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] 12:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
| {{cite book|last=Williams|first=Mark Andrew|year=2016|title=Ireland's Immortals: A History of the Gods of Irish Myth|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/Ireland_s_Immortals.html?id=6A-sjwEACAAJ|publisher=]|isbn=0691157316|oclc=966607852}}


| {{cite book|last=Carey|first=John|author-link=John Carey (Celticist)|editor-last=Murray|editor-first=Kevin|year=2018|title=The Mythological Cycle of Medieval Irish Literature|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/The_Mythological_Cycle_of_Medieval_Irish.html?id=TA7LugEACAAJ|publisher=Cork Studies in Celtic Literatures|isbn=0995546924|oclc=1054115919}}


| {{cite book|last=Murray|first=Kevin|year=2017|title=The Early Finn Cycle|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=K15cMQAACAAJ|location=Dublin|publisher=]|isbn=1846826306|oclc=1004318451}}
==Other Comments==
Some of this is Scots as much as Irish. Perhaps it would be better placed in Celtic or Gaelic mythology. -- ]
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Pre-christion Ireland and Scotland were a single cultural region, (in fact the term "Scot" was originally applied to people in Ireland), so yes this stuff probably should be moved somewhere more general. Probably ] is the place to put it rather than ] (on the assumption that Welsh and Breton mythology is sufficiently different). --]


| {{cite book|last=McCone|first=Kim R.|year=1990|title=Pagan Past and Christian Present in Early Irish Literature|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/Pagan_Past_and_Christian_Present_in_Earl.html?id=iBB6QgAACAAJ|publisher=An Sagart|isbn=1870684109|oclc=1067754283}}
:Gaelic mythology would certainly be more accurate. I would move it, but because Irish mythographers (and, for instance, German Hibernicists) tend to use the word "Irish" where Gaelic is meant, Irish is much more recognizable. What do others think? - ] 16:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


| {{cite book|last=Bhreathnach|first=Edel|author-link=Edel Bhreathnach|year=2014|title=Ireland in the Medieval World, AD400-1000: Landscape, Kingship and Religion|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/The_Mythological_Cycle_of_Medieval_Irish.html?id=loqbtgAACAAJ|location=Dublin|publisher=]|isbn=1846823412|oclc=875517988}}
I think there will probably need to be a sort out at some point. But this was really put up (with the move to the PHP bracketed solution firmly in mind) so that precisely these sorts of issues could be addressed. Once we get brackets we can do this such that we can split the different implementations of the various Celtic deities by ethnicity e.g. , , etc. ] --


| {{cite book|last=Kelly|first=Fergus|author-link=Fergus Kelly|year=2016|title=A Guide to Early Irish Law|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=HN--MgEACAAJ|publisher=Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies|isbn=1855002140|oclc=1023541067}}
::There does need to be some recognition of the pan-Gaelic nature of some of this stuff, particularly the Fenian material, but most "Irish mythology" - the Invasions tradition, the Ulster Cycle, the Kings Cycles - ''is'' specifically Irish. It's also wrong to say that pre-Christian Ireland and Scotland were one cultural region, as the Gaelic colonisation of Scotland is quite late and mostly Christian - pre Christian Scotland was mostly Brythonic and therefore of a cultural piece with the Welsh and Cornish. The different manifestations of Lugh are already addressed to a certain degree - ] is the ancient continental Celtic deity, ] is the Irish former deity, ] is the Welsh manifestation. The differences in time, geography and story require them to be treated separately. I don't know if there is a surviving Breton equivalent, but if there is he'll have a distinctive Breton name and story and should have his own article, obviously linking to the others.--] 18:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
::: Scottish (i.e. Gaelic) colonization of northern Britain was ''mostly'' post-christian, that is true; but that makes little difference, as virtually all Gaelic mythology is recorded in the christian era. The Scots and Irish do need to be treated as one people for almost all of the middle ages. The Scots themselves, until the 14th century at least, regarded Ireland as their homeland, and indeed many Scottish Gaelic myths are set in Ireland. Moreover, a new article on Gaelic mythology would simply replicate much of the fine stuff in this article. The only reason I'm ok with the current title is, like I said, because Irish is frequently used were Gaelic is blatantly meant (e.g. ''Imperator Scottorum'' equalling ''Emperor of the Irish'' rather than the more accurate ''High King of the Gaels''; or ''Middle Irish''; or ''the Irish Kings of Scotland''). It's not the job of wikipedia, after all, to correct imperfect scholarly habits. If it were, I'd be all for moving the article. - ] 18:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


| {{cite book|last=Raftery|first=Barry|author-link=Barry Raftery|year=1998|title=Pagan Celtic Ireland: The Enigma of the Irish Iron Age|url=https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=ykZ2QgAACAAJ|location=London|publisher=]|isbn=0500279837|oclc=750621647}}
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Some of these stories are not religious in nature. Many of them continued past the Christianization of Ireland and were accepted as historical or folk tales. This page should not be renamed 'stories of the Irish religion' it would be akin to describing Paul Bunyan as part of the American religion.
:But exactly the same thing can be said about the Bible. And yet LMS still moved ] to ] -- so if we are to be neutral, we must do the same thing to ]. Also, even if they survived the arrival of Christianity as folk tales, they were religious stories to begin with. -- ]


| {{cite journal|last=McCone|first=Kim R.|year=1986|title=Werewolves, cyclopes, díberga, and Fíanna: juvenile delinquency in early Ireland|journal=]|volume=12|pages=1–22}}
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| {{cite journal|last=McCone|first=Kim R.|year=1996|title=The Cyclops in Celtic, Germanic and Indo-European myth|journal=]|volume=30|pages=89–111}}
A few points I'd like to make.


| {{cite journal|last=Murray|first=Kevin|year=2019|title=Sources of Irish mythology. The significance of the dinnṡenchas|journal=North American Journal of Celtic Studies|volume=3|issue=2|pages=155–170|doi=10.26818/nortamerceltstud.3.2.0155}}
*The statement re Scotland and Ireland is a bit sweeping. There is a distinct limit to the spread of Irish as a language inSscotland in the prehistoric era basically just the Nort West.It would probably be truer to view Irish-speaking areas of scotland between the 5th and 9th centuries to actually be an part of Ireland, culturally at least. Plus all the major source documents are of Irish origin.
* Of the 4 cycles. the Mythological is entitirely devoted to 'events' in Ireland, the Ulster has a short section on the training of Cuchulainn that is set in scotland and the Historical deals with semi-historical Irish kings. Only the Fenian has a significant Scottish element.
*Irish mythology is a perfectly respectable academic label, and has been since at least the mid 19th century.
*There is no real evidence for considering Irish mythology as being in any way religious. The religious element is a mix of introductions by Chriatian scribes, Victorias and new age hipie-dippy types.The 'gods' were apparently not worshipped and are, in fact, more like the heros of Greek mythology. Would you say that ], ], etc should be moved, too?


| {{cite journal|last=McManus|first=Damian|year=2009|url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/20787546|title=Good-looking and irresistible: the hero from early Irish saga to classical poetry|journal=]|volume=59|pages=57–109}}

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I would like to restructure this article to give more information on the sources, nature and structure of Irish mythology and have made a brief start at ]. Also of interest (maybe) is ]. ] 13:06, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Here is the text I am overwriting:

'''Irish mythology''' is the collection of tales and beliefs out of Celtic ] and ] in ], mostly prior to the widespread introduction of ]. Major legendary cycles that have survived to the present day include the ''Tain'' and the ].


== Topics in Irish mythology == == Topics in Irish mythology ==
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Is ] different from ]?--] 22:47, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Irish Mythology

Gods

They all decent from a common father known as Daghadha.

Dagda/ Daghadha/ Devos
The gods all decent from a common father, this gods name was Devos. Devos was known as dago-Deiwios in early Celtic times which translates to mean "good sky" which later he became know as Daghdha. Daghdha is the great father figure in Irish mythology, he goes by many names. Daghadha was the leader of the Tutha Dé Danann and provided for them. He is know for his physical strength and abilities, as well as magical powers, and wisdom. Daghadha was known for his many famous alter egos and many thought the sun was one of his eyes, meaning he could see everything. There are many different stories and ideas about the Daghdha from various groups like the Tutha Dé Danann. Another common meaning for the Daghadha is "good god", this is not in the term of good versus evil but in the context of "technical precision". Daghadha rule lasted 80-years until he died in battle against the Formorians, from a javelin to the heart.

Heros


Lugh/ Lug/ Lugus
== ] ==
Lug is a god as well as a hero and warrior figure in Irish mythology. Often you will see "sobriquet Lámhfhada" meaning long armed. This does not refer to his physical appearance but rather to the long rage weapons he uses. One of the common weapons of choice for him was a javelin. Lug was known as Samhildánach, which means one who possesses all the arts. It is said Julius Cezar gave him this name when he declared Lug must be worshiped for his invention of all arts. Lug goes by many other names, some are believed to have come form the Latin word lux while other think it comes form the Celtic word lugio of which translates to the work oath. There are still celebrations for Lug, they have a festival in August called "Celebration of Lughnasa" in his honor.
I redirected the article Gaelic mythology here. It was created by ] based completely from the information found here, with a few . &laquo;&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]<sup>/<sub>]</sub>&raquo; 16:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Goddesses
] 06:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)eog1916
Dear Keith,


Goddesses are often referred to as other worldly ladies in Irish mythology. Goddesses are often correlated with the land, especially rivers. Many of these goddesses are connected to sacred rivers that flow throughout Ireland. Tales of many kings is influenced by his relationship with the goddess of the land, they all are very connected with one another. There is a common theme of intimacy between a king and his land, often referred to as kingdom in Irish mythology. Often a result of the kingdom being viewed as a 'divine woman'.
Thanks for the comments.
The English version of Misplaced Pages is rather too ethnocentric for a world audience. I think that it is important that we refrain from using terminology that is politically or otherwise loaded. Many other language groups resort to using the English version as the template for their own versions and it is surely important that we divest ourselves of as mush of our anglophilic/phobic thoughts whilst composing articles!
Celtic or Gaelic Mythology and not Irish Mythology would be a much better heading for these articles.
I spend most of my time on other language versions of Misplaced Pages ( mainly the gaelic version) and am not that well versed in the editorial end...please forgive me.


Mother goddesses
:] is a wider subject, including the mythologies of the British and continental Celtic-speaking peoples. Gaelic mythology is perhaps arguable, but apart from some Fenian ballads it is overwhelmingly Irish, i.e. originating in Ireland, written in Ireland in the ], and set in Ireland. --] 11:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Brighid was originally a Celtic goddess and then the mythical lady of the Tutha Dé Danann. Her name was originally Brigit meaning the exalted one.
::I should point out that I know nothing about Irish/Gaelic mythology or mythology in general. I created the redirect for no other reason than ] was just copied from here. The page contained nothing to merit an article of it's own. &laquo;&nbsp;''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]<sup>/<sub>]</sub>&raquo; 13:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Danu was known as the river goddess
I always thought that the Celts were the people who came to anf from Ireland over to Scotland and Gaelic was the language they spoke (and speak still today in different form). Can someone elaborate for me please?


Mór-Ríoghain/ Morrígu
::: The current title is rather awkward. Irish mythology should refer to the mythology of Ireland, which would include Gaelic mythology, but also any myths by any non-Gaelic Irish people - English has been in Ireland for 8 centuries and Dublin, Ireland's current capital, hasn't been Gaelic speaking for over a millenium. In practice, "Irish mythology" is being used to mean "Gaelic mythology", which is blatantly Hibernocentric. It is undeniable that most Gaelic mythology is Irish, in respect of geographical focus and manuscript preservation. Yet, as Scotland is not in Ireland, surely Gaelic mythology is best for preserving NPOV? It's funny because before the growth of Irish nationalist romanticism in the 19th century, most people in Europe identified Gaelic mythology with Scotland (e.g. MacPherson's ''Ossian''). I speak as a Scotsman, and therefore accussable of bias. '''] ('']'')''' 11:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


Mór-Ríoghain was early on known as the mother goddess and her name meant the 'great queen' though her original name was Morrígu meaning 'phantom queen'. She is often portrayed as a war goddess
::::Was not Ossain a make-up by MacPherson? He claimed he secretly collected that mythology somewhere in the highlands. The problem was that no one else in Scotland ever heard of these "mythology" stories. MacPherson never gave the "source" of his writings, so he never defended himself against Dr Johnson, and was totally discredited, though some die-hards still try to spin the myth. About 75% of Ireland was Irish-speaking until about 1850. Why would Scotland want to appropriate Irish mythology? ] 02:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Children of Lir

I've changed the Tragedy of the Children of Lir from one of the "greatest" Irish stories to one of the best known, partly because it's a value judgement and therefore not NPOV, but also because, as an Irish mythology buff, I think it's one of the worst. Personal taste and all that. --Nicknack009 08:39, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Irish Mythology

Gods

They all decent from a common father known as Daghadha.

Dagda/ Daghadha/ Devos The gods all decent from a common father, this gods name was Devos. Devos was known as dago-Deiwios in early Celtic times which translates to mean "good sky" which later he became know as Daghdha. Daghdha is the great father figure in Irish mythology, he goes by many names. Daghadha was the leader of the Tutha Dé Danann and provided for them. He is know for his physical strength and abilities, as well as magical powers, and wisdom. Daghadha was known for his many famous alter egos and many thought the sun was one of his eyes, meaning he could see everything. There are many different stories and ideas about the Daghdha from various groups like the Tutha Dé Danann. Another common meaning for the Daghadha is "good god", this is not in the term of good versus evil but in the context of "technical precision". Daghadha rule lasted 80-years until he died in battle against the Formorians, from a javelin to the heart.

Heros

Lugh/ Lug/ Lugus Lug is a god as well as a hero and warrior figure in Irish mythology. Often you will see "sobriquet Lámhfhada" meaning long armed. This does not refer to his physical appearance but rather to the long rage weapons he uses. One of the common weapons of choice for him was a javelin. Lug was known as Samhildánach, which means one who possesses all the arts. It is said Julius Cezar gave him this name when he declared Lug must be worshiped for his invention of all arts. Lug goes by many other names, some are believed to have come form the Latin word lux while other think it comes form the Celtic word lugio of which translates to the work oath. There are still celebrations for Lug, they have a festival in August called "Celebration of Lughnasa" in his honor.

Goddesses

Goddesses are often referred to as other worldly ladies in Irish mythology. Goddesses are often correlated with the land, especially rivers. Many of these goddesses are connected to sacred rivers that flow throughout Ireland. Tales of many kings is influenced by his relationship with the goddess of the land, they all are very connected with one another. There is a common theme of intimacy between a king and his land, often referred to as kingdom in Irish mythology. Often a result of the kingdom being viewed as a 'divine woman'.

Mother goddesses

Brighid was originally a Celtic goddess and then the mythical lady of the Tutha Dé Danann. Her name was originally Brigit meaning the exalted one.

Danu was known as the river goddess

Mór-Ríoghain/ Morrígu

Mór-Ríoghain was early on known as the mother goddess and her name meant the 'great queen' though her original name was Morrígu meaning 'phantom queen'. She is often portrayed as a war goddess

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