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| Something is wrong here. While the preview on ] looks fine (except that there are visible "<nowiki><citation></nowiki>" tags around the "retrieved" date), actually using the "cite this page" functionality (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:CiteThisPage?page=Example) leads to the '''"retrieved" date/datetime appearing on lines of its own''', which is probably not intended. (The two BibTeX entries even show broken <code><nowiki><pre></nowiki></code> formatting.) | |||
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| -- ] (]) 10:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| : I think that the usage of ] instead of the four spaces for formatting may solve the problem. --] · ] 13:51, 22 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
| |archive = MediaWiki talk:Citethispage-content/Archive %(counter)d | |||
| ::I fixed that, as it looks rather jarring. I'm not sure why the <nowiki><citation></nowiki> suddenly behaves like it does. There probably was a small change in the parser while they prepare to switch away from Tidy or something. I've filed a bug report. —] (] • ]) 19:14, 22 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == bibtex version - please add 'contributors' == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|answered=yes}} | |||
| The bibtex version of citation in ] is inconsistent with the other citation examples. I agree that (in this case), the minority is wrong. "Misplaced Pages" is not a ], and even if there were some effort made to define Misplaced Pages as a legal person, it's rock-solid Wikipedians' and WMF's legal interpretation that the copyright is that of the authors, i.e. Wikipedians. (WMF is not Misplaced Pages :).) | |||
| So in the two bibtex entries, please change | |||
| author = "Misplaced Pages", | |||
| to | |||
| author = "Misplaced Pages contributors", | |||
| or | |||
| author = {Misplaced Pages contributors}, | |||
| or | |||
| author = "{Misplaced Pages contributors}", | |||
| This should be uncontroversial, it seems to me. (I admit I haven't really checked what bibtex + LaTeX really prefer in terms of {} vs "" here... It's not the easiest thing to search for with a search engine.) | |||
| Regarding the existence of a space in the "family name", there are some authors of scientific articles whose "family name" (or main name) has two words separated by a space, e.g. ] would be ''<nowiki>author = "{{de Gaulle}, C.}"</nowiki>'' or ''<nowiki>author = "{{de~Gaulle}, C.}"</nowiki>'' (or ''Ch.'' from a phonetic point of view). | |||
| ] (]) 22:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> — Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 08:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ==Add authors?== | |||
| I've opened up a discussion at ] about citing the first few or the main authors. There's a tool under very recent development (it doesn't seem to be working well yet) mentioned in the discussion. The choice "Misplaced Pages contributors" responds to my immediate concern (Misplaced Pages is not the author of any Misplaced Pages pages - and ] is blocked :)), but I think the possibility of citing the first few or a few prominent authors - as self-identified - should be open to debate. So I'm not proposing any short-term change to the Special: page here. I'm just opening up the debate. (There would be a modest cpu cost to listing the first few authors; there would probably be a heavy cpu cost with the algorithm (javascript implementation) under development that estimates the most active contributors, and any alternative algorithm would presumably add either a cpu or a memory/caching load or both.) ] (]) 22:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == APA version - please add 'contributors' == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|answered=yes}} | |||
| There seem to be two errors in the APA example: | |||
| * The table ] quite clearly gives author attribution, even if it's a "group author", rather than no author attribution at all. But our script excludes the author. | |||
| * The APA style table also puts the title of the page after the year. I'm assuming that ] is correct, since the only "controversy" on ] during the last five years is a single comment to do with nonsexist language, which doesn't concern this discussion. But our script has year (and month day) ''after'' the page title. | |||
| So I propose replacing | |||
| <pre>{{FULLPAGENAME}}. ({{CURRENTYEAR}}, {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}). In ...</pre> | |||
| by | |||
| <pre>{{SITENAME}} contributors. ({{CURRENTYEAR}}, {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}). {{FULLPAGENAME}}. In ... </pre> | |||
| in the APA subsection. ] (]) 21:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> — Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 13:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
| == Incorrect bibtex produced: produces author name "contributors, W." == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Citethispage-content|answered=yes}} | |||
| Bibtex format interprets <pre>author = "Misplaced Pages contributors"</pre> as one author, with the first name "Misplaced Pages", and the last name "contributors". | |||
| '''Additional curly brackets''' help: <pre>author = "{{{SITENAME}} contributors}",</pre> as they tell bibtex that "Misplaced Pages contributors" is a single, inseparable, unit. ] (]) 14:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC) | |||
| Fixed BibTeX entry section (additional curly braces to prevent bibtex from mis-interpreting 'Misplaced Pages' as first name and 'contributors' as last name) - I cannot test if the horrible mediawiki syntax is corrrect with the additional braces: | |||
| <pre><nowiki> | |||
| === ] entry === | |||
| {{pre|1= | |||
| @misc{ wiki:xxx, | |||
| author = "{{(}}{{SITENAME}} contributors{{)}}", | |||
| title = "{{FULLPAGENAME}} --- {{(}}{{SITENAME}}{{)}}{,} {{MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle}}", | |||
| year = "{{CURRENTYEAR}}", | |||
| url = "{{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}", | |||
| note = "" | |||
| } | |||
| }} | }} | ||
| {{archives|search=yes}} | |||
| When using the ] package <code>url</code> (<code>\usepackage{url}</code> somewhere in the preamble), which tends to give much more nicely formatted web addresses, the following may be preferred: | |||
| {{pre|1= | |||
| @misc{ wiki:xxx, | |||
| author = "{{(}}{{SITENAME}} contributors{{)}}", | |||
| title = "{{FULLPAGENAME}} --- {{(}}{{SITENAME}}{{)}}{,} {{MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle}}", | |||
| year = "{{CURRENTYEAR}}", | |||
| howpublished = "\url{{(}}{{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}{{)}}", | |||
| note = "" | |||
| } | |||
| }} | |||
| </nowiki></pre> | |||
| I also fix the wrong <code>\url</code> suggestion. That should go into the howpublished field only. | |||
| ] (]) 12:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> — Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 12:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC) | |||
| == Protected edit request on 13 February 2019 == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Citethispage-content|answered=y}} | |||
| In the "Misplaced Pages talk pages" section, I'd like to request that the format be changed from that of an external link to that of an intrawiki link. Since it involves nowiki tags, and the end result is similar, it might be easier to understand this request by looking at the source in edit mode: | |||
| Please change | |||
| <!--Current--> | |||
| ;Markup: <nowiki>]</nowiki> (<nowiki></nowiki>) | |||
| ;Result: () | |||
| <!--End current--> | |||
| to | |||
| <!--New--> | |||
| ;Markup: <nowiki>]</nowiki> (<nowiki>]</nowiki>) | |||
| ;Result: (]) | |||
| <!--End new--> | |||
| I'd also like to make a correction - currently, the result isn't produced with the markup given. Thus, with both changes, the final result should be: | |||
| ;Result: ] (]) | |||
| Thanks, --] (]) 00:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
| : {{Done}} (without the extra <code>}}</code>) — ] <small>(]'''·'''])</small> 02:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{reply to|JJMC89}} thanks for catching that. Sorry --] (]) 02:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == Add BibLaTeX citation entry == | |||
| This is a proposal to add a citation entry for BibLaTeX<ref>{{cite web |title=The biblatex Package |url=http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/CTAN/macros/latex/exptl/biblatex/doc/biblatex.pdf}}</ref>. While BibLaTeX has backwards compatibility with BibTeX, there is a much more fitting entry for BibLaTeX which provides better styling and language adaptation in the final output. It looks like this (check source for templates/magic words): | |||
| @inreference{wiki:xxx, | |||
| author = {{{SITENAME}} contributors}, | |||
| title = <nowiki>{</nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME}}}, | |||
| booktitle = {{{SITENAME}}, {{MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle}}}, | |||
| date = {{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY2}}}, | |||
| urldate = <nowiki>{</nowiki>{{#time:Y-m-d}}}, | |||
| url = <nowiki>{</nowiki>{{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}<nowiki>}</nowiki>} | |||
| One example of how it looks once compiled in English, with the default BibLaTeX style and Biber: | |||
| :Misplaced Pages contributors. ''MediaWiki talk:Citethispage-content''. {{Smallcaps|In:}} ''Misplaced Pages, The 💕''. Mar. 26, 2019. {{Smallcaps|URL:}} https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=MediaWiki_talk:Citethispage-content&oldid= (visited on 03/26/2019). | |||
| <code>@reference</code> is for a "work of reference such as an encyclopedia" and <code>@inreference</code> is for "an article in a work of reference". <code>booktitle</code> is a required field for <code>@inreference</code> and is the name of the reference. | |||
| ] (]) 15:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
| {{reflist-talk}} | |||
| == Protected edit request on 7 April 2020 == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Citethispage-content|answered=yes}} | |||
| Copy from ] (applying ]), to remove the transclusion of {{tl|pre}}, which is only semi-protected so shouldn't be used in the MediaWiki namespace. ] ] 04:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :{{done}} — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == Harvard style == | |||
| Hello, I suggest to add ] to ] () Because it is a standard rule for citation and referencing. (Please ping me when you replied) Thanks! ⇒ ]] 11:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == Protected edit request on 21 January 2021 == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Citethispage-content|answered=y}} | |||
| Replace two occurrences | |||
| wiki:xxx | |||
| by | |||
| <code><nowiki>enwiki:{{REVISIONID}}</nowiki></code> | |||
| Rationale: | |||
| * That code <code>wiki:xxx</code> is a unique identifier within the TeX document. | |||
| * Writers are forced to edit this ID manually if they subsequently quote wiki pages and they have to invent a different ID each time. | |||
| * By DB name and version ID a globally unique ID will be created now. | |||
| * German Misplaced Pages made this change ]. | |||
| * It is even possible to derive the permalink URL from that ID. | |||
| Greetings   ] (]) 13:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|PerfekteChaos}} Has this been tested? --] (]) 19:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yes, and has been reported to work fine. | |||
| :: It is quite easy to see. <code><nowiki>{{REVISIONID}}</nowiki></code> is already used within the system message in order to generate <code>canonicalurl:</code> and <code>enwiki:</code> is not a drastic change and such ID may consist at least of ASCII letters, colon and digits. --] (]) 20:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :{{done}} --] (]) 18:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Protected edit request on 25 September 2021 == | == Protected edit request on 25 September 2021 == | ||
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| == MLA style == | == MLA style == | ||
| {{edit protected}} | {{edit protected|ans=y}} | ||
| According to the access-date should be the last parameter. Currently this page outputs the url as the last parameter. The proposal is to move <code><nowiki><citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>.</nowiki></code> from the end to before <code>Web.</code> ] (]) 18:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC) | According to the access-date should be the last parameter. Currently this page outputs the url as the last parameter. The proposal is to move <code><nowiki><citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>.</nowiki></code> from the end to before <code>Web.</code> ] (]) 18:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC) | ||
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| ::::'''Misplaced Pages contributors. "Johnston's genet." Misplaced Pages, The 💕. Misplaced Pages, The 💕, 1 Nov. 2022. Web. 20 Apr. 2023.''' | ::::'''Misplaced Pages contributors. "Johnston's genet." Misplaced Pages, The 💕. Misplaced Pages, The 💕, 1 Nov. 2022. Web. 20 Apr. 2023.''' | ||
| :::— Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 09:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC) | :::— Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 09:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC) | ||
| ::::The lack of the url might be another issue. This request stems from a VTRS ticket that I can't access on my phone. I'll reread the ticket later and get back to you. ] (]) 09:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::] is {{u|Nthep}}'s ticket. ] (]) 11:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::@] serve me right from working from memory, the ticket is about the commons version of this page which when I examine it is different, in two ways. | |||
| ::::# It does have the access-date before the url, I'll take the original request there. | |||
| ::::# It includes the url which this page doesn't for MLA. Perhaps this page should include <code><nowiki>{{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}.</nowiki></code> instead of <code>web.</code> (before the access-date). | |||
| ::::] (]) 11:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Don't cite Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|answered=yes}} | |||
| Please add a short paragraph between the current first and second paragraphs at the top of this page: | |||
| :With a few ''rare'' exceptions (such as describing Misplaced Pages's own content) ]. | |||
| Thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 17:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :] should probably be linked if it's added. ] (]) 21:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree; added. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 21:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> Honestly, this just looks like noise given the general use case for this page: namely, producing citations for external use. What is the (strong) motivation for adding it here? ] (]) 00:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The link to this page, on ''every article'', says "cite this page", not "cite this page outside Misplaced Pages". We regularly have issues with (particularly novice) users citing Misplaced Pages articles. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 10:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::But do you know if they used this feature to produce the citation? ] (]) 20:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Please tell me how that would be detected? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 09:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::By seeing if it has "Misplaced Pages contributors" and "Misplaced Pages, The 💕". ] (]) 20:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Protected edit request on 17 December 2024 == | |||
| {{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Citethispage-content|answered=yes}} | |||
| For | |||
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| <div class="plainlinks" style="border: 1px solid grey; background: #E6E8FA; max-width: 90%; padding: 1em 2em; margin: 0.7em auto;"> | |||
| </syntaxhighlight> | |||
| Add the notheme class, so that the header of the box is not shown in white on light background. | |||
| <syntaxhighlight> | |||
| <div class="plainlinks notheme" style="border: 1px solid grey; background: #E6E8FA; max-width: 90%; padding: 1em 2em; margin: 0.7em auto;"> | |||
| </syntaxhighlight> —] (] • ]) 14:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| : Done. ] ] 00:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Protected edit request on 25 September 2021
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Please change the link after "Primary contributors:" to ], which is Wikimedia hosted and maintained instead of hosted by someone personally. Dylsss 20:14, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comparing the output for a random article:
- Is the information the same? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Dylsss: please confirm you are happy with this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Dylsss: please confirm you are happy with this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
MLA style
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According to the MLA style guide access-date should be the last parameter. Currently this page outputs the url as the last parameter. The proposal is to move <citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>. from the end to before Web. Nthep (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- I don't understand.
<citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>.produces today's date. When I made this change, the citation at the randomly chosen Johnston's genet was:- Misplaced Pages contributors. "Johnston's genet." Misplaced Pages, The 💕. Misplaced Pages, The 💕, 1 Nov. 2022. 20 Apr. 2023. Web.
- I don't think this is what you intended — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm just quoting the code from the interface documentation page. So let's go simple - move whatever code outputs the access-date to the end of the output from its current position before the url-link. Nthep (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- Still confused. There is currently no URL is the MLA citation that I can see. The access date is already at the end. this is the current citation on Johnston's genet:
- Misplaced Pages contributors. "Johnston's genet." Misplaced Pages, The 💕. Misplaced Pages, The 💕, 1 Nov. 2022. Web. 20 Apr. 2023.
- — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- The lack of the url might be another issue. This request stems from a VTRS ticket that I can't access on my phone. I'll reread the ticket later and get back to you. Nthep (talk) 09:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- ticket:2023041710004066 is Nthep's ticket. Cabayi (talk) 11:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- @MSGJ serve me right from working from memory, the ticket is about the commons version of this page which when I examine it is different, in two ways.
- It does have the access-date before the url, I'll take the original request there.
- It includes the url which this page doesn't for MLA. Perhaps this page should include
{{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}.instead ofweb.(before the access-date).
- Nthep (talk) 11:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- The lack of the url might be another issue. This request stems from a VTRS ticket that I can't access on my phone. I'll reread the ticket later and get back to you. Nthep (talk) 09:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- Still confused. There is currently no URL is the MLA citation that I can see. The access date is already at the end. this is the current citation on Johnston's genet:
- I'm just quoting the code from the interface documentation page. So let's go simple - move whatever code outputs the access-date to the end of the output from its current position before the url-link. Nthep (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Don't cite Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages
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Please add a short paragraph between the current first and second paragraphs at the top of this page:
- With a few rare exceptions (such as describing Misplaced Pages's own content) Misplaced Pages articles should not be cited in other Misplaced Pages articles.
Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:CIRCULAR should probably be linked if it's added. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree; added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Honestly, this just looks like noise given the general use case for this page: namely, producing citations for external use. What is the (strong) motivation for adding it here? Izno (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- The link to this page, on every article, says "cite this page", not "cite this page outside Misplaced Pages". We regularly have issues with (particularly novice) users citing Misplaced Pages articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- But do you know if they used this feature to produce the citation? Nardog (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please tell me how that would be detected? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- By seeing if it has "Misplaced Pages contributors" and "Misplaced Pages, The 💕". Nardog (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please tell me how that would be detected? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- But do you know if they used this feature to produce the citation? Nardog (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- The link to this page, on every article, says "cite this page", not "cite this page outside Misplaced Pages". We regularly have issues with (particularly novice) users citing Misplaced Pages articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 17 December 2024
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For
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Add the notheme class, so that the header of the box is not shown in white on light background.
<div class="plainlinks notheme" style="border: 1px solid grey; background: #E6E8FA; max-width: 90%; padding: 1em 2em; margin: 0.7em auto;">