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== Postage stamp refs == |
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A new editor, ], added a section in July about commemorative stamps. The user then posted bare urls directly into the Refs section of the article. I have removed these and placed them here, so that they can eventually be properly included. |
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It appears from their talk page that this editor has made similar edits to many other articles in their brief career here, and retired from Misplaced Pages after their behaviour was raised at . |
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279. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/178779-Karl_Marx_1818-1883_philosopher-Karl_Marx-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 1305C, Stamp Number HU 1042, Yvert et Tellier HU 1079A. |
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280. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/176915-Karl_Marx_1818-1893_politician-Personalities-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 2068A, Stamp Number HU 1583, Yvert et Tellier HU 1680, AFA number HU 2024. |
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281. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8663-India/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:IN 950, Sn:IN 1017, Yt:IN 761, Sg:IN 1084. |
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282. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/2650-Russia/year/2018/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Col:RU 2018-18 and Col:RU 2018-18KB (Mini-sheet). |
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283. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8150-Vietnam/year/1983/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1367, Sn:VN 1317, Yt:VN 462 and Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1368, Yt:VN 463. |
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== House in Trier, Germany, where Marx spent his childhood and youth == |
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== House in Trier, Germany, where Marx spent his childhood and youth == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022 == |
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Moses Mordecai Levi, otherwise known as Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818-March 14, 1883) was a German-Jewish philosopher, economist, historian, revolutionary, and journalist from Trier, Germany. ] (]) 12:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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I request that the fact the Karl Marx and Engles were both racist should be added. I have provided a link to the personal letters between Marx and Engles where you can clearly see they use of racist words. Here is a quote from Marx "The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation." |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <br />— ]<sup></nowiki>]]</nowiki>]]</sup> ⋮ 13:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I am not finding any reliable sources on this. The only ones I found were articles using his Jewish identity to attack him. Here is one very biased article that mentions Moses mordecai Levi https://www.news24.com/news24/karl-marx-and-his-hateful-dream-of-atheism-20120913 |
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https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1862/letters/62_07_30a.htm ] (]) 18:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:There is also a random reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/karlmarx/comments/riufhh/was_karl_marx_his_birth_name/ |
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:The only potentially legitimate source I found is where it says his paternal grandfather's name was Mordechai Levi |
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:Yes, like more or less all of his contemporaries, Marx used racist language - shocking by the standards of our time. He lived in a place and time when this was the norm. That is indisputable. What Misplaced Pages needs though is discussion of this in secondary reliable sources, placing it in context, rather than primary-sourced quotations. ] (]) 19:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:All the other sources are baseless conspiracy theories connecting him to the Rothschilds. |
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:Please present reliable sources before starting a topic on talk pages. ] (]) 21:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Critiques of Marx as a person. == |
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::By the way, Marx had a Jewish background and was nicknamed "Moor".--] (]) 19:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Little to nothing about the personal character or contradictions of Marx as a human being. Seems one sided. Not looking for character assassination but a more balanced view. ] (]) 21:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Please remove FRSA postnominal == |
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:Any suggestions on what to add? Please elaborate a bit more ] (]) 21:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The FRSA postnominal should be removed from the lede and infobox. Marx could not have had this postnominal in his lifetime as the organisation only got the Royal title in 1908. (]). Moreover, FRSA is not an honour but represents a membership that is open to a wide range of people by paying a subscription. Related discussion ]. ] (]) 13:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:I agree. Also, he is not known for being a member of the society, and it gives a false impression of who he was (e.g., that he was a Royalist).--] (]) 15:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::Removed.--] (]) 18:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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I undid this removal of the FRSA postnominal. Consensus was not achieved at ]--] (]) 12:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:The MOS policy does not mandate inclusion of the FRSA postnomial, so it could be removed if there is consensus among editors on this page to do so. I will not remove it myself as the change has already been reverted. ] (]) 08:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== Did Marx's parents convert to escape persecution, as many Jews did, or did they sincerely practice Christianity? == |
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== "Influenced" parameter == |
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Isn't the "influenced" parameter in the Infobox an oversimplification? Not all the people he influenced identify themselves as Marxists. Perhaps a description like in ] is more accurate ] (]) 06:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Asking here because this is not mentioned at all in the article and I'm wondering if it's applicable ] (]) 12:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sismondi == |
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:Marx's family were not very religious Jews. After they converted, they were not very religious Christians either. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 12:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Why is Sismondi lumped in with the English political economists as an influence? ] (]) 04:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Heinrich Michael in Karl Marx and the Birth of Modern Society goes in detail why Heinrich Marx converted in chapter Karl's Marx Parents. Basically Heinrich converted so he could keep he's job as a lawyer. ] (]) 18:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
Location of the house
The former home of Karl Marx in Simeonstraße 8 (then Simeongasse 1040) looks rather unremarkable at the beginning of Trier's shopping promenade close to the famous Porta Nigra. Only a few minutes walk leads visitors to the bronze statue of Karl Marx by Wu Weishan – a present from the People's Republic of China to Trier.
Moses Mordecai Levi, otherwise known as Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818-March 14, 1883) was a German-Jewish philosopher, economist, historian, revolutionary, and journalist from Trier, Germany. Prism Steno Book (talk) 12:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Little to nothing about the personal character or contradictions of Marx as a human being. Seems one sided. Not looking for character assassination but a more balanced view. Redonefifty (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)