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== Academy Award == |
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Gore didn't technically win the Academy Award for An Inconvenient Truth - the award goes to the film's producers, even though he was invited on stage to join them at the Oscar ceremony. I think, accordingly, that we should remove the descriptive piece and merely insert it as part of his bio with due explanation... |
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Also the sentence that states he won the award is grammatically incorrect. |
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I think we should keep what we have but the sentence should be changed. Al Gore's movie won an oscar but Al Gore certainly did not. ] 19:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC) |
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I do believe the quote from "The Associated Foreign Press" actually should be attributed to "Agence France Presse" as there is no such entity as "The Associated Foreign Press." |
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== Explanation of my revert == |
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Isn't it unnecessarily vague to use the phrase "pro-life"? Is this phrase understood in English speaking areas other than the United States? |
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] 14:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Internet creation issue == |
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Statements like "Gore was misrepresented" are not facts and shouldn't be on the page. Misplaced Pages readers may deduce it by reading Gore's CNN comments and comparing it to others' comments, but they should reach that conclusion by themselves. |
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*Why? Gore said X. Other people said Gore said Y. That's misrepresentation. --]] 00:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC) |
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**Gore said he created the internet. ] 01:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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In the late 1980s, Gore introduced the Gore Bill, which was later passed as the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. The bill was one of the most important pieces of legislation directly affecting the expansion of the internet. That second sentence doesn't have a source. Most important is very subjective. Cite or pull. --] 19:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC) |
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: It seems well cited on the ] page. ] 19:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC) |
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===Interesting Academic Facts=== |
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Al Gore, known for his "intellectual" personality had a SAT score of 1355 (625 in verbal and 730 in math) <ref></ref>. Al Gore's ] from tests administered in 1961 and 1964 respectively, have been recorded to be 133 and 134 <ref></ref>. Both IQ scores are in the 98 – 99.3 percentile. Despite his high IQ scores and a strong showing on the SAT, Gore's performance during his undergraduate education at Harvard was not very good <ref></ref>. Al Gore's undergraduate GPA has been rumored to be around 2.2, a fact that has yet to be confirmed or denied. |
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*Start again. Any time you're (a) using sneer quotes, or anything that can reasonably be mistaken for sneer quotes, and (b) putting in rumors that have "yet to be confirmed or denied", then you're in POV territory. --]] 13:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Instead of its own section, I think it would make more sense for this to be incorporated into the education part of the "Early life" section. Also, I think we should be more objective about his grades. If we have a source for his cumulative GPA, we can simply state it, without any opinion on how it might contrast with his test scores. (Also, I don't think the "genius" classification is taken very seriously anymore.) --] 21:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Kabrewskee's "Interesting Academic Facts" edits == |
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I edited the "Early Life" section by adding an "Education" sub-heading. I added the facts from the "Interesting Academic Facts" section that I wrote earlier and modified some of the writing to make it flow better. In the "Education" section I added Al Gore's class ranking at St. Alban's School, Al Gore's SAT scores, the fact that Harvard was the only university that he applied to, that he was an english major, changed the stated "government major" into Al Gore receiving a B.A. in government, and Al Gore's IQ scores. I also added information on his post-Vietnam attempts at graduate school in religious studies and law school at Vanderbilt university. |
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==Drunk driving== |
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Anyone mention his drunk driving arrest ?? ] 15:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protect == |
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I placed the article under semi-protection (yet again). There haven't been any legitimate edits to the article in awhile, while the IP vandalism seems pretty constant. If anyone has a problem with the protection, please let me know. · '''<font color="#709070">]</font>''' ''<font color="#007BA7" size="1">]</font>'' · 19:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC) |
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: Perhaps more completely protect against moving? It was just moved to "Total idiot" (again) a little while ago. I can't imagine a valid reason for anyone to move it at the moment. --] | ] 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Love Story Trivia == |
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Does anyone have a problem with removing the text "Gore was alleged to have said that he was a much more important influence on the novel than he was" from the triva section? It is uncited and ambiguous. What does "much more important influence" mean? The controversies page covers this topic and has a citation where the author says that Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones were the basis for the main character in the novel. Without defining "much more important influence" it is difficult to see how Al Gore's claim to any level of importance can be questioned.--] 00:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Deleted --] 01:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC) |
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After further review, based on the previous comment and citation, the "character who briefly appears" is inaccurate. --] 03:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==Worth Millions?== |
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Tucker on MSNBC said he is worth millions from a questionable deal with Google, what is this about, why isn't it here? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 00:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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== rewrite environment section == |
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I feel like the section on the environment does not provide a good summary of Gore's record. The artical states that Gore's record does not live up to Nader's standards. Without further info this statement is pretty much useless. Gore's mixed record on environmental issues has been overshadowed by the praise he has recieved for making An Inconvenient Truth. The league of conservation voters gave him a mediocre lifetime rating of 64 percent going into the primary with Bradley--hardly anything to be proud of, and pretty contradictory to what he now says he cares about. I think a re-write or at least a thorough editing is waranted. Any thoughts? ] 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)jamec378 |
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== Nobel Peace Prize == |
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Could someone please ad that Al Gore was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 2007 (31st of January 2007). The Nomination was made by Børge Brende former Minister of the Environment of Norway (2001-2004) and Heidi Pedersen. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded annually in Norway (summer/autumn). ] |
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:It doesn't make sense to mention this. Nominations have no official standing. For example, Hitler and Stalin were nominees. Rush Limbaugh is also apparently a nominee this year along with Al Gore, yet I hardly think Limbaugh's article should give him credit for that. Winning the prize is all that matters. See the article on ] for further explanation. --] 14:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Articles in the Misplaced Pages frequently mention nominations and thus I am going to restore the nomination line. Removal should be based upon group consensus only. -] 14:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::I agree. Even though its not the same thing, Oscar and Emmy nominees are often mentioned as such. ] 19:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Apples and elephants. For the Oscars, each category is voted upon by people who work in the same field (except for Best Picture). And the nominations are the five entries that received the most votes in the initial ballot. With only five nominees per category, it is an honour just to be nominated. I would guess that the Emmy's work in much the same way. |
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:::I actually think that it belittles Al Gore to say that being nominated for a Peace Prize is one of his '''greatest''' achievements, being mentioned in the article even before his 2000 candidacy. I just realised that the lead section doesn't even mention his Oscar nomination. ] - ] 23:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Technically he hasn't been nominated for an Oscar, but the movie he's in has been (the Oscar would go to the director or producers, I think).... is there a source which talks about how there's a serious chance he could win the Nobel? //// ] ] ] 05:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::True about the Oscar bit -- according to , ] is the person who will receive the award if ''An Inconvenient Truth'' wins Best Documentary Feature. As for his chances of winning, I have no idea, though according to Nobel Foundation rules, they strongly discourage people from publicising their nominations, which may go against him. ] - ] 06:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:I don't think it needs to be mentioned in the lead section. From ]: |
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::"Nominations for the Prize may be made by a broad array of qualified individuals, including former recipients, members of national assemblies and congresses, university professors, international judges, and special advisors to the Prize Committee." |
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:And this large group of people can nominate anyone they like. And the people who are nominated is kept secret, unless people start saying they nominated so and so. That being said, I don't think it hurts for it to be mentioned later in the article. ] - ] 22:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::As far as I can tell there is nothing in Misplaced Pages guidelines which states that a nomination of any kind should not be listed in an article. The Nobel nomination is now listed within the article (in the Environment section) rather than the introduction and otherwise follows Misplaced Pages policy (it is notable since it is mentioned in virtually all current news articles about Gore and it is verifiable). Unless someone can find something within Misplaced Pages policy which states that it should be removed, I believe that it is a fair point to make. -] 12:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::::That is fine. My real problem was that it was being mentioned in the lead paragraph of the article. ] - ] 21:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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=== Notice of centralized discussion on inclusion of ] nominations in bios === |
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I started a discussion at ] on this issue. It may well eventually be moved off the Village Pump policy page at some point in the future, but it seemed a good place to get the discussion started. —] <sup>]</sup> 12:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Dab notice == |
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YOU SAY: |
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This article is about the former Vice President of the United States. For his father, Congressman from Tennessee, see Albert Gore, Sr. |
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IT SHOULD SAY: |
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This article is about the former Vice President of the United States. For his father, U.S. Senator from Tennessee, see Albert Gore, Sr. |
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] 02:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== The president's name was not "Bill asshole" == |
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There is a libelous text: "Bill asshole" is not the name of the president, under whom Al Gore was vice president. It was Bill Clinton. (] 11:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)) |
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:That's... nice... I'm sorry, where in the article does it say Bill asshole, cos I am just not seeing it ] 11:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Complete Idiot?! == |
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I did a search on this to see what would happen and got a redirect to Al Gore. This seems is POV. Can we change it please.--] 21:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Without prejudice regarding its accuracy, I deleted the redirect. —] <sup>]</sup> 21:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Thank you--] 01:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:FYI—I scanned the list of pages that link to the article (almost 2000 of them) and there are no other inappropriate redirects. —] <sup>]</sup> 05:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Criticisms == |
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Why is there no "Criticisms" section in the AL Gore article? Articles on prominent political figures (i.e. Ronald Reagan, etc.) on Misplaced Pages have one. There is a link to a "Controversies" article, but if you look at the history of that article you see (rightly) that anything the editors deem a criticism, not a controversy, is systematically removed from there, to the point that many of the criticisms in the original article are gone. It seems to be a pattern; the criticisms are moved to the controversy page, they are eventually labeled not technically controversies, and then they are removed. Don't get me wrong..I don't know Al Gore from a hole in the head and don't have any factual information to contribute, but it seems like a strange break in standard procedure. The Controversies section seems toothless for such a prominent person and a poor substitute for an honest section on criticisms. For that matter, why was the Controversies section moved to a separate page in the first place...it seems to only leave, at best, an incomplete picture of the man in his biography. .--] 21 Sunday, 2007-02-11 T 23:11 UTC) |
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Good point since Gore is a Gulfstream evironmentalist (someone who preaches about the environment than takes private jets everywhere)] 22:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== global warming contradiction == |
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al gore uses flies aroung the world on private jets and then lectures the rest of us about glaobal warming? i had to add this fact. ] 14:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC) |
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and as usual, the fact has been removed. why cant we tell the truth here? the instructions say "be bold" and when we are, it gets erased by the hypersensitive PC police here at wiki. ] 16:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Please pay attention; this was discussed at least twice last year (apparently archived now). Gore's air travel is '''explicitly mentioned in the article already''', so go read paragraph 4 of the Environment section and stop crying "censorship" when the fact is that you are trolling (either intentionally or out of ignorance). ] 17:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC) |
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thanks frankie, its an honor to be repimanded by someone of such inteligence. ] 17:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== trivia removed == |
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To be integrated into the article once sourced. |
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* Gore and his former college roommate ] were the basis for the male lead role in the novel '']'' by ].{{Fact|date=February 2007}} |
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* Gore is the highest elected official to have run a ] while in office. He ran the 1997 Marine Corps Marathon in 4:58:25 or a pace of 11:25/mile. His ] agents were also runners and changed every few miles. {{Fact|date=February 2007}} |
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* Gore climbed to the summit of ] in 1999.<ref>http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/102700/gen_ease.shtml</ref> |
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*On ] ], Gore, with Queen Latifah, presented the award for "Best Rock Album" to the Red Hot Chili Peppers at the 49th Annual Grammy Awards.{{Fact|date=February 2007}} ] 19:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Promoting Enviornmental Awareness== |
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Yeah, so, at the beginning of the "Promoting Enviornmental Awareness" it says, and I quote: |
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"IT HAS JUST BEEN REPORTED THAT AL GORE CONSUMES AS MUCH ELECTRICITY EACH MONTH AS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY CONSUMES IN ONE YEAR!!!!" |
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Would this be classified as vanadlizism or what? ] 00:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Wassa Matta |
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DRUDGE linked to the story. Here is the website http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367 |
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that's pretty much the problem. drudge isn't exactly known for factual and/or bipartisan reporting.. |
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furthermore, the verbiage and the other topics suggest that the TCPR isn't as non-partisan as it claims to be. |
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==POV fork== |
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], created yesterday, is clearly a ] of ]. It should be AFD'd. ] 02:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Famous Line == |
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Should someone put in the "I used to be the next President of the United States of America." quite as something of a controversial remark?] 12:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== MISUSE OF THE WORD "APPROXIMATELY" == |
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I tagged this article for it's non-neutrality due to all criticism of the subject being segregated into a different sub-article with a link to it being buried at the bottom of this article while at the same time this very article contains a substantial section on Criticism of the Bush administration. This article was HYPOCRITICAL --] 20:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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The text says that Gore won the popular election by "APPROXIMATELY 543,895 votes". Now, approximately means CLOSE TO a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time. 543,895 is a round and precise number. Either write "EXACTLY 543,895" or just quote the number, without an adverb preceding it. ] (]) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:I know we have a history and that you are obviously still angry. However, I removed the section. I hope that makes you happier. Please try to be civil. ] 22:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:You are correct. I have fixed the article. ] (]) 01:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Why does this page not say he is divorced? == |
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::I don't know who you are, nor do I care, but I would appreciate it if you did not censor out my personal comments. Calling a section of an article hypocritical has nothing to do with a "personal attack"; it wasn't even directed at anyone in particular; it was an attack on the article's content. Cheers! --] 22:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Al and Tipper are divorced and she has remarried ] (]) 17:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry. Please be civil. ] 22:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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: Do you have a ] for this? From a cursory Google, I can find plenty of news articles about their separation in 2010, but can't find anything reliable for either the divorce or her remarriage. (Her article does not mention it.) --] (]) 12:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Please be civil and stop censorship. This article WAS hypocritical --] 22:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Please don't accuse me of vandalism and censorship. Please be civil in all future exchanges. Thanks. ] 23:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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It's like talking --removed attack --] 23:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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The portrait currently in the infobox is certainly the only official portrait available to us, but it is very old. |
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:Please stop it. ] 23:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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What do you think about replacing it with the photo opposite and moving it just below the infobox? |
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::Seriously, there is no need to make disparaging remarks. ] 23:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Sincerely, ] (]) 10:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:::You are now vandalizing this page. Please stop. ] 23:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:{{Ping|Rochambeau1783}} ] (]) 23:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::::Nothing new. Jayzel has been begging for an RFC for a long time. ] 23:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' – This image isn't any better than the current image and would be different from every other former VP. ] (]) 00:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC) |
The text says that Gore won the popular election by "APPROXIMATELY 543,895 votes". Now, approximately means CLOSE TO a particular number or time although not exactly that number or time. 543,895 is a round and precise number. Either write "EXACTLY 543,895" or just quote the number, without an adverb preceding it. 2804:D84:2280:2400:6F91:F3D:19FB:6CA0 (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
The portrait currently in the infobox is certainly the only official portrait available to us, but it is very old.
What do you think about replacing it with the photo opposite and moving it just below the infobox?