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| ==The 'Incentives to make duplicate recorded versions of a song' section== | |||
| This reads like a kid's essay or something. Nothing is necessarily false but it doesn't really add anything beyond the author's speculations about cover intent which isn't very relevant IMO <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==Punk albums== | |||
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| *] : Tous leurs albums ! | |||
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| ==Netscape crash== | |||
| '''This is a user-hostile page, in that it causes Netscape to crash because of the way the tables are made, having < t d > without any following < / t d >, and the like. The creator of this page seems to have been unwilling to correct that problem for several weeks.''' | |||
| This is a user-hostile web page in that it causes netscape to crash. I suspect that is because it has things like < t d > without < / t d >, etc. | |||
| :The end tags for TD, TH and TR are optional, so this should not cause problems for any compliant browser. But there were some other errors in the formatting of the table, so perhaps that was the problem. I've fixed it (the W3C validator says ), so it should work in Netscape now. --] 21:16 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks for fixing it. :) ] | |||
| :::Is it fixed and may we strike-out the warning? ] 02:50, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Numerous covers== | |||
| Hmmm.. what about songs that have been covered numerous times, like ], how's that going to fit into the table? | |||
| Well, if we include all 3000 or whatever covers of "Yesterday", we really will have a problem fitting it into the table. :) But I doubt if all the covers of any song that has been covered numerous times are notable enough or commercially successful enough to be worthy of inclusion. We can include 2 or more covers in the third column by just inserting a br between them (as has been done in a couple of cases). ] | |||
| Neon Genesis Evangelion, Fly Me to the Moon. | |||
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| ==Remove table== | |||
| Nothing wrong with having an article, although I'm sure it will be ruined by humorless completists the way ] was ruined, but it is a terrible idea to put a table in here. It is not only user-hostile, it is editor-hostile as well. There is very little excuse for tables and this one doesn't qualify. ] | |||
| If you feel that way, then change it. The reason I created a table was that I originally had no table and didn't like the way the information lined up (since I had basically three columns of data). Personally, I think it is more readable this way than it was without the table, but if you feel otherwise, go ahead and change it and see if you can come up with something that looks readable. ] | |||
| I don't have a problem with a table, but this particular table is user-hostile since it makes netscape crash. That can be corrected without removing the table. -- Mike Hardy | |||
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| =="Woodstock"== | |||
| I know that Joni Mitchell wrote "Woodstock", but does anyone know if she actually recorded it before or after CS&N? If she recorded it afterwards, then probably a note is appropriate mentioning that the "cover version" was recorded before the "original version". Or is it not really a cover if the songwriter records it after the artist who "covers" it did? ] | |||
| I just added a list of cover albums to the bottom, and I wanted to add a ] album that is called something along the lines of ''English Tax Protest Songs (1317-1514)'' (or similar, I just made the years up because I don't remember) and all the songs are actually tax protest songs from a long time ago. Do albums of entirely traditional, public domain songs count as cover albums? ] 03:41 Dec 30, 2002 (UTC) | |||
| : Interesting question. My inclination would be to say that it counts. ] | |||
| : Another question that comes to mind is brought up by my Joni Mitchell example above. Carol King, on her Tapestry album, recorded one or more songs that she had written when she was a songwriter but not a singer, years earlier, and which were hits for other artists. So can an artist cover their own material? This sounds like perhaps an example of a special category of songs that is slightly different, but related. ] | |||
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| ==List too long== | |||
| I think the list is getting too long. I don't really have a concrete solution for it, but just to throw out some ideas. We could adopt one or both of the following (feel free to add a suggestion to this list): ] | |||
| #List covers that hit the Top Ten after 1970 or so, before which it was too common to be worth noting | |||
| #Require that entries include a sentence or two about ''why'' it is culturally, historically or musically significant (similar to ]) | |||
| :I'd just leave the page as it is. As with practically all lists, contributions are likely to slow down considerably in the future. A case in point seems to be ] (see also the horrible debate with ] at ]), but also the ]. --] 05:25 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Fiona Apple== | |||
| I don't know much about Fiona Apple, but was she three years old when she released Across the Universe? ] 10:18 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Song?== | |||
| Hi Everybody, I am working on the german article on Cover Version ]. I am searching for a song from the 1950ies, which is a cover by white musicians but had actually no mentioning (at least in the first release) of the original black songwriters and artists (which is an example for ]). I have in my mind, that there have been numerous cases, but i am no specialist in RocknRoll...--] 13:15, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC) | |||
| ==Copyright== | |||
| What is the copyright status of cover versions? How is it that posting lyrics on the web is a copyvio, while singing them as your own is not? ] 20:21, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
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| I included a brief explanation of compulsory licensing in the beginning of the article. The short of it is that American copyright law (I don't know about anywhere else) says that you can record your own version of a previously recorded song so long as you pay the copyright holder an amount specified by law. You don't have to get permission for covers, unlike with samples or compilations of previously recorded material. Does that sound clear? I'm sure someone can clean up my explanation in the article. | |||
| ==In between a cover and a sample== | |||
| How do we deal with and where do we put borrowings or covering that doesn't include a whole song, like a sample, but unlike a sample is re-performed. Numerous examples exist of the bass line from ]'s "Good Times", from rap songs to Queen. ] 04:46, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Split == | |||
| Surely this now needs splitting into "cover version" and "list of cover versions"? ] 16:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed - I will make the change --] 01:07, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Category: Cover Songs== | |||
| Make a new category? Thoughts? | |||
| *Since there were no objections, I just went ahead and did it. | |||
| == Someone please fix... == | |||
| Someone please fix this nonsensical string of words: "Thus, their featured artists ''Feature article: the main article on the front page of a newspaper, or ''the cover story'' in a magazine'' . | |||
| == Lead paragraph simplification - correct? == | |||
| (pertaining to the Dec 4 2010 revision of the lead) | |||
| I changed the lead sentence from ''However, ] and other magazines recording the popularity of the musical artists and hit tunes originally measured the sales success of the published tune, not just recordings of it or, later, the airplay that it achieved, in which case the greater the number of cover versions the more successful the song'' to | |||
| == "Cover" a buzz word == | |||
| ''Originally, ] and other magazines which track the popularity of the musical artists and hit tunes originally measured the sales success of the published tune, not just recordings of it. Later, they tracked the airplay that songs achieved, for which some cover versions are more successful the song'' | |||
| I am 71, I do not recall hearing this word before the 1990s. I may have, but as memory serves me, a began to hear it a lot rather fast, in the scheme of things. I submit that it became a buzz word, or what the Fowlers called a "vogue word", and as such indicated ones sophistication, insider awareness, or hipness when used. Hence excuses were in place to use it as much as possible, so that artists viz. singers or instrumentalists didn't perform a song anymore, they did, or made, a cover, and their rendition was a "cover" i.e. they "covered" it. Gag me with a spoon as Moon Unit Zappa used to say. I like to sing in the shower, and this morning I did a cover of "Ol' Man River". I don't know whether I'd covered Jerome Kern or Paul Robeson (who probably 'covered' it himself). <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Is this correct? The original is either a fragment, or simply too complicated for my brain - which generally is not considered food (6th-grade reading level for newspapers and all.. Think of all the brain-injured soldiers who didn't receive HBOT early enough - Case Report: Treatment of mild traumatic brain injury with hyperbaric oxygen." UHM 2009, Vol. 36, No. 6, 2009, Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society. {{PMID|20112530}}..) I don't know if the revision expresses the same facts as the original. | |||
| :Thank you! Gag me too! Can't stand it. Has there been any published criticism of the hysterically frequent use of this term? Who started it? What huge power made it so universal so fast? My main thought on this has always been: a great song covers a fine singer, whereas a great singer does not try to cover a fine song. --] (]) 09:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree with these concerns - I raised them a few months ago at ], but no-one seemed keen about taking any action. What is the best course of action? A coordinated approach, but where? ]? ] (]) 11:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::NPOV? Undue weight? I don't know. --] (]) 11:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| It seems to me that, while the term has been around for quite a while, it came to prominence with the general public during the 1960s. Particularly after the Beatles popularity it became rather du rigor for any band which desired to be perceived as legitimate to write their own songs rather than recording material written by others. Calling a band a "cover band" was somewhat derogatory: a cover band might have some sort of local following playing at bars, high school and college dances and the like, but that was it unless they wrote their own material. In the 950s, nobody card that Elvis never wrote a song, but now that could be a big issue. Of course, there were exceptions. Lots of groups did Dylan, Carol King, etc., but usually had to do at least some of their own stuff in order to be judged as legitimate. ] (]) 18:11, 20 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| @jokowi ] (]) 08:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :The term was not (note: not) normal in the 1960s. --] (]) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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The 'Incentives to make duplicate recorded versions of a song' section
This reads like a kid's essay or something. Nothing is necessarily false but it doesn't really add anything beyond the author's speculations about cover intent which isn't very relevant IMO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.231.153 (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
"Cover" a buzz word
I am 71, I do not recall hearing this word before the 1990s. I may have, but as memory serves me, a began to hear it a lot rather fast, in the scheme of things. I submit that it became a buzz word, or what the Fowlers called a "vogue word", and as such indicated ones sophistication, insider awareness, or hipness when used. Hence excuses were in place to use it as much as possible, so that artists viz. singers or instrumentalists didn't perform a song anymore, they did, or made, a cover, and their rendition was a "cover" i.e. they "covered" it. Gag me with a spoon as Moon Unit Zappa used to say. I like to sing in the shower, and this morning I did a cover of "Ol' Man River". I don't know whether I'd covered Jerome Kern or Paul Robeson (who probably 'covered' it himself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.112.111 (talk) 03:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! Gag me too! Can't stand it. Has there been any published criticism of the hysterically frequent use of this term? Who started it? What huge power made it so universal so fast? My main thought on this has always been: a great song covers a fine singer, whereas a great singer does not try to cover a fine song. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with these concerns - I raised them a few months ago at WT:MOSMUSIC#Use of term "cover version" in popular music, but no-one seemed keen about taking any action. What is the best course of action? A coordinated approach, but where? WT:WTW? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- NPOV? Undue weight? I don't know. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with these concerns - I raised them a few months ago at WT:MOSMUSIC#Use of term "cover version" in popular music, but no-one seemed keen about taking any action. What is the best course of action? A coordinated approach, but where? WT:WTW? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
It seems to me that, while the term has been around for quite a while, it came to prominence with the general public during the 1960s. Particularly after the Beatles popularity it became rather du rigor for any band which desired to be perceived as legitimate to write their own songs rather than recording material written by others. Calling a band a "cover band" was somewhat derogatory: a cover band might have some sort of local following playing at bars, high school and college dances and the like, but that was it unless they wrote their own material. In the 950s, nobody card that Elvis never wrote a song, but now that could be a big issue. Of course, there were exceptions. Lots of groups did Dylan, Carol King, etc., but usually had to do at least some of their own stuff in order to be judged as legitimate. Wschart (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
- The term was not (note: not) normal in the 1960s. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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