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	First line: "Marilyn Monroe murdered Elvis Presley in his home. She slept with him, and soon found out he was married, so she killed himm while having sex in the bathroom."
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	:Yeesh. Vandalism is bad enough, but this isn't even remotely funny or intelligent. --AWF
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	Guys, there is a major paradox in her early life. It says that she was sent to orphangages in LA when the Goddard's moved east and that she was sexually abused at the orphanages. Then it says she was with the Goddard's at the time she met James Dougherty (check out ], it says the same). So which was it? Did she meet James so she wouldn't have to go to the orphanages, or was she already in the orphanages? ] 15:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
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	*''], American actress, singer, sex symbol, had at least one sexual experience with another woman, as quoted from tapes to her psycologist that have since been released to the public.''
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	I removed this from the ] 15:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC) lesbian or bisexual people]] because of a criteria on that article which requires that anyone listed there must have a reference to sexual orientation on their biography page. One reason is so that editors familiar with the subject can evaluate the claim. Is the tape considered a reliable source? Should this be added here too? -] 08:13, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
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	:Speaking of Tapes, there are copy of tapes available and all the legal docs from the clerk of courts on Barbara Monroe, the woman who has legal and federal documents providing a large amount of information proving her blood line. It's rummorred that she also has a tape recording of the actual social security call, along with phone records, and documentation mailed to her from them in post marked packaging. Does anyone know where I can actually get my hands on this stuff, short of going county to county.
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	: i was just thinking about how i read in the atlantic magazine a few months ago about that. yes, it's a reliable source and i think it should be included. ] 23:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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	I have just polished the language style up to (not including) the death to try and make it slightly more encyclopedia-like rather than biographical. I hope it's a little bit of an improvement. ] 01:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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	''On February 4, 1961, she was admitted by her then-psychiatrist into Manhattan's Payne-Whitney Clinic, reportedly placed in the ward for the most seriously disturbed. He got her out six days later, and took her to the Payne Whitney Psychiatric Clinic at New York Presbyterian Hospital''
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	==Easy way to shorten this article==
	Could someone move the whole Quotations section into Wikiquote to shorten this article? ] 21:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
	: If it hasn't already been done by the time I reach it during my gradual copyedit of the article, I'll do so.<br>
	: Best wishes,  ] 06:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

	==RFK==

	There is not a single credentialed historian that I have seen -- critical or supportive -- who believes MM and RFK had an affair. There are critical and supportive historians who refute this, pointing to J.E. Hoover's desire to have dirt on RFK and the fact that the younger Kennedy was morally clean. This in fact was a major frustration for JEH.

	:Who are you? When did you write this? ] 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

	==The DiMaggio Wedding==
	*Did you know that Monroe married Joe DiMaggio on my 2nd birthday? -] 08:41, January 2, 2006 (UTC)

	*When told about team-mate ]'s intention to marry Marilyn Monroe, the legendary ] ] ] supposedly remarked, "I don't know if it's good for baseball, but it sure beats the hell out of rooming with ]". From "The Boxing Register, A Who's Who of Sports Champions" by Tom Weir. ] 20:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

	==Her mockery==
	She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and he drives expensive cars and has a huge expensive house that God paid for and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.

	After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
	"I don't need YOUR Jesus"

	A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

	:Correction. A week later, she was found dead in her ''house''.
	:So, I'm confused. Does this mean she was killed by God. The same one that paid for Billy Graham's house?] 01:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


	== Laurel Awards ==
	Is it really necessary to include the rather insignificant Laurel Award rankings in the "Awards and Nominations" section? Practically every A-list star got a Laurel nod back then. Their inclusion only makes the list heavier and more blurry. --] 15:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
	:Since nobody seems to oppose, I'm going to erase the Laurel Awards.--] 06:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Name ==

	In the first sentence, the article states she was born Norma Jeane Mortensen, and then in the next sentence, states that she was born Norma Jeane Baker. Further in the article, it mentions some disagreement between her family about what to name her. I don't know which should be left, so if anyone knows please correct. ]

	: Done it. Her legal name was Mortensen. Sometimes the name shown on a baptism certificate is different from the legal name, and that's what happened here. But baptism certificates are church documents, not legal documents. They do not have the effect of changing the person's legal name. ] 22:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

	Further in the article it states that she legally changed her name to Marilyn Monroe. Why is her birth name shown first?
	:This article follows the manual of style for biogrpahies. Birth name should appear first in the article, followed closely by the name which the subject is commonly known. Thanks. ] 03:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
	If so, then why won't the article about Freddie Mercury (and million others) follow this rule?
	And in case of Marlyn Monroe it's not the name she's known as, it's her LEGAL name.
	It's extremely politically incorrect and offensive to the person to treat his or her birth name as the main name if that person has legally changed it to something new. Northern 23:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

	Well, Since nobody seems to reply I'm changing it to Marilyn Monroe since that was her legal name at the time of her death.
	:Just because another article doesn't follow the rule, does not mean it's correct. A more appropriate course of action would be to actually consult the ] for biographies. The consensus of many editors formed the conventions described there, and Misplaced Pages articles should heed those guidelines. I've reverted your edits and made changes to more closely match ] (using the Boris Karloff example). I've also removed her from the category "People known by pseudonyms". In the future, I would suggest that you don't assume that because other editors do not act in line with your own schedule that it gives you an open door to make whatever changes you wish - as other editors might mistake it for ] pushing or ]. ] 03:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

	First calm down. I need no suggestions from random people on the Internet.<br />
	I have never seen anything like that in any manual. If it's a PSEUDONYM, then yes but IT WAS HER LEGAL NAME. She has legally changed her name. If Joe Jonson has changed his name to Mike Miller than you can't refer to him as Joe Jonson because it's no longer his name. You can of course mention that it was his birth name but he is NO longer Joe and you can't call him this way. <br />
	If it's a nickname, then yeah. If it's a name a person picked just as a stage name such as Eminem or Gorkiy (a Russian writer), then of course it's just a pseudonym. But things are different if one has legally changed his/her name.
	I'll talk to moderators about it. What YOU'RE doing might as well be viewed as vandalism.<br />
	P.S I think this sentence is the one that confused you:
	"For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the birth name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym." <br />
	If one legally changes his/her name, then the new name is not a pseudonym. It's a legal name. It's not covered by the manual<br />
	Oh, and yes I do have the right to change anything I want. I'm not vandalizing but contributing. I found something that looked like a mistake to me. How else am I, as a Wikipedian, supposed to react?<br />
	Ohh another P.S: read carefully the manual: <br />
	In some cases, subjects have changed their names at some point after birth. In these cases the birth name should be given as well: <br />
	William Jefferson Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III on August 19, 1946) … <br />
	Northern 09:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

	So, you won't stop reversing, ah? Ok.
	:It looks like someone else did, so it appears your interpretation is up for debate. Also, drop the hostile tone and ] when dealing with other editors. Putting in a vandalism complaint in ] after barely discussng your edits and imposing time limits on replies is ''extremely'' poor ] on your part. ] 15:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

	Sorry, but I felt that you were being hostile as well. Happens a lot on Misplaced Pages <br />Northern 21:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
	::Hardly an excuse. And if you felt I was hostile - why put in a ''vandalism'' complaint? That makes no sense. ] 03:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

	::Hmm, I first reverted the article from Marilyn Monroe to Norma Jeane Mortenson. The feedback I got was furious. (See my personal talk page.)

	::And now that I'm doing the exact opposite, I'm once again doing it wrong?

	::Come now, people - make up your mind. --] 21:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
	:::Partly my fault. I assumed that Marilyn Monroe was a pseudonym (as this article was in the ] category). Northern is correct in this instance, if as he claims, Marilyn Monroe legally changed her name in 1956 - I've tagged that aspect of article with a ] tag, as really it should be sourced. ] 03:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

	Keep it Marilyn Monroe. The manual is clear about it. Northern 21:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
	:The manual is also clear about the fact that one should always, I repeat: always -
	:sign their comments.--] 00:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

	Bah. How exactly is that related to this talk or article? (Not that I don't sign mine) Northern 03:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
	:It's got everything to do with the article. Since you've obviously read the manual, you
	:should know. Now where's the signature?--] 09:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

	== death ==

	do you know that she commtitted suicide, but then as she felt hewrslef going under, she made a telephone call to someone because she changed her mind, but he didnt come, and instead call her psychiatrist, who then call the housekeeper to check on her. At about 3 am in the morining, she was found dead with her hand on the phone. the point is that she decided to commit suicide by taking and overdose of sleeping pills, but chnaged her mind and called a few people, who i forgot what their names were, but no one came and it was too late.

	she was going through many bad things that time, and she had recently been fired, and she was aging... It is just very sad, because all those people who took her as an empty headed blonde, and all those people who tried to replace her.. she showed them.

	When interviewed, all the women said that if they knew she was going to die, they would never have made any comments about her.
	she was also upset because she wanted children very badly, but she had many miscarriages.

	:I don't think the cause her death has been verified yet; no one's exactly sure. Remember to sign you posts, please. ] 02:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

	== a person who died just like monroe ==

	DOROTHY DANDRIDGE. research her and read her biography on wikipedia
	marilyn monroe did not die because of suicide it was proven in her autopsy (before it "disappared") that no pills were taken it showed in the documents that were saved from the autopsy that a yellowish lining wasnt in her stomach as it should've been if she overdosed on the pills they say she did(or any other medications)the autospy didn't get finished to find much of anu thing else. The only thing that was found out of the ordinary before the autopsy was stolen was that her colon was discolored... So dont ever say she died from an overdose of pills I've read way to many books and met way to many people for you to put her down like that, yes she was depressed at that time but she DIDN'T DO THAT she had been murdered (it wasnt an accident either) she had been moved and placed back on her bed ( when they found her, (yes her hand was on the phone) but she was also found laying straight" as a stick" (if you will)so you give me more evidence that she commited suicide and i'll look at it from your point of view.


	I also don't believe that Marylin Monroe might not have died from a drug overdose, but it IS possible. Nobody knows for sure and nobody will EVER find out. Its one of the saddest mysteries.

	== "Most famous" ==

	Is she the most famous? She has been called that... but I think we could use to temper the language... (not sure for how many versions it has been that way...) ] ] 18:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
	:What method should we use? "Marilyn Monroe has been cited as one of the most famous actresses of the twentieth-century"? —] \| ] 19:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
	::It really is a matter of opinion, whichever way you look at it. I fixed the sentence a little, now it simply states she's one of the most famous.--] 16:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
	:::Ok, somebody keeps reverting the sentences back so that she's called "the most famous" and "the most bankable" star of all-time. These superlatives are clearly POV and there's absolutely no evidence to back up the "most bankable" claim. I'm not fixing them anymore because I don't want a war, but don't you think the expressions are rather unencyclopedic?--] 15:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::They are completely unencyclopedic, completely inappropriate and inaccurate. I've reverted. For one thing she never became "the most bankable" - see the Quigley poll, regarded as one of the most credible barometers of an actor's success - and you'll see Monroe never topped the list of top 10 bankable stars although she made the top 10 in 1953, 1954 and 1958.. Not all of her films were profitable, although many of them were. Much of Monroe's fame and certainly a large part of her iconic status have developed in the years since her death. This page is like many that become the domain of overzealous fans who should carefully read ] and ]. ] 21:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::They have a point, though. She's almost always referred to as the most famous... ] 02:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

	== Crypt picture ==

	]]] I uploaded a picture of the crypt where Marylin Monroe is buried. I linked to it from the ] article, but not sure if it should show up in htis article. Maybe if a few more words are added here about where she is buried. ] (]) 03:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

	==Comedic skills & witty lines==
	An observation from the few Monroe films I've seen - she seemed to have a consistent style of wit and brilliant delivery, from as early as '']'' - but I'm wondering who wrote the lines? Did she have any input? Or did she get typecast, with writers continuing to write the same kinds of parts to play, and the same style of witty dialogue? I'm also thinking of her comment about her playboy shoot - "It's not true that I had nothing on. I had the radio on," which I had assumed she came up with herself, though I don't know. Anyone know more about this? --] 14:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

	Surely you jest? smile. You asked who wrote the lines... Well, writers do. Snappy wit and wise-cracks was common in Hollywood long before Marilyn - take a look at some "pre-codes", "Stage Door," or the euphemisms in a Busby Berkeley movie like "Footlight Parade". A writer might tailor a part for someone, and after Marilyn had achieved a certain level of acclaim they would have tailored a part for her, but the credit generally goes to great writers like Mankiewicz and Wilder. Look at a great movie like "A Letter to Three Wives", "Midnight," "The Apartment" - movies which Marilyn was not involved with. The dialogue is sparkling. ] 22:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

	:It's usually the writers...but sometimes it's the actors who put their own touch on a movie with their own on-the-moment lines. ] 02:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

	== Superfluous links ==

	Do the words "mental hospital", "modelling agency" and other generic nouns really need to be linked? This article is in need of more serious quality control than this, but taking out the links to non-encyclopedaic articles would at least be a start.

	:Please remember to sign your posts, please. ] 02:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

	== DAUGHTER?? ==

	Did Mariyln Monroe have a daughter or not??? Can someone please add something here??

	I dont think she had a daughter... they would've revealed themself by now if she did...

	No, Marilyn never had a child. She had one ectopic pregnancy that had to be ended to save her life, and at least two other miscarriages. This is because she suffered the disease ], which greatly affected her life. This disease would explain her fatigue, the pain would explain her absences from work (as with any disease, endo often causes women to be unable to work), her addiction to painkillers, it could have added to her depression. It seems odd to me that it doesn't get commented on much by biographers when it clearly caused great devastation to her life. I believe she tried all the medical treatments at the time, including surgery, but none were successful. They barely understand the disease today so it must have been much worse in the 50s. ]

	== Cleaning ==
	I thoroughly edited the article. Hopefully it's a little less POV now. Let me know how I did and please don't hesitate working on it as well. --] 22:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

	== Possible vandalism? ==

	From the article: Talked a club owner into booking Ella Fitzgerald ;

	the url for is "http://www.findadeath.com/" which I'm guessing is vandalism. But I don't know the original url....

	:How is that vandalism? It's a legitimate URL.
	:P.S. Please sign your comments, thank you.--] 20:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

	::Coincidentally, I just happened to add the Ella reference (under Stardom), which cites Wikiquote. This is a well-known citation and should be non-controversial. If it's removed, I think we should call it vandalism. ] 03:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

	== Citation Tag Removed ==

	I removed the citation tag because I don't see the article to be in dire need of citations. Misplaced Pages policy is that citations are needed for '''controversial''' assertions. I didn't notice anything egregious in that respect. I suggest that, if others think citations are needed, it would be better, in accordance with Misplaced Pages guidelines, to use specific {{needs citation}} tags inside the article. Frankly, I think this article is ready for at least ] status. — ] 03:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

	== Last Will and Testament of Marilyn Monroe ==

	We wish to advise everyone that we (the Living Trust Network) have a copy of Marilyn Monroe's Last Will and Testament posted on our website, which we believe is of interest to anyone seeking information about the life of Marilyn Monroe. We have also discussed our desire to post a link to Marilyn Monroe's Last Will and Testament with Misplaced Pages administrators ]], either under "references" or "external links." . Misplaced Pages does not object to the link but has requested that we not put the link up ourselves since we are a commercial website. Instead, it has requested that we make it known that the Last Will and Testament is available, and anyone who wishes to add the link to the "reference" section or the "external links" section may do so. So, we solicite your help in adding the link set forth above. Thanks. ] 03:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

	: I've removed the link, because it was added by an anonymous IP adding multiple links to your site. You need to have a consensus here instead. ]] 05:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

	== First nude scene by a major actress? ==
	I'm sure that can't be true. What about ] in ]? This seems doubtful even if it is restricted to American films and actresses, though I don't have an example. ] 21:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

	Clarity, you're correct. Hedy Lamarr appeared nude in that film a few decades before Marilyn appeared in the buff. ] 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

	You are both ignoring the fact that Hedy Lamarr was not a major star at the time she appeared nude. Her appearance only came to light after she made it big - much as Monroe's nude calendar would be revived in 1953. The statement is correct - Monroe would have been the first major American star with a nude scene.

	==Marilyn Monroe's dress size ==

	Sigh, again, this article is perpetuating an inaccuracy. Why do people go back and forth on this issue? Today, a size 5 dress is not the same as it was in Marilyn's time. A five would be considered a medium, then, but would be considered a small size today: the actual measurements went up. According to Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm), which tracked down her measurements, Marilyn might have been a size 12, perhaps a size 10 by today's markers. They also point out, as this article does not, that Marilyn's weight cycled due to factors such as pregnancy, weight gain and loss. Leaving the "5" in without noting that sizes have gotten larger while the numbers have stayed the same is inaccurate. ] 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


	=="prior-made teeth cosmetic surgery"==
	There may be some unnecessary obfuscation in the sentence that reads "Hyde also arranged for her to have plastic surgery on her nose and chin, adding that to prior-made teeth cosmetic surgery." Would it be better to revise the latter bit to something like, "...her nose and chin. (Monroe had undergone cosmetic dentistry at a prior time.)"? ] 19:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

	== New Info on Monroe's Death? ==

	I came across this story quite accidentally. I've heard of this outlet but I can't judge it's credibility because I don't know much about it.

	Obviously, one story from an unproven (at least to me) outlet wouldn't seem to merit an edit of the article. However, the information shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, esp since it quotes the man who was LA's DA at the time of her death as calling for a re-opening of the investigation.

	URL: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52493

	I believe the following excerpt can be used under the Fair Use doctrine of US law...


	'''WND Exclusive BLONDE BOMBSHELL
	Stunning new revelations:
	Marilyn Monroe murdered
	June DiMaggio breaks long silence on details
	surrounding mysterious death of her friend
	Posted: October 18, 2006
	1:00 a.m. Eastern
	'''

	© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

	Marilyn Monroe was talking on the telephone to Louise DiMaggio when she was murdered and was able to utter the name of her attacker before her death, according to a new book by DiMaggio's niece and Monroe confidante June DiMaggio.

	In "Marilyn, Joe & Me," 44 years after the Hollywood superstar's mysterious death, which was ruled a suicide, June DiMaggio, friend of Marilyn and niece of New York Yankee Hall of Famer Joe DiMaggio, she discloses that her mother was speaking long distance with Marilyn Monroe when the actress was killed. DiMaggio says her mother overheard Monroe blurt out the name or names of her killer as they stormed into her bedroom. '''

	_______________________________________<br />


	== June DiMaggio is not who she claims she is! ==
	June "DiMaggio" never existed--her real name is June E. Elpine ...
	PR Inside (Pressemitteilung) - Wien,Austria
	Last year this woman came out of nowhere and claimed to have been Marilyn Monroe's friend for eleven years. Nobody had ever heard ...

	http://www.pr-inside.com/june-dimaggio-never-existed-her-real-name-is-june-e-elpine-she-never-met-marilyn-monroe-claims-r25776.htm
	<br />





	Should more evidence come forth, especially from more generally accepted sources (e.g. the AP or a reputable historian), then a re-write would have to be considered.

	Until then I leave this for the perusal of the interested.

	] 14:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


	== Opening Picture ==

	Come on you can do better. A picture of a bug-eyed Marilyn on the phone is not the right picture to start off the Wiki article on this cultural icon. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 01:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

	:Well, it has to be a public domain image, so that immediately limits the candidates. Have a look at and see what we currently have to work with. If you see anything you like then go ahead and change it, but it's a pretty sorry collection. Don't forget that you are a Misplaced Pages editor yourself, so you are a part of the "you" who "can do better". If you can find a really good public domain image to use, it would be welcome. ] 10:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


	So let me see if I understand this. I have the power to...."edit"... Misplaced Pages articles???? Well gosh darn I feel like like Newton under the apple tree!!

	Call me crazy but I just thought it might be some what presumptuous of me to start editing an article that has had some dedicated editors that have devoted some real time to this article. I just want to make this article better. But thank you for telling me I am a Misplaced Pages editor & I have the power to, "do better" all by my self.



	The black and white opening pic. the other day was one of the best on here. Whoever keeps changing it...can you please stop. Like the perons above said it is not the right picture to start her pge with.

	:I posted a new photo. It meets the guidelines. ] 15:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

	== Message for PainMan / for your consideration: ==


	Scott, I tried to email you many times, but the emails are bouncing back. Are you okay?! I am posting some very important information that hopefully will be added in the appropriate way by some caring Marilyn Monroe fan into the main page.
	I tried to add this before to the main page about Marilyn Monroe--but some vicious individual just erased it without a comment.
	The Monroe history has moved way beyond the ''photographers lawsuit''.
	Please edit and take whatever is appropriate for this forum and site. The biggest deal in Marilyn Monroe history right now is the '''fraud''' that is happening. If on eBay or live auctions; or through a fraudulent exhibit that almost took off to tour the world fro twelve years. Please work this piece of information into the main page.
	People need to be warned as well as informed and updated.
	I understand that this is a discussion board, so please, would anybody spend a moment to add this officially to the Aftermath section. Cause that is where it belongs. Happy Holidays and thank you.



	'''Mark Roesler named as one of the defendants in the Queen Mary exhibit class action lawsuit'''

	Mark Roesler is one of the three defendants that have been named in the class action lawsuit, which was filed on May 26, 2006, by plaintiffs Ernest W. Cunningham and Emily Sadjady, both Los Angeles, CA residents.

	The lawsuit was also filed against Robert W. Otto from Chicago, IL, and the Queen Mary corporation, which presented the now stopped 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit,' which opened its doors to the public at Mark Roesler's own office building in Indianapolis in December of 2004. The admission fee was $25.

	The lawsuit was filed in order to get the paying visitors their money back. The admission fee in Long Beach, CA was $22.95. The exhibit stayed for seven months and made an estimated $1.5 million in admission fees alone.

	While trying to be reached for several interviews in February, 2006; after the release of actor and Marilyn Monroe memorabilia collector Mark Bellinghaus' blog article, which also named Mark Roesler, the lawyer did never state anything in public about his involvement into the exhibition frauds in two different American cities and states.

	The majority of the Marilyn Monroe memorabilia on display, the items that were claimed to originate from the legend herself, were found to be fraudulent by Mark Bellinghaus, the world's leading Marilyn Monroe expert.

	The first item named in the lawsuit describes a plastic set of hair curlers made by Clairol. This item was produced in 1974. Marilyn Monroe died in 1962.

	The opening of 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit' was the media spectacle of the year. Every Los Angeles news station was present, everyone wanted to interview the leading people involved in this spectacle. To see and hear Robert Otto, Mark Roesler's partner in this exhibit, and June DiMaggio, who served as authenticity for over 90% of the fake items, watch the video option.

	The hair rollers originated, like most of the exhibtion fakes from a woman that appreared out of nowhere, as she never was mentioned in any literature about Marilyn Monroe, or Joe DiMaggio. June Alpino aka June 'DiMaggio' served as authenticity for the fake Otto collection. Due to her advanced age she was spared from being part of the lawsuit. She is 83 years of age, not 78, as she claims in her book. She was 19 years when her mother married Tom DiMaggio, not 14 as she wants the reader to believe. There is no indication or proof, that June Alpino was ever legally adopted. She named herself 'DiMaggio' in the mid 1950s.

	Mark Roesler is still standing behind June Alpino aka June 'DiMaggio's' book.

	He still can be seen on his website, talking in an interview to all of the main characters involved. The show is dated December 9, 2005. "Contest Rules" to win a free ticket for 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit'; Mark Roesler's owned CMG is also named in this listing.

	In an interview for the Los Angeles Times, Mr. Mark Roesler appraised the value of the now sued exhibition.

	He also insulted fans and collectors from around the world. People who would buy Marilyn Monroe items, that have been licensed by his own company, CMG Worldwide.

	The Washington Post portrayed former Marilyn Monroe estate lawyer Roger Richman and Mark Roesler in an interview from December 7, 2004.

	He insulted people who would buy Marilyn Monroe items, that have been licensed by his own company, CMG Worldwide.

	Mark Roesler also acted as one of the major sponsors of 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit.'

	In this interview, conducted by staff writer Robert W. Welkos, there is also evidence, that the Hollywood Museum rejected the Otto / Roesler exhibit in early 2005. Mr. Roesler didn't give up, after learning how many fakes were in Mr. Otto's collection. There were several claimed pairs of shoes of Marilyn Monroe, all of them in different shoe sizes. A claimed original USO card from Marilyn Monroe turned out to be a cheap photo copy.

	There were interviews shown on Mark Roesler's website which had Robert Otto showing parts of his collection and creating one story after the next, attached to each item. Mark Roesler would ask numerous times about the value of different items. Those interviews were pulled off www.markroesler.com, after Mark Bellinghaus published his first blog article on blogcritics.org. The Mark Roesler owned www.MarilynMonroe.com disconnected itself fast from ties to "Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit," as it was dedicating a large space on that website to the fraudulent exhibit. Marilyn authority Mark Bellinghaus exposed his findings in his second article which explained the ties between Mark Roesler and Robert Otto.

	For insurance purposes, the list of items was investigated right after the lawsuit was filed. The plastic hair curlers from 1974 were insured for $300,000.00. Collector Mark Bellinghaus bought the same model for $7.99 on eBay after the original was pulled from the running exhibit in March, 2006 and disappeared for good after being exposed in numerous Los Angeles publications.

	This item will be of high interest in the class action lawsuit which will take place on May 7, 2007 in Los Angeles, Ca.

	Anna Strasberg, the owner of the estate of Marilyn Monroe still has not stated anything in regards to the Marilyn Monroe exhibition fraud, but she most certainly received parts of the admission money.

	On April 10, 2006, a Wall Street Journal article, by staff writer Nathan Koppel mentions her as taking full charge of the estate of Marilyn Monroe.

	"Anna thinks about and handles" Ms. Monroe's image "from the moment she wakes up," says William Wegner, her attorney.

	In order to remove any doubts about the exhibit, The Los Angeles Times, unknowingly, delivered the strongest evidence against Mark Roesler. On March 23, 2006, Robert W. Welkos printed an appraisal statement of the lawyer, which is serving now as proof, that Mark Roesler lied in public and tried to bluff the fans and collectors:

	Mark Roesler, chairman and chief executive of CMG Worldwide Inc., the Indianapolis-based company that licenses the names and likenesses of 250 celebrities, including Monroe, said he remains absolutely convinced that Otto's collection is authentic and has appraised it as being worth $8.75 million. He said he's not at all surprised by the allegations of fraud.

	"You always have jealous fan club members and collectors who question such things," Roesler said. "It goes with the territory."

	The last try to get away with the fraudulent exhibit was a 'facelift' of the months old exhibition in Long Beach. Almost all of the exposed items were replaced with items that were not on display at exhibit opening. But it was too late and the extention of the exhibit was the 'last breath' of 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit.'

	On his Misplaced Pages page Mark Roesler is being portrayed as representing 400 personalities, but in The Los Angeles Times interview, which is still the most recent interview, he is stating 250 celebrities. A difference of 150 clients?

	Roesler is asking on his website for donations for his own Legends Museum, which is located in his office building in Indianapolis, IN, which hosted the opening for the fraudulent Marilyn Monroe exhibit.

	On his website www.MarkRoesler.com, the star lawyer is currently playing a video from a speech, that he has given on May 31, 2005,five months after the opening of 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit,' at Mark Roesler's CMG building in Indianapolis, IN, and six month before the next and ultimately the final stop of the exhibit in Long Beach, CA.

	Mark Roesler has not come forward with any sort of statement or explanation in regards to the exhibition fraud which he fully supported with statements, interviews, personal appearances and even bringing in one of his famous clients. Legendary Playboy magazine publisher Hugh Hefner appeared on November 10, 2005, at the press opening for the biggest scam in exhibition history.

	If Mark Roesler's 'Marilyn Monroe--the exhibit' would not have been stopped, and instead had toured for the next twelve years, to over 39 cities worldwide as announced at exhibit's opening, it could have easily created $100 million.

	But more important than money, it would have created shame for the United States of America and it would have turned Marilyn Monroe into something that she never was or wanted to be--a joke!

	: Why on Earth does this ridiculously long, POV-plagued text keep appearing in the article? --] 04:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

			__TOC__
	It may be long, agree on that, but the links prove the importance. There are two lawsuits filed and in progress against the estate of Marilyn Monroe. But they are not mentioned at all on the main page. Why? Not important? Would you not agree that it might be important if Marilyn Monroe turns "public domain" in the near future, so anybody could use her image and print it on wherever, without being sued by lawyer Mark Roesler and state owner Anna Strasberg? To ], I suggest that you take it on and post it in the most Wiki friendly and correct way. That would be wonderful for all the new fans who might find Marilyn Monroe, but have no clue what is really going on right now in regards of the estate and the people who profit from those fans, when they go and buy a tacky MM purse for example. Thanks for your help!

			== Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2024 ==
	:With all due respect, whoever you are (please sign your comments in the future), it is not appropriate to make such major additions on Misplaced Pages articles before reaching consensus among other editors. Furthermore, while I sympathize with your honest and endearing fondness to this particular subject, I'd like to politely remind you that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a forum where you're allowed to state your opinion on this kind of subjects, no matter how right you may be. Please stop adding nonsense here, no-one here wants a war. Thanks and Happy Holidays!--] 08:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Marilyn Monroe\|answered=yes}}
	I can show you many parts of the Marilyn Monroe page that just took information from my blogs. So that is fine and cool and not plagiarism at all, since it was just "borrowed" right?
			In the early 1960s, rumors of a secret relationship between Hollywood icon Marilyn Monroe and President John F. Kennedy swirled behind the glamorous façade of the era. Their brief encounters were kept far from the public eye, but close friends and confidants hinted at a deep connection.
	You do not want a war? This country is still in war, I was attacked during my 13 months investigation. If you do not want to inform readers of your site about the ongoings, what is it good for anyhow.
	This is not my "opinion" it is simply fact. What has been going on in the Marilyn Monroe history is shocking and it needs to be pointed out!
	People helped themself and posted my findings and did not post the source for those findings. The source was my investigation and then my blogs.
	This is a discussion forum, or is it not? We can post--anybody is allowed to post here. Correct or not?
	I like to politely remind you that information is as important as prevention.
	Thanks and Happy Holidays to you to, and I wish you were correct, but it is not just "nonsense" I wish it was. ] 03:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

			One evening, after a discreet meeting in 1961, Kennedy surprised Monroe with a gift—an elegant black 1959 Mercedes-Benz 190SL. The car, with its pristine white interior, was a symbol of the President’s admiration for the actress. Marilyn was said to be thrilled by the luxurious gesture, a token of affection from one of the most powerful men in the world.
	:This is not a discussion forum, it is a page to discuss improvements to the Misplaced Pages article on Marilyn Monroe. Information you have gathered yourself is no use for the article, as it violates our rule against ]. I hope you will understand that repeatedly adding the info against consensus is likely to get you blocked. --] 06:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
	In the death and aftermath was a wrong number mentioned as the Christie's auction results. Instead of $12.3, They made $13.4 million. Please take a note of that.] 02:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

			However, as a lover of the spotlight and a fan of personalization, Marilyn had the car repainted white, reflecting her iconic sense of style. The car became one of her prized possessions, a secret memento of her connection with Kennedy. Sadly, their love affair remained hidden in the shadows, and after Marilyn’s untimely death in 1962, her half-sister, Berniece Baker Miracle, quietly inherited the 190SL.
	== Opening paragraph ==

			Berniece, living far from the Hollywood spotlight, chose to keep the car in her garage for the next 60 years, a private reminder of her famous sister and the enigmatic relationship she had with one of America's most beloved presidents.
	<i>Her career began in small roles, she gradually became known for her comedic skills and screen presence, going on to become one of the most popular movie stars of the 1950s.</i>

			Berniece passed away May 25, 2014 and the 190SL was sold to a private collector. ] (]) 15:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
	this sentence is grammatically incorrect with the first comma. it should either be a 'period' or replace with 'and.'
			:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> Also. Not done. No reliable sources provided. ] (]) 15:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
	the word 'As' could be used to begin the sentence, making it correct.
	thoughts?
	] 09:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

			== Thumbnail image ==
	== So I'm doing a speech on Marilyn Monroe... ==

			Hi. Upon close examination of the thumbnail image of this article, I've noticed that it is slightly grainy and is taken of Marilyn from a side angle. Furthermore, it has been the same for a long while. Could we consider changing it to a clearer image that presents a better view of Marilyn's face? Here are some potential candidates if you think this is a good idea.

			1. ]This is my personal favorite because 1) it is not grainy at all, 2) it is colorized, and 3) it presents a clear view of Marilyn's face from the front.
	I'm doing this speech on Marilyn Monroe
	and I have alot of information about her but,
	I think it lacks something. I wanted to know
	if any one on this site had any good dirt on
	Maryilyn - anything you wouldn't normally know
	or find easily. I wanted my speech to sound well
	researched but everything I have found about he
	seems to be the same on every site. If you have
	anything I would appreciate it. Thanks! -Nemi
	<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 14:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			2. ]An equally clear shot, though I think an editor on Commons was concerned about the copyright of the image. I could be wrong.
	==Protection's not working?==
	I logged off my account and tried to edit this article, and it let me! Isn't this article supposed to be protected by unregistered users? ] 21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
	:It was protected with an autoexpiration which has passed. I don't know if a non-admin can remove the tag. --] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

			3. ]This is a clear, very well-known photo, albeit not colorized.
	==Alleged Abortions==
	I had recently read in an online article that Marilyn Monroe has had several abortions including the child of President ] can anyone give more clarification on this subject and if it is true or not true?? ] 03:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

			4. ]Perhaps the most recent photo with a decently clear view of Marilyn's face, but not the highest quality...plus, her eyes are half-closed.
	==Dress Size?==
	What was Marilyn Monroe's UK dress size? I've read in magazines that it was a UK 14-16. Is this true? ] 17:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

			5. ]I like this photo, but it's not colorized.
	==Anna Nicole Smith...==
	Can somebody add to the article about how women like Madonna and Nicole Smith are/were inspired by her? I would do, but the page is semi-protected.
	I haven't read the whole thing, so maybe they're already there, but it's important. ] 17:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

			6. ]It's clear, but not colorized.
	== Very pink ==

			7. ]Clear, but not colorized.
	An alleged Monroe short porn movie featuring a wall-socket powered dildo(!) has just been uploaded to the web from FBI archives. Some say it is a fake, i.e. the girl in it is actually "Airline Hunter", a Playboy centrefold and B-class movie actress from 1954, instead of MM. Not that it matters any, MM was a highly talented, lovable icon, way above the current crop of Paris and Britney junk.

			8. ]This one is clear, but not colorized and doesn't seem to portray the Marilyn most people know.
	Anyhow, here is the footage:
	http://index.hu/img/assets/video/playere.swf?file=/cinematrix/marilyn <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 11:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			Thank you. Please let me know what you think! If there are any other images you think would be suitable, please include them. ] (]) 04:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
	== early years ==

			:Tagging some editors to receive feedback: @] @] @]@] @]@] @] @] @] @] @] @] ] (]) 23:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
	is there a way to clean up the 2nd paragraph? it starts with 'Her Mexican-born mother, Gladys Pearl Monroe (born in Piedras Negras, Mexico), had returned from Kentucky.' then it goes off topic. what is this sentence in relation to? was she born, to have her mother leave, and then return? i don't know much about miss monroe, but the early life seems to be non-linear.<br>] 07:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
			::The best options in my opinion are the first two proposals (with a preference for the latter) and Monroe 1953 publicity.jpg. ~ ] (]) 23:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
			::1, 2, and 5 seem like they work best to me. I personally prefer 5 most, but if I had to choose from one of the two colorized options, I would go for 2. Thanks for tagging me! <span style="font-family:Times New Roman">]·]·]</span> 05:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you for tagging me and discussing about the possible upcoming changes to the info-box image, I appreciate that. I would actually agree with you that I never liked the info-box image that much since I've discovered this article in 2022 and started editing the main article in April 2024. I've had a look at the revisions and the info-box image was used since the late 2010s. I would agree with @] that images 1, 2 and 5 suite the info-box image as the quality of the images are great. ] was briefly used as the info-box image in August 2024 and ] briefly used as the info-box image from May-July 2024 having a look at the main article's revision, but were changed without a discussion. Thanks. ''']''' (] • ]) 05:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Oh wow, thanks for tagging me! Yeah, I agree that I particularly like 1, 2 and 5, and if I had to choose from one of them, I'd choose 2. ] (]) 10:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
			*Second photo is beautiful in color, but a bit too sultry. I prefer the sixth, sultry ''and'' awake and very attractive. --] (]) 12:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Sultry not needed in the opening image. Monroe was an actress playing a multi-film character role that she created. This page is mainly about the actress, not the character. ] (]) 12:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
			*'''Keep as is and malformed section'''. There was no call for a change of image nor notices sent to Wikiprojects and other interested editors aside from those selectively pinged, surprisingly '''the present long-term image isn't even among the photos selected for consideration''', and the op is '''asking everyone to distractingly click back and forth to see the photos'''. The long-term image has received discussion before and been kept, and this discussion should be closed and, if an interest to go ahead is still there, consensus should probably first be sought for changing the image before an actual choice is made. ] (]) 12:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Oops! To use a ] expression: ''Diss wåss wördsh änd nå bälladss.'' Means: That's apt to shut us up.
			::But let's say a lot of us think the image could be a better one, showing her beauty and skill as an actress, without her boobs in that tight sweater. What constructive method would you suggest, Boss, re (quote you:) "consensus should probably first be sought for changing the image" besides recommending all these? --] (]) 12:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Hi! I apologize if my message was disruptive. I did not mean to cause any kind of inconvenience for anyone. I only wanted to see if anyone shared my desire to change the thumbnail image, and if so, if they like any of the photos I suggested. If we're not allowed to change it, I understand, but if we can, that'd be great. Thanks, ] (]) 02:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::Thanks. I'd suggest, if you believe a change is really needed, to create a full RfC by actually showing the images, labeling them (A to Z or something), and include the present image as one of the choices in the selection process. That would be a way to go about requesting an image change, with the images easily seen during the discussion. In other image-change discussion I remember that after a certain amount of time the choices are narrowed down after editors have had their say and ranked their choices. I'd probably "vote" for either the present image or the ''Photoplay'' cover (labeled 2 above) ] (]) 03:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2024 ==
	Also her father didn't emigrate from Norway. He was born in Vallejo, California. ] 06:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Marilyn Monroe\|answered=yes}}
	:More details with documentation on her early life, parents, ancestors . ] 00:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
			"The affair became increasingly serious after October 1955, when Monroe's divorce was finalized and Miler separated from Slattery so he could be with Monroe." - Change 'Miler' to 'Miller' ] (]) 11:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Many thanks ] (]) 15:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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In the early 1960s, rumors of a secret relationship between Hollywood icon Marilyn Monroe and President John F. Kennedy swirled behind the glamorous façade of the era. Their brief encounters were kept far from the public eye, but close friends and confidants hinted at a deep connection.

One evening, after a discreet meeting in 1961, Kennedy surprised Monroe with a gift—an elegant black 1959 Mercedes-Benz 190SL. The car, with its pristine white interior, was a symbol of the President’s admiration for the actress. Marilyn was said to be thrilled by the luxurious gesture, a token of affection from one of the most powerful men in the world.

However, as a lover of the spotlight and a fan of personalization, Marilyn had the car repainted white, reflecting her iconic sense of style. The car became one of her prized possessions, a secret memento of her connection with Kennedy. Sadly, their love affair remained hidden in the shadows, and after Marilyn’s untimely death in 1962, her half-sister, Berniece Baker Miracle, quietly inherited the 190SL.

Berniece, living far from the Hollywood spotlight, chose to keep the car in her garage for the next 60 years, a private reminder of her famous sister and the enigmatic relationship she had with one of America's most beloved presidents.

Berniece passed away May 25, 2014 and the 190SL was sold to a private collector. 75.82.190.83 (talk) 15:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also. Not done. No reliable sources provided. Shearonink (talk) 15:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thumbnail image

Hi. Upon close examination of the thumbnail image of this article, I've noticed that it is slightly grainy and is taken of Marilyn from a side angle. Furthermore, it has been the same for a long while. Could we consider changing it to a clearer image that presents a better view of Marilyn's face? Here are some potential candidates if you think this is a good idea.

1. File:Marilyn Monroe in How to Marry a Millionaire.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsThis is my personal favorite because 1) it is not grainy at all, 2) it is colorized, and 3) it presents a clear view of Marilyn's face from the front.

2. File:Marilyn Monroe, Photoplay 1953.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsAn equally clear shot, though I think an editor on Commons was concerned about the copyright of the image. I could be wrong.

3. File:Monroe in Niagara (1953 publicity photo).jpg - Wikimedia CommonsThis is a clear, very well-known photo, albeit not colorized.

4. File:Marilyn Monroe (1961).jpg - Wikimedia CommonsPerhaps the most recent photo with a decently clear view of Marilyn's face, but not the highest quality...plus, her eyes are half-closed.

5. File:Marilyn Monroe 1953 crop.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsI like this photo, but it's not colorized.

6. File:Monroe 1953 publicity.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsIt's clear, but not colorized.

7. File:Marilyn Monroe 1952.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsClear, but not colorized.

8. File:Portrait of young Marilyn Monroe, black and white.jpg - Wikimedia CommonsThis one is clear, but not colorized and doesn't seem to portray the Marilyn most people know.

Thank you. Please let me know what you think! If there are any other images you think would be suitable, please include them. CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 04:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Tagging some editors to receive feedback: @PEPSI697 @Rcarter555 @SergeWoodzing@EdgarCabreraFariña @Ian Rose@Omnis Scientia @ScarletViolet @Aramesh.aram @Nikkimaria @Eatingbugs @Juventiuscinna @IvanScrooge98 CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 23:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The best options in my opinion are the first two proposals (with a preference for the latter) and Monroe 1953 publicity.jpg. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 23:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

1, 2, and 5 seem like they work best to me. I personally prefer 5 most, but if I had to choose from one of the two colorized options, I would go for 2. Thanks for tagging me! AVL·JVVENTIŌ·CINNĀ 05:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for tagging me and discussing about the possible upcoming changes to the info-box image, I appreciate that. I would actually agree with you that I never liked the info-box image that much since I've discovered this article in 2022 and started editing the main article in April 2024. I've had a look at the revisions and the info-box image was used since the late 2010s. I would agree with @Juventiuscinna that images 1, 2 and 5 suite the info-box image as the quality of the images are great. File:Marilyn Monroe in How to Marry a Millionaire.jpg was briefly used as the info-box image in August 2024 and File:Marilyn Monroe, Photoplay 1953.jpg briefly used as the info-box image from May-July 2024 having a look at the main article's revision, but were changed without a discussion. Thanks. PEPSI697 (💬 • 📝) 05:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow, thanks for tagging me! Yeah, I agree that I particularly like 1, 2 and 5, and if I had to choose from one of them, I'd choose 2. EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 10:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Second photo is beautiful in color, but a bit too sultry. I prefer the sixth, sultry and awake and very attractive. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Sultry not needed in the opening image. Monroe was an actress playing a multi-film character role that she created. This page is mainly about the actress, not the character. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep as is and malformed section. There was no call for a change of image nor notices sent to Wikiprojects and other interested editors aside from those selectively pinged, surprisingly the present long-term image isn't even among the photos selected for consideration, and the op is asking everyone to distractingly click back and forth to see the photos. The long-term image has received discussion before and been kept, and this discussion should be closed and, if an interest to go ahead is still there, consensus should probably first be sought for changing the image before an actual choice is made. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oops! To use a Swenglish expression: Diss wåss wördsh änd nå bälladss. Means: That's apt to shut us up.

But let's say a lot of us think the image could be a better one, showing her beauty and skill as an actress, without her boobs in that tight sweater. What constructive method would you suggest, Boss, re (quote you:) "consensus should probably first be sought for changing the image" besides recommending all these? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I apologize if my message was disruptive. I did not mean to cause any kind of inconvenience for anyone. I only wanted to see if anyone shared my desire to change the thumbnail image, and if so, if they like any of the photos I suggested. If we're not allowed to change it, I understand, but if we can, that'd be great. Thanks, CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 02:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd suggest, if you believe a change is really needed, to create a full RfC by actually showing the images, labeling them (A to Z or something), and include the present image as one of the choices in the selection process. That would be a way to go about requesting an image change, with the images easily seen during the discussion. In other image-change discussion I remember that after a certain amount of time the choices are narrowed down after editors have had their say and ranked their choices. I'd probably "vote" for either the present image or the Photoplay cover (labeled 2 above) Randy Kryn (talk) 03:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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"The affair became increasingly serious after October 1955, when Monroe's divorce was finalized and Miler separated from Slattery so he could be with Monroe." - Change 'Miler' to 'Miller' Hanngm (talk) 11:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Done Many thanks The AP (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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