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| == Current consensus == <!-- Must be on this page, not the subpage, to support mobile users --> | |||
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| == Biden believes he could have won re-election == | |||
| == Infobox political office parameters == | |||
| <s>{{ping|Synotia}}</s> the inclusion of his senate tenure has ''always '' been included in this article. I don't care much about the county council, but it's been there since at least , and I recall seeing it there in various times before. Furthermore, the closer of the RfC declaring that the infobox needs to be shortened wrote in the close: {{tq|keeping New Castle County Council would probably satisfy most or all participants.}} No, there is not a consensus in that RfC to remove either from the infobox, ''especially the senate one''; I skimmed through the RfC and not a single participant proposed removing the senate postion, only certain discrete committeships. Biden served in the senate for over 30 years (the majority of his political career). They both should be re-added to the infobox. ]<sup>]</sup> 15:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I think you pinged the wrong editor. It is {{u|Surtsicna}} who has removed the US Senate tenure from the infobox. Looking at ] and ], I see support for excluding the county council and committee chairmanships, but not for removing the senate tenure in full. – ] (]) 18:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::] is correct. I erred in removing the general senatorship information. ] (]) 18:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Muboshgu, thanks for letting me know I pinged the wrong editor. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| In December 2024, as was widely reported, Biden told aides he regretted his decision to withdraw from the race; believing he would have won the election as his party's nominee.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Massie |first=Graeme |date=December 29, 2024 |title=Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trump, says report |newspaper=] |url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-us-elections-2024-merrick-garland-b2671126.html |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Pager |first=Tyler |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Joe Biden’s lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy |newspaper=] |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/12/28/bidens-lonely-battle-to-sell-american-democracy/ |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Tait |first=Robert |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he’d have defeated Trump |newspaper=] |url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/joe-biden-regrets-dropping-out-re-election |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Calder |first=Rich |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could’ve beaten Trump: report |newspaper=] |url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/us-news/biden-regrets-leaving-presidential-race-thinks-he-would-beat-trump/ |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last=Stimson |first=Brie |date=December 28, 2024 |title=Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trump: report |publisher=] |url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-still-regrets-dropping-out-2024-presidential-race-believes-he-could-have-beaten-trump-report |access-date=December 29, 2024 }}</ref> | |||
| == Skin cancer == | |||
| This information is confirmed by multiple ] and is obviously relevant to his notability as a politician. ] (]) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Not a regular editor of this article, but should the info about his skin cancer be added into the article? ''']''' (]) 02:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:But is it actually relevant, (assuming its true). ] (]) 15:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| :: ''']''' (]) 03:50, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Eh seems pretty mundane. It was a minor, common, low-risk cancer that was treated without incident. Lean ] because it will have no significant effect on his legacy. We don’t have to catalogue every little health issue a head of state has. ] (]) 04:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::This appears to be ] ]<sup>]</sup> 05:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Here in Australia it would be rare for someone of Biden's age to have not had skin cancer. It's not major unless the news says so, and it hasn't. ] (]) 06:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Prose == | |||
| "Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act, which codified protections for same-sex marriage and repealed DOMA and the CHIPS and Science Act" it took visiting the CHIPS and Science Act page to realise that it was not among the repealed acts. This could be worded better. ] (]) 18:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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:"Anonymous Sources Said" is a red flag for ] articles. We're not a tabloid. ] (]) 22:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| ::{{re|DFlhb}} I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:12, 6 March 2023 | |||
| == Reality == | |||
| What - no observation that he was elected the the largest percentage of the eligible vote in history? He's the most popular presidential candidate ever, in all of US history. No discussion of that? He got 81 million votes, he was also elected defying the "Bellwether counties." This is an exceptionally notable president. Who could have guessed he could be elected? | |||
| :sources? ] (]) 13:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Oldest living President of the United States box??? == | |||
| == Voice file == | |||
| Aren't we pushing it too much, with trivia? Do we really need an Oldest living President of the United States succession box??? ] (]) 00:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I question the judgment call of including a voice file of Biden right after he caught COVID; COVID is well known to cause someone's voice to sound different, and to my ears, that's reflected in the audio file. | |||
| ⚫ | No objections? I've deleted it. ] (]) 20:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| There's a second related issue; Biden's speech patterns have changed quite significantly in recent years (due to normal aging; among other things, it's slower than it used to be), and I think a "representative" voice sample should ideally come from earlier years, for example 2012 (is that Biden-Ryan debate freely licensed?). The only point of a voice file is to illustrate a person's normal timbre, pitch, loudness, cadence, phonation, etc, and we must strive to be neutral and representative of the overall person; a voice recording at an advanced age is IMO not the point here, regardless of which period of his life is most notable. ] (]) 16:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :It would be best to include his voice as US president. But, not while he had covid. ] (]) 16:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't understand why we need a voice file for Biden. His voice is not of particular significance to his notability or public image. Not to the extent of Trump or Obama for example. Also, yea, an audio of file of when he had COVID would not be optimal. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't think we should adopt elaborate inclusion criteria for voices (and {{tq|significance to notability or public image}} is pretty fuzzy/subjective). It's unnecessary and will just lead to endless talk page arguments. AFAIK, the only criteria we apply for signatures is: if it's freely-licensed, add it. Since I guess we're now adding voices, they should be treated the same. ] (]) 22:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I just realized the extent in which we include these audio files. It's every president since they started recording stuff pretty much. I suppose there isn't standard for inclusion, just whether it's freely licensed. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :It's obviously subjective, but his voice sounds pretty normal to me in the Covid clip. I agree with GoodDay that if we have a voice clip, it should be from his Presidency. If you want to hear what Biden's voice sounds like when it's abnormal, you can watch from a time when he had a cold. —] (]) 01:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think it might be better if the voice file present was more representative of his presidency or a notable accomplishment. I have attatched an audio file titled: Joe Biden gives remarks on the Inflation Reduction Act.ogg | |||
| ::Here he gives his prepared remarks in regards to the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act (the date of the video is from July 28th 2022). I think this audio file might be a better fit for his profile as it is representative of one of his most significant policy accomplishments that is of a similar weight to the other U.S. presidents where they're either Announcing military actions (Trump, Obama, Clinton), or announcing policy advancements (Carter and Reagen). I think that this audio file doesn't have any real concerns about audio issues or his voice being abnormal due to sickness. As such, I think it might be a bit more appropriate for his profile. ] (]) 01:03, 1 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::We should have an audio clip from the ]. It's a pretty significant speech. ] (]) 18:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I agree, however, that speech is about 20 minutes long so it would likely be better off as a video clip established further down in the actual article itself then as the voice box ] (]) 19:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
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01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)
02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)
03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)
04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)
05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021
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06. In the lead sentence, use who is
as opposed to serving as
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current
as opposed to just 46th
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)
Biden believes he could have won re-election
In December 2024, as was widely reported, Biden told aides he regretted his decision to withdraw from the race; believing he would have won the election as his party's nominee.
This information is confirmed by multiple WP:RS and is obviously relevant to his notability as a politician. ZebulonMorn (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- But is it actually relevant, (assuming its true). Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Anonymous Sources Said" is a red flag for WP:BLP articles. We're not a tabloid. Zaathras (talk) 22:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- Massie, Graeme (December 29, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 race and believes he could have beaten Trump, says report". The Independent. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Pager, Tyler (December 28, 2024). "Joe Biden's lonely battle to sell his vision of American democracy". The Washington Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Tait, Robert (December 28, 2024). "Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he'd have defeated Trump". The Guardian. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Calder, Rich (December 28, 2024). "Biden regrets leaving presidential race, thinks he could've beaten Trump: report". New York Post. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Stimson, Brie (December 28, 2024). "Biden still regrets dropping out of 2024 presidential race, believes he could have beaten Trump: report". Fox News. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
Oldest living President of the United States box???
Aren't we pushing it too much, with trivia? Do we really need an Oldest living President of the United States succession box??? GoodDay (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
No objections? I've deleted it. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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