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== November 2024 ==


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:You made a bold edit... You were reverted. Maybe you are right that this is better covered elsewhere, but do it proper. ] (]) 21:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::No, I reverted ''someone else's'' bold edit! ] split the main article and performed a bold ] to a new, unnecessary page without consensus. How can you possibly suggest I started this, that I'm not doing it properly? I appropriately contested and restored the status quo per ] and ]. If Lukasdragon1 or you want the subarticle split off, you need to do it properly and stop reverting my appropriate initial objection. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Reywas92... BRD is optional, with all due respect what are you talking about? Remember optional or not '''you didn't follow BRD'''. ] (]) 04:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Unlike other warnings, ] only comes with a single level. This was warranted because HEB inappropriately reverted me multiple times to reinstate a bold edit I objected to. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::In hindsight my reverts were entirely appropriate, you can't just tell lies like that... You chose to both edit war and warn me against edit warring, you chose not to follow BRD and then warned me about not following BRD. You were wrong, that you don't see that now is disturbing. ] (]) 22:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Lukasdragon1 did the Bold, I did the Revert. Then you decided to reimpose the contested split rather than Discuss. It's disturbing that you don't see that. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::The D in BRD applies to the person who was reverted... "Discuss your bold edit with the person who reverted you." it wouldn't apply to me... This however "If your reversion was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version." would apply to you if you were trying to follow BRD (I don't follow BRD as a rule). You've also never actually contested the split, if thats you mean to do then go do it. ] (]) 13:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)


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Hello! I don't know what you did to get att the photos in the wrong places (plus 2 photos from one and the same cafe!), but I wish you'd correct it. I cannot figure out how to do it, though I've been logged in since 2008. Please look at the results of your edits when done! This was certainly not an improvement. ] (]) 17:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
== Absurd ideas about the rules ==
:Sounds like you have ownership issues there buddy (there is no wrong place for a photo)... The technical effect is an excerpt, I think thats what is confusing you (you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there). ] (]) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
First of all, you are not an admin to decide on 3RR you opinion has no value beyond this.
:{{Reply|SergeWoodzing}} would you be so good as to point out the two images from the same cafe? ] (]) 17:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::No need for personal attacks here, and a condescending word like ''buddy'' only makes that far worse.
::Last time I looked there was also a historical photo of the "Logos Bros Central Cafe, Blackall, Queensland" which now is no longer there. Maybe you removed it wherever that is that the rest of is don't have access ("you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there")?
::Photos which are in the right sections (such as the old Swedish family) are preferred to their being strewn across an arcticle with less layout relevance. --] (]) 17:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::You start with "No need for personal attacks here" and then you proceed to make wild and unfounded claims about me having secret access and being sneaky and abusive. Calm down, this is an issue with your competence and you shouldn't be making your own lack of competence my problem. That being said I believe that I have solved any problems you have have, if I haven't let me know and I will be happy to. ] (]) 17:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::This edit is just confusing, it looks like to try and solve the issue on Coffee Culture you went and disrupted ]? ] (]) 17:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The issues on the article are for that talk page. Your direct personal specific accusation to me of "ownership issues" is a clear-cut case of personal attack. Again, also, please look at the results of your edits when done! You might see that something got screwed up without anyone else having to complain. --] (]) 17:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Sir, on the talk page you speculated that my edits were promotional... And unless I'm missing something this entire conversation is about issues on the article so why did you even post here then? ] (]) 19:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::You do actually appear to be engaged in something akin to ownership too, you added the photo of the old Swedish family you're now bent out of shape about. Ownership would explain the agressive and hyperbolic language you use, hard to understand otherwise (I assume you aren't normally a jerk). ] (]) 19:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Warning stands about your accusation of ownership as a clear personal attack, along with the word "buddy" as an extra uncivil little spice there. What you are adding only makes matters worse and the warning even more appropriate: "bent out of shape ... agressive and hyperbolic language you use ... aren't normally a jerk". I respectfully suggest you adhere to WP policy on civility from now on. Nobody in this conversation has attacked you in any way.
::::::Re "promo" you still have two photos from the same café ]. Hard to understand why. I'm giving you a chance to answer that question civilly, w/o any personal slurs. --] (]) 10:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::: No slurs have been used, and unless I'm missing something there are only two people in this conversation so saying "Nobody in this conversation" not "I" is weirdly obfuscatory and seems to imply consensus which doesn't exist (be careful not to do that). If you added the photo of the old Swedish family then the ownership concerns turned out to be valid. I was not the person who added those photos of the cafe there, why are you asking me and accusing me of promotion? Note that you are also apparently accusing me of promoting a business that as far as I can tell folded in the 1990s. ] (]) 16:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


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The whole point of adding that paragraph about Donetsk and Luhansk, despite it being unsourced, was that I wasn't sure whether to put these two territories into the article in the first place. According to the main article "List of states with limited recognition", it is indeed necessary to add these two territories. It is obvious that Taiwan has relations with neither Donetsk nor Luhansk, and that Taiwan recognises the territories as belonging to Ukraine. There should be sources available about Taiwan denouncing Russia's recognition of the two territories as sovereign states. If Donetsk and Luhansk are deemed to be unsuitable for the main article, then there's no need to add them to this subsection of Taiwan's foreign relations article. ] (]) 02:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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I added some illustrations and text to the latter article, as well as wikilinks leading to and from it, please check it now. What do you think about merging the quite detailed, but too specifically named article (all spotting rifles are sub-caliber training devices but not vice versa), into a more general topic which you marked as possibly not notable? Here are some sources which may demonstrate notability and in generally help to understand the wideness of the topic in general: https://www.rifleman.org.uk/Morris_Aiming_Tube.html, https://talesfromthesupplydepot.blog/2020/05/09/two-pounder-sub-calibre-training-round, https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/world-firearms/british-sub-caliber-training-devise-1971, https://armamentresearch.com/2x35-sub-calibre-training-device-used-as-amr-in-syria, https://books.google.com/books?id=C9QsLVcm474C&pg=PA393, https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/training/articles/training-with-sub-caliber-firearms-m79uie4uyJJ7pps1 ] (]) 11:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
:Unfortunately not all spotting rifles are sub-caliber training devices. However thank you for the sources. ] (]) 19:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Electoral history of JD Vance shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Articles for creation is not a consensus to split the main page. There is absolutely no need for split, and you (or that user) need a consensus for it. It is not my job to get a consensus for a merge because this is not a proposed merger, it's a contested split, and the initial proposal for a new subpage is what must now seek consensus. Reywas92 21:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

You made a bold edit... You were reverted. Maybe you are right that this is better covered elsewhere, but do it proper. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
No, I reverted someone else's bold edit! User:Lukasdragon1 split the main article here and performed a bold WP:SPLIT to a new, unnecessary page without consensus. How can you possibly suggest I started this, that I'm not doing it properly? I appropriately contested and restored the status quo per Misplaced Pages:Splitting#Step_1:_Create_a_discussion and WP:BRD. If Lukasdragon1 or you want the subarticle split off, you need to do it properly and stop reverting my appropriate initial objection. Reywas92 21:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Reywas92... BRD is optional, with all due respect what are you talking about? Remember optional or not you didn't follow BRD. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
That is a pretty intense warning for the "first offense" even if HEB made an error, which is not clear in any event. It is usually best @Reywas92 to begin with a less threatening warning for the first warning and scale up from there as may be required. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Unlike other warnings, Template:uw-3rr only comes with a single level. This was warranted because HEB inappropriately reverted me multiple times to reinstate a bold edit I objected to. Reywas92 18:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
In hindsight my reverts were entirely appropriate, you can't just tell lies like that... You chose to both edit war and warn me against edit warring, you chose not to follow BRD and then warned me about not following BRD. You were wrong, that you don't see that now is disturbing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Lukasdragon1 did the Bold, I did the Revert. Then you decided to reimpose the contested split rather than Discuss. It's disturbing that you don't see that. Reywas92 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
The D in BRD applies to the person who was reverted... "Discuss your bold edit with the person who reverted you." it wouldn't apply to me... This however "If your reversion was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version." would apply to you if you were trying to follow BRD (I don't follow BRD as a rule). You've also never actually contested the split, if thats you mean to do then go do it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Chess: thank you but I think I will sit this one out. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello! I don't know what you did here to get att the photos in the wrong places (plus 2 photos from one and the same cafe!), but I wish you'd correct it. I cannot figure out how to do it, though I've been logged in since 2008. Please look at the results of your edits when done! This was certainly not an improvement. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like you have ownership issues there buddy (there is no wrong place for a photo)... The technical effect is an excerpt, I think thats what is confusing you (you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
@SergeWoodzing: would you be so good as to point out the two images from the same cafe? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
No need for personal attacks here, and a condescending word like buddy only makes that far worse.
Last time I looked there was also a historical photo of the "Logos Bros Central Cafe, Blackall, Queensland" which now is no longer there. Maybe you removed it wherever that is that the rest of is don't have access ("you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there")?
Photos which are in the right sections (such as the old Swedish family) are preferred to their being strewn across an arcticle with less layout relevance. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
You start with "No need for personal attacks here" and then you proceed to make wild and unfounded claims about me having secret access and being sneaky and abusive. Calm down, this is an issue with your competence and you shouldn't be making your own lack of competence my problem. That being said I believe that I have solved any problems you have have, if I haven't let me know and I will be happy to. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
This edit is just confusing, it looks like to try and solve the issue on Coffee Culture you went and disrupted Greek café culture in Australia? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
The issues on the article are for that talk page. Your direct personal specific accusation to me of "ownership issues" is a clear-cut case of personal attack. Again, also, please look at the results of your edits when done! You might see that something got screwed up without anyone else having to complain. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Sir, on the talk page you speculated that my edits were promotional... And unless I'm missing something this entire conversation is about issues on the article so why did you even post here then? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
You do actually appear to be engaged in something akin to ownership too, you added the photo of the old Swedish family you're now bent out of shape about. Ownership would explain the agressive and hyperbolic language you use, hard to understand otherwise (I assume you aren't normally a jerk). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Warning stands about your accusation of ownership as a clear personal attack, along with the word "buddy" as an extra uncivil little spice there. What you are adding only makes matters worse and the warning even more appropriate: "bent out of shape ... agressive and hyperbolic language you use ... aren't normally a jerk". I respectfully suggest you adhere to WP policy on civility from now on. Nobody in this conversation has attacked you in any way.
Re "promo" you still have two photos from the same café here. Hard to understand why. I'm giving you a chance to answer that question civilly, w/o any personal slurs. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
No slurs have been used, and unless I'm missing something there are only two people in this conversation so saying "Nobody in this conversation" not "I" is weirdly obfuscatory and seems to imply consensus which doesn't exist (be careful not to do that). If you added the photo of the old Swedish family then the ownership concerns turned out to be valid. I was not the person who added those photos of the cafe there, why are you asking me and accusing me of promotion? Note that you are also apparently accusing me of promoting a business that as far as I can tell folded in the 1990s. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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