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	== Rankings template ==

	It would seem that the rankings template people have completely remade the template. i am deleting all unnecessary rankings, but I figured I would save the numbers here:
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	== Informal review ==

	{{u\|Buffs}} has asked me to review this article as a volunteer FAC mentor. I'd like to offer the following comments for consideration, noting at the outset that as an Australian I have only a vague awareness of this university:
	*"It is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity"" - seems a bit obscure/detailed for the lead, and doesn't flow from the previous sentence
	*"Enrollment climbed to 258 students before declining to 108 students in 1883" - when did it hit 258?
	*"by 1918, 49% of all graduates of the college were in military service, more than any other school" - what explains this?
	*"with the college producing 20,229 combat troops" - no it didn't. The Army trained them. Sailors and airmen aren't "troops" either.
	*"Of those, 14,123 Aggies served as officers, more than any other school and more than the combined total of the United States Naval Academy and the United States Military Academy" - the USNA and USMA are elite institutions, and trained relatively small numbers of officers, so this comparison is misleading and basically boosterism. If this is going to be highlighted, the reason for this should be noted as well.
	*"until his death and burial on school grounds in 2018" - did he really die on the university's grounds? The article on him says he died at home in Houston.
	*The history section doesn't note when women were re-admitted, only when this was approved
	*Or mention desegregation
	*The para starting with 'In 2017, the status of the statue of Lawrence Sullivan ' is awkwardly worded, and seems to be trying to dodge a few issues.
	*Some of the statistics in the 'Student body' section look dated (e.g. the 2019 stats)
	*The 'Research' section could have been written by the university's PR team. It should describe the university's areas of research focus in a more flat way, noting areas of weakness as well.
	*"Texas A&M leads the Southwestern United States in annual research expenditures, including research on every continent alongside formal research and exchange agreements across the globe" - as above.
	*"Since 1876, over 285 Aggies have served as generals or flag officers, as of 2021." - does this really need five citations?
	*" These drills must be drawn by hand as computer marching programs return errors without disabling safety features; their calculations require two people to be in the same spot at the same time" - hard to follow, and seems like trivia
	*I presume that there has also been opposition to the Corps of Cadets? (for instance, in the Vietnam War). The whole institution seems to have a decidedly military aspect to it, and it would be good to explore this thematically: I imagine it attracts some students and repels others.
	*"Aggie students founded the largest one-day student-run service project in America known as The Big Event..." this para also reads like promotional material
	*"and consume the substance to obtain a feeling that they have earned the ring" - bit clunky
	*"To symbolize their "readiness, desire, and enthusiasm", it is traditional for students in attendance to stand throughout the sports game" - how does this work in the modern era for students with mobility issues?
	*"The Aggies are a member of the Southeastern Conference of the NCAA for all sports as of 2012" - can this be updated?
	*The three notes need supporting references.
	*More broadly, and this is a bit of a tricky comment to action, the article seems to be written from the perspective of the university administration. The experiences and views of students and teaching staff and how they've changed over time don't really come through. For instance, what did the first women and non-White people to enter the university in the 1960s experience, and how has this changed over time? How is the university viewed by potential students and staff given it seems to promote a rather old fashioned culture? What proportion of students adhere to this tradition? (for instance, if only 20% live on campus, do the other 80% turn up at the various traditional events held after classes?) ] (]) 09:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
	::{{ping\|Nick-D}} Solid feedback! Thank you! I'm going to reply line-by-line at ], if that's ok with you. ] (]) 21:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

	== Review from Hurricanehink ==

	Similar to the above, I was asked to review the article. I hope there's no overlap with the above.

	*I hate to ask, but is there a reference for note3 - ''"Public" schools in the United States are generally funded by the state''
	*"Under the leadership of President James Earl Rudder in the 1960s, A.M.C. desegregated, became coeducational, and dropped the requirement for participation in the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets and enrollment began to rapidly expand." - I feel like this could be split up. Maybe like - "Enrollment expanded again in the 1960s under the leadership of President James Earl Rudder. The college desegregated, became coeducational, and dropped the requirement for participation in the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets."
	*I notice a lot of refs in the lead. There shouldn't be refs there unless anything is particularly controversial, as the lead is supposed to reflect the content in the article. Does the lead need all of those references?
	*"over 5,500 acres (22 km2)" - it might be nice to have the same style of unit, using mi2 along with km2, because I'm not sure people can grasp what 5,500 acres looks like. Then again, IDK if people know what 8.5 square miles looks like.
	*I notice you mention the student body being the largest in the US, and you also mention that one-fifth lives on campus, but you never mention the size of the student body in the lead.
	*"But after working through initial faculty resistance" - you're not supposed to start a sentence with "But"
	*" With the backing of State Senator William T. "Bill" Moore, also known as "the Bull of the Brazos" and "the father of the modern Texas A&M University." - I was gonna mention the nicknames as being unnecessary for Sul Ross, but he has a statue, whatever. But I don't think we need to know Moore was the Bull of the Brazos. Maybe just say who considered Moore to be the father, rather than having an unattributed quote?
	*In general in the history section, it would be nice if the paragraphs were closer in size to each other.
	*"With the backing of State Senator William T. "Bill" Moore, also known as "the Bull of the Brazos" and "the father of the modern Texas A&M University", in 1963, the 58th Legislature of Texas approved Rudder's proposal for a substantial expansion in its physical plant construction, facilities upgrades, diversifying and expanding its student body by admitting women and minorities and making membership in the Corps of Cadets voluntary. " - similar to the lead, this bit seems a bit rushed, as it seems like one of the more important historic events at the university.
	*"In the following 35 years" - from Rudder's death in 1970?
	*"one of thirteen American presidential libraries operated by the National Archives and Records Administration" - the presidential library article says there are 15
	*Is it worth mentioning that the Aggie Bonfire continued unofficially after it was stopped? Also, should the bonfire get mention in two separate parts of the article? Seems overkill.
	*"With strong support from Rice University and the University of Texas, the Association of American Universities, the leading academic association of America's top research universities, inducted Texas A&M in May 2001, on the basis of the depth of the university's research and academic programs." - this could be a lot clearer
	*Is it worth mentioning Covid in the history section? That seems a bit more important than a statue's non-removal.
	*''The university and colleges are '''generally''' accredited'' - eh?
	*Ref 8 doesn't seem to cover - "Texas A&M was the largest public American university"
	*"The institution self reports, that in 2019, the school had a four-year graduation rate of 59% and a six-year graduation of 81.7%." - is this figure pre-Covid for a reason?
	*''The school is rated as "more selective" by US News & World Report'' - what does this mean?
	*"In 2016, the university was targeted by animal rights group PETA, who alleged abusive experiments on dogs. Texas A&M responded that a video had been posted by PETA with insufficient context, and it said that the dogs had a genetic condition that also affects humans, Duchenne muscular dystrophy, for which there is no cure. "The dogs, who are already affected by this disease, are treated with the utmost respect and exceptional care on site by board-certified veterinarians and highly trained staff. The care team is further subject to scientific oversight by agencies such as the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Muscular Dystrophy Association, among other regulatory bodies." - this seems a bit too much detail
	*" In 2013, geographic researchers named the largest volcano on Earth, Tamu Massif, after the university." - since this isn't directly related to the research by the university, this should be in the "history" section
	*"Texas A&M leads the Southwestern United States" - Texas is Southwest?
	*"Texas A&M owns three international based facilities, a multipurpose center in Mexico City, the Soltis Research and Education Center near the town of San Isidro, Costa Rica, and the Santa Chiara Study Abroad Center in Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy." - I think some more syntax is needed. I believe it would be "international-based", but double check on that. Also, I'm not sure if it should be a colon : or a dash or something else after "facilities". Lastly, any more details on these facilities?
	*''The campus is part of Qatar's "massive venture to import elite higher education from the United States"'' - it's not good to have unattributed quotes. Can't you just describe this without the quote? If not, list who said it.
	*"Instead, Texas A&M opened a $6 million marine biology center in Haifa, Israel." - when?
	*"The Corps Arches, a series of twelve arches that " the spirit of the 12th Man of Texas A&M", mark the entrance to the Quadrangle." - I'm not sure what you're linking with the 12th Man of Texas link.
	*" Reveille, the Aggie mascot, lives with her handlers in the Corps in the Quad." - is it worth mentioning that Reveille is a dog?
	*Under "Activities", I found the coverage of the GLBT organization to be odd. You say: '' GLBT Aggies, the descendant organization of Gay Student Services (GSS), successfully sued the university for official recognition in the decision Gay Student Services v. Texas A&M University, in which the Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that the First Amendment required public universities to allow students the freedom to assemble.'' So you mention the group suing, but not that the organization has been around since 1985, and that it exists beyond just a lawsuit.
	*"W5AC broadcast the first live, play-by-play broadcast of a college football game, at Kyle Field, in November 1921." - was this station affiliated with the college? Or did it just happen to broadcast the play-by-play here? Considering it was a first, I think a bit more context would be nice.
	*"when 25 Aggies "mustered" during the battle for the island of Corregidor." - see, the "mustered" quote doesn't help because I don't know what happened!
	*''To symbolize their "readiness, desire, and enthusiasm"'' - I'm noticing a pattern in the article of some unnecessary quotes that are unattributed
	*The Hall of Fame section isn't that long, so I think that would work best at the beginning of the sports section, so that way the sub-categories are about different types of sports.
	*"The women's team has been coached by Gary Blair since 2003." - needs updating, their season is over and he is now retired.
	*The school has 20 sports, of which football and basketball get a section, and only women's soccer and volleyball get an "also" mention. I think you should list all of them here.
	*''Aviation pioneer Fred Weick did much of his post war research at Texas A&M.'' - should it be "post-war"?
	*I guess I expected a mention of the current college president somewhere in the article outside of the infobox.
	*One random thing that came to mind after finishing reading. How many buildings make up the main campus?
	*Having all of the images on the right looked visually boring. Maybe switch it up?
	Those are my comments from my first read-through. The article does a good job at being current and thorough.
	:{{ping\|Hurricanehink}} Comments copied to ] & will respond there. Thank you so much for the feedback!!! ] (]) 17:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

	== Recent Administrative Reorganization/History ==		== Recent Administrative Reorganization/History ==
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	In 2021, President Banks released the plan for the reorganization ''The Path Forward''.<ref>(https://cache.cloud.tamu.edu/path-forward/The-Path-Forward.pdf)</ref> It lists that the new ] would be formed and fully operational by September 1st, 2022 from the previous ], ], and the ]. I hope this can be listed on the article somewhere. I created a list of the current colleges/schools of the University. It’s adapted from one that was on the page until a little over a year ago.		In 2021, President Banks released the plan for the reorganization ''The Path Forward''.<ref>(https://cache.cloud.tamu.edu/path-forward/The-Path-Forward.pdf)</ref> It lists that the new ] would be formed and fully operational by September 1st, 2022 from the previous ], ], and the ]. I hope this can be listed on the article somewhere. I created a list of the current colleges/schools of the University. It’s adapted from one that was on the page until a little over a year ago.

	Also, on the article for the ] it reads, “In 1959, Dr. Frank Hubert was selected as dean of the School of Arts and Sciences”. Which, according to the articles of both the College of Liberal Arts and the College of Science, may possibly be true as both colleges are listed as being established the same year. If it is true that it was once named this way, it should be mentioned somewhere on the History section of this article. If considering the College of Arts and Sciences as a re–establishment of the possible School of Arts and Sciences then the founding date would be 1924.

	Another note, I brought back the once-deleted article about the College of Liberal Arts and made some changes.
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	! colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" \| '''TAMU ~~college/school~~ ~~founding~~'''<ref> ''Texas A&M University.'' Retrieved April 11, 2023.</ref>		! colspan="2" style="text-align: center;" \| '''TAMU colleges & schools'''<ref> ''Texas A&M University.'' Retrieved April 11, 2023.</ref>
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			<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:42, June 3, 2023 (UTC)</small>

			{{reftalk}}

			== Recent issues ==

			Are the recent issues involving hiring and the president's resignation of long-term notability? If so, then someone please write a short paragraph about all this. 19:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC) ] (]) 19:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Thanks for reminding us. This definitely belongs in the article and I've added a few sentences. ] (]) 00:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

			==Statement from the university president about Qatar==
			Added statement of TAMU's President regarding inaccuracies and misconceptions of university. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:13, May 27, 2024 (UTC)</small>

			:No, you began an ] to readd a vague sentence that said that the president made a statement. Specifically, you readded this sentence:

			::On 7 January 2024, ], President of TAMU, addressed inaccuracies and misconceptions circulating on various websites and social media platforms regarding the University and its branch campus in Qatar and shared accurate information.<ref>{{Cite web \|title=Correcting Misinformation About Our University {{!}} Office of the President {{!}} Texas A&M University \|url=https://president.tamu.edu/messages/correcting-misinformation-about-our-university.html \|access-date=2024-05-24 \|website=president.tamu.edu}}</ref>

			:Setting aside the minor issues such as the date format that's inconsistent with the rest of the article and the unnecessary middle initial in the person's name, the larger issues are (a) your edit warring to add this statement, (b) the vagueness of the statement, and (c) the fact that the sentence is just unnecessary. All of those issues need to be addressed, not ignored. ] (]) 12:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

			{{reftalk}}

			== ==

			{{ping\|ElKevbo}}, you asked to discuss the changes here, so here I am. The changes made were to summarize and accurately reflect what the sources say and, by extension, what actually happened.

			Point by point:
			#There is too much detail here. Paragraphs above in the history section span decades in just a few sentences. This was a whole paragraph dedicated to a two issues spanning just 2 years.
			#She didn't "suddenly resign", it was abrupt. But if that's the quibble, fine. Keep "suddenly".
			#The resignation of the interim dean of the College of Arts & Sciences is immaterial. No significance is ever specified and is unnecessary/relatively meaningless detail
			#Banks most definitely attempted to hire McElroy via unauthorized means. .
			#.
			#Whether she attempted to hire McElroy "to revive the university's journalism program" is a little bit immaterial to the matter or is, at the least, unnecessary detail.
			#"The initial job offer, which included a multiyear offer and tenure...terminated at any time." Again, too much detail.
			#"Her potential hiring was heavily criticized by conservative groups and alumni, as the offer was made to a black woman who had previously worked at '']'' and studied how to improve diversity, equity, and inclusion in newsrooms"
			#:This is probably my biggest disagreement. Conservatives did not oppose her because she was black. They did not oppose her because she was female. To insinuate that any/all conservative opposition is racist and sexist without any evidence is a violation of ]...moreover, there is nothing to show that sex was a factor at all. Literally no sources mention it at all, yet it is thrown in. Yes, some people CLAIMED that race was the reason, but it wasn't accompanied by any proof, ergo, it is a baseless accusation that should not be repeated here and certainly not in wikivoice.
			#:Conservative criticism was geared squarely at what she was ''doing'', not her race or sex:
			#::""
			#::McElroy has no problem tipping the news in a liberally biased manner; she openly states that she can choose not to report anything she decides is "illegitimate" and that everything need to be told with the understanding that the US was built on and remains systemically racist: ""
			#::She didn't just study DEI, .
			#Removed "Shortly thereafter, the university paid McElroy $1 million to settle her legal claims." Again, this is too much detail. Moreover, this inaccurately draws a direct line of causality from Banks's actions and the payment to McElroy. Neither side admitted any fault and neither side is talking about it. Accordingly, it's definitely too much detail. I wouldn't be opposed to say that the dispute was settled out of court for $1M, just not the current phrasing if we can better work it into a sentence.

			The point of all of this is that this whole section is way too detailed and focuses too much on ].

			All that said, I'm rereverting the part about conservatives because it misstates their position and is a violation of ]. We can work on the rest. ] (]) 21:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

			:Sorry but I have no interest in working with you on this topic. I don't have the energy to continue wading through all of this and I can't even assume good faith of your edits. So you are welcome to restore all of your edits - I will not revert them or contest them.
			:(And note that the ping functionality of Wikimedia only works with a new Talk page message - you can't add it to an existing message as that will not actually notify the other editor.) ] (]) 16:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Wow, dude. You demand an explanation on the talk page (""), I spend 4 hours to provide it, and your response is "I have no interest in working with you" and "can't even assume good faith" and fail to provide any substantive explanation? If all you want to do is make people jump through hoops in order to make edits, perhaps you need to find something else to do. That's absurd and you're wasting everyone's time. ] (]) 17:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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To-do list for Texas A&M University: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2009-10-02

Update research section.
Create a section about Texas A&M the institution.
Expand information on the TAMU University System.
Trim some of the "fat" on this page

Recent Administrative Reorganization/History

In 2021, President Banks released the plan for the reorganization The Path Forward. It lists that the new Texas A&M University College of Arts and Sciences would be formed and fully operational by September 1st, 2022 from the previous College of Liberal Arts, College of Geosciences, and the College of Science. I hope this can be listed on the article somewhere. I created a list of the current colleges/schools of the University. It’s adapted from one that was on the page until a little over a year ago.

TAMU colleges & schools
College/school	Year founded

Bush School of Government and Public Service	1997
Irma Lerma Rangel School of Pharmacy	2006
Mays Business School	1961
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences	1911
College of Arts and Sciences	2022
College of Geosciences (Defunct)	1949
College of Liberal Arts (Defunct)	1924
College of Science (Defunct)	1924
College of Engineering	1880
School of Architecture	1905
School of Dentistry	1996
School of Education and Human Development	1969
School of Engineering Medicine	2021
School of Medicine	1977
School of Nursing	2008
School of Performance, Visualization & Fine Arts	2022
School of Public Health	1924
School of Law	2013
School of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences	1916

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquabluetesla (talk • contribs) 17:42, June 3, 2023 (UTC)

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(https://cache.cloud.tamu.edu/path-forward/The-Path-Forward.pdf)
Texas A&M University. Retrieved April 11, 2023.

Recent issues

Are the recent issues involving hiring and the president's resignation of long-term notability? If so, then someone please write a short paragraph about all this. 19:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC) 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F43C:597E:C305:125C (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding us. This definitely belongs in the article and I've added a few sentences. ElKevbo (talk) 00:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Statement from the university president about Qatar

Added statement of TAMU's President regarding inaccuracies and misconceptions of university. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.186.86.140 (talk • contribs) 06:13, May 27, 2024 (UTC)

No, you began an edit war to readd a vague sentence that said that the president made a statement. Specifically, you readded this sentence:

On 7 January 2024, Mark A. Welsh III, President of TAMU, addressed inaccuracies and misconceptions circulating on various websites and social media platforms regarding the University and its branch campus in Qatar and shared accurate information.

Setting aside the minor issues such as the date format that's inconsistent with the rest of the article and the unnecessary middle initial in the person's name, the larger issues are (a) your edit warring to add this statement, (b) the vagueness of the statement, and (c) the fact that the sentence is just unnecessary. All of those issues need to be addressed, not ignored. ElKevbo (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

References

"Correcting Misinformation About Our University | Office of the President | Texas A&M University". president.tamu.edu. Retrieved 2024-05-24.

Reversions by ElKevbo

@ElKevbo:, you asked to discuss the changes here, so here I am. The changes made were to summarize and accurately reflect what the sources say and, by extension, what actually happened.

Point by point:

There is too much detail here. Paragraphs above in the history section span decades in just a few sentences. This was a whole paragraph dedicated to a two issues spanning just 2 years.
She didn't "suddenly resign", it was abrupt. But if that's the quibble, fine. Keep "suddenly".
The resignation of the interim dean of the College of Arts & Sciences is immaterial. No significance is ever specified and is unnecessary/relatively meaningless detail
Banks most definitely attempted to hire McElroy via unauthorized means. She made one offer, rescinded it, and then made another offer with significantly changed terms and using a forged signature of a dean who did not authorize it.
Banks most definitely attempted to cover it up by deleting text messages (despite Texas public records requirements).
Whether she attempted to hire McElroy "to revive the university's journalism program" is a little bit immaterial to the matter or is, at the least, unnecessary detail.
"The initial job offer, which included a multiyear offer and tenure...terminated at any time." Again, too much detail.
"Her potential hiring was heavily criticized by conservative groups and alumni, as the offer was made to a black woman who had previously worked at The New York Times and studied how to improve diversity, equity, and inclusion in newsrooms"
This is probably my biggest disagreement. Conservatives did not oppose her because she was black. They did not oppose her because she was female. To insinuate that any/all conservative opposition is racist and sexist without any evidence is a violation of WP:BLP...moreover, there is nothing to show that sex was a factor at all. Literally no sources mention it at all, yet it is thrown in. Yes, some people CLAIMED that race was the reason, but it wasn't accompanied by any proof, ergo, it is a baseless accusation that should not be repeated here and certainly not in wikivoice.

Conservative criticism was geared squarely at what she was doing, not her race or sex:
"Those perspectives are consistent with Texas conservatives’ recent attempts to counteract what they view as a liberal agenda within Texas’ public universities"

McElroy has no problem tipping the news in a liberally biased manner; she openly states that she can choose not to report anything she decides is "illegitimate" and that everything need to be told with the understanding that the US was built on and remains systemically racist: "We can’t just give people a set of facts anymore. I think we know that and we have to tell our students that. This is not about getting two sides of a story or three sides of a story, if one side is illegitimate. I think now you cannot cover education, you cannot cover criminal justice, you can’t cover all of these institutions without recognizing how all these institutions were built."

She didn't just study DEI, she openly advocated it in schools and academia. She is part of the Council for Racial and Ethnic Equity and Diversity (CREED) and organization that advocates for equity-based hiring practices and distributes anti-racism “resources.”
Removed "Shortly thereafter, the university paid McElroy $1 million to settle her legal claims." Again, this is too much detail. Moreover, this inaccurately draws a direct line of causality from Banks's actions and the payment to McElroy. Neither side admitted any fault and neither side is talking about it. Accordingly, it's definitely too much detail. I wouldn't be opposed to say that the dispute was settled out of court for $1M, just not the current phrasing if we can better work it into a sentence.

The point of all of this is that this whole section is way too detailed and focuses too much on WP:RECENTISM.

All that said, I'm rereverting the part about conservatives because it misstates their position and is a violation of WP:BLP. We can work on the rest. Buffs (talk) 21:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry but I have no interest in working with you on this topic. I don't have the energy to continue wading through all of this and I can't even assume good faith of your edits. So you are welcome to restore all of your edits - I will not revert them or contest them.

(And note that the ping functionality of Wikimedia only works with a new Talk page message - you can't add it to an existing message as that will not actually notify the other editor.) ElKevbo (talk) 16:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Wow, dude. You demand an explanation on the talk page ("please open a discussion in Talk if you feel strongly about this!"), I spend 4 hours to provide it, and your response is "I have no interest in working with you" and "can't even assume good faith" and fail to provide any substantive explanation? If all you want to do is make people jump through hoops in order to make edits, perhaps you need to find something else to do. That's absurd and you're wasting everyone's time. Buffs (talk) 17:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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