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== Re: Williams, suicide language and bludgeoning ==
== Please drop the stick ==


Kolya, as I hinted at my recent , I believe your recent conduct (and, especially the refusal to drop the stick) regarding ] has been subpar, to say the least. If this continues anymore, you will be blocked for disruptive behavior. Just stop. ] (]) 00:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Just to expand more on my comment from the Robin Williams talk page (as it deserves more expansion off that page), you should be very much cautioned that your behavior at the Williams page, as well as the discussion over at the "wheelchair-bound" language, as well as from at least one other debate I saw you at (]) fall well in the behavior of ], particularly as these have the tone of ]. Together, there's no direct action that can be taken from that that I can see, but this is considered disruptive to consensus building, and if there's long-term patterns of this, you may find others less hesitant to take that to AN/ANI. You can see the frustration in the wheelchair language debate from long-standing editors like EEng, for example. Be aware of how much you are participating in these discussions and if you are bringing new arguments. Keeping on repeating the same arguments, and repeating it over multiple threads is not helpful. That BLUDGEON page has really good advice for how to participate in discussions without excessively throwing your input into it. Please take this as advice from me, and not as any type of "warning" or the like towards admin action. --] (]) 19:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I understand how asking for a policy to be upheld is disruptive when the content of my inquiry was not addressed. I would suggest that the response from admins/arbs has led to the disruption. ] (]) 00:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
:I'm commenting here rather than Masem's page, because that's where the discussion is. Further to my comment , I wonder if ] you would consider striking your comment about "rewarding the bludgeoning behavior". We make edits in article space to improve the information we write to our readers, and making or not making them should never be influenced by your reaction to another editors behaviour. You've just made explicit that a reason for your reluctance to improve our content was that it "rewarded" someone you are in conflict. Indeed, several of your comments about editors potentially gaming the system, seem to show you are over concerned with the wiki politics and less so of our readers. You might want to consider that you've had that page watchlisted and have consistently blocked attempts by multiple editors to revise the language long before Kolya even stared editing Misplaced Pages. You cited ] above when you commented on ] but perhaps the ] section best describes your role on that page since Williams died. ] has advice I think for both of you.
:: I received your email but am not going to engage. You are welcome to email arbcom-en@wikimedia.org if you wish to take this any further (I would advice against it) since they are better equipped to handle non-public information. But any further ''on-wiki'' discussion of this will get you blocked. ] (]) 00:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
:As I noted somewhere else, the "righting great wrongs" guideline is ''not'' about language choices by editors in article space. It is about facts, that some editors believe to be true and the world needs to be told and corrected. You might think this is relevant to editors discussing word choices for social reasons but this is wrong. I get that it is handy to have some wiki shortcut that ''seems'' to condone a conservative approach to language change. It doesn't. The irony is that "righting great wrongs" is solved by citing reliable sources and the opinions of experts, and telling editors that their own personal opinions and original thoughts on the matter aren't important. And exactly the opposite is occurring wrt social language choices, where the most vocal and strident voices taking a conservative approach often base their argument entirely on personal opinion, dubious google searches and odd ideas of what Misplaced Pages tends to do. That guideline doesn't help the case at all. I mean, wrt facts, an editor arguing that several dictionaries are wrong or that we should ignore experts, would be laughed out of town. Yet Kolya has brought expert sources to the discussion and two dictionaries and gets told experts should be dismissed.
::@], I am a member of editor retention project who is sympathetic to your situation due to my own experience of being blocked in the past, and I would like to offer some support in bringing you back to edit if I can. I know you are unable to respond to this, but I hope the message will reach you and help you find hope in coming back. I could not help but notice that your block seemed somewhat well out of process from my perspective since the ] suggests that a or talk page notice ] should contain a link to the discussion if it is a Cban, but at least some kind of ] is due in at least one of these places, and there isn't even an entry about it to explain anything at ] or right either. I don't know hardly anything about arbcom processes, but I thought there was supposed to be some kind of discussions with motions and voting and all that jazz, which you were denied access to, and seems like a BS way of doing business if you ask me since you have no clue what to defend yourself against or any evidence whatsoever that an arbcom decision was even actually made. I'm also saddened by the fact that when I reviewed the related discussions, I found out that the only editor who was willing to give you the good faith benefit of the doubt was {{U|Sideswipe9th}} in that was quickly shut down by an admin who sadly had to make a bad faith mention about "shit-stirring" for no good reason. The only useful guidance or direction on policy in that situation was about how that was the wrong venue, and the rest was more or less accusation, and personal opinions about what might and might not occur or make for good law. A similar sad situation occurred in a ] where bad faith assumptions were made about you being "unbelievably disrespectful", and being personalized about you having an "unhealthy obsession" with a stern warning that, "you've been told to stop", but again without any guidance or direction on policy, and that discussion was also quickly shut down. In the closure at the which the admin freely admits is just their own personal bad faith opinion that you were just bringing the issue up to "create undue ruckus" is a very sad state of affairs indeed. I don't know what your history was with Flyer, but even if they were right about what they were thinking about your intentions, they handled it very poorly. My policy based advice to you would be to drop the stick because ] is a legitimate reason why a user might want to have one account "dead" and start editing fresh under a new account. You might argue over a technicality about whether a person is actually living or not, but ''technically'' the only requirements for a clean start are that you quit using your old account, and you don't have any current sanctions against you. Let the dead rest in peace. My advice for requesting an unblock would be to let them know that you were essentially failed by administration to be shown any meaningful policy based guidance to help you understand a good clear useful path to avoiding any disruption, and even if any guidance was offered it was drowned out by personalized accusations, but explain in your words how you have come to an understanding of the reason you were blocked, and why the disruption would stop period. Pro tip: focus way more on yourself than on how administration failed. I sincerely believe they dropped the ball on this, but they are not gonna wanna hear that shit for an unblock request. I hope maybe this will help your case. Good luck to you. ] (]) 04:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
:A final point about blugeon. There is an asymmetry here. Firstly ] explains "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it." While many folk might have responded to a request to reword the article with a "sure", instead they've had to overcome a machine that tells them such changes are not permitted because politics. Secondly, the text Kolya wanted changed was the current text and incumbency is a huge huge advantage. Objecting to change only requires two letters: "no". So those arguing for change will automatically have the harder job and are likely to write more. That doesn't mean Kolya doesn't need to watch out, but there are numerous edits on that talk page from both of you, back and forth. -- ]°] 12:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
::I do need to clear something up here right away. I'm not in any way suggesting Flyer is editing under a new account, but ''if'' the admins were right about what this editors intentions were or even ''if'' on the other hand this editor happens to be right about what they are claiming, then either way it follows that this editor would need a policy based explanation about why they should drop the stick. I think it is only fair to assume good faith on all sides as far as possible. ] (]) 04:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
::Kolya, another thing that might be very helpful for you to include in your unblock request is the fact that since the correction you did in fact actually get made after your block, this negates the need for you being blocked in the first place since you no longer have any need of bringing the issue up any more since it is now been made a moot point therefore no future disruption is needed to be prevented. ] (]) 06:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


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I would like to respond to your questions/comments last made in the section on your talk page I had opened under the heading I still hope we can learn something from our misunderstandings, but after perplexing action I feel it is necessary to maintain strict boundaries with you, so you are now banned from my talk page. You may respond to me on yours if you like.

I felt that our {{tq|main dispute is the interpretation of my statement "gender is based on gender roles"}}, and your accusations of gaslighting (#Disrupting editing link above) when I tried to clarify that I did not mean that gender was ''only'' based on gender roles. I did not intend to {{tq|reduce gender to gender roles}}. I don't know that we can constructively discuss this again until we discuss our dynamics. I will respond to your other comments.

*{{tq|My understanding is that you find my participation on certain Talk pages (including this one) combative, sometimes unreflective, and condescending in tone. I would guess that you feel that I sometimes construe your words uncharitably out of a (conscious or unconscious) drive to "win" an argument rather than to understand what you are saying. My sense is also that you believe I have an inappropriate confidence in what I believe that I know and in the judgements I make based on that knowledge. Please let me know what I got wrong just there, and what I left out.}}
*:Yes, I agree with those things, but I don't know whether you have an appropriate level of confidence in your knowledge of content, because you have often not provided evidence for your assertions. I do feel that you have an inappropriate level of confidence in how you view the conduct of others and yourself.
*:I feel like you have a pattern of making nonconstructive criticism which has the effect of stonewalling, intentionally or not. I feel like you tell people they are wrong without telling them what is right, and sometimes say what is wrong without responding to the intention behind a question or comment. We could discuss specific examples of these patterns if you would like to engage in the same self-criticism you've stated that you engage in regarding content. ] (]) 23:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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April 2023 block, background discussion
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Please drop the stick

Kolya, as I hinted at my recent closing statement at WP:AN, I believe your recent conduct (and, especially the refusal to drop the stick) regarding Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians has been subpar, to say the least. If this continues anymore, you will be blocked for disruptive behavior. Just stop. Abecedare (talk) 00:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand how asking for a policy to be upheld is disruptive when the content of my inquiry was not addressed. I would suggest that the response from admins/arbs has led to the disruption. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I received your email but am not going to engage. You are welcome to email arbcom-en@wikimedia.org if you wish to take this any further (I would advice against it) since they are better equipped to handle non-public information. But any further on-wiki discussion of this will get you blocked. Abecedare (talk) 00:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
@Kolya Butternut, I am a member of editor retention project who is sympathetic to your situation due to my own experience of being blocked in the past, and I would like to offer some support in bringing you back to edit if I can. I know you are unable to respond to this, but I hope the message will reach you and help you find hope in coming back. I could not help but notice that your block seemed somewhat well out of process from my perspective since the block log policy suggests that a block log or talk page notice about your block should contain a link to the discussion if it is a Cban, but at least some kind of an explanation is due in at least one of these places, and there isn't even an entry about it to explain anything at WP:RESTRICT or right here either. I don't know hardly anything about arbcom processes, but I thought there was supposed to be some kind of discussions with motions and voting and all that jazz, which you were denied access to, and seems like a BS way of doing business if you ask me since you have no clue what to defend yourself against or any evidence whatsoever that an arbcom decision was even actually made. I'm also saddened by the fact that when I reviewed the related discussions, I found out that the only editor who was willing to give you the good faith benefit of the doubt was Sideswipe9th in this discussion that was quickly shut down by an admin who sadly had to make a bad faith mention about "shit-stirring" for no good reason. The only useful guidance or direction on policy in that situation was about how that was the wrong venue, and the rest was more or less accusation, and personal opinions about what might and might not occur or make for good law. A similar sad situation occurred in a subsequent discussion where bad faith assumptions were made about you being "unbelievably disrespectful", and being personalized about you having an "unhealthy obsession" with a stern warning that, "you've been told to stop", but again without any guidance or direction on policy, and that discussion was also quickly shut down. In the closure at the requested review which the admin freely admits is just their own personal bad faith opinion that you were just bringing the issue up to "create undue ruckus" is a very sad state of affairs indeed. I don't know what your history was with Flyer, but even if they were right about what they were thinking about your intentions, they handled it very poorly. My policy based advice to you would be to drop the stick because WP:Clean start is a legitimate reason why a user might want to have one account "dead" and start editing fresh under a new account. You might argue over a technicality about whether a person is actually living or not, but technically the only requirements for a clean start are that you quit using your old account, and you don't have any current sanctions against you. Let the dead rest in peace. My advice for requesting an unblock would be to let them know that you were essentially failed by administration to be shown any meaningful policy based guidance to help you understand a good clear useful path to avoiding any disruption, and even if any guidance was offered it was drowned out by personalized accusations, but explain in your words how you have come to an understanding of the reason you were blocked, and why the disruption would stop period. Pro tip: focus way more on yourself than on how administration failed. I sincerely believe they dropped the ball on this, but they are not gonna wanna hear that shit for an unblock request. I hope maybe this will help your case. Good luck to you. Huggums537 (talk) 04:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I do need to clear something up here right away. I'm not in any way suggesting Flyer is editing under a new account, but if the admins were right about what this editors intentions were or even if on the other hand this editor happens to be right about what they are claiming, then either way it follows that this editor would need a policy based explanation about why they should drop the stick. I think it is only fair to assume good faith on all sides as far as possible. Huggums537 (talk) 04:26, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Kolya, another thing that might be very helpful for you to include in your unblock request is the fact that since the correction you had been requesting did in fact actually get made after your block, this negates the need for you being blocked in the first place since you no longer have any need of bringing the issue up any more since it is now been made a moot point therefore no future disruption is needed to be prevented. Huggums537 (talk) 06:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

You have been indefinitely blocked by the Arbitration Committee.
If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should review the guide to appealing blocks, then appeal by emailing the Arbitration Committee (direct address: arbcom-en@wikimedia.org).


Administrators: This block may not be modified or lifted without the express prior written consent of the Arbitration Committee. Questions about this block should be directed to the Committee's mailing list. Guerillero 18:46, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut unblocked

Following a successful appeal to the Arbitration Committee, Kolya Butternut (talk · contribs) is unblocked subject to the following restriction indefinitely, which may be appealed after 12 months have elapsed:

Kolya Butternut may discuss no other editor's undisclosed personal details anywhere. This includes both onwiki as well as any other online location or other Wikimedia-associated offline location.

For the Arbitration Committee, Izno (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Kolya Butternut unblocked

Congrats!

Welcome back. Your recent thank for my edit alerted me that you got your editing privileges back. Sorry I haven't been in contact for such a long time. My own editing activities have been very limited due to me pursuing other passions in recent months. However, I do have a complaint about your restrictions that I intend to prepare for discussion at the link that has been provided by ARBCOM above for discussion about your unblock. The link was here: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Kolya Butternut unblocked if you or anyone else watching your page would like to participate. Huggums537 (talk) 15:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I totally forgot to make my complaint about your restrictions, but you have doing very well on them, and the time has now passed for you to be able to request they be lifted and your name be removed from the arbitration section on the WP:Editing restrictions page. I think you will have to make an ArbCom request to lift the restrictions, but see your listing on the linked page to be sure. Huggums 07:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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