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== Bulgarian propaganda? ==
== Disputed neutrality ==


Gurther, I see that you used a source that has nothing to do with what you claim to be written in the book. It is a question of courses for Serbian teachers in 1914 to which Bulgarian teachers were forced to go in the part of Macedonia occupied by Serbia after the Balkan Wars. Martulkov as Bulgarian teacher was disgusted by Serbian propaganda on these courses. This has nothing to do with 1935 and any fictional Bulgarian propaganda. ] (]) 12:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
I see that the sources used are mainly the writings of Yugoslav communists from half a century ago, which shows a lack of modern reading and is quite one-sided. The opinion of the Macedonian historian ] is that all left-wing Macedonian activists, former members of the ] as Rizov, never managed to get rid of their strong ] sentiments. He claims all left-wing Macedonian revolutionaries from the period until the early 1930s declared themselves as "Bulgarians" and he asserts that the political separatism of some Macedonian revolutionaties toward official Bulgarian policy was yet only political phenomenon without ethnic character. Katardzhiev claims also all the left-wing veterans remained only at the level of political, not of national separatism. Thus, they practically continued to feel themselves as Bulgarians, i.e. they didn't develop clear national separatist position even in Communist Yugoslavia after WWII. For more: Академик Катарџиев, Иван. Верувам во националниот имунитет на македонецот, интервју за списание "Форум", 22 jули 2000, број 329.] (]) 07:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
:] please view ], just because of the title you cannot assume its not reliable, Chris Kostovs book about Macedonian immigrants in Canada has also been used by you for citing non-Canada related subjects which suggest hypocrisy, also the book mentions him, the quote thats attached to the source is from said page. ] (]) 15:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

:This article needs to be rewritten, it is full of factological and chronological errors, which push the POV to one side obviously. --] (]) 08:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC) ::], if you have no further objections I'll be re-adding the source. ] (]) 09:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
::: ], on the page you mentioned, mandatory Serbian courses for Bulgarian teachers in Macedonia are described. The text literally says in Bulgarian: За преподаватели са назначени най - отявлените великосръбски шовинисти , които доказват на учителите от Вардарска Македония , че са „стари сърби“ и че българската „ пропаганда “ ги е направила българи. Задушаваше ме тази атмосфера, пише Алексо Мартулков, който участва в споменатите курсове, но трябваше да ги търпя. Въпреки че над 200 български учители посещават специалните сръбски курсове в Белград , много малко от тях са назначени на сръбска служба . През 1914—1915 г. повечето от тези учители застават начело на революционната борба. i.e. in English: ''The most outspoken Great Serbian chauvinists have been appointed as teachers, who prove to the teachers from Vardar Macedonia that they are "old Serbs" and that Bulgarian "propaganda" has made them Bulgarians. I was suffocated by this atmosphere, writes Alexo Martulkov, who participated in the mentioned courses, but I had to endure them. Although over 200 Bulgarian teachers attended the special Serbian courses in Belgrade, very few of them were appointed to the Serbian service. In 1914-1915, most of these teachers were at the forefront of the revolutionary struggle.'' As you yourself you don't know Bulgarian very well, but when it was explained to you what was written by an user for whom this language is a native, as I am, you accused me that my translation was not correct, i.e. is my OR. Gurtner this is outright falsification of a source. I will have to report it to the admins if this continues. ] (]) 09:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
::Absolute nonsense: During his time in IMRO he worked at Veles and Kumanovo and helped in organizing and helping wounded soldiers during the llinden-Preobrazhenie Uprising... After the failure of the uprising he fled to Sofia to avoid being drafted by the Serbian authorities,
::::Alright then ], since never the less this source is important for his life story why don't we move it to the during the Balkan wars and WW1 or in his childhood section and phrase something similar to "during this time in Serbia he was forced to be declared as a Serb" or something similar like that, i also wanna mention the translation, i used an image app that helps translate text from images (since i couldn't copy and paste it for Google translate) thats how i got the translation. ] (]) 12:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
::The Ilinden-Preobrazhenie uprising is from 1903, and Serbian authorities were installed in the city in late 1912. {{Ping|Gurther}}, better work on improving these facts and do not push to NPOV. --] (]) 09:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
::::: Gurther, look above in the search engine: ВМРО (Обединена) - Страница 234 - ''Като българи се определят Ю. Анастасов, Хр. Калайджиев, Ал. Мартулков, Борис Михов, Петър Калчев (Калчев не е родом от Македония).'' As Bulgarians defined themselves Yu. Anastasov, Hr. Kalaidzhiev, Al. Martulkov, Boris Mihov, Petar Kalchev (Kalchev was not from Macedonia). . ] (]) 12:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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Bulgarian propaganda?

Gurther, I see that you used a source that has nothing to do with what you claim to be written in the book. It is a question of courses for Serbian teachers in 1914 to which Bulgarian teachers were forced to go in the part of Macedonia occupied by Serbia after the Balkan Wars. Martulkov as Bulgarian teacher was disgusted by Serbian propaganda on these courses. This has nothing to do with 1935 and any fictional Bulgarian propaganda. Jingiby (talk) 12:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Jingiby please view WP:OR, just because of the title you cannot assume its not reliable, Chris Kostovs book about Macedonian immigrants in Canada has also been used by you for citing non-Canada related subjects which suggest hypocrisy, also the book mentions him, the quote thats attached to the source is from said page. Gurther (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Jingiby, if you have no further objections I'll be re-adding the source. Gurther (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Gurther, on the page you mentioned, mandatory Serbian courses for Bulgarian teachers in Macedonia are described. The text literally says in Bulgarian: За преподаватели са назначени най - отявлените великосръбски шовинисти , които доказват на учителите от Вардарска Македония , че са „стари сърби“ и че българската „ пропаганда “ ги е направила българи. Задушаваше ме тази атмосфера, пише Алексо Мартулков, който участва в споменатите курсове, но трябваше да ги търпя. Въпреки че над 200 български учители посещават специалните сръбски курсове в Белград , много малко от тях са назначени на сръбска служба . През 1914—1915 г. повечето от тези учители застават начело на революционната борба. i.e. in English: The most outspoken Great Serbian chauvinists have been appointed as teachers, who prove to the teachers from Vardar Macedonia that they are "old Serbs" and that Bulgarian "propaganda" has made them Bulgarians. I was suffocated by this atmosphere, writes Alexo Martulkov, who participated in the mentioned courses, but I had to endure them. Although over 200 Bulgarian teachers attended the special Serbian courses in Belgrade, very few of them were appointed to the Serbian service. In 1914-1915, most of these teachers were at the forefront of the revolutionary struggle. As you yourself announced here, you don't know Bulgarian very well, but when it was explained to you what was written by an user for whom this language is a native, as I am, you accused me that my translation was not correct, i.e. is my OR. Gurtner this is outright falsification of a source. I will have to report it to the admins if this continues. Jingiby (talk) 09:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright then Jingiby, since never the less this source is important for his life story why don't we move it to the during the Balkan wars and WW1 or in his childhood section and phrase something similar to "during this time in Serbia he was forced to be declared as a Serb" or something similar like that, i also wanna mention the translation, i used an image app that helps translate text from images (since i couldn't copy and paste it for Google translate) thats how i got the translation. Gurther (talk) 12:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Gurther, look above in the search engine: ВМРО (Обединена) - Страница 234 - Като българи се определят Ю. Анастасов, Хр. Калайджиев, Ал. Мартулков, Борис Михов, Петър Калчев (Калчев не е родом от Македония). As Bulgarians defined themselves Yu. Anastasov, Hr. Kalaidzhiev, Al. Martulkov, Boris Mihov, Petar Kalchev (Kalchev was not from Macedonia). here. Jingiby (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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