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	== '']'' ==

	I am surprised that ''Unfinished Tales'' is not even listed, let alone discussed. It is far more substantial than '']'' or '']'', and I see no reason to exclude it, but I don't know Tolkien research particularly well, so I may be missing something?--] (]) 21:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
	:: We basically have to go by what scholars write; and no text article can (or should) be exhaustive, but I've managed to work in a brief mention. ] (]) 07:29, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

	== Addition of unused David Day sources ==
	Ok, you put the header here. I'll ask straight out: What is your issue with ]? - <b>]</b> 11:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

	:There has been a sudden addition of wholly unused David Day book citations, across several articles in the past few minutes.

	:There are multiple good reasons why this is undesirable.

	:1) These articles are fully (and richly) cited already.

	:2) The existing sources are either to Tolkien himself (primary, for the facts about what he wrote) or to scholars and critics.

	:3) Much of Day's output just regurgitates Tolkien's statements in the narrative text, i.e. it adds nothing.

	:4) Other Day output includes his personal pet opinions, not substantiated by any of the (very large) amount of Tolkien scholarship. He is not and does not claim to be a scholar; but he is writing (when not just copying and illustrating Tolkien) on scholarly matters, that have been covered in great depth.

	:5) There is no value in adding unused books to these articles; they already contain a plentiful supply of better books and research articles which are used. In other words, these are not "sources" as nothing is sourced to them.

	:Therefore, it is undesirable to add such materials. ] (]) 11:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

	::An author does not need to be a "scholar" (however we are to define that) to be used as a reference.

	::Everything else that you note is essentially ] or ], so none of that holds any water outside of subjective opinion.

	::I'm not strongly tied to the additions, I just think the removal is more than a little heavy handed, and am really not as yet seeing a good reason for the removals. - <b>]</b> 11:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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