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		⚫	==Uncited material in need of citations==
	== The film's theme tune: "Burn" or "Big Empty"? ==
		⚫	I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with ] of ], ] sources, per ], ], ], ], ], ], et al. shows where it was in the article. ] (]) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
	What makes you guys think ]'s "Burn" is ''The Crow'''s theme tune. The Pilots' "Big Empty" is often considered the true theme tune. -- ] (]) 17:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

		⚫	<blockquote>
	The big empty is the "real" theme but no one cares and everyone accepts burn as the real theme. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
		⚫	However, they unknowingly left the live primer in place at the rear of the cartridge. At some point during filming, the revolver was apparently discharged with one of these improperly-deactivated cartridges in the chamber, setting off the primer with enough force to drive the bullet partway into the barrel, where it became stuck (a condition known as a ]). The prop crew either failed to notice or failed to recognize the significance of this issue.

		⚫	He was rushed to the New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, where he underwent six hours of surgery. However, attempts to save him were unsuccessful, and Lee was pronounced dead at 1:03 pm EST on March 31, 1993, at the age of 28. The shooting was ruled an accident.
	==References to use==
		⚫	</blockquote>
	:''Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.''
		⚫	] (]) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
	*{{cite book \| last=Booker \| first=M. Keith \| year=2007 \| chapter=''The Crow'' \| title=May Contain Graphic Material: Comic Books, Graphic Novels, and Film \| publisher=Praeger \| pages= \| isbn=0275993868 }} <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== ~~Overlinking~~ ==		== Genre ==
	I have removed some wikilinks that constitute, in my opinion, ]. There is no need to link common words that a reader is unlikely to need to go to another article to get more information for. Having excessive wikilinks detracts from the usefulness of those wikilinks that should be there. One example is ]. Just because we have an article on defenestration doesn't mean that linking to it from this article is useful to the reader. People will understand the concept. Links should also not be repeated in close proximity. As an anonymous editor has been replacing these links, it would be helpful if he or she would discuss here why they think these links are necessary. Anyone else is welcome to comment/disagree of course... --]] 15:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

			Every notable site lists it as Action, and then alternately crime, drama, fantasy, thriller, and horror. Not one lists "superhero" once.
	== Should there be a section of the article for comparisons of the source material? ==
			*https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109506/
	I'm asking this due to the fact many people who love the movie don't know there are differences and to inform people that there are differences within the story to possibly get them to check out the differences. I put this forward because I know there are more then one or two minor things, such as the character of the crow who talks to Eric in the comic and has varying opinions then Eric on a few things.-] (]) 02:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
			*https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0109506/?ref_=bo_rl_ti
			*https://www.allmovie.com/movie/the-crow-vm434236
			*https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_crow
			*https://www.avclub.com/film/reviews/the-crow-1994
			*https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-crow/
			*https://movieweb.com/movie/the-crow/
			*https://www.primevideo.com/detail/The-Crow/0HOLEPPZO3JB645FH6FXVN6X6A
			*https://letterboxd.com/film/the-crow/genres/
			Superhero is such a reductive and incorrect assessment of the film purely because it's based on a comic book. ] (]) 21:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

			:Superhero as a genre is more speicifc and the movie actually falls into the genre. Additionally, it's sourced in the article, and The Independent is very reliable source. Sources you've linked have genres as tags (it should be noted that the "superhero" tag doesn't exist on most of these sites; Allmovie, for example, does, and it's listed), while those that call ''The Crow'' a superhero film actually call it a superhero film in the text. Also, ''AV Club'' ... I've seen many reliable websites and books that refer to ''The Crow'' as a work within the superhero genre.
	:That would be a good thing to include, bu only if it's discussed in indeprendent ], otherwise it would border on ]. Although it's a simple thing to point out what is in the comic but not the film, who are we to decide which bits are important enough to discuss? So, if you can find something in a reliable source that discusses some of the differences, then no problem.--]] 07:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
		⚫	] (]) 22:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
			::The independent is talking about the film in 2023 post MCU where every comic book film is apparently a "superhero" film. The overuse of superhero film across Misplaced Pages is a negative trait, boiling an action thriller like Captain America: The Winter Soldier down to the equivalent of a science-fiction comedy like Ant-Man. A gothic crime action drama like The Crow is not a superhero film, Eric Draven is not a superhero, he's a vengeful spirit and at best an anti-hero. Darkman's a superhero film according to Misplaced Pages, it's a joke. ] (]) 22:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
			::: I agree with Darkwarriorblake, it is weird and reductive to try and put this film into the superhero box (it fits better in the revenge thriller ] box IMO). That you can fit squeeze it into that box doesn't make it a good fit or the primary genre. The genre in the lead section has fluctuated over the years( 2015) but seems to have been mostly supernatural action. (The AV Club is retrospectively decades after the fact categorising the film as superhero so that Tom Breihan has an excuse to cover that week it in his recurring column.) ] That a few sources stick it in the superhero box anyway doesn't mean that this encyclopedia has to give more ] to those sources. Editors really need to think more carefully about writing the lead section in a way that is useful to help introdcue _encyclopedia readers_ to the subject, and I am not convinced that the labelling genre of as a superhero is the most useful thing for readers. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			::::Interesting, and the argument that the film isn't being described as such by various sources carries real weight, though the point that "superhero" isn't a recognized category by some of those sources is also a pretty solid rebuttal. I think I would be likely to classify it as a superhero film, in large part because I would classify the character as part of the superhero genre, which I think is the wider perception in the comic book community. He's rather reminiscent of Jim Corrigan's ] in that sense, in that he's a spirit of vengeance whose origin story involves his own murder; after taking vengeance on those who killed them, each move on to pursue vengeance against other wrongdoers. The comic character of the Crow follows the usual comic book superhero tropes (with a darker, Goth-inspired facade) and would, at the very least, be considered an antihero in the vein of someone like the ]. Are there comic book antiheroes who have had film adaptations that were ''not'' classified as superhero movies?
			::::When we identify comic book characters with film/television adaptations who are ''clearly'' not classified as superheroes, we usually move into territory like ] or ] or ] or ]--characters whose stories are told in the comic book medium, but who have no real connection to classic superhero story structure (though Custer could certainly still be accurately classified as an antihero). ] (]) 17:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

	== ~~Category:Telepathy~~ in ~~fiction~~ ==		== Sleeper hit claim ==
	The article mentions this 5 times using other reliable sources; that should be a reasonable amount of evidence the the inclusion of this category regardless of that I did not add those references. I should be able to add categories whenm it is readily apparent using a basic word count and having read the current wikipedia article it's self and seen it's references. If their an argument this film doesn't feature telepathy several times? Anything more than three seperate occurrences is a fair indication and this is 5. ] (]) 03:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

			The claim that his film was a ] is nonsense. The film opened at number 1 in the box office!
	== Linking ==
			The claim is entirely unsourced ], and was added without any explanation by anon an IP in January 2015.()
	{{tl\|help me}}

			"Sleeper hit" much is much like "cult classic" in that for years editors added it all over Misplaced Pages without any factual basis, merely because they ].
	What is the practice or policy of linking names etc in cinema articles since cast and crew can be included in an article and linked several times. Is there a practice that there be only one link per name and that the lede take precedence over box or cast/crew? Because if there is not a practice as to how many links there should be to reduce redundancy and provide readers with a strategy as to where if there is an article therefore a resulting link where it should be found.] (]) 17:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

			If for some <!-- bizarre -->reason editors actually believe this claim please note that because it has been in the article for so long someone out there has probably copied from this article and repeated the bogus claim. ] is real.
	:] says, ''"Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead."'' So that means it is okay to provide links in the lead section, the film infobox, and in the "Cast" section. Hope that helps! ] (] \| ]) <sup>(])</sup> 17:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

			Now I'm going to remove the claim from the article, it's only about a decade overdue. -- ] (]) 01:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
	==Changes to the plot==
	has any information on what they changed/removed ever been relased? like an orginal script or somthing.
⚫	~~were the changed scens importent at all or just filler~~ ] (]) 08:43, 28 ~~November~~ ~~2015~~ (UTC)

			== The Crow a horror film ==
	== Skull Cowboy ==
	It would be great to mention him. There's a reference about the character.
	http://www.mtv.com/news/2595354/the-crow-15-years-of-devils-night-3/ (also a reference for a deleted scene with Funboy) ] (]) 22:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

			The Crow has plenty elements to consider it a horror film. ] (]) 21:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
⚫	==Uncited material in need of citations==
⚫	I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with ] of ], ] sources, per ], ], ], ], ], ], et al. shows where it was in the article. ] (]) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

			:Agree ] (]) 22:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
⚫	<blockquote>
			::I might also agree that horror makes more sense than superhero. However, wikipedia has to follow ]. I don't care enough to read through multiple movie reviews, but my sense is that critics generally go with superhero and not horror. See the March 2024 conversation on genre above. ] (]) 05:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
⚫	However, they unknowingly left the live primer in place at the rear of the cartridge. At some point during filming, the revolver was apparently discharged with one of these improperly-deactivated cartridges in the chamber, setting off the primer with enough force to drive the bullet partway into the barrel, where it became stuck (a condition known as a ]). The prop crew either failed to notice or failed to recognize the significance of this issue.

⚫	He was rushed to the New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, where he underwent six hours of surgery. However, attempts to save him were unsuccessful, and Lee was pronounced dead at 1:03 pm EST on March 31, 1993, at the age of 28. The shooting was ruled an accident.
⚫	</blockquote>
⚫	] (]) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

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I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

However, they unknowingly left the live primer in place at the rear of the cartridge. At some point during filming, the revolver was apparently discharged with one of these improperly-deactivated cartridges in the chamber, setting off the primer with enough force to drive the bullet partway into the barrel, where it became stuck (a condition known as a squib load). The prop crew either failed to notice or failed to recognize the significance of this issue.
He was rushed to the New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, where he underwent six hours of surgery. However, attempts to save him were unsuccessful, and Lee was pronounced dead at 1:03 pm EST on March 31, 1993, at the age of 28. The shooting was ruled an accident.

Nightscream (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Genre

Every notable site lists it as Action, and then alternately crime, drama, fantasy, thriller, and horror. Not one lists "superhero" once.

Superhero is such a reductive and incorrect assessment of the film purely because it's based on a comic book. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Superhero as a genre is more speicifc and the movie actually falls into the genre. Additionally, it's sourced in the article, and The Independent is very reliable source. Sources you've linked have genres as tags (it should be noted that the "superhero" tag doesn't exist on most of these sites; Allmovie, for example, does, and it's listed), while those that call The Crow a superhero film actually call it a superhero film in the text. Also, AV Club has an article that calls it a superhero film too... I've seen many reliable websites and books that refer to The Crow as a work within the superhero genre.

31.41.60.15 (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

The independent is talking about the film in 2023 post MCU where every comic book film is apparently a "superhero" film. The overuse of superhero film across Misplaced Pages is a negative trait, boiling an action thriller like Captain America: The Winter Soldier down to the equivalent of a science-fiction comedy like Ant-Man. A gothic crime action drama like The Crow is not a superhero film, Eric Draven is not a superhero, he's a vengeful spirit and at best an anti-hero. Darkman's a superhero film according to Misplaced Pages, it's a joke. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Darkwarriorblake, it is weird and reductive to try and put this film into the superhero box (it fits better in the revenge thriller Death Wish box IMO). That you can fit squeeze it into that box doesn't make it a good fit or the primary genre. The genre in the lead section has fluctuated over the years(diff 2015) but seems to have been mostly supernatural action. (The AV Club is retrospectively decades after the fact categorising the film as superhero so that Tom Breihan has an excuse to cover that week it in his recurring column.) WP:FILMGENRE That a few sources stick it in the superhero box anyway doesn't mean that this encyclopedia has to give more WP:WEIGHT to those sources. Editors really need to think more carefully about writing the lead section in a way that is useful to help introdcue _encyclopedia readers_ to the subject, and I am not convinced that the labelling genre of as a superhero is the most useful thing for readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.192.119 (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, and the argument that the film isn't being described as such by various sources carries real weight, though the point that "superhero" isn't a recognized category by some of those sources is also a pretty solid rebuttal. I think I would be likely to classify it as a superhero film, in large part because I would classify the character as part of the superhero genre, which I think is the wider perception in the comic book community. He's rather reminiscent of Jim Corrigan's Spectre in that sense, in that he's a spirit of vengeance whose origin story involves his own murder; after taking vengeance on those who killed them, each move on to pursue vengeance against other wrongdoers. The comic character of the Crow follows the usual comic book superhero tropes (with a darker, Goth-inspired facade) and would, at the very least, be considered an antihero in the vein of someone like the Punisher. Are there comic book antiheroes who have had film adaptations that were not classified as superhero movies?

When we identify comic book characters with film/television adaptations who are clearly not classified as superheroes, we usually move into territory like Sandman or Tintin or Jesse Custer or Michael Sullivan--characters whose stories are told in the comic book medium, but who have no real connection to classic superhero story structure (though Custer could certainly still be accurately classified as an antihero). Grandpallama (talk) 17:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Sleeper hit claim

The claim that his film was a sleeper hit is nonsense. The film opened at number 1 in the box office! The claim is entirely unsourced original research, and was added without any explanation by anon an IP in January 2015.(diff)

"Sleeper hit" much is much like "cult classic" in that for years editors added it all over Misplaced Pages without any factual basis, merely because they happened to like a film.

If for some reason editors actually believe this claim please note that because it has been in the article for so long someone out there has probably copied from this article and repeated the bogus claim. WP:CITOGENESIS is real.

Now I'm going to remove the claim from the article, it's only about a decade overdue. -- 109.76.192.119 (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

The Crow a horror film

The Crow has plenty elements to consider it a horror film. 104.58.34.248 (talk) 21:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Agree 2600:6C5D:1F0:4C20:E842:6845:2EAC:FE5E (talk) 22:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I might also agree that horror makes more sense than superhero. However, wikipedia has to follow Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. I don't care enough to read through multiple movie reviews, but my sense is that critics generally go with superhero and not horror. See the March 2024 conversation on genre above. CAVincent (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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