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Quick note. It just occurred to me that this section could be construed, by a malevolent entity, as an invitation to edit on my behalf, a violation WP:CANVASS. | |||
In fact, it is a to do list of things to look at on my return to editing. ]the ] 16:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
<s>]</s>, ], ], ] ]the ] 15:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
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::::] (two thingies, indeed) ]the ] 19:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:::::::::] lead ]the ] 15:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::] "melt blowing is not main article" ]the ] 11:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::] (Opening para of lead) Teesdale is not tees valley ]the ] 15:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::] English. ] <s>men dont lactate!!</s> ]the ] 08:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
edits by Jcaptieux. ]the ] 09:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::: on cashmere wool. Also TNT unsourced filler. ]the ] 12:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::]. Ist pic is not velvet. ]. ]the ] 11:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::::::Edits by ]the ] 18:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::] Natural fibres section baloney. ]the ] 08:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:::::::::: Tapas acupressure technique handwaving ]the ] 09:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::. ]the ] 16:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Reverted & warned. ] (]) 16:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC) ;) ]the ] 15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::] needs rewrite or TNT. ]the ] 15:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::::::::::::::::::<s> ]the ] 13:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</s> -]the ] 04:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::::::::] full of innaccuracy. ]the ] 08:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:::::::::::::::::::::] first sentence spelling!!! - ]the ] 16:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Follow up == | |||
Following El C's suggestion, your offer on the eponymous ANI thread, and your further comments on this page, a return to editing would not be possible unless I took up your offer. A surprising offer, given our interaction history. | |||
What say you ]? ]the ] 10:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:{{tps}} Roxy, to fix the ping, you need to link ] in a wholly new post, beginning on a new line and signed. (This post of mine has pinged them now.) ] | ] 11:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC). | |||
: It would be good to see you return to constructive editing and good standing with this community, Roxy. You have a beautiful Song. I hope you are well. --]] 11:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks Bish. Rosie? Wolfie? ;) My health issues are on the back burner atm, and I'm feeling better than the first half of the year, since my last episode in hospital. Health indicaters are all good. ]the ] 12:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::That's great! Bishzilla and the fly you <s>stole</s> <u>borrowed</u> from me are both delighted to hear it! ] | ] 13:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC). | |||
:::: I echo the Bish's sentiments. I'm so thrilled you are doing better. Let's keep playing that tune, okay? Rosie, Wolfie, and myself all agree. Ha! --]] 14:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Hey. The offer is still good, though I will be a bit slow to reply for a while. There's a medication shortage that's affecting me right now, and it's been making focusing and ordering my thoughts difficult (yay unmanaged ADHD!). I'm happy to "push" through it for you, there's no date right now for the meds being restocked unfortunately, but it will slow down my response time while I'm unmedicated. ] (]) 19:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::I'm glad to hear that Roxy is feeling better, and I wish good things for Sideswipe – I hope ''you'' feel better as soon as possible. I, too, would welcome Roxy coming back, but I also think that this is possible '''only''' with a very substantive engagement with Sideswipe's very generous efforts. --] (]) 23:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::I think that a very suitable wikiadage to use here is that ''there is no deadline.'' SS, I am grateful for your efforts to help/advise/discuss, but your priorites must be for your own well being, not for me, a stranger on the internetz. ]the ] 08:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm mostly OK, primarily just tired, easily distractable, and having to use more conscious effort at ordering my thoughts at the moment. Unmedicated ADHD is...not fun. Alas my specialist isn't returning any phone calls, my pharmacist has no idea when the meds will be back in stock, and information from the medication's sole manufacturer distributed via support groups is that it won't be fully back in stock until at least April next year. Though whether or not that date will slip remains to be seen (has slipped once already). ] (]) 16:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{re|Sideswipe9th}} I'm so sorry to hear that. Is there a doctor you can talk to about possible alternative medications? I'm dealing with something where I have to take pain medications pending surgery, and I know from my own recent experience that it can be horrific getting prescriptions refilled when I need them. For what little it's worth, you have my best wishes. --] (]) 20:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{re|Tryptofish}} Yes and no. I have a specialist, who is responsible for the prescription and monitoring of the medication, but they've been utterly unresponsive since my last contact with them at the start of October, shortly after the medication shortage alert was issued by the NHS. I've been trying to get in contact with them for weeks now, and have had no response other than "we'll call you as soon as we can" from a receptionist. | |||
::::::There are a few alternative meds I could be prescribed, one of which has shortages in a few specific brand name variants but is otherwise generally available. Unfortunately only the specialist can prescribe it, as all of the common ADHD meds in the UK are controlled substances. While my GP is happy to issue my repeat scripts as usual, and accommodate alternate dose requests of the same med (eg, if I was on 40mg of it, they'd be happy to prescribe 2x20mg if it was available) there's nothing else they can do. So I'm stuck here in limbo until either the specialist contacts me, or the meds are restocked at my pharmacist's distributors. And even if the later happens, there's no guarantee that I won't have the same issue 28 days later when I need to get the following month's prescription, at least until the sole manufacturer is able to get their production issues sorted. ] (]) 21:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Forgive me for yet another ping ], but you've got mail, a few days ago. I used the wikipedia email thingy, then disabled my wiki email again. ]the ] 13:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::(Just noted that SS hasn't edited for a few days) ]the ] 11:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I hope that's not because of their health problems, Roxy. Possibly a ygm notice on their page might help, so I've added one. ] | ] 12:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC). | |||
::::::::::Thanks Bish. ]the ] 12:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Hey Roxy, | |||
::::::::Sorry I've been on holiday with my family for Easter for the last week and haven't been near a computer (too busy winding up my nephew with Mario Kart). Still not fully back yet, I'll respond to your email towards the end of the week if that's OK? ] (]) 15:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::No worries SS, we have no deadline. I prefer GT6 on PS4 myself. ]the ] 15:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Hey Roxy, | |||
::::::::::Sorry, something urgent came up (non health related, but does affect my safety) yesterday evening that means I won't be able to respond to your email for a while. I don't have any timescales for when I'll be able to respond right now I'm afraid. ] (]) 15:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::No worries SS, Thanks. ]the ] 16:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== I'm sorry to see you're gone == | |||
I saw a talk page discussion you'd been in and I followed it here to see you'd been blocked. I don't think we've ever interacted but I've seen your username many times in pseudoscience related articles, often improving them greatly. I just wanted to say it was always good to see you in talk page discussions arguing for neutrality, actual reality-based neutrality that is, over POV-pushing. I'm sorry you're no longer able to edit, at least for now, but I wanted to thank you for all the fantastic edits you have made. I also hope you're doing well if you're still in the hospital and that you recover soon. ] (]) 23:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Oh dear after reading further into it I now have to distance myself very slightly, everything I said in my first message fully applies but I don't mean to weigh in on any of the drama that resulted in your block. Other than to say that I hope if you are unblocked you're able to continue improving articles about pseudoscience and other topics like you always did. :) ] (]) 23:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Me too!!! ]the ] 08:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Can you tell why u have edited the Joe root version of page ] (]) 16:59, 12 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:As my edsum said, it was unsourced. Further, it was unsupported by body text per ] -] ] 17:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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::But it's a well established fact one can look by even doing a Google search about the fab four, no offense any way ] (]) 07:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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:::We dont introduce unsourced "facts" by policy. When I google "fab four" I get lots of stuff about a 1960's beat combo. -] ] 07:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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:I really should have known to do that rather than ANI, and I had some reservations but couldn't, in the heat of the moment, think of a better way. Thanks for your prompt actions too. I'm going to put ] and ] in my sandbox for future reference. -] ] 11:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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With ] bringing Kate new fans and the longest wait for a number one hit, I am reminded of the best ever Kate bush track, on . Glorious. -] ] 15:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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:I'm going to take a risk, with the hope this isn't plonker-like behavior, and post here. I've been a long-time fan of the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain, but it's always bothered me that they don't use a bass ukulele more often, and instead use a standard acoustic bass guitar. I've got one of strung with , and it sounds absolutely amazing. They've got all manner of other ukuleles in use, I think I've even seen them use some banjoleles, but they seem to shun the bass uke. ] (]) 15:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::I think it is safe to say that if I cannot remember the reason I asked you to stay away, ''there is no longer any need to stay away.'' It will have been something petty that enraged me at the time. I'm pleased that I dont remember. Please dont remind me. | |||
::They all look very young on that video, Kitty has not been with us for a couple of years I think, so sad. | |||
::I did know that he used an accoustic bass guitar, but didn't know there was such a thing as a bass uke. If they didn't use a bass instrument of some type I dont think they would be as entertaining musically. It grounds the sound, so to speak. | |||
::I never owned a uke, but could do basic stuff, but my dad did a full on "standing on the corner" with twiddley bits at the drop of a hat. ] ] 23:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::The bass uke is a pretty unusual instrument. The strings are basically very thick, round rubber bands. I can pull the e string almost a foot from the body. I'm not much of a string player, although I've been a percussionist for a few decades. I recently picked up concertina as well, which is a fun little instrument. I also took fiddle lessons for a while, but I don't have the ears for fretless instruments. | |||
:::I learned my ukulele skills from my wife when we were dating. She's got a few decades on strings, and had an absolutely huge collection of ukuleles, mandolins, dulcimers, banjos and guitars. Ukulele is fun because it's so easy to pick up and strum songs. You can learn the most common chord progressions in an afternoon. ] (]) 23:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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== Since we've both been reverting them... == | |||
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I just thought I'd give you an fyi about this: . --] (]) 20:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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:Interesting. I have no idea how to find similar behaviour on articles that aren't on my watchlist from different IP's. I just thought I was sweeping up some rando. Let's see what happens from your report. -] ] 23:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::The way to find that is to look at the user contributions of the IP (along with checking the edit history of the vandalized pages for other recent vandalism). I tend to do that as a matter of habit with vandalism, so I can revert the rest of the vandalism. I just posted at ANI that the IP here is now doing block evasion. --] (]) 16:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::FYI, as an example, I saw this: , and then did this: . --] (]) 18:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: You both get all the fun. I get stuck in boring notability discussions over whether someone should be called a producer, executive producer or film financier. I need another hobby. Perhaps BASE jumping. I hear that's kinda interesting and edgy. --]] 16:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm not sure it's exactly ''fun'' reporting a vandal who keeps posting about hemorrhoids. (Arguably more like a pain in the... ) --] (]) 17:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
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::::::: Cheeky! {{emoji|1F609}} --]] 17:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Not yet, unfortunately == | |||
== ] - ìṣẹ̀ṣe symbol == | |||
Just wanted to note that it is my intention to appeal my CBAN soon, after more or less twelve months. I have not as yet had any meaningful discussion with SS, the outcome of which I would like to post here prior to appealing. -]the ] 17:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
Hello Roxy, | |||
:Be sure, first, to give serious thought to how you will approach the issue of not making trans editors and their friends uncomfortable. --] (]) 21:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
The symbol of ìṣẹ̀ṣe religion added is the genuine symbol of the religion, as it's been explained by ifá | |||
::I have, believe me. - ]the ] 22:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
- Iwájú Ọpọ́n | |||
:I said some insensitive and goading things to you in the aftermath of your block and I’m genuinely sorry. That said, I absolutely stand by supporting that block based on how you acted ''at the time''. I think you are a good and passionate editor but you cannot let your passion turn into extremism. There’s no need to verbally lacerate people over disputes on an online encyclopedia, no matter how important you think they are. I’d love to see you editing constructively again, but ''only'' if you respect ] and ] and don’t say anything marginalizing, disrespectful or tasteless about trans people. I also hope your medical issues have cleared up, even a little. ] (]) 10:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
- Ẹ̀yìn Ọpọ́n | |||
::Thank you for this, I appreciate it. Apology aside, I think you are quite correct in the rest of your advice. thanks again, ]the ] 15:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
- Olùmú Ọ̀tún | |||
- Olùkànràn Òsì | |||
- Àárín Ọpọ́n Ìta Ọ̀run. | |||
== Pending CBAN appeal == | |||
The symbol simply explained the philosophical concept of the four cardinal point of the earth.. ] (]) 09:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
I cannot believe it has been about eighteen months, a time I think is punishment enough for my uncivil behaviour. | |||
:I have no idea what the yoruba language in your post on means, but I believe you made those two images yourself, which is imho ] and ]. I had, and still have, every justification for removing those two images because of this. I have not yet decided what to do because you have reinstated them. -] ] 07:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::@] this is on my watchlist and I meant to delete it as unsourced, which I’ve now done. ] ] 08:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
], forgive the ping but I wondered if you would comment here about your (appreciated) suggestion to accept Sideswipes offer to discuss my "almost apology" with me. I have waited some time, but they are at the moment absent from the project. (I hope their meds situation improves asap). I appreciate this was just a suggestion on your part. I note that during that time my apologies were profuse. I also appreciate your closing the eponymous ANI thread that decided my punishment early, as you were correct imho, it would only have become worse for me. | |||
:::I think it is on my watchlist because of you. I saw that you had removed that Image just now before I saw this. There is another image they made, equally synth and imho meaningless in an english language wiki, that they added back, which I am tempted to remove. I was in the process of trying to remember where my interestwas sparked too, so thanks. -] ] 08:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::It would also be useful to have an rs for Iṣẹṣe which is probably used correctly but I’m not sure. ] ] 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
Any other suggestions or comments from anybody lurking would be appreciated. | |||
==Naturism== | |||
I think {{pagelinks|Naturism}} will need PP or a range block as the same edits were just performed by {{IPvandal|196.221.116.99}} which I reported to ]. Cheers ] (]) 09:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
]the ] 13:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::While having chemo, nice to be diverted! ] ] 10:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::Haha, I've been diverted for a couple of hours, and all this happened. Great stuff. -] ] 11:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Hello. I'm afraid that don't see any such suggestion here by myself to even be reminded what it might have consisted of. But even irrespective of that, I am not around for the next little while to assist with much of anything. And even if I were, I can't lift a community ban single-handedly. Relatedly, as the admin who closed the discussion about the community ban—which again, I do not have a firm recollection of at the time of writing—I'm unlikely to be the one to do the same with any appeals. Sorry, I'm writing in haste. Best wishes, ] 19:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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::It was a helpful suggestion you made when closing the ANI thread, and Cbanning me. I appreciate that this will go to ANI for a community decision, so will do so without said discussion. I have been waiting for some months. Thanks. ]the ] 23:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::It should go to ], not ]. --] (]) 00:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Hi, guess I was wrong, but the case, in a nutshell, was the one that ultimately made the GSOW people become a little more transparent about their activities on Misplaced Pages, and I got sent to the naughty step for barking too loud. -] ] 19:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Still too high level for me, I don't even know what GSOW is either. The naughty step? I thought it was straight to the doghouse for you... ] (]) 19:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::"Guerrilla Skeptics On Misplaced Pages" are a facebook group, dedicated to improving wikipedia. They do great work, follow the rules rather admirably, and mind their own business. They also pride themselves in giving newbies to wikipedia a basic grounding in how to survive the rough and tumble of editing in what is a controversial area, sceptical topics. I see, as I write this that you have further responded, but I think it worth noting that those on the otherside of the subject, those that complain about them (gsow) I do not consider to have the right idea about this project. fwiw. ;) -] ] 19:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Sorry, a little slow... Just had to put "GSOW" into the search box and it took me right there. ] (]) 19:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Hi, Roxy. Before this gets underway, I want to preemptively ask you a question. During the time of the ban (not quite a year ago), you made this edit, here on your talk page: , saying {{tq|men dont lactate!!}}. Obviously, that's biologically true for cis men (outside of ]), but the comment could be seen as insensitive to trans men. Can you provide some context for what you meant when you posted that, or perhaps, do you have different feelings about the post now? --] (]) 23:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* For what its worth if you're searching for meaning you will find it at the beginning of ], Doug posted a blog post with absolutely zero comment and I took one look at it and went "oh yeah Doug is right thats hella fringe he's calling senators loons etc" when apparently thats not at all what Doug meant. The whole thing happened because of a misunderstanding. I appear to have trodden into a minefield when I thought I was making uncontroversial edits (which I stand behind) which would have broad community support. ] (]) 19:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::I confess I didn't look at your link, guessed, and made a response that you would have thought was really stupid. | |||
*:I'll be honest and say that I cannot understand what is going on at FTN in that thread, and when that happens, I will usually step back and not concern myself too much, as in this case. I do hope that whatever is going on gets sorted out amicably for all concerned, as I respect all concerned very much. I dont know you as well as JPS and Doug though.regards - ] ] 19:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Actually, it was regarding diff. I probably wont do anything looking at it now. ]the ] 23:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::So another editor added a small amount of content, using the terminology "pregnant people". In case you are not aware, there has been a trend in the past year or two to use such language, out of sensitivity to the fact that, on rare occasion, trans men (people who were classified as female at birth, but who live and identify as male) can become pregnant, too. It's biologically possible for trans men to get pregnant, as well as to lactate. If you didn't know about that, that's OK, but now you do know. Obviously, such language use has come with some controversy. Some conservatives object to it, and it was a campaign issue in the recent US election. And even people who are not at all socially conservative, especially older people like me, have a bit of a learning curve to get used to it, because, let's face it, the language construction is unfamiliar. | |||
:::That said, however, I personally am sympathetic to people who use that language, and I'm likewise sympathetic to editors who use that language in our content. I think it's quite understandable if an editor who is trans feels that such language should be used as a matter of inclusiveness, and feels unwelcome if they encounter other editors who oppose such language. Personally, I am in favor of Misplaced Pages being inclusive in this way. | |||
:::So I think that, as you approach your appeal, you should consider this perspective. I would expect that some number of editors would strongly oppose your appeal if they see you saying things like "men don't lactate", and would interpret that as you having failed to learn what the community asked you to learn, as a condition of getting the ban lifted. Indeed, I might even oppose the appeal if I felt that you were failing in that regard. Better you hear that from me now, before things get underway, than for you to be caught unaware after your appeal is filed. --] (]) 00:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm at a loss. It feels like you have gone entirely out of your way to find fault with what I have said! Do you think I would have deliberately found a way to demean in these circumstances? Your interpretation of a post designed to remind me of something come the time in some future where I would be ''able to do something about it'' is grossly unfair. Look at all those posts in that section of this page - they are responses to things I saw on my watchlist that after a brief look, I feel might require some attention. '''If I didn't know any better,''' It would feel like an assumption of Bad Faith on your part. Aromatherapy is safely outside of GENSEX, and your interpretation never occurred to me. I had no idea that the phrase "pregnant people" was designed to avoid causing offence, and am entirely in favour of inclusivity. | |||
::::Given that, and the fact that I have always valued your opinion, should I delete the post? This thread? Before I appeal? ]the ] 14:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Roxy, it may not sound that way, but I want you to have a successful appeal, and I want you to be back with full editing permissions. What I pointed out is unquestionably something that would be raised against you if you were to file the appeal. Editors are going to look over what you posted during the ban, and they will see it, and there are some who would not hesitate to use it against you. In my opinion, it's a good thing that you were shocked by what I said, because that tells me that it had never occurred to you that what you posted would have appeared to have been in bad faith – and that's the person I know you to be. But I'm 100% certain that there are editors who would hold this against you. That's why I said that I wanted you to hear it from me, ahead of time, instead of being blindsided by it during the appeal. | |||
:::::So here are the things that I'd suggest you consider doing. First, take on board that what you posted, no matter how well-intentioned, can be taken to mean something bad-faith by editors, and be alert to that going forward. (Yes, aromatherapy is not in GENSEX, but gender-based descriptions of people are, and that was in the edit that you noted.) You did not know about that particular language when you posted that note to yourself, but now you do. Some people are sensitive about it, and they have legitimate reasons for that concern. As for what to leave here on your talk page, you might consider striking through that post, instead of deleting it. That's up to you. I would suggest leaving this discussion here, because you will be able to cite it as evidence that you have already engaged with the issue, and (as of the time of the appeal) will be ready to go forward, having already learned what the community wanted you to learn. --] (]) 23:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::As always, I'm grateful for your thoughts. I shall draft a statement here in the next couple of days. ]the ] 23:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Quick note. It just occurred to me that this section could be construed, by a malevolent entity, as an invitation to edit on my behalf, a violation WP:CANVASS.
In fact, it is a to do list of things to look at on my return to editing. Roxy the dog 16:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Field hockey, diff Field lacrosse, Faggot (food), List of fabrics Roxy the dog 15:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Yoga nidra Roxy the dog 13:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Organic wool Roxy the dog 07:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC) Screen printingRoxy the dog 11:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- lllt Roxy the dog 13:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC) Polar fleece Roxy the dog 23:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- International Down and Feather Testing Laboratory Roxy the dog 21:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Tufting Roxy the dog 01:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Peter Collins (racing driver) (two thingies, indeed) Roxy the dog 19:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Cotton duck Roxy the dog 09:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Suzanne A. Rogers Roxy the dog 14:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (Namechange incorrect?) Roxy the dog 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Pease pudding Roxy the dog 20:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Bea Alonzo lead Roxy the dog 15:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Nonwoven fabric "melt blowing is not main article" Roxy the dog 11:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Tees Valley (Opening para of lead) Teesdale is not tees valley Roxy the dog 15:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ysgol David Hughes English. Aromatherapy
men dont lactate!!Roxy the dog 08:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ysgol David Hughes English. Aromatherapy
- Tees Valley (Opening para of lead) Teesdale is not tees valley Roxy the dog 15:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nonwoven fabric "melt blowing is not main article" Roxy the dog 11:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Bea Alonzo lead Roxy the dog 15:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Pease pudding Roxy the dog 20:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (Namechange incorrect?) Roxy the dog 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Suzanne A. Rogers Roxy the dog 14:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Cotton duck Roxy the dog 09:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Peter Collins (racing driver) (two thingies, indeed) Roxy the dog 19:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Tufting Roxy the dog 01:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- International Down and Feather Testing Laboratory Roxy the dog 21:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
edits by Jcaptieux. Roxy the dog 09:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Jersey (fabric) Roxy the dog 06:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- yarn Roxy the dog 08:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- this diff on cashmere wool. Also TNT unsourced filler. Roxy the dog 12:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Velvet. Ist pic is not velvet. Synthetic fiber. Roxy the dog 11:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Velour Acrylic fiber. Roxy the dog 20:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Edits by Roxy the dog 18:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Textile industry Natural fibres section baloney. Roxy the dog 08:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council. Roxy the dog 12:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- metamerism Roxy the dog 15:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- diff Tapas acupressure technique handwaving Roxy the dog 09:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- spammer. Roxy the dog 16:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted & warned. Peaceray (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC) ;) Roxy the dog 15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Gallbladder flush needs rewrite or TNT. Roxy the dog 15:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- clue needed Roxy the dog 14:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- diff Roxy the dog 04:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- diff Roxy the dog 21:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- how many times? Roxy the dog 15:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
citogenisis Roxy the dog 13:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)-Roxy the dog 04:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)- Cellulose fiber full of innaccuracy. Roxy the dog 08:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Commas. Good grief Roxy the dog 12:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Taboo first sentence spelling!!! - Roxy the dog 16:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Commas. Good grief Roxy the dog 12:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cellulose fiber full of innaccuracy. Roxy the dog 08:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- how many times? Roxy the dog 15:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- diff Roxy the dog 21:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- diff Roxy the dog 04:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- clue needed Roxy the dog 14:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Gallbladder flush needs rewrite or TNT. Roxy the dog 15:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted & warned. Peaceray (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC) ;) Roxy the dog 15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- spammer. Roxy the dog 16:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- diff Tapas acupressure technique handwaving Roxy the dog 09:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- metamerism Roxy the dog 15:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council. Roxy the dog 12:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Textile industry Natural fibres section baloney. Roxy the dog 08:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Edits by Roxy the dog 18:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Velour Acrylic fiber. Roxy the dog 20:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Velvet. Ist pic is not velvet. Synthetic fiber. Roxy the dog 11:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- this diff on cashmere wool. Also TNT unsourced filler. Roxy the dog 12:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- yarn Roxy the dog 08:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Follow up
Following El C's suggestion, your offer on the eponymous ANI thread, and your further comments on this page, a return to editing would not be possible unless I took up your offer. A surprising offer, given our interaction history.
What say you User:Sideswipe9th? Roxy the dog 10:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Roxy, to fix the ping, you need to link User:Sideswipe9th in a wholly new post, beginning on a new line and signed. (This post of mine has pinged them now.) Bishonen | tålk 11:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC).
- It would be good to see you return to constructive editing and good standing with this community, Roxy. You have a beautiful Song. I hope you are well. --ARoseWolf 11:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Bish. Rosie? Wolfie? ;) My health issues are on the back burner atm, and I'm feeling better than the first half of the year, since my last episode in hospital. Health indicaters are all good. Roxy the dog 12:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- That's great! Bishzilla and the fly you
stoleborrowed from me are both delighted to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 13:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC).- I echo the Bish's sentiments. I'm so thrilled you are doing better. Let's keep playing that tune, okay? Rosie, Wolfie, and myself all agree. Ha! --ARoseWolf 14:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- That's great! Bishzilla and the fly you
- Thanks Bish. Rosie? Wolfie? ;) My health issues are on the back burner atm, and I'm feeling better than the first half of the year, since my last episode in hospital. Health indicaters are all good. Roxy the dog 12:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hey. The offer is still good, though I will be a bit slow to reply for a while. There's a medication shortage that's affecting me right now, and it's been making focusing and ordering my thoughts difficult (yay unmanaged ADHD!). I'm happy to "push" through it for you, there's no date right now for the meds being restocked unfortunately, but it will slow down my response time while I'm unmedicated. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm glad to hear that Roxy is feeling better, and I wish good things for Sideswipe – I hope you feel better as soon as possible. I, too, would welcome Roxy coming back, but I also think that this is possible only with a very substantive engagement with Sideswipe's very generous efforts. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think that a very suitable wikiadage to use here is that there is no deadline. SS, I am grateful for your efforts to help/advise/discuss, but your priorites must be for your own well being, not for me, a stranger on the internetz. Roxy the dog 08:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm mostly OK, primarily just tired, easily distractable, and having to use more conscious effort at ordering my thoughts at the moment. Unmedicated ADHD is...not fun. Alas my specialist isn't returning any phone calls, my pharmacist has no idea when the meds will be back in stock, and information from the medication's sole manufacturer distributed via support groups is that it won't be fully back in stock until at least April next year. Though whether or not that date will slip remains to be seen (has slipped once already). Sideswipe9th (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: I'm so sorry to hear that. Is there a doctor you can talk to about possible alternative medications? I'm dealing with something where I have to take pain medications pending surgery, and I know from my own recent experience that it can be horrific getting prescriptions refilled when I need them. For what little it's worth, you have my best wishes. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Tryptofish: Yes and no. I have a specialist, who is responsible for the prescription and monitoring of the medication, but they've been utterly unresponsive since my last contact with them at the start of October, shortly after the medication shortage alert was issued by the NHS. I've been trying to get in contact with them for weeks now, and have had no response other than "we'll call you as soon as we can" from a receptionist.
- There are a few alternative meds I could be prescribed, one of which has shortages in a few specific brand name variants but is otherwise generally available. Unfortunately only the specialist can prescribe it, as all of the common ADHD meds in the UK are controlled substances. While my GP is happy to issue my repeat scripts as usual, and accommodate alternate dose requests of the same med (eg, if I was on 40mg of it, they'd be happy to prescribe 2x20mg if it was available) there's nothing else they can do. So I'm stuck here in limbo until either the specialist contacts me, or the meds are restocked at my pharmacist's distributors. And even if the later happens, there's no guarantee that I won't have the same issue 28 days later when I need to get the following month's prescription, at least until the sole manufacturer is able to get their production issues sorted. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Forgive me for yet another ping User:Sideswipe9th, but you've got mail, a few days ago. I used the wikipedia email thingy, then disabled my wiki email again. Roxy the dog 13:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- (Just noted that SS hasn't edited for a few days) Roxy the dog 11:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I hope that's not because of their health problems, Roxy. Possibly a ygm notice on their page might help, so I've added one. Bishonen | tålk 12:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks Bish. Roxy the dog 12:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I hope that's not because of their health problems, Roxy. Possibly a ygm notice on their page might help, so I've added one. Bishonen | tålk 12:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- Hey Roxy,
- Sorry I've been on holiday with my family for Easter for the last week and haven't been near a computer (too busy winding up my nephew with Mario Kart). Still not fully back yet, I'll respond to your email towards the end of the week if that's OK? Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- No worries SS, we have no deadline. I prefer GT6 on PS4 myself. Roxy the dog 15:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hey Roxy,
- Sorry, something urgent came up (non health related, but does affect my safety) yesterday evening that means I won't be able to respond to your email for a while. I don't have any timescales for when I'll be able to respond right now I'm afraid. Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- No worries SS, Thanks. Roxy the dog 16:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- No worries SS, we have no deadline. I prefer GT6 on PS4 myself. Roxy the dog 15:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- (Just noted that SS hasn't edited for a few days) Roxy the dog 11:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive me for yet another ping User:Sideswipe9th, but you've got mail, a few days ago. I used the wikipedia email thingy, then disabled my wiki email again. Roxy the dog 13:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: I'm so sorry to hear that. Is there a doctor you can talk to about possible alternative medications? I'm dealing with something where I have to take pain medications pending surgery, and I know from my own recent experience that it can be horrific getting prescriptions refilled when I need them. For what little it's worth, you have my best wishes. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm mostly OK, primarily just tired, easily distractable, and having to use more conscious effort at ordering my thoughts at the moment. Unmedicated ADHD is...not fun. Alas my specialist isn't returning any phone calls, my pharmacist has no idea when the meds will be back in stock, and information from the medication's sole manufacturer distributed via support groups is that it won't be fully back in stock until at least April next year. Though whether or not that date will slip remains to be seen (has slipped once already). Sideswipe9th (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think that a very suitable wikiadage to use here is that there is no deadline. SS, I am grateful for your efforts to help/advise/discuss, but your priorites must be for your own well being, not for me, a stranger on the internetz. Roxy the dog 08:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm glad to hear that Roxy is feeling better, and I wish good things for Sideswipe – I hope you feel better as soon as possible. I, too, would welcome Roxy coming back, but I also think that this is possible only with a very substantive engagement with Sideswipe's very generous efforts. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry to see you're gone
I saw a talk page discussion you'd been in and I followed it here to see you'd been blocked. I don't think we've ever interacted but I've seen your username many times in pseudoscience related articles, often improving them greatly. I just wanted to say it was always good to see you in talk page discussions arguing for neutrality, actual reality-based neutrality that is, over POV-pushing. I'm sorry you're no longer able to edit, at least for now, but I wanted to thank you for all the fantastic edits you have made. I also hope you're doing well if you're still in the hospital and that you recover soon. XeCyranium (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh dear after reading further into it I now have to distance myself very slightly, everything I said in my first message fully applies but I don't mean to weigh in on any of the drama that resulted in your block. Other than to say that I hope if you are unblocked you're able to continue improving articles about pseudoscience and other topics like you always did. :) XeCyranium (talk) 23:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Me too!!! Roxy the dog 08:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Just wanted to note that it is my intention to appeal my CBAN soon, after more or less twelve months. I have not as yet had any meaningful discussion with SS, the outcome of which I would like to post here prior to appealing. -Roxy the dog 17:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Be sure, first, to give serious thought to how you will approach the issue of not making trans editors and their friends uncomfortable. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have, believe me. - Roxy the dog 22:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I said some insensitive and goading things to you in the aftermath of your block and I’m genuinely sorry. That said, I absolutely stand by supporting that block based on how you acted at the time. I think you are a good and passionate editor but you cannot let your passion turn into extremism. There’s no need to verbally lacerate people over disputes on an online encyclopedia, no matter how important you think they are. I’d love to see you editing constructively again, but only if you respect WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL and don’t say anything marginalizing, disrespectful or tasteless about trans people. I also hope your medical issues have cleared up, even a little. Dronebogus (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for this, I appreciate it. Apology aside, I think you are quite correct in the rest of your advice. thanks again, Roxy the dog 15:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Pending CBAN appeal
I cannot believe it has been about eighteen months, a time I think is punishment enough for my uncivil behaviour.
User:El C, forgive the ping but I wondered if you would comment here about your (appreciated) suggestion to accept Sideswipes offer to discuss my "almost apology" with me. I have waited some time, but they are at the moment absent from the project. (I hope their meds situation improves asap). I appreciate this was just a suggestion on your part. I note that during that time my apologies were profuse. I also appreciate your closing the eponymous ANI thread that decided my punishment early, as you were correct imho, it would only have become worse for me.
Any other suggestions or comments from anybody lurking would be appreciated.
Roxy the dog 13:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. I'm afraid that don't see any such suggestion here by myself to even be reminded what it might have consisted of. But even irrespective of that, I am not around for the next little while to assist with much of anything. And even if I were, I can't lift a community ban single-handedly. Relatedly, as the admin who closed the discussion about the community ban—which again, I do not have a firm recollection of at the time of writing—I'm unlikely to be the one to do the same with any appeals. Sorry, I'm writing in haste. Best wishes, El_C 19:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- It was a helpful suggestion you made when closing the ANI thread, and Cbanning me. I appreciate that this will go to ANI for a community decision, so will do so without said discussion. I have been waiting for some months. Thanks. Roxy the dog 23:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- It should go to WP:AN, not WP:ANI. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- It was a helpful suggestion you made when closing the ANI thread, and Cbanning me. I appreciate that this will go to ANI for a community decision, so will do so without said discussion. I have been waiting for some months. Thanks. Roxy the dog 23:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, Roxy. Before this gets underway, I want to preemptively ask you a question. During the time of the ban (not quite a year ago), you made this edit, here on your talk page: , saying
men dont lactate!!
. Obviously, that's biologically true for cis men (outside of some medical conditions), but the comment could be seen as insensitive to trans men. Can you provide some context for what you meant when you posted that, or perhaps, do you have different feelings about the post now? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- I confess I didn't look at your link, guessed, and made a response that you would have thought was really stupid.
- Actually, it was regarding this diff. I probably wont do anything looking at it now. Roxy the dog 23:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- So another editor added a small amount of content, using the terminology "pregnant people". In case you are not aware, there has been a trend in the past year or two to use such language, out of sensitivity to the fact that, on rare occasion, trans men (people who were classified as female at birth, but who live and identify as male) can become pregnant, too. It's biologically possible for trans men to get pregnant, as well as to lactate. If you didn't know about that, that's OK, but now you do know. Obviously, such language use has come with some controversy. Some conservatives object to it, and it was a campaign issue in the recent US election. And even people who are not at all socially conservative, especially older people like me, have a bit of a learning curve to get used to it, because, let's face it, the language construction is unfamiliar.
- That said, however, I personally am sympathetic to people who use that language, and I'm likewise sympathetic to editors who use that language in our content. I think it's quite understandable if an editor who is trans feels that such language should be used as a matter of inclusiveness, and feels unwelcome if they encounter other editors who oppose such language. Personally, I am in favor of Misplaced Pages being inclusive in this way.
- So I think that, as you approach your appeal, you should consider this perspective. I would expect that some number of editors would strongly oppose your appeal if they see you saying things like "men don't lactate", and would interpret that as you having failed to learn what the community asked you to learn, as a condition of getting the ban lifted. Indeed, I might even oppose the appeal if I felt that you were failing in that regard. Better you hear that from me now, before things get underway, than for you to be caught unaware after your appeal is filed. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm at a loss. It feels like you have gone entirely out of your way to find fault with what I have said! Do you think I would have deliberately found a way to demean in these circumstances? Your interpretation of a post designed to remind me of something come the time in some future where I would be able to do something about it is grossly unfair. Look at all those posts in that section of this page - they are responses to things I saw on my watchlist that after a brief look, I feel might require some attention. If I didn't know any better, It would feel like an assumption of Bad Faith on your part. Aromatherapy is safely outside of GENSEX, and your interpretation never occurred to me. I had no idea that the phrase "pregnant people" was designed to avoid causing offence, and am entirely in favour of inclusivity.
- Given that, and the fact that I have always valued your opinion, should I delete the post? This thread? Before I appeal? Roxy the dog 14:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Roxy, it may not sound that way, but I want you to have a successful appeal, and I want you to be back with full editing permissions. What I pointed out is unquestionably something that would be raised against you if you were to file the appeal. Editors are going to look over what you posted during the ban, and they will see it, and there are some who would not hesitate to use it against you. In my opinion, it's a good thing that you were shocked by what I said, because that tells me that it had never occurred to you that what you posted would have appeared to have been in bad faith – and that's the person I know you to be. But I'm 100% certain that there are editors who would hold this against you. That's why I said that I wanted you to hear it from me, ahead of time, instead of being blindsided by it during the appeal.
- So here are the things that I'd suggest you consider doing. First, take on board that what you posted, no matter how well-intentioned, can be taken to mean something bad-faith by editors, and be alert to that going forward. (Yes, aromatherapy is not in GENSEX, but gender-based descriptions of people are, and that was in the edit that you noted.) You did not know about that particular language when you posted that note to yourself, but now you do. Some people are sensitive about it, and they have legitimate reasons for that concern. As for what to leave here on your talk page, you might consider striking through that post, instead of deleting it. That's up to you. I would suggest leaving this discussion here, because you will be able to cite it as evidence that you have already engaged with the issue, and (as of the time of the appeal) will be ready to go forward, having already learned what the community wanted you to learn. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- As always, I'm grateful for your thoughts. I shall draft a statement here in the next couple of days. Roxy the dog 23:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)