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COI edit requests

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Hi! I'm a COI editor for Yahoo Finance, here with some edit requests for this article:

• Move this article to Yahoo Finance (removing the exclamation point from the title) per WP:COMMONNAME and the vast majority of media coverage, including the coverage currently cited in the article and the majority of the coverage – particularly more recent coverage – cited below.
• In the infobox, update "Type of site" from "News & entertainment" to "News and finance".
• In the infobox, update "Key people" parameter from

Joanna Lambert, General Manager (2018–present)

to

Tapan Bhat (President and General Manager)

• Update

It provides financial news, data and commentary including stock quotes, press releases, financial reports, and original content.

to

It provides financial news, data, and commentary, including stock quotes, press releases, financial reports, original content, and the "Morning Brief" email newsletter.

• Update

It also offers some online tools for personal finance management.

to

It also offers online tools for personal finance management, including portfolio tracking, interactive charts, and stock screening.

• Delete

It is ranked 20th by SimilarWeb on the list of largest news and media websites.

I think the Comscore ranking and traffic overview immediately below is more relevant here; "news and media websites" is an unhelpfully broad category, and from what I gather, Comscore is more of the industry standard ranking than Similarweb.

• Add to end of first paragraph:

Comscore ranked Yahoo Finance as the number 1 most popular financial news and research site in 2008, a ranking it has continued to maintain as of May 2024. As of April 2024, the site had approximately 150 million monthly active users.

• Update

Yahoo! Finance video content has been made available via connected TVs and devices, including Apple TV, Samsung TV Plus, Roku, and YouTube.

to

Yahoo Finance video programs have been made available via connected TVs and devices, including Apple TV, Samsung TV Plus, YouTube, Amazon Freevee, and DirecTV.

• Add to end of lead:

The organization also produces multiple podcasts. A Yahoo Finance mobile app, originally launched in 2011, is available on various platforms, including iOS and Android. Yahoo Finance data is also integrated into the Stocks app built into iOS.

• Add "History" section:

PC Meter ranked Yahoo Finance as the number 1 financial source on the web in 1997. The site began providing information on insurance plan options the following year through a partnership with InsWeb. In 2001, Yahoo Finance launched a subscription service providing access to real-time stock quotes, compared to the quotes on the free service provided on a 20-minute delay. The site stopped using ticker information from Reuters in favor of direct feeds from major U.S. exchanges in 2005. A 2006 redesign introduced interactive charts to the site, and it began offering free real-time stock quotes in 2008. In 2012, Yahoo Finance began a content-sharing partnership with CNBC, following a similar partnership with ABC News the previous year. Another redesign in 2013 added more personalization features to the site, with news and data tailored to a user's portfolio and browsing history.

Yahoo Finance began providing live video content in 2017 and expanded its video offerings in 2018. Apollo Global Management acquired Yahoo in 2021, stating an aim to grow the Yahoo Finance business. In August 2023, Yahoo acquired CommonStock, a San Francisco-based social platform for retail investors to share insights based on their linked brokerage accounts. The site introduced a redesign in November 2023. That same month, the company hosted the Yahoo Finance Invest conference, featuring Meredith Whitney and Jeff Zucker, among others.

• Add "Recognition" section:

The Yahoo Finance app was a Webby Award honoree in 2017, and Yahoo Finance was an honoree in 2022. In 2023 and 2024, the New York Press Club gave Yahoo Finance awards for journalism.

Thank you for your time! Mary Gaulke (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: It seems to me that a large amount of the material you are seeking to add is basically a list (by proxy) of the features of the website. I do not really see that the features of the website have any encyclopaedic value. Similarly, the history of the development of the website has no encyclopaedic value. The purpose of those additions would appear to be promotional. Misplaced Pages is not a place for conflict of interest editors to list the features, bells and whistles of the thing that they have a conflict in relation to, or to detail where and how it can be accessed, etc.

I would suggest that you go back to the drawing board and come up with a new set of proposals that do not appear to be promotional. Axad12 (talk) 16:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12: Thanks for the feedback! I look to WP:RS coverage for a sense of what's encyclopedic/notable about a topic. If I may ask for a little more guidance: Do you have any thoughts on which sources aren't suitable here or how much you would want to see cut from these requests? Thanks again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 14:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Mary, looking back at your original request the continual references to developments on the website all seem to me to be promotional. Looking at the rest of of the request it seems a great deal of the material is also basically promotional in intent. Given that there is no place on Misplaced Pages for any kind of promotion, all of that material would need to be cut, which would leave very little left.

The issue is with the obvious intent and the tone of the material. I see that you have abundant experience of this kind of PR work, so please do not play games regarding "how much would want to see cut?".

With regard to the sourcing, to be honest I haven't checked it because the content of the text was so obviously inappropriate. WP:RS is quite clear on issues like independent sources etc and, once again, you obviously have abundant experience of applying those rules to know what is and is not acceptable. If the sourcing is a load of non independent fluff, non-specific passing references, or material installed in tame client media, then you are wasting your own time as well as mine, but you know that already.

Your post directly above appears to have been worded with the intent of establishing how much promotion you can get away with. The answer is none, none at all. Axad12 (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12: Thank you for your reply. If you don't mind clarifying: do you consider changes like removing the exclamation mark from the title and correcting the name of the business's manager fundamentally promotional? I would assume not, but please let me know if I'm missing something. I know added content is always more of a subjective judgment call (which is why I use RS coverage to get a sense of what's due to mention), which is why I was seeking any concrete guidance when revising. Regardless of whether you get a chance to reply again, I sincerely appreciate your time; I know the edit request backlog is a bear right now. Thanks again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 05:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say that the entire edit was promotional, I said that if the promotional elements were removed there would be very little left.

If you genuinely appreciate the time of volunteers, I would suggest that you stop asking questions based on straw man arguments.

If what you want to do is to introduce entirely straightforward factual changes to the article then it would be better if you simply made an edit request along those sort of lines, rather than making a frankly ridiculous edit request containing a vast amount of blatantly promotional material. Following up such a request with a pointless attempt at "how much can I get away with?" only serves to alienate the very people whose cooperation you require. Axad12 (talk) 05:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12 I think this is an unfair and somewhat bitey characterization of the question. It seemed to me to be a genuine request to identify how to revise the edit to meet your standards, and saying that it's obvious in the tone and intent instead of being more specific isn't constructive. (For instance, I think I have a somewhat different line here than you, so it isn't even necessarily obvious to someone with a lot more on-wiki experience and no COI). Rusalkii (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I stand by my response above, which I think was a proportionate response to the COI editor's post.

If you'd like to pick the bones out of how much of the original request was non-promotional then please go ahead and make whatever edits you feel comfortable with.

I had already unsubscribed from this thread and was only bought here by your ping. I don't intend to have any further interaction with this COI editor either here or elsewhere. There are more than enough issues to deal with on Misplaced Pages without having to put up with being baited with straw man arguments by a COI user who is being paid to do so.

More generally speaking, the editor was obviously trying to install highly promotional material in the article, and is experienced enough to know that that wasn't going to fly. Axad12 (talk) 04:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

revised edit request

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi again. As noted above, I'm a COI editor for Yahoo Finance. Breaking down/revising my edit requests for this article per the above feedback.

• Move this article to Yahoo Finance (removing the exclamation point from the title) per WP:COMMONNAME and the vast majority of media coverage, including the coverage currently cited in the article and the majority of more recent coverage, e.g.

 Doing... Hmm. Unfortunately this one is kind of hard to search because everything turns up articles by the company instead of about them, normally I'd want to grab a few random ones to confirm against your sources. It does seem to be sufficiently overwhelmingly the primary name in everything recent I see, I've opened a move request. Feel free to close this edit request if/when the move request goes through Rusalkii (talk) 04:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• In the infobox, update "Type of site" from "News & entertainment" to "News and finance".

 Done Rusalkii (talk) 03:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• In the infobox, update "Key people" parameter from

Joanna Lambert, General Manager (2018–present)

to

Tapan Bhat (President and General Manager)

 Done Rusalkii (talk) 03:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. Mary Gaulke (talk) 00:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The move has been contested. Feel free to reply there directly, just make it clear that you're a COI editor. Rusalkii (talk) 19:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Note: I noticed this request isn't marked as done. Given that it is just waiting on a move request to close, I marked it as done. If you disagree, feel free to reopen it by changing answered=yes to answered=no at the top of the section. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 12:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 21 August 2024

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Yahoo! Finance → Yahoo Finance – Common name among all recent sources, see talk - COI edit request for MaryGaulke Rusalkii (talk) 04:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). SilverLocust 💬 03:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

For the entire history of the Yahoo! company, reporters have often neglected the exclamation point so that version is not necessarily the "common name" but is instead carelessness. The Yahoo! Finance page uses the exclamation point prominently, and the parent company obviously uses it in all visual promotions. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Copied from WP:RM/TR. SilverLocust 💬 03:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom based on WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:TM. There is not an exception to disregard usage in independent sources as purported "carelessness" because they drop stylizations (much as Misplaced Pages prefers to do). Nor is the title policy based on style in logos/primary sources. SilverLocust 💬 03:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'd prefer we continue to err on the side of the Consistency naming criterion (The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles) and keep the title with exclamation point consistent with the current titles of the main Yahoo! article and the company's other websites (Yahoo! News, Yahoo! Search, Yahoo! Sports, Yahoo! Tech, Yahoo! Mail). If there is a mass page move RM proposal to rename all the Yahoo! articles, I might reconsider (the last failed RM proposing to remove the exclamation point from the main article was back in 2017). Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Changing the title would disrupt the consistency we have with other Yahoo! articles. Waqar💬 14:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Unless this is an exception due to common usage with this topic I'd argue it should match the others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Yahoo! which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

revised edit requests, pt. 2

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi! COI editor for Yahoo Finance here again. Thank you for your help so far! Here's my next set of revised edit requests:

• Remove the ! from "Yahoo! Finance" throughout the article, per the new article name.
• Remove "| editor = Andrew Serwer" from the infobox; Serwer is no longer with Yahoo Finance.
• Update

It also offers some online tools for personal finance management.

to

It also offers online tools for personal finance management, including portfolio tracking, interactive charts, and stock screening.

I think it's valuable to provide context on what's meant by "online tools". Please let me know if these sources are insufficient.

• Delete

It is ranked 20th by SimilarWeb on the list of largest news and media websites.

As I noted above, I think the Comscore ranking and traffic overview immediately below are more relevant here. "News and media websites" is an unhelpfully broad category, and from what I gather, Comscore is more of the industry standard ranking than Similarweb.

• Add to end of first paragraph:

Comscore ranked Yahoo Finance as the number 1 most popular financial news and research site in 2008, a ranking it has continued to maintain as of May 2024. As of April 2024, the site had approximately 150 million monthly active users.

• Update

Yahoo! Finance video content has been made available via connected TVs and devices, including Apple TV, Samsung TV Plus, Roku, and YouTube.

to

Yahoo Finance video programs have been made available via connected TVs and devices, including Apple TV, Samsung TV Plus, YouTube, Amazon Freevee, and DirecTV.

Adding sources and ensuring the information is accurate.

• Add to end of lead:

The organization also produces multiple podcasts. A Yahoo Finance mobile app, originally launched in 2011, is available on various platforms, including iOS and Android. Yahoo Finance data is also integrated into the Stocks app built into iOS.

Again, I believe this information is notable based on the context and RS coverage, but welcome any feedback.

I appreciate your time + help. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 15:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done I've removed Serwer from the infobox. Also removed the exclamation marks from the article now that the article title has been altered. However, the rest of the requested edits are a reheated version of material that was turned down in another recent COI edit request on the grounds that it was promotional in intent. Axad12 (talk) 09:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12: Hi! Thanks for your help. If you're willing to provide any more specific feedback, I'd love clarity on why you believe the SimilarWeb ranking is preferable to the Comscore one, and why you believe it's preferable to retain the outdated/inaccurate list of video platforms. Thanks again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 12:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not that I prefer one to another, it's that info like rankings, numbers of viewers and lists of places where material is available are, per se, promotional. It is exactly the sort of material that one would expect to see in an advert, I'm not sure I can make it any clearer than that.

To be honest I think you've had abundant opportunity to try to improve this article in a way that is encyclopaedic rather than promotional. It looks as though I shall probably have to remove the promotional elements that you are trying to update in the current article.

Surely there is legitimate encyclopaedic information about this company that you could be putting forward to expand on this exceptionally short article. The fact that you have made no attempt to do so shows very clearly that the requests are promotional in intent.

A completely disproportionate amount of volunteer time is being wasted fielding these promotional edit requests. Axad12 (talk) 13:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

With that understanding, I am confused why the SimilarWeb ranking and current video platforms are included in the article at all. Is the idea that, because that information was added by other editors, it is not promotional in intent, even though it's similar content to what I'm proposing (just outdated)?

I am genuinely striving to represent the independent media coverage of Yahoo Finance throughout its history in my requests, but it sounds like you consider adding the history of the site, information about its functions, statistics on its impact on the web, and major moments of industry recognition to all be promotional in intent, regardless of the sources provided. I regret that you find this a waste of time, but I've been a Wikipedian for 10 years and can't say I've ever encountered this specific feedback, which is why I've been looking for some kind of concrete learning I can take into my future work. Thank you again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I think my previous responses have been perfectly clear and consistent on this. As I've said before, given your experience I've no doubt that you're well aware that the material was promotional in intent. You are now engaging in sealioning for pay, which is not something that I intend to put up with.

The requests have been declined. As I said a month and a half ago, there isn't going to be an ongoing discussion on how much promotion you can get away with because The answer is none. Axad12 (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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