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Bibliography

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• Gazetteer of Kashmir and Ladak, Calcutta: Superintendent of Government Printing, 1890 – via archive.org
• India. Census Commissioner (1912), Census of India, 1911, Superintendent of government printing, India – via archive.org
• Francke, Rev. A. H. (1907), A History of Western Tibet, S. W. Partridge & Co – via archive.org
• Aggarwal, Ravina (2004), Beyond Lines of Control: Performance and Politics on the Disputed Borders of Ladakh, India, Duke University Press, ISBN 0-8223-3414-3 – via archive.org

Proposal to redirect

This article ought be redirected to Aryan Valley which covers the same topic. Fwiw, we have standalone articles on Dah, Ladakh and Hanu, Ladakh. Thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 09:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

  I forgot to ping the AfD folks. @Kautilya3, Elinruby, and Minaro123: — fyi. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the two entities overlap but are not the same. Also, no good reason has been enunciated for a redirect. If a redirect is called for anywhere, it would be from Aryan Valley to Dha Hanu, it seems to me. Elinruby (talk) 11:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect Aryan Valley to this page, and broaden this page to cover all the four villages. That is the sense I see Shaw, 1978 having used the term. If some other explorers used the phrase differently it could be because Garkon and Darchik were in Baltistan in the 19th century. (I don't know exactly when the admin divisions got changed.) The "Aryan" content of the Aryan Valley page can probably be put into the Brokpa page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Apparently Purig/Kargil was made into a separate tehsil during the reign of Pratap Singh (r. 1885–1925). All the frontier regions were in a single district at this time. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

What do we write in the standalone articles on the four villages? We have too little material to fill up half-a-dozen pages! TrangaBellam (talk) 05:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

There is a certain amount of geographical information in Frederic Drew and R. B. Shaw. There are also war-time developments that can be covered. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

After some long search, I discovered that Darchik and Garkon had always been in the Kargil ilaqa (as also Chulichan and other villages on the left bank), but the entire Kargil ilaqa was associated with Skardu in the 19th century. Kargil was made a separate tehsil during 1908–1911. More interestingly, when Kargil became a tehsil, the Kharmang ilaqa immediately to the north of Kargil was also made part of this tehsil. It got removed only through the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948. (Aggarwal, Beyond Lines of Control 2004, pp. 199–200) (Census of India, 1911 1912, p. 52) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Francke, A History of Western Tibet (1907, pp. 48–49) states of the "ancient" history:

The villages of Da and Garkunu were ruled by magspons, or “dukes,” just as the Baltis were; but these villages have always been independent of Baltistan.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect to Aryan Valley for now as that's the more developed one. Whether the name of the page should be "Aryan Valley" or "Dah Hanu" can be discussed in a new discussion on that page and same goes for what content should be included or not. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 01:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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