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== Postage stamp refs == |
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A new editor, ], added a section in July about commemorative stamps. The user then posted bare urls directly into the Refs section of the article. I have removed these and placed them here, so that they can eventually be properly included. |
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It appears from their talk page that this editor has made similar edits to many other articles in their brief career here, and retired from Misplaced Pages after their behaviour was raised at . |
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279. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/178779-Karl_Marx_1818-1883_philosopher-Karl_Marx-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 1305C, Stamp Number HU 1042, Yvert et Tellier HU 1079A. |
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280. colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/176915-Karl_Marx_1818-1893_politician-Personalities-Hungary. Catalog codes: Michel HU 2068A, Stamp Number HU 1583, Yvert et Tellier HU 1680, AFA number HU 2024. |
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281. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8663-India/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:IN 950, Sn:IN 1017, Yt:IN 761, Sg:IN 1084. |
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282. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/2650-Russia/year/2018/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Col:RU 2018-18 and Col:RU 2018-18KB (Mini-sheet). |
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283. colnect.com/en/stamps/list/country/8150-Vietnam/year/1983/item_name/karl+Marx. Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1367, Sn:VN 1317, Yt:VN 462 and Catalog codes: Mi:VN 1368, Yt:VN 463. |
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== House in Trier, Germany, where Marx spent his childhood and youth == |
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== House in Trier, Germany, where Marx spent his childhood and youth == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2024 == |
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== Please remove FRSA postnominal == |
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The FRSA postnominal should be removed from the lede and infobox. Marx could not have had this postnominal in his lifetime as the organisation only got the Royal title in 1908. (]). Moreover, FRSA is not an honour but represents a membership that is open to a wide range of people by paying a subscription. Related discussion ]. ] (]) 13:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:I agree. Also, he is not known for being a member of the society, and it gives a false impression of who he was (e.g., that he was a Royalist).--] (]) 15:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::Removed.--] (]) 18:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC) |
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I undid this removal of the FRSA postnominal. Consensus was not achieved at ]--] (]) 12:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:The MOS policy does not mandate inclusion of the FRSA postnomial, so it could be removed if there is consensus among editors on this page to do so. I will not remove it myself as the change has already been reverted. ] (]) 08:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::FRSA postnominal has no place being in the lede of the article. Concur with what @] has stated, it should be removed. <nowiki>:</nowiki>3 ] (]]) 14:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Well, ''Marx'' must have thought it was worth having, or he wouldn't have applied. That's the important point; the other objections are formal. (1) '''Royal'' Society of Arts didn't exist in his time'. The society existed and so did the honour; it's just a formal change of name, like RSPCA or RNLI, or KC for QC. (2) 'Postnominals have no place in the lede': not WP policy. From MOS:POSTNOM: |
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:{{quote|"Stephen William Hawking CH CBE FRS FRSA (8 January 1942 – 14 March 2018) was an English theoretical physicist, cosmologist, and author who, at the time of his death, was director of research at ..."}} |
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Moses Mordecai Levi, otherwise known as Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818-March 14, 1883) was a German-Jewish philosopher, economist, historian, revolutionary, and journalist from Trier, Germany. ] (]) 12:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> <br />— ]<sup></nowiki>]]</nowiki>]]</sup> ⋮ 13:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I am not finding any reliable sources on this. The only ones I found were articles using his Jewish identity to attack him. Here is one very biased article that mentions Moses mordecai Levi https://www.news24.com/news24/karl-marx-and-his-hateful-dream-of-atheism-20120913 |
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:There is also a random reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/karlmarx/comments/riufhh/was_karl_marx_his_birth_name/ |
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:The only potentially legitimate source I found is where it says his paternal grandfather's name was Mordechai Levi |
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:All the other sources are baseless conspiracy theories connecting him to the Rothschilds. |
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:Please present reliable sources before starting a topic on talk pages. ] (]) 21:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Critiques of Marx as a person. == |
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There are hundreds of others. FRSA is easy to misunderstand: it's not like a university degree; they don't give it out grudgingly, but you do have to convince them you share their values. Marx did.] 22:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Little to nothing about the personal character or contradictions of Marx as a human being. Seems one sided. Not looking for character assassination but a more balanced view. ] (]) 21:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Death == |
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:Any suggestions on what to add? Please elaborate a bit more ] (]) 21:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The last sentence in the death section is incoherent and does not make sense. I would fix it myself but without the source I don't know what the real meaning is supposed to be. ] (]) 16:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Did Marx's parents convert to escape persecution, as many Jews did, or did they sincerely practice Christianity? == |
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== Changing nationality from German to German-born == |
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Asking here because this is not mentioned at all in the article and I'm wondering if it's applicable ] (]) 12:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Here's a suggestion to change Marx's nationality from "German" to "German-born", as he was stateless for most of his life. More specifically, change the first line from "was a German philosopher" to "was a German-born philosopher". This is in accordance with ]'s introduction "was a German-born theoretical physicist". ] (]) 04:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Marx's family were not very religious Jews. After they converted, they were not very religious Christians either. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 12:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''', seems straightforward and concordant with ]. –] (]) 08:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Heinrich Michael in Karl Marx and the Birth of Modern Society goes in detail why Heinrich Marx converted in chapter Karl's Marx Parents. Basically Heinrich converted so he could keep he's job as a lawyer. ] (]) 18:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' further I would propose "German born Jewish", I actually came here to the talk page to question that, Karl did not consider himself German, merely born in Germany, his Jewish identity was foremost to him culturally (and in his early years religiously (familially at least)) where as where his parents were living when he popped out was irrelevant to him. I know it's probably not intentional anti-Semitism but it's kind of ... unfortunately forgetful to intentionally leave out the core of his ethnic identity as a person. ] (]) 21:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::That is nonsense. Karl Marx had no "Jewish identity", certainly not as a central part of his identity. And his parents converted to Christianity before he was born; he had absolutely no Jewish religious upbringing. Nor is it antisemitic to point this out. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 00:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Location of the house
The former home of Karl Marx in Simeonstraße 8 (then Simeongasse 1040) looks rather unremarkable at the beginning of Trier's shopping promenade close to the famous Porta Nigra. Only a few minutes walk leads visitors to the bronze statue of Karl Marx by Wu Weishan – a present from the People's Republic of China to Trier.
Moses Mordecai Levi, otherwise known as Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818-March 14, 1883) was a German-Jewish philosopher, economist, historian, revolutionary, and journalist from Trier, Germany. Prism Steno Book (talk) 12:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Little to nothing about the personal character or contradictions of Marx as a human being. Seems one sided. Not looking for character assassination but a more balanced view. Redonefifty (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)