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Should this article's Filmography section include the web series ''Battle for Dream Island''? ] (]) 19:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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There has been a prolonged debate about the validity of the wording {{tq|the ] said the seemingly innocuous phrase began being used online in 2017 as part of an ] trolling campaign and is associated with the ] movement}} versus {{tq|according to the ], a non-governmental organization, the phrase originated online in 2017 as part of an "] trolling campaign" and as such is associated with the ] movement}} to describe the phrase ''It's okay to be White'' in the context of this article. The debate, insofar as it has actually taken place, centers around whether wording such as "seemingly innocuous" to describe a political slogan should be written in Misplaced Pages's voice or attributed to its origin. |
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Should the desription in lead read as either; |
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<u>Option A</u> : "... the ] said the seemingly innocuous phrase began being used online in 2017 as part of an ] trolling campaign and is associated with the ] movement." |
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<u>Option B</u> : "... according to the ], <s>a non-governmental organization</s> <small>] (]) 20:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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I propose that the nationality examples be restored. I ask that we break the discussion into two parts: first support or oppose !votes for whether we should include any examples. Second, discussion to resolve the exact wording and presentation of the examples to be added. Accordingly, I've put the most recent version at the top of the subsection. ] (]) 12:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Gene Kelly was a multitalented performer, but there is some dispute as to how he should be referred to in the opening of the article. I believe the choices are these: |
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* '''A''' "actor, dancer, singer, filmmaker, and choreographer." This is the current formulation, |
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* '''B''' "dancer, actor, singer, filmmaker and choreographer." |
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The dispute is basically over whether to put "actor" or "dancer" first. I don't believe the order of the other two is at issue. ] (]) 14:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Should the first sentence in the lead be rewritten: (red to be removed; green to add) "Ronald Wilson Reagan (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004) was <del style="color: #8B0000;">an American politician and actor who served as</del> the 40th president of the United States<ins style="color: #008560;">, serving</ins> from 1981 to 1989"? ] (]) 17:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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There were a lot of edit wars. Should it say "Korean-Canadian", "Canadian and South Korean", "Canadian-born South Korean", or some other option? ] (]) 17:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Should the sentence below be included in the article (as it is now) under the subsection ''Lafayette Square protester removal and photo op''? |
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Yes or No ] (]) 19:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}} |
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{{talkquote|The chairman of the ], General ], later apologized for accompanying Trump on the walk and thereby "creat the perception of the military involved in domestic politics".<ref>{{Cite news|last=Lamothe|first=Dan|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/06/11/pentagons-top-general-apologizes-appearing-alongside-trump-lafayette-square/|title=Pentagon's top general apologizes for appearing alongside Trump in Lafayette Square|date=June 11, 2020|access-date=July 5, 2020|work=]}}</ref>}} |
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It's been three years since the ] in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a ] so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture ''or'' of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: {{ping|Chieharumachi}}, {{ping|Crisantom}}, {{ping|Object404}}, {{ping|Unilimited247}}, {{ping|Lochglasgowstrathyre}} ] (]) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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Anonymous user(s) using ] accounts are suppressing edits referring to . In the deletion discussion, the general agreement of other Misplaced Pages editors is that the ], and a reliable source has been cited. Rather than provoke an edit war against anonymous sympathisers (or Prof. Bart himself), I'd like direction on: |
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'''Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi'''{{Efn|{{langx|ar|عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي}}}} (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, ],<ref name="dictator"> |
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Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator: |
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# how to prevent anonymous users from repeatedly deleting the reference. |
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{{bulleted list|{{Cite news |title=Egypt’s rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous |url=https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/10/03/egypts-rushed-election-shows-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-is-nervous |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613 |quote="Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s military dictator..."}}|{{Cite web |last=Dunne |first=Michele |date=2019-04-08 |title=Why Is Trump Helping Egypt’s Dictator Entrench His Power? |url=https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/donald-trump-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-egypt-226579/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO Magazine |language=en}} |
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|{{Cite web |title=President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election {{!}} The Washington Institute |url=https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/president-trump-condemn-sham-egyptian-election |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=www.washingtoninstitute.org |language=en |quote="...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country"}} |
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|{{Cite news |title=A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-26/u-dot-s-dot-gives-egypts-dictator-a-blank-check?embedded-checkout=false |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=Bloomberg.com |language=en}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Toosi |first=Nahal |date=2021-07-12 |title=In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/egypt-spy-boss-jail-american-498983 |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO |language=en |quote="...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents."}}{{Cite web |last=Lawler |first=Dave |date=2019-04-23 |title=Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum |url=https://www.axios.com/2019/04/23/sisi-referendum-rule-egypt-2030-constitution |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Axios |language=en |quote="He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally."}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Greenwald |first=Glenn |date=2015-03-31 |title=Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime |url=https://theintercept.com/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=The Intercept |language=en-US}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Williams |first=Jennifer |date=2017-04-03 |title=Egypt’s president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he’s done a “fantastic job.” |url=https://www.vox.com/world/2017/4/3/15160358/trump-egypt-abdel-fattah-el-sisi-white-house |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Vox |language=en-US}}|{{Cite news |date=2020-12-01 |title=Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730 |access-date=2024-11-22 |work=BBC News |language=en-GB}}|{{Cite news |title=Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal |url=https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal |access-date=2024-11-25 |url-access=subscription|work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613|archive-url=https://archive.today/2021.08.26-144020/https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal|archive-date=2021-08-26|url-status=live}}|{{Citation |last=Grewal |first=Sharan |title=Egypt: A Coup against Democracy |date=2023-07-25 |work=Soldiers of Democracy? |pages=136–176 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/46755/chapter-abstract/414394851?redirectedFrom=fulltext |access-date=2024-11-25 |publisher=Oxford University PressOxford |doi=10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007 |isbn=0-19-287391-1}}|{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}}}</ref> and retired military officer who has been serving as the ] and current ] since 2014.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}</ref> |
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(The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place) |
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I do not know whether suppression constitutes ], and it doesn't fall into the libel category that would qualify for assistance on the ]. On the contrary, it's trying to suppress unflattering information about Prof. Bart. |
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Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected: |
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*'''A.''' Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''B.''' No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''C.''' No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead. |
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*'''D. ''' No he should not be, and he should '''not''' be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body. |
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Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" ] (]) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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There have been a lot of edit warring with the nationality in the lead. Should be listed as just American, Vietnamese-American, Vietnamese-born American, or some other option? The relevant facts are: He was born in (South) Vietnam in 1971, in 1979 he resettled with his family in America as refugees. He has lived in America ever since (though he has worked on several Hong Kong films in production roles). See ] for the relevant policy. I personally have no strong opinion, and just want to end the edit warring with a clear consensus one way or the other. <span style="color:green;">] (] • ])</span> 16:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Musk is the wealthiest person in the world. He has been described as an oligarch by prominent commentators, academics, and experts. |
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Taking into account the recent changes that have been made in this article, and that the awards-related statement has been removed from the end of the first paragraph of this article; I think it is necessary to implement a new statement in the lead section of the article in order to cover the information according to the new situation. |
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Should a variant of the following sentence be included in the lead? |
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Therefore, I consider that the appropriate location to add such a statement is the middle part of the fourth paragraph of the article, before the sentence "''His honors include 15 ]...''". |
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''Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch.</small> |
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Keeping in mind some suggestions previously expressed in this Talk page by users such as BD2412 and Apoxyomenus, and aiming for greater neutrality and accuracy for the article, I ask for your opinion: |
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Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per ].) |
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*'''A''' "According to some estimates, Jackson is claimed as the most awarded recording artist in pop music history" |
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*'''B''' "Some sources have deemed Jackson the most awarded musician in history" |
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*'''C''' "By some measures, Jackson was the most awarded musician in history" |
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*'''D''' "According to some sources, Jackson is considered the most awarded recording artist in history" |
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*'''X''' "Jackson is one of the most awarded music artists" |
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<small>The following options are statements that would be placed before the sentence "''Jackson's inductions include the ]...''" in the fourth paragraph of the lead section.</small> |
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*'''Z''' "By some estimations, he was the most awarded music artist in history" |
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*'''E''' "By some estimations, he is the most awarded music artist in history" |
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Finally, if anyone wishes to propose a different statement, suggestions are completely welcome. |
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At least as far as I've noticed, when including a place of birth in an article's infobox, it's the general practice on Misplaced Pages to use historical place names. Sometimes the modern-day country is included, as with ] or ]. With ] being featured on the main page, it came to my attention that many articles for people born in what's now ] (and possibly other states) do not adhere to this practice. It appears that, due to Estonia having been on the receiving end of ] for the last few hundred years and the idea of ], opinions on whether to list Estonia or ] as someone's place of birth often reflect the politics of the editors involved. |
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Personally, I think the de facto recognition of the Soviet administration by most paired with other factors like the ] make linking to the SSR articles the sensible thing to do. Additionally, I believe the articles on the Baltic SSRs do a sufficiently good job of addressing questions about their legitimacy. In any case, I think it would be helpful to solicit comments and see if we can maybe get some kind of consensus here. ] (]) 23:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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Should the following biographical microstubs, which were mass-created by Lugnuts and cover non-medalling Olympians who competed between 1896 and 1912, be moved out of article space? 08:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)}} |
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