight gainer. They retained Salsette whereas the Marathas got back only what they had lost earlier. The main gain from the Maratha point of view was the elimination of the threat posed by Raghoba." Raghoba is Raghunath Rao. All this information is in the talk page as well. 13:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Unbelievable that my above changes, citations and quotes were reverted as I have been told that "You are not allowed to use large quotations in "quote=" parameter. It should not exceed more than 25 words in general." Is that right? If that is the case, a notification would have been reasonable so that I could have just shortened the quote. Anyways when you get chance later in the day, please take a look. ] (]) 14:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Sorry MehmoodS. The latest interrogation has convince me that I am not needed here. I wish you well in your editing. Take care. --] (]) 20:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

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Do you think this source is ], and, specifically, can it be used in the ] of the ]? Dabashi has made remarks about the actual battle itself, as well as its "ahistorical glorification" in Western thought and its usage in the "colonial" mindset. Thanks, - ] (]) 15:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


== SELJUK WARS LİST ARTICLE ==
== FYI ==


There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. ] (]) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Have you seen ? Ignoring all discussions on ]. Seems he wants to replace the whole article with his version. --] (]) 06:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


:I saw. I also saw where they called C.E. Bosworth an "Iranian academic". Besides, we already have a ] article, which is balanced and better written. --] (]) 12:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC) :Do you have ] in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --] 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Source: English Misplaced Pages. Some of the wars I write about here have their own pages. The others are on the Misplaced Pages Alp Arslan page. I suppose you would also consider the articles on Misplaced Pages to be reliable, right? ] (]) 21:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. ] (]) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


:::We can not use Misplaced Pages articles to reference Misplaced Pages, per ]. --] 21:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. ] (]) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? ] (]) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the ] references/sources have no page numbers thus fail ]. --] 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
:::::::https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
:::::::https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
:::::::https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
:::::::https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 ] (]) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
:https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 ] (]) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::battle of Caesarea
::Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
::Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
::Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies ] (]) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. ] (]) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::This isn't looking good. The ] doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the ]. --] 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --] 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? ] (]) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. ] (]) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::None of the 4 sources used in the article ], state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
:::::None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--] 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? ] (]) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. ] (]) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
{{od}}
No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --] 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


:Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? ] (]) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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SELJUK WARS LİST ARTICLE

There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. Kartal1071 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have reliable secondary sources in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --Kansas Bear 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Source: English Misplaced Pages. Some of the wars I write about here have their own pages. The others are on the Misplaced Pages Alp Arslan page. I suppose you would also consider the articles on Misplaced Pages to be reliable, right? Kartal1071 (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. Kartal1071 (talk) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
We can not use Misplaced Pages articles to reference Misplaced Pages, per WP:CIRC. --Kansas Bear 21:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. Kartal1071 (talk) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? Kartal1071 (talk) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the Battle of Nishapur (1038) references/sources have no page numbers thus fail verification. --Kansas Bear 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 Kartal1071 (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 Kartal1071 (talk) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
battle of Caesarea
Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies Kartal1071 (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. Kartal1071 (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
This isn't looking good. The Battle of Caesarea doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the List of battles involving the Seljuk Empire. --Kansas Bear 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Battle of Nishapur (1038) has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --Kansas Bear 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? Kartal1071 (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. Kartal1071 (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
None of the 4 sources used in the article Battle of Caesarea, state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--Kansas Bear 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. Kartal1071 (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --Kansas Bear 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll be checking it during lunch. --Kansas Bear 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)