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== template ==
== Inquiry about CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati page ==


Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? ] (]) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi,
1. I wanted to know the current status of pages with name CA.Pradeep kumar Bhati or Pradeep Bhati on wikipedia?
2. Since how long the page is pending for any approval and the reason of the delay?
3. How this page issue could be resolved and it can be published as earliest?
4. If there are multiple pages than please verfiy and publish the right source page.
5. The information about the Official Spokesperson is available of Samajwadi Party website itself. There are over 50 debates available in different national channels of India. What else you want to check? please see all the links provided and these are all available in consolidation form (official page of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter accounts of the Pradeep Bhati)? ] (]) 11:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)


:look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... ] (]) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:], the current status of both "]" and "]" is "doesn't exist". Nonexistent pages aren't awaiting approval (or anything else). Are they perhaps drafts? "]" doesn't exist, but "]" does. The current status of the latter seems to be "moribund": it was declined, but since then no attempt has been made to improve it (or resubmit it). As for your fifth question, are you familiar with the requirement for what Misplaced Pages understands to be "]"? -- ] (]) 11:23, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
:Dear CA. Pradeep Kumar Bhati,
::More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you for your effort. Besides what ] has said, I would like to point out that your username is very similar to "CA.Pradeep Kumar Bhati" and "Pradeep Bhati". If you have a conflict of interest, you are expected to disclose it–you may do it on your user page. Please see ] for more information.
:Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from ] to ] ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use <nowiki>{{infobox musical artist}}</nowiki> and fill out the template using it's template page at ]. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
:It also seems that you are writing about a person related to a political party. If you are paid to create or edit the articles you mentioned, you also must disclose it. Please see ] for more information.
:Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Cheers, -- ] (]) 12:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
::Dear Sir, Username resemble but I am neither paid or directly associated with him. I disclose and reassure that any information uploaded is based on facts and information available in public domain
::Thanks ] (]) 02:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello CA Pradeep Kumar Bhati.
:::If your account name closely resembles a living person, and you are not that person (as you disclose in your previous comment), you may be/are likely at risk of violating ] or ].
:::You should probably confirm whether you are or aren't that person, as if you aren't said person you risk being blocked. ] (]) 08:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


== how can I rigth a article in wikipedia ==
== "Reliable souces" ==


how can I rigth ] (]) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I created a draft article for Ibragim Suleymanov https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Ibragim_Suleymanov a recipient of the title People's Hero of Kazakhstan which is a clear and undeniable notability qualifier. I was more than a little worried because I know very well about Wikipedias anti-Central Asian bias and history of rejecting highly notable Central Asians for articles simply because they don't have English name recognition. None of the websites I cited in my article are prohibted, they are major Kazakh press entities. Just because you haven't heard of a source and don't know who to use google translate doesn't mean that a source is unreliable. This anti-Kazakh bias festering in Misplaced Pages is unnjustifiable. How would you feel if an article for Colonel Paris D. Davis was rejected in Kazakh Misplaced Pages on the grounds that American sources like CNN and Washington post weren't reliable and Kazakhs felt it wasn't worth giving him an article since he doesn't have Kazakh media about him? Misplaced Pages needs more anti-bias training. I knew it that the second I used the word Kazakh it would be treated differently than if I wrote about an American of similar status. Орта жүздің Ноқта ағасы Тарақты шежіресі is a reliable source and used in the Russian article. e-history.kz is cited often in english wikipedia and there is nothing unreliable about it. Жамбыл Жабаев творчествосы is a reliable book source for the poetry of Jambul. soviet-aces-1936-53.ru is cited in dozens if not hundreds of other Misplaced Pages articles about non-Kazakhs, but now that its in an article about a Kazakh it's not reliable enough? What about Aikyn.kz is unreliable? Should we declare the NYT not reliable because it isn't in Kazakh. I will share the news of this rejection on my social media, I highly doubt other Kazakhs will be amused by this. I would like to remind you how the Uzbeks feel about the time that another anti-Central Asian editor rejected Toshmuhammed Sarimsoqov's article because apparently being head of the national academy of sciences and recipient of the highest Soviet civilian honor isn't enough for an Uzbek to be worth an article. I demand a better expanation that "unreliable sources" because that is clearly not the problem here.--] (]) 12:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


:]
:Courtesy pinging @] who was the reviewer for this draft. Hopefully they can help explain the declination. I will just note, @], please don't make vague threats about sharing your grievance on social media- that isn't very constructive. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 12:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:] (]) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:<small>(Am I the only one who has '''''no idea''''' who Colonel Paris D. Davis is?)</small> ] (]) 20:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. ] (]) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:See ]. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. ] (]) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


== Find a Grave = WP:RS ? ==
It is not illegal to complain about article rejection on social media. The US constitution protects freedom of speech which includes the right to complain about unjust rejection of Kazakhs and wrongfully declaring many major Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Misplaced Pages does not have the legal authority to arrest people for complaining about Misplaced Pages on twitter Misplaced Pages is not owned by the American government at least not officially. It is completely legal under American and Kazakh law to complain about Misplaced Pages article rejection.
:Firstly- please remember to ] your comments so we can track who is saying what.
:Let's take a step back and breathe- this is obviously an important topic for you but I think we should ] and be careful that you don't resort to personal attacks.
:Your article was only declined, not rejected, which shows that it can still be considered! Let's wait for the reviewer to pass some specific feedback, and hopefully we can then understand why they declined the article and what you can do to improve it. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 12:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:I would just add that "Freedom of speech" is irrelevant here. Like many people, you misunderstand what is meant by ]. To quote from that article: {{tq|free speech ... prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses}} such as Misplaced Pages. In other words, people can't write on Misplaced Pages whatever they like. ]|] 12:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


Is ] = ] ?
Speaking of constructive how is wrongfully declaring so many major and popular Kazakh newspapers and books to be unreliable not unconstructive? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
How would you feel if Kazakh Misplaced Pages rejected an article about a really famous American like Desmond Doss because it felt that the major american newspapers and history books werent good enough for Kazakh Misplaced Pages?--] (]) 12:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


] (]) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:@]: firstly, I would ask that you try to remain civil, and avoid wild accusations and baseless claims of bias and discrimination; Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort, and such an adversarial attitude is not conducive to collaboration.
:{{welcometea}} Please consult ]. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:I didn't say that Kazakh-language sources are unacceptable. I didn't even say that all the sources cited in this draft are non-reliable. However, I would say that half of the draft content is not referenced in any obvious way, and a couple of the sources cited did not seem relevant and/or reliable, leaving a significant proportion of the information potentially unsupported.
:The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the ] section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on ] today, so that's why I chose that example.. ] (]) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:But now that you have resubmitted the draft (without making any improvements, I might add), you have the opportunity to have it reviewed again by someone else. -- ] (]) 12:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
::{{re|KazyKazyKazakhstan}} as a tangent comment, now that you have re-submitted the draft, I encourage you to take off the first paragraph "This person and historical books." It is better to put this paragraph in the talk page of the article. I believe that your draft is more likely to pass without this paragraph. Cheers, -- ] (]) 12:48, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
But if I dont put it there somebody certainly will think that the title Peoples Hero of Kazakhstan isn't evidence of notability. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Uncited? Every paragraph has citations and I have added more citations now. Every statement of fact is verified by one or more of the sources I used. I fail to see how ANY of the sources are irrelevant because all of them mention Suleymanov by name. You still haven't said which of the sources I used are not reliable, and i reiterate that they are not samizdat but these are major sources used in many other wikipedia articles--] (]) 12:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:::If you take a moment to stop ranting and complaining about perceived injustices, you will note that your draft has already been accepted. ] (]) 13:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
::::Don’t you just love it when, instead of trying to improve their article, an editor just tries to blame it on the “anti-Central Asian” editors? <span style="font-family: comic sans;">] ]</span> 17:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


== Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do! ==
== Adding new pages ==


I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, ]), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found ], but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use <code>Special:NewcomerTasksInfo</code>"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? ] (]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I Opened my Misplaced Pages account to add pages to few topics that interests me, but I got rejected. Did not know what exactly would count as a solid reference for the topics that I am writing for.


:Hello @]. ], you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the ] and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol ] and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I am writing about Ivy (Machine Learning), it's a new framework that aims to unify AI, something similar to Keras, when I wrote the article, it asked me for reference but was not sure what reference would be accepted for that. Can you point me to some trustworthy resource? ] (]) 16:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
::@]
::*You should find display user homepage at the bottom of ], "User profile" tab.
::*If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be ].
::*Have you found ] and ]? ] (]) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. ] (]) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- ] (]) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to ]). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- ] (]) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). ] (]) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm a fan of ] as a newbie task - not ''small'', exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to ]. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- ] (]) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Different images for Light/Dark mode ==
:Hello A0m0rajab,
:Thank you for coming to the teahouse. It is the responsibility of you, the editor, to find reliable sources as references for any article you wish to create. The criteria of a reliable source can be seen here at ] and ]. For example, according to Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, "academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources on topics such as history, medicine, and science."
:I am assuming that you are new to Misplaced Pages. Please then also see ].
:Cheers, -- ] (]) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:Hi @],
:Take a look at ] on identifying reliable sources. I'd recommend ], and at the top of the page, you'll see a box with various tools, including links to find sources, see ]. If you can't find reliable secondary sources, you should consider whether the article is ]vle enough to have its own article. I'll see if I can find sources for you. ] (]) 16:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you for your answers, my main issue is that, I might add a resource and it would be rejected. I will check the links you provided to understand the situation. Thanks. ] (]) 17:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
::] ] was Declined (not Rejected). Do not resubmit until after you add valid references. Given newness of Ivy, ] may apply. ] (]) 18:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your answer, I will wait then till I add that article. ] (]) 09:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. ] (]) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Who is this "The Best Known For IP?" ==


:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
What happened to him on Misplaced Pages that made him rage a war for nearly the past decade?
:@], you can use {{tl|dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See ] and ]; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. ] (]) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Wider vs specific consensus ==
Do we know what he seeks to accomplished by making numerous accounts?


Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ] ] 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia?


:@] I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there anything more we can do to stop him?
:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of ]).
:I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ] (]) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening ]. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages? ==
This rabbit hole goes so far it would take me hours to get a clear picture this. ] (]) 04:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|UnironicEditor}}. Please read ]. ] (]) 04:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:Just because it's worth making this point as clearly as possible: {{tqqi|Do we know any details about him IRL like if he worked for Wikimedia?}} No, we don't (meaning the larger community as a whole), and attempting to '''uncover''' such information or making it public would be ], and is a sanction-worthy offense. Even with vandals. ] (]) 20:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the ]. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (], ]), so it must be possible.
== Draft rejected needs review assistance ==


Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — ] (]) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I am currently working on the Wiki biography of ] , and the article draft have been decline two times because despite what I would have considered significantly improvement based on initial rejection.


:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
It hurts to see My draft rejected but feel he pass notability because He is a member of ] should pass ]#3
::@] That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at ]. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) ] (]) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
See or and they are good source for WP:GNG aswell along with .And ] #2 for his invention which received significant recommendations from Nigeria immediate past president see and also a good potential for WP: Basic aswel.
:Even if you're uploading "locally", ] is likely helpful. All the projects use the same ] software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --] (]) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling ==
Kindly review, and help give me more specific recommendations. I have added additional references and adjustments along with other experience editors, even after the second draft decline.] (]) 09:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


Hi there! I was editing my and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? ] (]) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi @].
:Ironically I think you've now fallen into the trap of ]. Could you give us just the three best sources which are independent of Fela, from reliable places, are secondary, and discuss Fela in detail or provide analysis / interpretation?
:Note your draft has only been declined, not rejected. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 12:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


:Hi @]: it seems that with you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- ] (]) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
{{U|Qcne}} Thank you for your positive response, kindly see this as requested.
::Hi @], thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea ] (]) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at ]. -- ] (]) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
. Please kindly note, I also have an argument above of him pass notability for WP: BASIC , WP: GNG , WP:CREATIVE, WP:NACADEMIC . ] (]) 13:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


== how to give feedback ==
:@], the first diff is to IEEE, which is affiliated with Mr. Akinse (because as you say he's a member). What we need to see are three that constitute all of the following:
:#Independent (not affiliated in any way)
:#Reliable (in general the minimum standard is evidence of editorial oversight)
:#Significant coverage
:Which three (and only three; if you provide five, and we check the first one, and it doesn't qualify, a lot of folks won't even look at the rest) constitute this? ] (]) 22:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature.
I {{U|Valereee}} appreciate your response, please kindly see and please, kindly note , I have an argument above aswel which can also be considered. ] (]) 00:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thanks ] (]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
:I would say that the Nigerian Tribune is a good source, but The Nation seems a bit promotional in nature- especially the list of random facts at the bottom. I wonder how or why that article was created? Vanguard could be a good source too, but is a little short. Ideally you'd want to see some interpretation and analysis of Fela's activities- these three sources have a hint of promotion about them. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 11:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is ] that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. ] (]) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at ]. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that ] is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. ] (]) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{tpq|I am not interested in editing wikipedia}} If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. ] is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, ] are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general ] for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even ]. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at ]. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --] (]) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== VisualEditor ==
*::I {{U|Qcne}} appreciate your kind response, please kindly see this additional source. . Please don't forget my argument above. Thank you.] (]) 08:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
*:::The Sun and Tribune again seem a little promotional, but might be okay as sources. Add them and see what the reviewers say. ClimAccelerator seems to just be a promotional interview so wouldn't meet the ] threshold.
*:::You still need to be careful about your citation overkill.
*:::Looking at your arguments above:
*:::- I don't think Fela passess ] just by being a member of IEEE or getting one of their awards: the award criteria mentions "highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level". I'm not sure the IEEE Entrepreneurship Stars award is this- but happy to defer to an Editor with more knowledge.
*:::- Fela doesn't pass ] yet- an endorsement from a past President isn't one of the criteria. If his invention receives significant attention then perhaps, but it is likely ]. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 09:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


I've just changed my Preferences > Editing
== Improving draft article on K-crossover music group CREZL ==


Turned on "Enable the visual editor" <small>(which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)</small>
Dear Teahouse community, I have gotten very helpful comments from editors here on my ]. As I continue to improve the draft and wait for approval, may I get some additional feedback from experienced reviewers? Many thanks in advance. ] (]) 14:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.
:@] I can't read any of the citations, owing to my lack of language skills but one immediate issue is that you have included many external links in the body of the article. that's a no-no: ]. ] (]) 16:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::Also, it is standard practice to include the English translation of the titles of your citations, using the |trans-title parameter that's available in {{tl|cite news}}, for example. ] (]) 16:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Regarding the translation, this is the very reason I initiated writing a Wiki article. There is a lot of foreign language content, but none in English. I looked at another Wiki page for some guidance (], which is also a crossover group borne out of the Phantom Singer show, like Crezl). They had predominately Korean language articles and cited in Korean, not a English translation. Could you provide some advice? Thank you so much. ] (]) 12:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks very much for your feedback. I removed the external links in the table. I believe I have now only internal links to other wiki articles in the body of the article. ] (]) 12:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


I've looked at ] and it says (] to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).
== Tone of writing ==


But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I have created the entry for ] & am being told it is held up because of tone. It's confusing because I am not seeing the language that is 'PR' or promotional. Advise please. ] (]) 15:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


:I've found out, reading ] (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
:This presumably refers to puffery like {{tq|Her commitment bringing people together and making a positive impact on society has earned her respect within the culinary world}}, which does not appear in the cited source. ]|] 15:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
:@] The reviewers seem to think that Lancaster is ], so you should persist with the draft but need to read ] and ] to see ''the relevant policies'' which you must comply with in your re-write. ] (]) 16:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:and the press "save" button at the bottom.
:Geraldine, I went through and removed the promotional stuff, but on a quick spot check, source 5 doesn't even mention Boston or West Virginia? Am I missing something? ] (]) 18:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
::Hello, {{u|Geraldine Aino}}. Let me start by saying that I enjoy cooking shows and am very familiar with this cook/performer. I think that she is probably notable and the encyclopedia would be better off with an article about her. But I want to raise another issue. Notability is established by providing references to reliable, ''independent '' sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Lancaster is a star on the ] network, and the majority of your references are to ] and to various of its member stations. Essentially, these sources are promoting their own broadcast content. So, I encourage you to provide more references to sources that are entirely independent of PBS. ] (]) 21:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:It's not easy to find out. ] (]) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you for that Cullen but seems PBS stars are not that publicly covered. I cite her colleague ] page, who was also a founding member of the shows. It is difficult for me to understand the policy of determining notability strictly based on independent press. This is an example of where this policy is flawed IMO. ] (]) 14:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) ] (]) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::But, @], do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you, @] . I've tried in main space and the in user space. ] (]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, {{tq|you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.}}? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== "No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error) ==
== How do we design our usernames? ==


Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.
I see some usernames which are kind of designed with emojis, colors, fonts etc. How can I do the same thing to my username? ] (]) 15:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.
:hi @] and welcome to the teahouse! that is the signature of a user, which you may decorate with some knowledge of ]: see ] for some guidelines and tips on this. happy editing! &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span> ] - 15:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::I am getting confused. Everytime I do that, it's not working. Can you show an example? ] (]) 15:55, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
:::If you scroll down in ], you will see a section where you can input custom signatures. Make sure to check the "Treat the above as wiki markup." button. If unchecked, your custom signature will appear broken. ] <sup><i>]</i></sup> 16:09, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::::See ] for more detailed help. <small>(Oh, never mind, {{u|Melecie}} already linked there. Sorry!)</small> ] (]) 20:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.
== watchlist management ==


Bell Labs record
what is a good way to organize your watchlist in order to best use that thing, i don't really know what people use it for or how to organize it so it isnt just a mess ] (]) 23:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


Article about this record
:], I've never attempted to organize my watchlist, I just check it regularly to see what recent changes have been made to the articles I'm watching -- those that I originally created or did a lot of edits on, and those on a subject that particularly interests me. I use it to see what's happening with favorite articles. Sometimes I notice the person that added information isn't an expert on English grammar, so I'll do a little copyediting to make a sentence easier to understand. Other times I'm just pleased that good referenced information has been added. Some editors may keep track of articles that have been vandalized, or ones that often have a well-intentioned person adding details that aren't referenced. The edits may need to be reverted. I hope this helps you know what a watchlist can be used for. ] (]) 02:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Personally, I have two reasons why articles are on my watchlist:
::#Articles I have a continuing interest in monitoring. These are permanently on the list, because I want to know anything that goes on with them.
::#Articles I have edited, just because I noticed something I could do to improve them (eg spelling corrections, formatting, referencing), but which I don't have a long-term interest in, I add to my watchlist for a week or a month, just in case someone points out a problem with what I've done.
::How much you add to your watchlist will depend on how 'busy' (frequently changed) the articles are, and how many notifications you want to receive each day. <span class="nowrap">]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Sample of this sound
== Fortaleza percentage typo? ==


What do you think of this? ] (]) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/Fortaleza#Politics


:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for ] or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! ]]] 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
In the linked article.
::Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ] (]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Maryam Mirzakhani ==
"(26,457% of the total state)"


Can someone fix the error in the ] article?
Is it supposed to be 26.457%?


Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus '''<span style="color:red">Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g}</span> .''' In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.
I was looking up cities near the equator that are at sea level.


] (]) 02:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC) Thanks. ] (]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:<s>Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be ]; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be ] and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be ] and ]. Ideally, you're going to need to find ] ] (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; ], you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a ] source and could have other issues as explained in ]. You could also try asking about this at ] since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- ] (]) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</s>;<ins>post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</ins>
: Yes, it should be using period instead of a comma per ]. I fixed it. ] (]) 02:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Note that the comma is used for this in several European languages, so it may not be a typo, so much as a writer unaware of the conventions in English. ] (]) 19:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC) ::Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at ] than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
:Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, ] is a better place to ask about this.
:@]. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ] (]) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction {{u|ColinFine}}. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability. ==
== Primate cities typo? ==


Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask:
"Fortaleza, along with Recife and Salvador, is a considered one of the primate cities of Northeast Region."
I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from ] to since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur.
Cheers! ] (]) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in ] and in ]. ]&nbsp;] 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including ] and in ] ] (]) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! ] (]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. ] for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
:Note, to the anonymous editor: if you ] you get your own shiny neato ] to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!
:(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the ], but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having ] with its own generation capacity!) --] (]) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::<small>Note to ]: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at ] to create a draft. ] (]) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is ], which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --] (]) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @] suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! ] (]) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the other hand, ] is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with ] that ] is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. ] (]) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have . Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. ] (]) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


Am I missing something? Primate cities? Primary cities? == Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages? ==


Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages ] (]) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/Fortaleza#Politics
:Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about '''your''' game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See ] and ]. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See ] ] (]) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Aaronfart14}}, the relevant content guideline is ]. ] (]) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. ] (]) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Writing about Childhood and Early Life ==
] (]) 05:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? ] (]) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:], but usually these kind of issues are better discussed on the article's talk page rather than here ] (]) 06:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Aharten97}} It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see ]. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Last sentence of Lead now reads "Fortaleza is one of the three leading cities in the Northeast region together with Recife and Salvador." ] (]) 06:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. ] (]) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] I've changed that section as it didn't sound right. Also I realized that my reply here got taken away by the achieve bot just as I posted it. 🛧]🛪 (<small>]</small>) 06:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Hmm, I thought structured discussions were supposed to (at least help) protect against getting edit-conflicted with the archive bot (or any other editor)?
::::As for the claim that the previous version {{tqqi|didn't sound right}}, beware of simply being thrown by unfamiliar vocabulary. As {{u|NotAGenious}} pointed out with their helpful link, "primate city" is a recognized term, and (crucially) has nothing to do with zoology; the root is the same as in "primary" or "prima donna". It may not have sounded right '''''to you''', previously'', but hopefully having seen the ] article, it now sounds right-er? ] (]) 19:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::(Also, feel free to, instead of changing the text, ''link'' ] to that article where it first appears in the section. Presumably it wasn't already linked, because it was previously used elsewhere in the article. The rule around here '''''used'' to be''' one wikilink per term per article, but that was ] to one per ''section''.) ] (]) 20:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


== What to write on your talk page? ==
== I Want to Create a Misplaced Pages Page for the name of " Vision IAS " ==


Above question ] (]) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Team, I Want to Create a Misplaced Pages Page for the name of " Vision IAS " . I am having reliable source for it, such as
:Hi and welcome, @]. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. ] (]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Citations about movies ==
1. Times of India
2. Hindustan Times
3. Jagran Josh
4. Livemint
5. OP India
6. Navbhratimes
7. Indian Express


I'm trying to improve ]
We are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of our organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/).


1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?
Also having a School in rural India named as " Global Village Foundation ( http://globalvillagefoundation.in/rdgvschool/index.html ) ] (]) 06:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)
:Have you read ]? It's usually strongly encouraged to make edits to existing articles (see ]) before creating a new article. ] (]) 07:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Yss, I have read and understood ] (]) 07:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Also, ], ], ], and use critical thinking what comes to ] ] (]) 07:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Many thanks
:{{U|Infinityvision02}}, what makes you say "<u>We</u> are also doing the social work for the societies through the help of <u>our</u> organization names as " Paras India " ( https://www.parasindia.in/)"? -- ] (]) 07:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Please check here are our credentials or also can go through this link ( https://www.parasindia.in/ )
::PARAS INDIA was established in 2007 with the aim to transform society by uplifting and dignifying the marginalized sections of the society. With our efforts, we aim to empower the society in line with the tenets enshrined in our Constitution. We are a national level non-governmental organization which is currently working in five states in India, namely, Delhi-NCR, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Bihar . Our focus areas include education, gender, counselling, awareness generation, livelihood, healthcare and disaster management. It’s our prime endeavour to bring into mainstream those who have been historically and socially sidelined. To make them an active participant in the democratic process and bring dignity to their lives.
::'''Note: ''' Please check our above given notable link, I hope you find it valuable for Misplaced Pages page creation.
::Thanks ] (]) 07:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


] (]) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::], the aims of your organization are of course admirable, but you are demonstrating a profound lack of understanding of this encyclopedia. For one thing, what an organization says about itself is of little or no value for an encyclopedia article about that organization. -- ] (]) 08:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hi and welcome, @]. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is ]. You can learn how to add citations at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Infinityvision02}}, please also stop copy-pasting news headlines into articles, as you did with ] . Article text needs to be written in full sentences, not in the form of newspaper headlines. ] (]) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Noted ] (]) 09:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC) ::If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. ] (]) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted your points, but what do you think about credibility for " VisionIAS "Page Creation.
::::1. Times of India
::::2. Hindustan Times
::::3. Jagran Josh
::::4. Livemint
::::5. OP India
::::6. Navbhratimes
::::7. Indian Express
::::'''Note''' Please check and let me know your opinion
::::Thanks ] (]) 09:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::The list of medias from India isn't enough. I would suggest doing the following
:::::1. Carefully review ], ], ] and ] to determine whether you should create the article. Articles without reliable inline citations can and will be deleted.
:::::2. Either request an article creation at ], or
:::::3. Create a draft using the ], read ] and write the article.
:::::Also, if you have a ], read ] ] (]) 10:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Please note that The Times of India is usually considered unreliable and not independent, as they accept article submissions for payment. See ] for more information. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 10:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::As you told me times of India is not a reliable source, so please also confirm me from this list which are notable or not.
::::::Hindustan TImes
::::::Jagran Josh
::::::Livemint
::::::OP India
::::::Navbhratimes
::::::Indian Express
::::::MID Day
::::::Newspatrolling
::::::PKBnews
::::::Rising Kashmir
::::::Daily
::::::Daily Excelsior
::::::The Logical Indian
::::::TFI Post
::::::Newsroom Post
::::::MP Breaking News
::::::News Track Live
::::::Thanks ] (]) 05:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::The place to ask about reliability of sources is ]. Sources that have often been asked about are listed at ], but you should also search the archives of RSN.
:::::::Note that reliability is only one of the three independent criteria by which the value of a source is evaluated: you also need to consider whether the particular item you are citing is ] of the subject of the article, and whether it contains ] of the subject. Sources that don't meet these latter two requirements may sometimes be used, but they do not contribute to establishing ], and the bulk of the sources cited should meet those criteria. ] (]) 10:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


== How do I create a Misplaced Pages article ==
== Draft:Harnessing the Dragon's Fume ==


How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Over the past half-year or so, I've dedicated my efforts to creating a page called "]." My concern relates to meeting the requirements of ], where we are expected to have at least two separate book reviews from independent sources. Despite gathering three reviews, I received them all from the same reviewer, albeit on three distinct platforms. Now, I'm unsure if this fulfills the guidelines. Can anyone clarify if it does? ] (]) 09:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


:Здравствуйте, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In my opinion I don't think three reviews from the same reviewer meet the requirement of two separate reviews- which I take to mean the reviews need to be from more than one person. ] (]) 09:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. ] (]) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. ] (]) 09:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, please be aware that the ] is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is ], which means the account is over a month old (it is) ''and'' has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). ] (]) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm in agreement with {{u|331dot}}. You'd certainly be welcome to ''reference'' two, or even all three, reviews from the same reviewer, if they make different useful points about the book... but you'd still need to have at least one more from a ''different'' reviewer to establish notability. ] (]) 20:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Then can someone else make an article about it? ] (]) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. ] (]) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Who do I ask about it? ] (]) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the ] before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. ] (]) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::You could ask on ]. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
:::::::I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in ], making extra work for administrators. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected? ==
== Newbie: Hey and thanks in Advance... ==


Sorry if this is the wrong place. ] (]) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hiya, I'm @] and i'm new here - Greetings from Australia!


:@] Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. ] (]) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Thought I'd drop a little hello, I'd appreciate any feedback on recent drafts i've made as i'm always looking for further ways to continue to improve my content and personally I don't feel like i'm close to publishing my first wiki's just yet...


:], I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? ] (]) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @]. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either ] or ] ] (]) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Heyaaaaalol}} Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at ] but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set <code>wgEnableProtectionIndicators</code> to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. ] (]) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Multiple non-free album covers on one page ==
My main focus is uploading public information on notable people and professions as well as any other factual information I compile through my exploration of studies, books and my own profession.


For the album '']'', there's an associated EP located at the section '']''. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, ''Brunch''{{'}}s artwork (seen ) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a ] image in an infobox? ] (]) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hi ], I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like ]. Happy editing! ]]] 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
<nowiki>Thanks again, Yandy@</nowiki>
] (]) ] (]) 13:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


== afd ==
:Welcome to the Teahouse and to Misplaced Pages! I see that you have a few drafts in the works right now, but I have to say it's recommended that new editors start with editing existing articles first. This is so you get acquainted with Misplaced Pages's style, referencing, and so on. I definitely recommend reading through ] and our various help pages on references - in particular, note that most everything on Misplaced Pages has to be cited to a ]. This means that information you gather yourself in your profession is ''not'' appropriate to be added to Misplaced Pages, true as it may be. ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 13:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|SungYandy}} In the last few days you have started four drafts. I strongly recommend you set aside three and then work on what you think is the strongest one. Only after getting one approved should you then take what you learned about referencing and formatting to address the others. Otherwise, if you go ahead and submit four flawed drafts, you will be wasting reviewers' time. ] (]) 15:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it ] (]) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Eye-witness information on an article ==


:History checker ] (]) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
:If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: ] (maybe see also ]). Otherwise go to: ]. --] (]) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::This appears to be about ], which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. ] (]) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography? ==
I was looking at the article ] and saw there was a 'Reactions' section. I was reading an article on BBC news which contained a detailed eye-witness account of the bombing and there was one section which described the . Would an account like this from an eye-witness be suitable for that section or is it typically reserved for notable people who have reacted to the situation?


Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? ] (]) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks in advance ] (]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through ] with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. ] (]) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through ] and the editor should ] their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
:I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. ] is probably the closest to an example of this. ]]] 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as ]. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. ] (]) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
:By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in ]") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the ] for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
:b) No, ] and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "]" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
:c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
:d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather ]. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
:e) Have a look at ]. --] (]) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject? ==
:Hello {{u|SpicyTofuNoodles}},
:I think you are welcome to add this account to the article, but not in the "Reactions section". By my experience, this section is usually reserved for the views of certain individuals or groups ''with authority''. However, the "Mr Mahir" in the account is just a witness. His views and subsequent actions after the attack wouldn't create a notable impact.
:The source itself is considered reliable, since BBC news has published it. I think it will be fine if you cite the source in the body of the article, if you wish to describe the attack in more detail.
:I am not a Misplaced Pages pro, so I hope some other teahouse hosts could chip in on this.
:Cheers, --] (]) 14:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response. I was thinking that section was reserved for notable people or people with authority. There are other news articles from reputable outlets which have accounts from other witnesses too. I've taken a look at some similar articles and not really seen anything about eye witness accounts. The descriptions of the attacks tend to stay neutral and factual and don't include words like "devastating" etc.
::Would be good to get a Misplaced Pages professional's advice on this as these topics are very sensitive in nature. ] (]) 14:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::See ]; this eye witness account is essentially original material that is close to the event, and is written by someone who is directly involved by having witnessed said event. So it offers (only) an insider's view of the event, and I would be very cautious to include it in any article (there might be exceptions of course, viz the ]. ] (]) 15:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::@] The BBC seems to have focused on the "doomsday scenes" aspect of the comments of the eye-witness. This is clearly just an opinion and it seems a phrase that would fail Misplaced Pages's ]. Had the witness said something specific like "I saw three male attackers" then that would be more acceptable as article content but still a ] source. ] (]) 15:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks Michael, really appreciate the quick and detailed response! I'll keep note of what you said if I decide to make any edits of that nature in the future. ] (]) 15:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. ] (]) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Mass Add Pages to Watchlist ==


:Hello @]! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the ] on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use ] to tag it as well. ''']''' (]) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Is there any way (other than manually with much clicking) to add every linked page on a page to my watchlist? ] (]) 14:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


:: Thank you for the help! I've added the {{tlx|Template:COI}} to the page in question (]) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{tlx|Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. ] (]) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any way to do that. Curious as to the reason you want to do that? ] (]) 15:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help ''']''' (]) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Preferences > Watchlist > Edit Raw Watchlist And as per 331dot above. Why? it sounds a bit ]y - ] (]) 16:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hi ] although not adding it to your watchlist, a useful alternative is to go to the relevant page, click "related changes", then save that as a favourite so you can bring it up with one click. This has the advantage that when you don't want to follow those links any longer you just delete the related changes link, rather than having to manually unlink them all from the watchlist. - ] (]) 16:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I find Misplaced Pages a nice diversion from the daily grind, and like keeping abreast of edits to pages within specific domains I'm interested in. I don't think ] describes any past, current or future behaviors or edits I would engage in -- feel free to look through my history as regards that. ] (]) 16:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::I don't see a problem with that, ]. I use the "related changes" trick to track vandals who attack certain subject areas. It also works with templates, which has the advantage that, if another page is added to the template, it automatically comes up in the related changes. - ] (]) 16:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


== Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown" ==
== Source check ==


i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! ] (]) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello. I am writing an article about a recent video game, and I need some help to make sure these sources are reliable enough to be included in this article, ]. Any constructive criticism is welcome. I am hoping this reaches GA status someday.


:Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Here are the sources I've found: <br/>
::False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. ] (]) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
1. https://raritysniper.com/news/goblintown-nft-art-takes-twitch-by-storm-in-only-up/ <br/>
::Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. ] (]) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
2. https://dappradar.com/blog/goblintown-viral-game-only-up-nft-trading-impact (this is a blog, which I'm <u>very</u> sure it's unreliable and an SPS) <br/>
3. https://guided.news/en/gaming/dayz-only-up-server-with-reward/ (this doesn't contain info about NFTs and their involvement in this game, but it lists an additional adaptation) <br/>
4. https://sportslumo.com/esports/only-up-in-fortnite-how-can-you-play-it/ (Fortnite adaptation) <br/>
5. https://www.binance.com/en/feed/post/649340 <br/>
6. https://nftplazas.com/goblintown-nft-collection-twitch/ <br/>
7. https://fagenwasanni.com/ai/veteran-fps-devs-form-new-studio-to-make-games-inside-fortnite/64370/ <br/> ] (]) (]) 19:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


== The show button doesn't work on phone ==
:@], Thank you for your question. To include these sources, make sure that they are reliable, secondary, and independent sources with no original research. And check if there is no copyright violation in your article as it might less likely be nominated for GA. Read ] ] <sup>(])</sup>/<sub>(])</sub> 20:20, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::I don't think it's very helpful to tell {{u|TrademarkedTarantula}} to "make sure that are reliable", {{u|ToadetteEdit}}, when their question is whether they're reliable! ] (]) 20:23, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::none of them are mentioned in the ], but i'm a bit iffy on considering binance reliable for reasons surprisingly unrelated to wikipedia
:::the rest, i'll check in an hour to be sure, because i haven't heard of them before
:::dappradar being a blog automatically disqualifies it though ]<small> • ] • ]</small> 20:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Blogs can be considered reliable for some claims if the author is a subject-matter expert (I'm not expressing a view on whether that's the case here). See ]. ] (]) 20:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::@], I've already checked the article for copyright violations using Earwig's Copyvio Detector, linked ] (]) (]) 20:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for the advice. I will cross off the sources as we go. ] (]) (]) 20:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:@]: {{welcometea}} I don't frequent there very often, but the regulars over at the ] may be better equipped to help you evaluate if those sources are considered reliable enough to be used for the encyclopedia. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 21:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Hi. Some articles have dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), happens. I don't know about desktop. ] (]) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== content + source check ==


:What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~] <small>(])</small> 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
hello! i am writing an article about a community arts center founded in the 70s. i am hoping to get any constructive criticism and feedback on the article before i submit it for official review. please find the page ]. Tempe Stewart ] 22:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
:I agree. If I look at ], I get that box (from template {{tl|expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
:However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
:This looks like a bug in the user interface: ] is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ] (]) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~] <small>(])</small> 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone? ==
:Hi @]! Which ] sources in the article do you think contribute to its notability? From a quick glance at the current sources, I'm not seeing anything that stands out as likely to count. Most are either ] or are just about events held at the center, which are not likely to count as ] of the center itself, since there's only minimal mention of the center itself. Best, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 22:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hi Sdkb! I believe the three sources below could be appropriate:
::1.Jones, Kellie (2017). ''South of Pico: African American Artists in Los Angeles in the 1960s and 1970s''. Duke University Press. p. 172. ] ].
::2. . ''www.oac.cdlib.org''. Retrieved 2023-07-25.
::'''(the above is an interview -- would interviews count as sources, even though they may not be considered independent sources?)'''
::3. "William Grant Still Art Center". ''LA Sentinel''. March 17, 2011. pp. A2.
::'''The above is a physical newspaper article. I've paused on adding citations as I also wanted to inquire about citation overkill, but if this citation would contribute to the article's notability then I will add it.''' Tempe Stewart ] 23:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::For the first source, I don't have access to it, but ] sources can count. What sort of discussion is there on page 172? If the entire page is about the arts center, giving its basic history, then that probably counts. If it's only an ] of the center in the course of a discussion about e.g. an exhibit held there, then it probably doesn't count.
:::For the second, interviews ], because they're primary rather than secondary sources.
:::For the last one, that looks promising, but again I'd need to see it to be sure. What sort of article is it? Does it have a reporter's byline, or is it just an event notice? Again, offline sources are permissible, but in practical terms, you'll have an easier time getting the article published to mainspace if you can find a link to it (maybe check Archive.org versions of the LA Sentinel's website from around the time it was published; I came up blank trying ] archives).
:::Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 00:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Memorywrker}}!
:Now that {{u|Sdkb}} is dealing with the sources, I am happy to give some feedback on the content and structure. I understand that it takes a lot to create a draft, so I thank you first for your effort put into this project. That being said–
:# Please do not list "WGSAC" in the title of the article. The title of this article, in my opinion, should be "William Grant Still Arts Center". The simpler, the better. You may put the abbreviation "WGSAC" in the lede section (the very first paragraph of the article) and bold it using <code><nowiki>'''</nowiki></code> marks.
:# You have created a list for the "Black Doll Show Exhibitions" and other exhibitions. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a database (see ] for more details). Long lists like this reduce the readability of the article and deviates the attention of the reader.
:# The entire "Educational Programs" section is unsourced. If you cannot find good sources for this part, please consider leaving it out.
:# Please use ] for the capitalization of the section headings (see ] for more details). For example, the section "The WGSAC Annual Black Doll Show" should be capitalized as "The WGSAC annual black doll show".
:# Please do not use <code><nowiki><big> </big></nowiki></code> for the section headings. I assume you didn't intend to–could this be from visual editing?
:# Similarly, please do not bold the section headings.
: You are off to a good start. Please be patient and have courage. If you're uncertain how to format something, please check ]. Regardless of the outcome of your review, I hope this is a helpful learning experience for you. Cheers, -- ] (]) 23:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".
== Create wikipedia page for non-profit ==


But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.
I want to create a wikipedia page for a non-profit organization I'm part of. Please let me know how can I do it without getting any issues. ] (]) 22:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


Look at for seeing the dotlines. ] (]) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], if by "part of" you mean "employed by", then read ]. Otherwise read ]. After that, see ] — the short of it is that if the nonprofit has not received significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it cannot have an article. Best, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 22:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::included in ] are the guidelines ] and ] which I strongly recommend you read as well (I know that's more reading material, but they're really important). Notability covers what topics can be covered (in your case, the ] subpage is also relevant and you may read that as well) and Reliable sources covers the kind of resources or websites you can use to back up the claims made in your article (which is required for just about every statement on Misplaced Pages). even if your organization does count under one of the notability criteria, it won't count unless there are reliable sources to back that claim up. happy editing! &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span> ] - 00:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I am a co-founder of the non-profit organization and wish to create a wikipedia page for the organization ] (]) 05:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi {{u|Ramaitha}}. As mentioned above by {{u|Sdkb}} and {{u|Melecie}}, whether an article can be created about your organization depends on whether it meets ], in particular ]. For some more information on this, I suggest you take a look at the essay ]. There's no real way to ]; so, unless your organization can be clearly shown to have received the kind of coverage discussed ], there's not chance of viable Misplaced Pages article being written about it. -- ] (]) 05:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::@] I note that two versions of your draft were speedily deleted on 10 July and again yesterday. I'm not an admin so I can't read them but I can say with some certainty that you have been trying to ] the Eco-Habitat Foundation rather than write in ] way about it. It's for that reason that we also discourage ] and regularly point out that ]. A brief Google of your organisation's name suggests to me that very little exists about it in reliable sources and you would therefore be best to stick to doing your good work and allow the world to take notice in due course, at which point some volunteer is likely to write about it on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 15:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


:That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Draft Article: Rachel Tugutu - Question ==
::Samsung devices with ] support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with ]. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Oh yeah ]. Abbr and friends use the standard ] for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be {{shrug}}. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at ] whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
:In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some ] someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one {{;)}}) --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::@], ], and ]: I couldn't find any such script, so ]. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~] <small>(])</small> 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@]: The latter. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Aminabzz}} Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~] <small>(])</small> 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== GA Spotcheck ==
Dear Sir/Madam,


Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? ] '''(])''' 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I was curious to know if the the whole draft met the requirement for the Misplaced Pages. I aIso wanted to make a follow-up on the article Rachel Tugutu to know if there's anything I should correct.
:Appears that at ], date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. ] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, that is why I am asking. ] '''(])''' 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], note 2 on the ] page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at ]. ]&nbsp;] 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::So it means Verifiable with no original research:
::it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
::reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
::it contains no original research; and
::it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? ] '''(])''' 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The '''note''' says {{tq| "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)."}} ]&nbsp;] 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? ] '''(])''' 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through ]. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. ]&nbsp;] 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. ] '''(])''' 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/ ==
- Thank you. ] (]) 03:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


I've been working on trying create an article (]) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.
:Hi @]. It appears you are trying to submit the draft ] for publication. To do that, place {{tlxs|Submit}} at the top of that page. You may then need to wait a while for it to be reviewed. Best, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 03:45, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:The draft is also very unlikely to be accepted if you do not demonstrate the ] of the subject. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 03:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:], the content of the draft must be based on ] and the draft must demonstrate ]. -- ] (]) 04:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::{{reply|Bleiomo}} I have placed a template at the top of the draft for you to submit it when it's ready. It is not ready, it needs substantial improvement in sourcing. See ] for guidance. Anything you cannot cite to a reliable source should be removed. ~] <small>(])</small> 04:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the clarification, I will go ahead and correct any errors before submitting it for the review. ] (]) 09:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info ]. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! ] (]) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Error Message while trying to upload a new article. ==


:@] Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. ] are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See ]. ]|] 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Can anyone help me resolve this error message? ⧼No stashed content found for 0/0d43e0c8-2f7e-11ee-9db0-c45ab19b09d4⧽ ] (]) 05:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, @]. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also ] ] (]) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] @] Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. ] (]) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol ] (]) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the '''Ride experience''' section of ]? ]&nbsp;] 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit ''everything'' inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! ] (]) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] ] is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at . ] ] 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


== How do i delete a Wikepedia page? ==
:@], hmm, I'm not sure exactly what might cause that message. Have you gotten it multiple times? And what are you doing/trying to do when you get it? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>]</sup> 05:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::I am trying to publish a new article- -- Draft creation using the ] -- Created an article on Elle Blink.
::This is the exact error message ⧼No stashed content found for 0/0d43e0c8-2f7e-11ee-9db0-c45ab19b09d4⧽
::Yes, I have gotten it multiple times. ] (]) 05:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|Joshbonat2580}}. Where are you trying to upload this content? If this has anything to do with the deleted ], that was overtly promotional content. Promotional activity is simply not allowed on Misplaced Pages, so do not try again. ] (]) 08:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::However, while Cullen's advice is good, the error you are getting is a technical one, and nothing to do with the content of your draft. If it keeps happening, ask about it on ]. But, as Cullen says, it is a waste of time trying to submit (or even save) promotional content. ] (]) 09:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools
== Greetings ==


Hi There, I didn't logged in long time, but from now I'll try to be more active :) Zoltan ] (]) 06:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC) how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. ] (]) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:] is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the ] process. What you added to ] was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See ] for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also ], but that has its own problems. ] (]) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, Thanks! ] (]) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See ] for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. ] (]) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. ] (]) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Hi! PARIS ==
:Hello, Zoltan, and welcome back. Is there some help you are looking for? ] (]) 10:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the ]. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. ] (]) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Cited website hijacked ==
:On the AoPS Wiki go to ]. I don't know bout wikipedia tho ] (]) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry its ] ] (]) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Bonsoir, IP user.
:73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the ] function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to ].
:However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
:I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @], was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space ''again'' by @].
:Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
:I am finding it very difficult to ]. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ] (]) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. ] (]) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== AoPS page ==
I have noticed that nevada-history.org has been hijacked, and it's used for a few citations. Should we just add the archive-url parameter and mark the url as dead, or something else? ] (]) 06:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:@]: {{welcometea}} It'd be best marked as <code><nowiki>usurped</nowiki></code>. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 06:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::@] Does that mean "url_status=usurped"? ] (]) 06:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Yep. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 06:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks! ] (]) 06:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Why isn't there a page for ]? ] (]) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== Millac Foods ==
: Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet ] and was either deleted altogether or added to ]. ''{{no redirect|Art of Problem Solving}}'' current ]s to the "Rusczyk" article and its ] shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per ]. If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is {{u|Liz}}. Perhaps by asking at ], Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- ] (]) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS? ==
Hi. Is there anyone here who can check and review ]? The page was created over a month ago. Any feedback is much appreciated. Thank you. ] (]) 06:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? ] (]) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @], that article is in ] so not sure what you need reviewing? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 09:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::On 26 June you moved the draft from your Sandbox to Mainspace, thus bypassing the AfC review process. As a new article, this will now be reviewed by New Pages Patrol (]). NPP will either accept, revert to draft for more work, or Speedy delete the article. Only after a NPP review (or 90 days if a NPP reviewer does not get to it), will the article be moved so that search engines such as Google can find it when a search is conducted on Millac Foods. ] (]) 09:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:In the meantime, Stkhiz, I advise you to look at each of your sources and consider whether they meet ]. I've only looked at the first few, but I see that the second one does not even mention Millac, and so I cannot see any possible reason for citing it. The first, third, and fourth all have no author credited, and the language used leaves me in little doubt that they are based on promotional material from Millac. They are therefore is not ], and does nothing to demonstrate the that company meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for ]. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in ].
:I also observe that every single edit you have made since you created your account (apart from this one) has been to your draft, which immediately makes me suspect that you have a ]. Please clarify whether you have a relationship with Millac Foods. ] (]) 09:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, ] (]) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Uploading image of 1980 postage stamp ==


== How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages? ==
I am trying to upload image of File:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png which is a postage stamp but am having trouple. The stamp commenorates the opening of the line in 1830. ----] (]) 07:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. ] (]) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:File:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png


:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read ], and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (]), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, ] (]) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Image:LMR Piggyback Carriage Truck.png
:Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. ] (]) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|MountVic127}}. When uploading an image of a postage stamp, you need to first verify the copyright status of the specific stamp. Which country issued the stamp? In what year? For example, stamps published by the U.S. Post Office before 1971 are in the public domain and are therefore free of copyright restrictions. Stamps issued by the reorganized U.S. Postal Service after that date are copyright protected and cannot be uploaded as free images. Instead, such uploads must meet the stringent ] for images. Each country has its own copyright standards. Non-free images cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, but must be uploaded (if acceptable) locally on English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 08:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, MountVic127, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have successfully uploaded the image to ], but you have not provided the required copyright status, so it will shortly be deleted unless you do.
:Unfortunately, ] makes it clear that such stamps may not be uploaded to Commons. As Cullen says, if you can establish that the use meets all the criteria of the ], then you may upload it to Misplaced Pages (not Commons) as non-free content; but I think it is unlikely that a commemorative stamp will meet criterion #8. ] (]) 10:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


== "Series of small edits" ==
: I have made some progress by finding the link to '''File:'''


I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: , , ) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a ] I am currently engaged in? ] (]) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Different languages ​​in articles ==


:Well, there's ], which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
Hello folks,
:The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
I'm new here and have a beginner question. If I edit an article in English but it has several languages, should I tend to try to apply the changes in the other languages ​​as well or do the native wiki users of the country do it themselves? ] (]) 07:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
:Hello, {{u|Aritonoko}}. Each language version of Misplaced Pages is its own autonomous project with its own policies and guidelines, although there are similarities. There is no expectation that an English Misplaced Pages editor will make edits in other versions. On the other hand, if you speak other languages well enough, you are welcome to also contribute in those languages. But it is not required. Another thing to keep in mind is that they are language versions, not country or national versions. Far more people speak Portuguese in Brazil than in Portugal, just as far more people speak English in the United States than in England. There are competent English speakers in every country on earth, and they are all welcome to edit the English Misplaced Pages, within policies and guidelines. ] (]) 08:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello @]
::Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "{{tq|Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter}}", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? ] (]) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you so much for your prompt and informative response! I really appreciate your clarification about each language version of Misplaced Pages being its own autonomous project with its own policies and guidelines. I'll definitely keep that in mind while contributing.
:::The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. ] (]) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::I do speak a few other languages, so I'll try to contribute in those languages as well when I feel comfortable doing so. But as you mentioned, it's good to know that it's not expected of me.
::::You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
::Also, your point about language versions, not being country or national versions, is well taken. I'll be sure to remember that too.
::::If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. ] (]) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Once again, thank you for your guidance. I look forward to being a part of this wonderful community and contributing positively.
:::::Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. ] (]) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Best regards, ] (]) 08:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::There is not. ]&nbsp;] 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Aritonoko}} If you got a mind to, you could also pitch in at ]. Help always appreciated. ] (]) 11:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. ] (]) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- ] (]) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Renaming an article == == Political Party Relations ==


Just like how we have ], should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.
So I heard ] rebranded itself as "Laurel Park School". Do I need to rename the article to reflect that change? ] (]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Mox Eden}} Yes, it should be moved to the new name. You can do this by using the "Move" function under "More". You can read more about this at ]. However, before doing this, I would add some more information about the change of school name first. ''']''' <sup>(] &#124; ])</sup> 08:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC) :Hi ], that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at ]. ]]] 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll do that, thanks. ] '''(])''' 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Do you have a reliable source for this? The Broomfield School website says nothing about a change of name, and the website for Laurel Park School says it doesn't open until September. Please discuss this on the article talk page, include reliable sources, and gain concensus. ]|] 08:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


== Freedom of Panorama Inquiries ==
== Dear comrades {{p}} ==


This is regarding the article ]. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate ] and ] rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. ] (]) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Whoever is reading, ''']''' Read everything and do the honour for me because Mr. Joseph has refused to do so. I've always been taught for my mistakes and I feel that other editors (whoever they are) should be taught too if they're doing something they aren't supposed to do. — ] ] 09:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


:Hi ]. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under ] which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also ]). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
:Hello, AKSHADEV. You might have more luck in getting help if you gave us some clue what you are talking about and where to "read everything". (I could probably find it by looking through your contributions, but, as a volunteer here, I don't feel particularly motivated to do so). If you want people to help you, please help them to do so. ] (]) 10:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a ] is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. ]]] 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::@], from what I understand of this, @] is saying that @] (courtesy pinging for discussion regarding them) is obligated to warn Shaan Sengupta ({{diff|diff=1167010576|label=diff}}) and SilverLocust ({{diff|diff=prev|oldid=1166718815|label=diff}}) for making ] formatting changes which Akshadev did in a different talk page but was warned for ({{diff|diff=prev|oldid=1168310234|label=diff}}) because they believe it's unfair for Akshadev to get warned while Shaan and Silver don't. &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span> ] - 11:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hi {{u|Justiyaya}}, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! ] (]) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{outdent}} {{ping|melecie}} You got it right! Respect for you (wholeheartedly). {{ping|ColinFine}} dear editor, If you don't feel motivated to help me out, it's absolutely fine. Thanks for your kind words. Have a great time! — ] ] 11:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::@] I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. ] would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D ]]] 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], I (somewhat) understand your frustrations, but no editor is obligated to warn for every transgression they see, and a lack of warning other editors is not an endorsement of their behavior. In my humble opinion, your response on your talk page and especially this post on the Teahouse are quite inappropriate. ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 15:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance {{u|Justiyaya}}, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! ] (]) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Wpscatter}} I aslo (somewhat) understand that my response could have been inappropriate but my only point is that I feel like I'm the one being warned for my mistakes and the others aren't. Anyway I know it's pointless to pointing things out, I'll be careful with my behaviours/responses. Have a great time! — ] ] 15:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Now I'm feeling good. {{ping|Wpscatter}} Thanks for your kind words. {{ping|melecie}} Thanks for understanding what I meant (even though I briefly explained). If I face any problem in future, I will consider discussing them with you first {{p}}. Wishing you both a great time! '''शुभरात्रि (ShubhRātri, means goodnight in ])''' — ] ] 16:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


== Is adding a TV episode summary always a net good? == == Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages? ==


According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?
I'm struggling with this question because it seems initially silly to me, but I assume and hope there's no stupid questions here. I haven't found a clearly legible answer in ], but that may be my reading error. One of my most frequent uses of WP as a casual user has been looking at TV episode summaries mid-episode, especially if I need to pause and resume at a later time. For many shows I've watched, I find that episode summaries are not available for any season. I've wondered many times if adding a summary myself (when I feel confident about the content, of course) is the right course of action. I usually question it in the following circumstances, which can overlap: 1) There are no other episode summaries available. 2) I have not seen the full season. 3) The TV show is an adaptation of source material I'm not familiar with. 4) I can't commit to writing summaries for a full season and can only write for one episode. SO: Should I write them anyway and hope for the best? Is a sole summary among a full season without them too disorienting/confusing for readers? Am I way overthinking this? Thanks :^) ] (]) 10:31, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:Anything is better than nothing. Just stick to the guidelines about them, especially the main one, that it must be written in your own words and not copy and pasted from a TV guide. Close paraphrasing is also a big no-no. As regards point 3 above: You don't need to know the source material.Your episode summary should be based wholly on what you saw in the episode. You're not writing a review. Other than that, just do it. - ] (]) 12:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:@] There is useful guidance at ]. Note especially the bit in the box at the top about ''policy''. ] (]) 15:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


More information:
== I need help with an figure I uploaded ==
The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked . It also gave me a link to . ] (]) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @{{u|Q-bit array}} without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor ]. Usually appeals without talk page access go through ] but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. ]]] 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
]
::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. ] (]) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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::Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? ] (]) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello again, @] I think the relevant section is ]. ] (]) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. ] (]) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. ] (]) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! ] (]) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I messaged one of the stewards . Thank you for helping me find where to ask! ] (]) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Notice of geological updates ==
I created a figure using TikZ, but I couldn't remove the ]. Would you mind helping me ? ] (]) 11:40, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a , compared to the , that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.
:Hello, SilverMatsu, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you look at ]. ] (]) 11:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see
::Thank you for the advice. Thanks to you, I fixed an figure. --] (]) 14:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
]). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — ] (]) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hi ], thank you for your question. ] would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D ]]] 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Regarding creating page for the company I work ==


== Request to Update Image ==
Hi team, I have a query regarding one thing. Currently I joined in a company as the social media manager. My first task is to create a wikipedia page by searching the relevant sources from articles. But my doudt is if I login from my company wifi to my wikipedia account will there be any ban. Because multiple users tried to login from this wifi. Can any one help me how to make my account safe from ban while connecting to the company wifi.


I noticed that the current image used at ] is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.
Also is there any issue if I create a wikipedia page for the company I joined. I will create it by following all tge rules and by providing reliable sources I get. ] (]) 12:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to
:Hi @].
"Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.
:Please firstly follow the instructions at ] immediately. It is '''highly discouraged''' from creating an article in which you have a clear ], as it is likely you won't be able to create the article from a ].
:You should also read ] which explains why having an article about your company may not be a good thing: please remember that ] for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. Misplaced Pages is not a social media site like Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn.
:Once you have read all that, you need to read ] in detail. All subjects on Misplaced Pages must pass the notability threshold, detailed in that link. Only organisations that meet the criteria set out there can have a Misplaced Pages article.
:If you are absolutely sure that your organisation passes the strict notability criteria, you can then create a draft article via the ] process.
:Let us know if you have any more specific questions, hope that helps. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 12:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::And to answer your original question, @], as long as you have a registered user account (you do) then you should be fine logging in on company WiFi. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 12:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I understand that. But kindly note that I will create the page as per my findings and the reliable sources I get. They asked me whether its possible to create the article. There are some intresting facts of there success and i will add the article as per the sources I get. Any way I will go through the articles you shared regarding the paid service and act accordingly. Thanks for the response ] (]) 13:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Hello, Paavamjinn. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in ]. ] (]) 17:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Thanks.. ] (]) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Misplaced Pages Police Department ==


:Hi ], welcome to the teahouse! Although the image ] is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. ]]] 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Does it exist? ] (]) 13:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood ] (]) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Ayohama}} I'd hold off in trying to use ] or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by ] until the claims of "]" can be verified by ]. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with ]. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per ] and in such cases ] needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- ] (]) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{u|Ayohama}}, even if the issues that {{u|Marchjuly}} describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. ] (]) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) {{tpq|I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first}}. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. ] (]) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement ] (]) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Agree with you ] (]) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct ] (]) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Ayohama}} The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the ] added to each file's page will be changed to ] by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- ] (]) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max ] (]) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::According to ], more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. ] (]) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::] claims of "own work" are now verified by ]. If you want, you can go ahead and place the ] under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. ] (]) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft ==
:Not that I know of. ] (]) 13:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:You might be looking for ] ] (]) 13:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::Yes, thank you! ] (]) 13:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::We also have an arbitration committee for extreme cases. ] (]) 21:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::@] Actually, ] would be the correct place to go to report a wikicrime (repeated breaches of our rules). ] is a higher level up, but, as you correctly say, it is indeed reserved for the extreme cases. ] (]) 21:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::With no idea what the crime would be, I would caution taking something to ]. It seems to work great for stuff like vandalism, but also seems to be very ineffective for any type of complex issue. ] (]) 06:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I'd recommend taking a look at ] if you need help from admins. ] (]) 07:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


Hello! I submitted a draft for ] but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! ] (]) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Can't read talk page ==
:{{u|Sammy Tremlinn}}, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. ] (]) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! ] (]) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be ]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== New page ==
I added a question to ] and then thought of reading the talk page to see if the answer was already given or implied. I stayed reading down the long list of comments, but when I navigated to another page, probably the article, I couldn't get back to the talk page to read it: I only got brief lists of maybe the last 5 modifications, all of them iirc changes of status, not actual Talk comments. Even after many tries, I haven't been able to see the Talk page itself. Help, please.


Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. ] (]) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
] (]) 14:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


:Hello. You can go to ], but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new '''article''', but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the ] to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent ] to summarize in an article, and review the ] to see if this business meets it(most do not).
:@] According to your contribution history, the comment you added was at ], not ]. Both links work perfectly well for me. ] (]) 14:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see ] and ]. ] (]) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ahh, thanks!
::Articles about companies need to comply with ] and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. ] (]) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::] (]) 14:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


== Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album ==
== Misplaced Pages Points? ==


Hello, Hello,


This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, ]. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. ] (]) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:], I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- ] (]) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's '']'' 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) ] (]) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi ], in that article, ] that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D ]]] 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::These are my sources (and titles):
::::"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
::::"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
::::"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
::::"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
::::"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "]" music video
::::Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those ] (]) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @]. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. ] (]) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered ]. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:I suggest to wait till release too ] (]) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon ==
I recently noticed that in my ], on each contribution I made there are numbers in green brackets or numbers in red brackets. What do they mean? ] (]) 14:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice.
:@] They are the size in bytes that you added (green) or removed (red) in your edit. The value can even be 0. The same numbers appear on ] where there's an explanatory box on the right. ] (]) 14:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
This is the german article: Judith Kakon. ] (]) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:This is how many bytes your edit has added (green) or removed (red) from the article. You can hover over the "points" and see the bytes. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:@]@]
:Thank you! ] (]) 14:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::<sup>Though I'd rather like it if they were karmatic points a lá ...</sup> <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::😀 ] (]) 14:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::That does not sound too good to me, {{u|Qcne}}. The folks on that show were in hell and I'm pretty sure in hell you can only edit contentious articles on mobile.
:::Oh and also, {{u|Myrealnamm}} try hovering over the letters next to the bytes too. Those letters beside the edits are abbreviations to show new pages, bot edits, minor edits, etc. ] (]) 05:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::@] Hi, Do you mean the diff and hist? I tried hovering over them but nothing showed up. Is it because that no bots, minor edits, etc. edited the article after I edited? Also what does diff and hist mean? ] (]) 14:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


:@] It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's ]. Please read ] and ]. ]'']'' 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== How to cite different times of the same audio visual document without creating a new reference? ==
::] has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. ] (]) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey @]
:It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:
:1. Improving the Original Article: The ] you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
:- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
:- Including details about her important works or achievements.
:2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
:- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (]).
:- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
:- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
:3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the ] for details on how to do this properly.
:4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
:- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
:- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.
:- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
:If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. ] (]) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Last aired date in the future ==
For written documents, you have templates like these: <ref name=refname>{{cite book | title=Book Title}}</ref>{{Rp|p=10}} or {{r|refname|p=10}}. They let you point to a different page of the same document without creating a new reference each time, but I can't seem to find an equivalent that would let me point to different times of the same audio or video document. Thanks in advance for your help. ] (]) 14:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


This article revison ] has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? ] (]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi Redacwiki! Maybe use <code><nowiki>{{sfn}}</nowiki></code> and specify the <code>loc</code> parameter? ] (]) 14:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:@] The template {{tl|rp}} takes any text as its parameter, so you can use it just the same way: {{rp|5min. 3 sec.}}, for example. ] (]) 14:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:I used {{template|rp}} like Mike suggested above for the article ], e.g <ref name=vid>Video</ref>{{rp|3:09}} and <ref name=vid/>{{rp|8:21}}. I'm not sure if there's any other method better fit for this purpose. ] (]) 15:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, I wasn't sure it was authorized as the template explicitly refers to pages, but I'll do that. Thanks everyone.
:] (]) 23:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::@] Just for clarity in case others read this thread, the template documentation at {{tl|rp}} says {{tq|Other in-source-location information can also be used for non-numeric pages, for example: "f. 29", "A7", and "back cover", etc., '''and can also be used for non-paginated sources, e.g., "0:35:12" for a video source.'''}} (my emphasis). ] (]) 10:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
{{talkref}}


:See ] - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. ] (]) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== my article was declined after necessary corrections ==


== How do I clean up formatting of tables? ==
hello, please i am confused why this article was declined after correcting all i was asked too. ] ] (]) 16:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{reply|Asiwanju}} You should ask the reviewer, but looking it over, I would say that your sources don't provide significant coverage, or they are interviews. Therefore, they do not comply with the ] requirements. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:48, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::thank you. I would glad, if we can work on this article together. for better understanding and mentorship. thank you ] (]) 00:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::@] ] (]) 00:14, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::{{reply|Asiwanju}} See ]. Sorry, I have no interest in that article subject. When it has failed to be approved so many times under different titles, it is likely not worth spending more effort on it. Some article topics are simply not suitable. ~] <small>(])</small> 00:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::@] Thank you. I would still want to come under your mentorship on this space. to improve and enhance my abilities here. ] (]) 00:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{reply|Asiwanju}} I have no time to mentor anyone. Please see ] for a list of people willing to be mentors. ~] <small>(])</small> 01:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


On the ] article, the ''Rankings'' section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? ] (]) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== Question about User Talk ==
:I solved it by removing those images:) ] (]) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan ==
Hi, everyone! I hope you are all doing well as you read this post. By the way, this is regarding my ]. I was just wondering if I could delete the old tags on my user talk? I just want to keep things tidy. That's all.


I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? ] (]) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Another thing is about the page I created before for Athena Vas. Initially, it was reviewed by @], but it was moved back to draft due to COI. After the resubmission, it got declined. As per the editor, Athena Vas has ''not yet shown to meet notability guidelines.'' I believe she has, as she was named the grand winner of ]. Please review and advise. Thank you. ] (]) 16:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
*That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at ], ]. Are you asking about ]? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. ] (]) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
**@] I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
***Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
****In that case, ], you're talking about ] and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over ], and good luck! ] (]) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages ==
:{{reply|Bmjc98}} You can remove whatever you want from your talk pages with some exceptions listed in ]. It is preferred that you archive old discussions (and there is an automated bot that can do this for you), but you can simply delete things. See ].
:As for ], winning a romantic partner in a TV show doesn't strike me as legitimate claim of notability. Her work as an actress might make her notable if any of the criteria in ] are met. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:57, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hi! Thank you for responding to my post. I'll check these pages later. Please don't remove this thread yet for later's reference. Also, I really thought being a part of a TV show can make someone notable, especially if the person wins. Just like to the ones I previously wrote: ], ], and ]. Anyway, thanks again. ] (]) 17:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|Bmjc98}}. Being part of a TV show makes someone notable ''only if'' their participation results in several reliable, fully independent sources devoting significant coverage to the performer. There are countless participants on reality TV shows who are not notable. ] (]) 17:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Okay. I understand. The sources I have for Athena are mostly in Greek. If you could review it, that would be much appreciated. Thank you. ] (]) 22:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::{{tq|1=Please don't remove this thread yet for later's reference}}<br>Sections that haven't been responded in two or three days will be automatically archived by a bot. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 19:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much. ] (]) 22:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? ] (]) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== How to find the source of lint errors? ==
:Hello @]. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you @] for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! ] (]) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Writer or Screenwriter? ==
What is the usual procedure for finding what is causing lint errors in an article? ] (]) 20:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife ]) and producer. Since there are other ] articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. ] (]) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Lint errors? ] (]) 21:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:], "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- ] (]) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::@], they're referring to ]. &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span> ] - 21:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Do you have software for lint errors? ] (]) 21:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC) :(writer) seems OK to me too ] (]) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Great. Thanks all. ] (]) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@] Please read the ] information page already indicated by Melecie. That includes information on some bots which work on these errors and also how the individual errors are logged, categorised and prioritised for attention. ] (]) 10:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== How can the title to an article be changed? == == What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services? ==


I wrote an article that was an article requesting to be created. However, the complete subject matter would necessitate changing the title of the article. It is a biography, and the person's main career was much different than the career in the original request for article creation. ] (]) 23:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC) How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. ] (]) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at ] or ] noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . ''']''' (]) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse, ]. I'm confused whether you are talking about one of the two articles you have personally created, or something your requested to be created, but have not worked on yourself. Either way, we can move articles to better-fitting titles if needs be, so it's not a big issue. You would need to be more explicit and give us a link if you wanted more detailed advice, I fear. I hope this helps a bit. ] (]) 00:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (''please'' do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
::Thanks. I am glad to learn how to change the title before creating a new article.
:* The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
::Here is the article that I am working on...I was a requested article about a lyricist.
:* The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
::However, he had made a drastic change in careers:
:* The article was created or heavily modified by a ], which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
::] ] (]) 00:06, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:* The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
:::I will move it to a new title. Again, thanks! ] (]) 00:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:* The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is ]. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider ].
:::I am not sure how to move the article to a new title. I would think the following would be a better title, though:
:* The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
:::Michael P. Grace II (songwriter, Broadway producer, and oil and gas producer) ] (]) 00:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:* The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
::::Hello Starlighsky and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Sorry to say this but per ], I believe that said title would be too detailed. — ''']''' {] • ]} (she/her) 01:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:* The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
::::The name used for the portion before parenthesis (the disambiguator) should be the name he's most-known by; unless the P. and/or II are often used in sources, it should just be Michael Grace. If the title before the disambiguator is not ambiguous with any other article, the disambiguator should be dropped. For example, there's no ] article, so if that were the name he was most commonly referred to by, there should be no disambiguator. Alternatively, there is a ] article, so if that is the name he's most commonly referred to by, there needs to be one.
:* The subject likely doesn't meet the ] but has been ]ed to give the appearance that it does.
::::Disambiguators are supposed to be as concise as possible, not descriptive, and the one picked should be the thing they're most known for. This is a more complex case (I don't really know what he'd be most-known for), but I'd probably go with (musician) here, per ]; there are many naming conventions at hand for specific topics, and it can be hard to keep track of them, but the navbox at {{tl|Naming conventions}} has a good index of specific naming conventions.
:* The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is ].
::::Hopefully that was helpful. <span style="background-color: black">] ] ]</span> 02:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:* The subject is not written about in ]. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
:::::Thanks. As I understand it, he could be Michael P. Grace ll. Many references use that name. ] (]) 03:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards {{u|TNM101}} suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. <b>]</b> ] 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Would I have to create a new article to use that name? He started his career as a lyricist, but spent most of his like running a business that had nothing to do with music. ] (]) 03:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::@]@] I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. ] (]) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::There's a move button – I think it's on the right side under Tools in Vector 2022 (the default look for Misplaced Pages), and if you've switched back to the old look (Vector 2010), it'll be in a dropdown menu near the top under More. <span style="background-color: black">] ] ]</span> 03:47, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. ''']''' (]) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks. ] (]) 04:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a ]. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are ]); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). <b>]</b> ] 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::You can change the title of an article by moving it; see ]. However, I would be more concerned about improving the referencing of the article rather than worrying about the title. Right now the article has 16 references but as far as I can see, not a single one of them contributes to the notability of the subject. If there are no better sources available, the article should probably be deleted. See ] and ] to learn about what types of sources are needed. ] (]) 03:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I am working on the references. The person did create a Broadway hit as a producer and songwriter which helped African Americans in the entertainment industry. Harry Belafonte was a main character in a 1950s production that made fun of politics and the "red scare". I am working on the article as time permits. I am doing the best I can. ] (]) 04:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Hello, Starlighsky. I'm afraid that "I am working on the references" is a sure sign that you have written the article ] (as most inexperienced editors do), and made your task much much harder thereby.
:::::::::Note also that what a person has done has little directly to do with what we call ] for the purposes of Misplaced Pages: what matters is what has been published ''about'' the person. Obviously if somebody has done memorable things it is more likely that they have been written about, but it is the job of the editor writing an article to find those ] sources. ] (]) 16:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I added the references. There were published reference before, and I recently added more now that I had the time. The notability was written about, especially in terms of the Broadway production and the music, of which some was written with famous composers of that time:
::::::::::] ] (]) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


Deep thanks to ] for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that ] is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. ] (]) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Question about redirects ==
This is a problem I'm having with ], but I'm asking here since it's just a general wiki question.


:Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? ] (]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Why isn't <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT ]</nowiki></code> a valid redirect? It shows up as a numbered list. The link itself is valid, so are templates just not supported in redirects?


== Improving a page through including my own research ==
Is there/should there be a ] ticket about this? <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">]</span> <sup>] • ]]</sup> 00:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:
: {{re|QuickQuokka}} According to ] "Note that the redirect link must be explicit – it cannot contain magic words, templates, etc." ] (]) 01:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.
== Several hours of input that has been almost completely deleted ==


'''Goldschmied, N.''', Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. ''Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.''
The list of aircraft displayed at the Wings over the Rockies Air & Space Museum at Lowry airfield is terribly lacking, particularly in the civil section, and I have tried to complete it since I visited in April, and have a widely aviation knowledge. For each addition I generally used the 'own observation' reason, but for whatever reason you have taken them down. I also completed existing entries where tail numbers were lacking.
I am terribly disappointed, but am willing to try again if I know where I am going wrong. For the most part I have photographic evidence. Better still, you could possibly restore what you have deleted.
Thank you
Alan Lathan ] (]) 02:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Alan Lathan. Thank you for trying to improve Misplaced Pages, but your "own observation" contributions are a classic violation of ], one of Misplaced Pages's three core content policies. Our content ''must'' summarize what reliable, independent published sources say. Personal observations are not permitted here. I believe that you probably have wide aviation knowledge, but that gives you no special privileges. Any anonymous editor could claim to be both a neurosurgeon and and an astrophysicist, and how could anyone check? All that matters here on Misplaced Pages is an editor's ability to reference and summarize published reliable sources. As for the photos, you can upload your own photos to ] under a free license and then add them to the article. ] (]) 02:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::The article in question is ]. Alan Lathan, I see that you added a (no pun intended) comment to that article. I am sorry, but that is not appropriate. Articles must be written from the ], another core content policy. Jokes and personal observations and personal commentary do not belong in Misplaced Pages articles. ] (]) 02:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Cullen328}} I must quibble with one point. ''Objective'' personal observations, verifiable by anyone, are not original research. ]. Going through an aircraft museum and recording tail numbers is no different than going to a library to verify something. Facts like tail numbers are verifiable by anyone who goes to the same museum, as other facts are verifiable by going to a library and looking up a publication that isn't online. If an observation of a fact clearly demonstrates the cited source is wrong, then that source should not be cited. Verifiability is what matters, not the manner of how something is verified. ~] <small>(])</small> 05:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::To say that I disagree would be an understatement, {{u|Anachronist}}. Misplaced Pages relies on summarizing what reliable, '''published''' sources say. The recollections of an individual Misplaced Pages editor who visited a museum earlier today or earlier this decade are of no value, except to the extent that they motivate the editor to search for actual reliable sources. I am a devoted museum attender. If I was a troll, I could add a claim to my own observations that some small town art museum displays two Van Goghs and three Picassos, and a spectacular da Vinci. Should our readers place any confidence whatsover in such an assertion referenced to my personal observations? Of corse not, but you are arguing that they should. Notable museums publish catalogs, which are reliable sources for items in their collections. Notable museums attract coverage from reliable, independent sources that describe items in their collections. No contested text content that is not referenced to reliable sources should appear in this encyclopedia. ] (]) 06:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::I agree with a lot of what you say though your museum piece is a straw man. Walking through a museum to take tail numbers is very different to *claiming* ownership of a Picasso. It may be that the tail number information is not recorded anywhere else. We have a duty to consider how to be accurate and realistic. ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 06:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::True does not mean verified. Misplaced Pages requires the latter. ] (]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::Things need to be true ''and verifiable'' insofar as they are ''published''. Sending people to said museum to "see for themselves" that it is correct is ''not'' acceptable. Things need to be verifiable by checking ''reliable published sources''. In this case, ] may not strictly be required, so if the museum lists the aircraft, on say, its own website, that's the kind of stuff that is ''usually'' OK to use as a ] for such an article, but it needs to be verifiable ''somewhere'' published. --]] 16:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{reply|Cullen328}} {{reply|David notMD}} {{reply|Jayron32}} I think you're all taking an unnecessarily narrow view of the meaning of "published" and "verifiable". The manufacturer of the aircraft ''published'' the tail numbers on the aircraft. They are ''verifiable'' by anyone who goes to the museum to look at them. Misplaced Pages's requirements are therefore met. Verifiable sources are emphatically ''not'' required to be available online. It isn't unreasonable for verification to require a visit to a museum. This is no different from verifying something published in a hard-to-find book available in a particular library (which I have done in the past). The OP's edit we're discussing is a ] situation, it would have been completely uncontroversial if he had taken pictures of each aircraft and uploaded them along with the edits. ~] <small>(])</small> 17:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


Thanks,
== DOD retry ==


Nadav Goldschmied
Help? (the following is a re-try of a prior inquiry)
There is a Finnish language Wiki article about , Jallu Honkonen. For now the only thing I wanted to edit is his Date of Death. It’s January 3 1969, NOT May 3 1969. I know he died in January because I attended his funeral. An obituary from the Fitchburg(MA) Sentinel Enterprise will support this. But I can’t seem to access an editable English version and I myself don’t read/speak Finnish. ] (]) 04:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


:hi @] and welcome to the teahouse! unforrunately different languages of Misplaced Pages are separate projects and not just a single unified project where English is the main source and all other languages translate its articles, so not everything that has an article in another language also has one in English, and Honkonen may mot have an article here at all. this also means that other wikis may have their own policies from sourcing different from that in English Misplaced Pages, so we cannot really help you with editing that wiki. happy editing! &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span> ] - 04:47, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Pinging @], a native Finnish speaker who offered to help you before. @], do you have a reliable source for the DOD? One of the obituaries you mentioned, perhaps? ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 05:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the ping, @]. I actually tried looking into this the last time, but couldn't find a definitive source. The sv.wiki article cites a Finnish not-entirely-RS which gives May as the DOD; even the Finnish National Library goes by this , by way of Misplaced Pages (!). So I think the onus is on anyone wanting to argue otherwise to produce evidence which trumps that source. -- ] (]) 05:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the input. So…. You mentioned proof, right? Ummmm…. You see the first time I went through this I thought I had provided enough evidence with SSDI records showing this person had died in January 1969. I also mentioned the same obituary source I did in this second request. {It would seem apparently that was the “wrong” thing to do, as one of your “colleagues?” said I shouldn’t share personal information …(Mr Honkonen was my grandfather) and redacted the data} So I find myself at an impasse. It would seem that if I am able to access the aforementioned obituary and post it as the proof you need the same thing would happen. Any new hints?
:::
:::AND ….. I mean I '''was''' at his funeral. At 13 y/o it was my first …. something one doesn’t easily forget. ] (]) 13:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::@], I'm not sure what information you provided before, but as long as the information you provide is publicly available (and therefore ]) it should be fine. Citing an obituary from a newspaper, for example. Note that you don't necessarily have to find a source that exists online. I don't know the Finnish Misplaced Pages's rules on ], but I have to imagine your firsthand account is not enough to update the date (especially in the face of extant conflicting sources), unfortunately. ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 13:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::@], a direct link to the ''Sentinel Enterprise'' obituary you mentioned would be ideal, but if it's not available online, then the date of publication and the title of the obituary itself would be sufficient, so someone can try to look it up. Do you have those? ] (]) 13:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::Let me check into that. The Sentinel might not be the ONLY source. I may need a little time so ... can anyone tell me how long this discussion will "stay awake" before it gets archived? ] (]) 14:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::::@] the archiving is set at 2-3 days from the date of the last post. When you find the information, it might be better to just post it on DoubleGrazing's talk page, since they're the one who's offered to do the update for you. ] (]) 14:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::@]: always a pleasure to help those who appreciate it. -- ] (]) 17:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


] (]) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Source or visual editor? ==


:The place to suggest this, ], is ]. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi. I just opened an account here. I followed directions to this page so hope I am in the right place. I have made some edits already, a few minor amendments and correcting typoes and the like, but seeing all the membership recommendations I agree it would be wise to hide my IP address. I use XML at work so I have no problem with your source editor but, that being so, do you think I should use the source editor or the visual one? Is the visual one for people who don't know markup? I really need to know if there would be any advantage for me using visual. I did a newcomer prompt edit earlier using the source editor. Thanks. ] (]) 06:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
::Thanks,
::Nadav ] (]) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] pretty sure this falls under ] ] (]) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. ] (]) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello, @]: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a ], but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the ] that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ] (]) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Shortened forms list ==
:Hello @] and welcome to the Teahouse.
:There is a few advantages using the visual edit as it is a new way to edit without the need to understand any code or markup compared to the source editor. Either which editor you use, the choice is up to you. For more information please see ]. 🛧]🛪 (<small>]</small>) 07:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|ManGoBangla}}. I will give you my opinion, which is not the "Official Misplaced Pages" opinion, since there is no such thing. I highly prefer the source editor. I am no computer geek. Instead, I am a long time self employed construction worker who has been editing Misplaced Pages as a hobby for 14 years. I have been trained to use the best tools for the job. In my opinion, the Wiki markup language is exceptionally easy to use for any editor willing to spend an hour or two or even half an hour learning it. I learned it rapidly by looking at the underlying code of pages that displayed things the way I wanted. Just as if I had purchased a new power saw or sander and wanted to try it out, and asked for advice from craftspeople who had already accomplished things similar to what I wanted to do. There are many people, paid (understandably) and unpaid (mostly out of idealism), who deride the source editor. On the other hand, I love it because it works well on every platform, and facilitates collaborative editing, which is the key to Misplaced Pages's success as a worldwide Top Ten website. If something better comes along, I will happily adopt it, but that day has not yet come. ] (]) 07:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:@], you may find something useful at ]. ] (]) 09:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::And note particularly that the source editor allows you to edit individual sections, VE does not. Personally I really dislike VE because it so often doesn't do what I expect it to do. ] ] 15:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. ], ])? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. <span style="color:#9400D3;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi, each of you, and I appreciate your interest and advice. I feel comfortable with the source editor so I will use that. There are obvious advantages too. I have been doing a lot of research and there is still much to read and to learn, but I think I have made the right decision by opening an account. I will have to decide what to edit now, but I have many interests. I have found this forum very useful and I am grateful for your help and kindness. I will certainly come here again if I need help and I recommend the forum to other new members. Thank you, all. ] (]) 15:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


:Hello @]. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== "staff writer" ==
:Hey, how about ] or ] and might be an idea to work out something for ] ] (]) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Creating a new page ==
is it ok to use "staff writer" for the author of a citation? ltbdl (]) 07:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do ] (]) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Seems like inserting <nowiki><!--Not stated--></nowiki> or <nowiki><!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--></nowiki> is the standard procedure here; the former is mentioned in ], while the latter is mentioned in the talk archives for that page a decent amount. <span style="background-color: black">] ] ]</span> 07:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Nope. It will look like "a friend of my said xxxxx", to improve the skill of citing, please have a read on ] or try to use ], the latter is a helpful tool for providing citation with correct formats. ] 10:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


:Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? ] (]|]) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== wikipedia page suggestion ==
:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at ]. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a ], but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. ]|] 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to ], a different person. To start over, use ] to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. ] (]) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. ] (]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@] If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft '''Isabel Myers (actress)''', since the subject of the existing article, ], is a writer. <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::<small>@], I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you ''may'' disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
:::::For your second point, you can ] an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. </small> ] (]) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
::::The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by ] it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
::::When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating ] (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is '''much''' harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out ''all'' the issues about naming it. OK? ] (]) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks I will try my best. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== adding a clarification in response to a user request ==

Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the ] for clarification, or leave it there? ] (]) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a {{how}} template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. ]|] 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== What is sandbox and how should I use it? ==

How can I use sandbox ] (]) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at ]: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. ] (]) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Short and simple: ] — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --] (]) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== Error with interlanguage link template ==

So while editing ], I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? ] (]) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Thehistorianisaac}}. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of ]. If you look at the syntax for the {{para|Secondary governing body}} parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{tlx|ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a ]. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at ]; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to ] the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- ] (]) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ok thank you ] (]) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}}. The documentation for the parameter at ] says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. ] (]) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::thanks ] (]) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}} If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. ] (]) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Can someone help fix ] ==

Hello everyone, Can someone help fix ]. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually ] (]) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Get to $1200 manually ] (]) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@] What exactly is $1200? ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@]: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:@]: {{welcometea}} If the issue is technical, the folks over at ] may be better equipped to address it. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

== Joseph A. Tunzi ==

How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for ] ] (]) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @]. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).{{pb}}But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Daryl77}}. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? ] (]) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is '''''REQUIRED''''' before you keep editing. ] (]) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::How do you do that? ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Please see ]. ]'']'' 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? ] (]) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Use the COI template at your user page, specifically ] to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Daryl77}}, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. ] (]) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, ''Elvis International Forum''. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, ''Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977'' I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. ] (]) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. ] (]) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed? ==

I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? ] (]) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|The2gingerman}}. As the header of a current draft says: {{tpq|This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review.}} High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. ] (]) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added '''far''' more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ] (]) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you, @], I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a '''large''' reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. ] (]) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{u|The2gingerman}} Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy ] advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (]), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. ] (]) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== adding secondary sources ==

In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)

]

<blockquote>In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN ] since 1987.</blockquote>

Thank you ] (]) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. ] (]) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ok, got it - thank you! ] (]) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hang on, @]: @] described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, ''if'' Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a ]: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a ]. ] has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ] (]) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. ] (]) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh I see. I assumed from @]'s description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @]. ] (]) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?
:Sir ] ] ] suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s ''Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities'' masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor ==

I read through the page for ] and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies ] (]) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hey @]
:The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which ] isn't optimized for. ] (]) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. ] (]) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

== Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation ==

Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? ] (]) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @]. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at ], but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. ]&nbsp;] 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). ] (]) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{u|Kinfolx1114}}, please be aware that ] was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read ]. ] (]) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). ] (]) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Hello @]. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) ] (]) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Hello, thank you for providing this, @]. This is very helpful. ] (]) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. ] (]) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hi @]Hmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! ] (]) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{ping|Kinfolx1114}} They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:<small>The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. ] (]) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
::@] Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! ] (]) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox? ==

I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ] ] 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @]. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ] (]) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional ] (]) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ] ] 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Please help me get my translation of a French page published ==

Hi everyone, happy new year!
I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal
However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal

How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance!
Emilie ] (]) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Emelie1111}}. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, ] and ]. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Emilie111}}. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. ] (]) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:], another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with {{Tpq|In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.}}; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- ] (]) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::More info can be found at ], especially regarding attribution etc. ] (]) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Allowed links ==

What links are allowed in articles? ] (]) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @]. See ]. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the ], which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like ] can be used to demonstrate notability. ] (]) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::So, it can be news or a YouTube link? ] (]) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see ]. {{tq|Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability.}} ] (]) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 ] (]) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello, @]. I think ] might be more helpful to you. ] (]) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

== Edit Quality "Perfect"? ==

On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? ] (]) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:@]: So according to, ], {{tq|You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, '''your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted)''', among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.}}. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? ] (]) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] You can get a pretty good idea using ] and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is . That says that none of yours have been, unlike where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. ] (]) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Article ==

My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P ] (]) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now ] you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. ] (]) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello @], and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at ], I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's ]. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the ] (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "{{tq|articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.}}". I'd advise seeing ] for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.
:Looking at one of your submissions, ], the two sources provided are a ] entry, which is not considered reliable per the ] guideline because it is user generated (See ]), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide ] of the topic either.
:Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. ] (]) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per ]. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for ], then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per ].
:::—] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at ]. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. ] sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. ] tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, ] Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to ]. Hope that helps. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that ] can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album ] should be nominated for deletion. Same for ], a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. ] (]) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.
:::::::Best Regards ] (]) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles? ==

Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article ] (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. ] (]) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, @]. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to ]), many URLs end up rotting (] and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I ''highly'' advise you see ] and ] for more information. Thanks. —] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{reply-to|icePrettyFlower}} I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.
::My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.
::Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{tl|dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>

== Wikitext ==

I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a ] ] ] 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] I'm not really sure what you mean, but ] has instructions for creating new userboxes. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the <nowiki> tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}}</nowiki > ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you ] ] 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] ] is nice and generates something like {{tl|Example}} for example or use ] for the code/outpout: {{markup|
<nowiki>{{Example}}</nowiki>|{{Example}}}}<!-- Template:Mra --> ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) ] ] 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles ==

A user created ], and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: ]

It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. ] (]) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's on some unusual articles too, . Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. ] (]) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:See ]. -- ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. ] (]) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Template now deleted. ] (]) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Should I add something ==

On my draft, ], I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian ]. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? ] | ] 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|ApteryxRainWing|label=Roar with me!!!}} How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a <nowiki>{{efn|The pre-1950....}}</nowiki> tag to show a note at the end of the article with <nowiki>{{notelist}}</nowiki> to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Notability of electoral divisions ==

Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. ] (]) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Afaik, We do not have something specific, but ] might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) ] (]) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. ] (]) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{tq|Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable.}} - ] -- ]-'']'' -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deleting a draft ==

I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?] (]) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @]. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{tl|db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ] (]) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

::OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Yes, that's right. ] (]) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Great thanks for your help!] (]) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Paragraph break gets overriden ==

I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?

] ] (]) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|DieHoren}} I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{tl|pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the <nowiki>{{pb}}</nowiki> template. ] (]) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|DieHoren}} The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see ]) so I made another fix. ] (]) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. ] (]) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do ==

Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:

I was editing page of ] and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667

Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.

As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)

I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac ] used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.

Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.

I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. ] (]) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at ], you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of ] open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an ] is: '''don't'''! ] (]) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|Sobek2000}} I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like ] or ]. Thanks. ] (]) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you! ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Random pages with no sources ==

Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this ] and this ] (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. ] (]) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), ] appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. ] (]) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Why are the icons so weird ==

I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so?
I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ] (]) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:I don't know why, {{U|IsaqueCar}}. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- ] (]) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @]. Until I searched and found ] I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.
:If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at ]. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant ], is the best place to bring the matter up. ] (]) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::@]: I looked for ], which was more enlightening.
::@]: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? ] (]) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ] (]) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. ] (]) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."
::Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ] (]) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ] (]) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Opinion? ==

Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.

] ] (]) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? ] (]) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. ] (]) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. ] (]) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. ] (]) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, {{U|Hartnana13}}. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Lua error ==

Could someone have a look at ], please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following , but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. ] (]) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:@]: The problem here was with ] itself. {{no ping|Ahecht}} fixed it. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, both. ] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP? ==

I was reading ] and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? ] (]) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is '''"Is WIkipedia banned in France?"''' <br /> <br />
:The answer is no. I'm a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in French"''' and a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in English"'''.
:There are not any language version banned in French Republic. <br /> <br />
:If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. ] (]) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Albert 'Kid' Lloyd ==

I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:You wrote a draft on your user page, ]. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to ], pronto.) -- ] (]) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:Step 1:
:Click on the red link: ].
:Step 2:
:Paste in your information from your talk page.
:Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. ] (]) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:From the user page, ], not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) {{U|TamaRock}}, I have moved it to ]. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- ] (]) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Requesting a peer review ==


Hi, Hi,
I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the ] talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link.
My page was getting declined; whether there are any changes that should be made, may you suggest with that?
Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page?
THIS WAS MY USER NAME ] (]) 09:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you/sorry! ~~ ] (]) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hello @]! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at ]? ''']''' (]) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:There are numerous problems with your draft, many of which are detailed on your talk page. Please follow those links and read about the relevant Misplaced Pages policies. If there is a ''specific'' policy you don't understand feel free to ask here. ]|] 09:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … ] (]) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Scottwilliam2609}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read about ] and ]; declaring a paid editing relationship is a Terms of Use requirement; I note that you claimed the logo of the company as your own personal work. This was improper; by claiming the logo as your own work and uploading it to Misplaced Pages you made it available for anyone to use and even potentially make money off of as long as attribution is provided. Company logos are the work of the company, and must be uploaded under "fair use" to this Misplaced Pages directly and cannot be on Commons(which only host "free"(in terms of copyright) images. Logos cannot be in drafts until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia.
:::I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. ''']''' (]) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Please review the advice left by reviewers. Misplaced Pages is not a place for companies to tell about themselves and what they do. A Misplaced Pages article about a company must summarize what independent ] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of ]. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others wholly unconnected with the company choose to say about it. Please read ]. ] (]) 09:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. ] (]) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Please see your user talk page for more information. ] (]) 09:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::::I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. ''']''' (]) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics? ==
== Talk page ==


Hello. Why I'm not notified when someone has replied to my comment(s) on the talk page of an article? Every time I have to open "user contributions" page and click every single of my contributions to find out if I have replies or not! ] (]) 11:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC) Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. ] (]) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. ''']''' (]) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], you only get notified when someone pings you, like I just did, or when they write on ''your'' talkpage. Beyond that, it's up to you to check threads that you're interested in, though ] may be of help. The ] is another way to keep some track of things in general. ] (]) 11:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have articles you are monitoring watchlisted? Then edits to the articles and their talk pages will appear in your watchlist. ] (]) 11:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC) ::Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the ] area. ] (]) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@]: {{welcometea}} Are you sure that they're not showing up in the ] icon at the top of the screen? You can check to see if {{myprefs|Editing|Discussion pages|check=Enable topic subscription}} and {{myprefs|Editing|Discussion pages|check=Automatically subscribe to topics}} are checked. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 14:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== how to create a Misplaced Pages for myself if i don't have news articles == == Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles. ==


It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn.
how i create wikipedia from my self ] (]) 12:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp


How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as ]?&nbsp;] (]) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Basically, you don't. For a subject to qualify for a Misplaced Pages article, it needs sustained in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Otherwise, it's probably more appropriate for a different venue like social media. ]] 12:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press ] source that needs corroboration and discussion in ] sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a ]. ] (]) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello. One does not create "a Misplaced Pages", but a Misplaced Pages '''article'''. Misplaced Pages is not a place to write about yourself, it is a place to summarize what others choose to say about you showing how you ]. Please read the ]. If no independent ] write about you, you cannot have a Misplaced Pages article. You should use social media to tell about yourself instead. ] (]) 12:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:If you don't find the previous replies clear: writing about yourself is ''strongly discouraged''. - ] ] 14:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC) ::Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks ] (]) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] You can try asking for input at ]. ] (]) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page ==
== Archive Talk Page ==


Could someone please archive the discussion on the talk page of ] regarding the page move. Thanks. ] (]) 13:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC) So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? ] (]) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


:Ask at ]. ] (]) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] I don't think it is customary to archive a section as recent as that, particularly since it is all that's ever been on that Talk Page and is not over 75 KB, which is the standard size above which archiving is advised. The methods to set up archiving, if necessary, are explained at ] ] (]) 14:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::ok thanks! ] (]) 14:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy? ==
== Correcting the Facts ==


I'm planning to add subsections to ] about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:
How should I proceed? I want to correct an article on Misplaced Pages that's historically inaccurate. I have the public documentation to prove it.


*] use "Legacy and influences", ] use "Influence and legacy"
Thanks for taking my question. ] (]) 14:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
*] use "Legacy"
*], ], and ] use "Cultural Impact"


Which one should I use? ] (]) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @], welcome to the Teahouse.
:You can only change or add information to a Misplaced Pages article if you have a reliable published source. See ]. You shouldn't add any material for which no reliable, published sources exists. This is ], which is against Misplaced Pages policy.
:If you are unsure- let us know the name of the article, the changes you want to make, and the source of your information (this could be a book, a webpage, a journal article, etc as long as it is ]). <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Hello {{u|Ed Morykwas}},
:In addition to what ] said, you may also discuss the information you want to change on the talk page of the article, before actually making the change. This would let other editors know that you are about to change the information, and you can reason with them using the sources you have. Cheers, -- ] (]) 14:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::Okay, here's the page I'm talking about:
::]
::The article states that the Famous Birthdays website was founded in 2012 by Evan Britton. This is absolutely not true. I created the website in 1996 and sold it to Mr. Britton in 2011. I would like to amend the "Background" section of the Misplaced Pages article to reflect that fact.
::Here's my proof:
::The Internet Archive has a copy of my site from December 12, 1998 -- fourteen years before it was supposedly founded.
::The Internet Archive has many captures over the years, showing when I owned and maintained the site. The most interesting one is from January 3, 2012, after Mr. Britton took over the site. The headline at the top says "Over 20 Million Visitors Since 1996" which definitively proves that it wasn't created in 2012. The copyright notice at the bottom also refers to 1996.
::It was named "Site of the Week" by the Detroit Free Press on February 4, 2001 -- eleven years before 2012.
::It was also featured on the front page of our local newspaper on February 22, 2001.
::All I want to do is revise the Misplaced Pages article to tell the truth. Here's my recommended revision of the "Background" section:
::Background
::Updated to its current form in 2012 by Evan Britton, who has since described the website as "Misplaced Pages for Generation Z", Famous Birthdays originally focused on more traditional celebrities (such as actors, athletes, musicians, etc.), but has since expanded to also feature internet personalities. This shift came after Britton discovered that visitors were searching for individuals unfamiliar to him; at first mistaking the traffic as spam, he realized that the searches were of people with online followings such as Cameron Dallas.
::The website was originally created by Ed Morykwas, a Michigan schoolteacher, in the early days of the World Wide Web. A version from December 12, 1998 can be seen at the Internet Archive . It was chosen as the Detroit Free Press Site of the Week on February 4, 2001 . It was also on the front page of Ed's hometown newspaper that same month . He maintained the site for 15 years before selling it in 2011.
::6. INTERNET ARCHIVE - SEARCH IT FOR THE WEBSITE URL (Apparently, I cannot mention a new external link to a site registered on Misplaced Pages's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist, but it's easy to find.)
::https://web.archive.org/
::7. DETROIT FREE PRESS
::https://www.newspapers.com/article/detroit-free-press-free-press-site-of-th/128501189/
::8. TROY ECCENTRIC NEWSPAPER
::https://riveroftime.net/troy-eccentric.jpg ] (]) 16:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::This sounds like information you should give to ''The Atlantic'' and other sources that differ from your claim, to get them to issue corrections. You may wish to discuss the sources you have in support of what you say on the article talk page, ]. ] (]) 16:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


:@] I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. ]|] 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
==can you review this article?==
::Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.
the article is ] ] (]) 14:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::@] I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section. <br /> <br />
::Some ressources about how to use secondary sources : <br /> <br />
::1.]
::2.]
::3.] ] (]) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@] Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found ] via the more generic ]. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Translation and references issue ==
:@] I don't think that it needs review, as it is already in mainspace (i.e. not a Draft). Thanks for improving it with your contributions. It still seems to have no incoming article links, so that would be something worth working on. ] (]) 14:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::+ its missing categories ] (]) 16:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


]
== How to link the website ==

This artist was marked as missing in the ] and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post.

Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) ] (]) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it ] (]) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! ] (]) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
:When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the ]? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and ], and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.
:In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original ] meet the criteria of ]).
:Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ] (]) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. ] (]) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello, @]. Regional newspapers are often ], but the source needs to be ] and have ] of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.
:::If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either ] or ], then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], and no article is possible. ] (]) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

{{od}}

{{Ping|Birdesigns}} I can understand you frustraton, but please remember that the top of that page has a panel including the words:

{{Blockquote|Please note ... that the red links on this list '''may well not be suitable''' as the basis for an article. All new articles '''must satisfy Misplaced Pages's ]''' with ] ] sources.}}

(emphasis in original). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 16:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, Andy – appreciate the pointer. :) So, do I simply ignore those on the list which I reckon aren't meeting the requirements, and let others decide whether or not to delete them? Is there somewhere I can write a small note on my thoughts on the person's notability? ] (]) 17:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Editing question ==

Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hey @], you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. ] (]) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks ] (]) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:@]: {{welcometea}} I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as ], and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) ] (]) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello, @]. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Got it thanks. ] (]) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". ] (]) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Notability ==

Is he notable ] ? ] (]) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, ] appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. ] (]) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::What about sources doesn’t meet ] ] (]) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:
*"": a mere interview. (Even its title doesn't make sense to me, though perhaps "with an entertainer" was intended to mean "as an actor". Note that I'm linking to a ] scrape of the page linked to in the reference.)
*"": A mere interview.
*"": "''X'' takes ''Y'' by storm" is a cliché of promotional junk; this piece is no exception.
*"": A mere interview.
*"": Based on an interview.
*: In Telugu, which I cannot read. If Google Translate can be trusted, this is a rather lightweight review of one film in which Chetan Maddineni appears. It's not junk, but it says little about him.
''None'' of these six sources counts toward evidence of ]. For all I know, ''other'' sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, ]? -- ] (]) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== How does editor classification work? ==

how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ] (]) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @]. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ] (]) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"
::"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ] (]) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ] (]) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Not aware either, ] page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. ] (]) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ] (]) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). ] (]) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:] uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:The ] describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, ] (]) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::We also have something at ], which admittedly is also informal and self-assigned, and actually is only seen in context to ]. ] (]) 12:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Article classes ==

Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. ] (]) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Welcome to Teahouse, see ]. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! ] (]) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== Needing help with contest ==

I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ] (]) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome, {{u|IsaqueCar}}! To sign up, go to ] and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the ] first, and happy (copy)editing! ] (]) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== How to add a category to a page/talk page ==


Hi, Hi,


I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code.
According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time ] (]) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be <nowiki> ]</nowiki> ] (]) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.
::Do you have any suggestions?
::] (]) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello, @]. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
:::The Wikicode <nowiki>]</nowiki> may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.
:::If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "<nowiki>]"</nowiki> statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.
:::Does that answer your question? ] (]) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::If not then please link the page and name the category. ] (]) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Managed it eventually! ] (]) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. ] (]) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== R-Salt ==

This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's ''possible'' that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.
:There is a recognised place for requesting articles, ]; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that ''might'' work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps ]: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.
:Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish ]) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ] (]) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to ], which I just turned blue. ] (]) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Good job! It's sometimes said around here that Teahouse-people don't start articles on request, but that isn't ''always'' true. Sometimes we feel like doing it. ] (]) 12:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed. @] will remember leading me creating this one about ]s a couple of years ago. It's far less likely that anyone would ever want to create one about a businessman, cryptocurrency fad or 'some here-today-gone-tomorrow' minor celebrity. ] (]) 21:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sometimes we really want WP to have that article. ] was inspired by a question at Commons, but still. ] (]) 21:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm often on the fence for these...promoting involvement by newer editors to create articles on topics of their interest (increased involvement is good, and demonstrated willingness to engage in collaboration) vs doing it myself (especially if it could benefit from specialized literature resources or where some people might not feel comfortable writing publicly about certain topics even if "anonymous"). ] (]) 00:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Youtube ==

If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? ] (]) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you, but in ''name of the website'' do i put the publisher, or YouTube? ] (]) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the ''via'' parameter. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi {{u|WikiPhil012}}. You should probably take a look at ] and ] before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (]), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in ]. -- ] (]) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::That last comment is true in some cases, but false in most. See ], as already cited. ] (]) 11:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== promotional template ==

can white44tree please add ] template to ] article on wikipedia? ] (]) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Well i added the promotional template. ] ] 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Does the content appear promotional? -- ]-'']'' -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh yea... removed it sorry ] ] 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Vacuity (see the article, and ]) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- ] (]) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::what about ] page add ] template? ] (]) 01:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Are primary sources okay for a (minor) controversy section? ==

Currently working on the article ] (a section at ]), and I'm considering adding a (specifically minor) ] controversy paragraph pertaining to the name of the band, sitting under the "Name" heading after the name's origin. Currently, the only relevant sources are these two interviews with and with respectively. The former has a story about how they were nearly stopped by police from doing a gig, being mistaken for a ] rally because of the name, and the latter having a sentence about the band receiving a letter from someone after the release of ], who "had the wrong idea about us and didn’t like the One Nation lyrics." (Note: One Nation is a song about anti-racism and bigotry.) However, since these are both primary sources, I still hold concerns on whether or not this should be included in the final article. If anyone can provide another opinion, it'd be highly appreciated.

—] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 04:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello —]. I know nothing about the band, but I suggest you write that during an interview Wiley Arnett stated the band got its name because of – whatever reason was given. Perhaps a better source for the name origin could be found later on, and then the article can be edited. ] (]) 05:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi @]: primary sources can be used to verify facts (straightforward and non-contentious ones). If the question is "where did this band get its name?", then arguably there is no better source to answer that, than the people who actually named it, ie. the band members. Even if you find a secondary source, say a magazine telling us where the name comes from, the information almost certainly ultimately traces back to the band members anyway. But as Karenthewriter suggests, rather than simply stating it as an absolute fact like "the name comes from" you should refer to that primary source and phrase it as "''according to Arnett'', the name comes from" (or words to that effect). -- ] (]) 07:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== susanhollowayscott.com reliable? ==

I'm currently working on upgrading an article to Good Article status, but there's still one citation left that's needed. Unfortunately, the only source I can seem to find is susanhollowayscott.com, which is a blog. I know that some blogs are allowed, so is this one trustworthy, or is it unreliable? Help! ] <sub>] ]</sub> 18:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @]. ] says {{tq|when produced by an established ], whose work '''in the relevant field''' has previously been published by ], independent publications}}. According to our article on ], she is a writer of historical fiction, and her blog seems to be mostly on historical subjects, as you might expect. She has no doubt done her research, but unless she has a track record as a reliably published writer about history, it doesn't sound promising. ] (]) 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::<s>Your refs 1,2 and 3 are to her website, and therefor not independent and not contributing to confirming notability. ] (]) 20:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
:::<s>The article content states what she has written, but does not have content or refs for what has been written about her. This is Start class at best (the current rating) and needs significant work before being upgraded to C-class, let alone nominated for GA. ] (]) 20:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
::::OP nominated ], not Susan Holloway Scott. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yes, query pertains to raising ] to GA, and want to know if effort can use Scott's blog as a reference. In that case, I agree with ColinFine that while Scott publishes historical fiction, she does not quality as an academic historian with bona fides. ] (]) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Sources and Notability ==

Just because sources exist for a subject does not necessarily mean that it is notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article, correct? ] (]) 22:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Correct. ] sources are wanted, not, for example, subject's social media. ] (]) 22:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ]. There can not be an Misplaced Pages article unless the subject is considered notable. Sources exist about me, including mentions in a few local newspaper articles, but that doesn't make me Misplaced Pages-article-notable. If you haven’t already done so reading ] may be of help to you. ] (]) 03:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Alright, thanks. I was just wondering cause I very recently obtained NPR rights, and wanted to know if just because an article with sources meant that it was notable, since I forgot. ] (]) 06:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== A Page about Indian Educational linguist - Rama Kant Agnihotri ==

I am in doubt if the person is nitable and whether he should have a wikipedia page.

Full name - Rama Kant Agnihotri

Profession - Professor (Retd.), faculty at Uni. of delhi.

Wrote many books, including, Routledge published: an essential Hindi grammar. ] (]) 22:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:@], do you mean ]? ]&nbsp;] 22:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Well, ], it's merely a draft. Let's see how the draft develops. I have to say, though, that it's seriously defective. Consider this somniferous sample: "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has been pivotal in leveraging India’s rich linguistic diversity as a tool for social justice and educational equity." I think this means "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has made India’s linguistic diversity a tool for social justice and educational equity"; but I'd have to look at the source to be sure. However, the only source provided is by Rama Kant Agnihotri himself, so it can't be used to verify a claim for an achievement by him. -- ] (]) 00:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Aside from the draft, you should not have article-like content on your Use page and should stop any work on ]. As for the unsubmitted draft ], needs work before being submittedfor review. ] (]) 04:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Jean-François Ballester ==

2 weeks ago someone added something in French to the article ]. According to Google translate it's about the place and grave, where he was buried. As they put malformed "ref"-tags around it, it's not clear to me, what they intended to do. So: should the sentence be deleted, or could it be used somehow? ] ] 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:The reference was for his mother and sister being coaches, so I moved it back up to that line. I removed the addition in French (location of his grave), as there was no source to support it. ] (]) 23:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Copyright question ==

https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315374-Thomas_Robert_Bugeaud.jpg

Can I just check this is out of protection, it was painted in the 1840s, does it being a digital image have different / changed protection? ] (]) 09:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Faithful 2D representations/photos of paintings that old would be in the ], as that article explains. When you upload the image to Commons, make sure you include your immediate source, i.e. the weblink you gave here. More complex copyright questions should be directed to the Commons helpdesk at ]. ] (]) 14:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Cheers ] (]) 16:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== I need a biography written on Misplaced Pages ==

As a naturopath and holistic healthcare practitioner, I'd like an experienced Wiki writer to feature an article on my expertise. If any of you can help then please reach out soon. ] (]) 11:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] Posting a request here at the Teahouse is more-or-less an invitation to ] to "reach out" and take your money, as the link I've added explains. If you are (or become) a ], then a volunteer will likely notice and write about you. There are ]. ] (]) 12:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, @]. To put your request in other words "I want to use Misplaced Pages to promote my business". ] of any kind is forbidden on Misplaced Pages.
:''If'' several people who have no connection with you, and have not been commissioned or fed information on you behalf, choose to write at some length about you in ], then you would probably meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], and an article could be written about you. Such an article would not belong to you, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you want it to say, and would be able to be edited by almost anybody in the world ''except'' you and your associates. If it happened that there was reliably published material that was negative about you, that would probably be discussed in the article. See ]
:If you have not been written about in that way, then no amount of work, and no amount of money, is going to be able to put an article about you in Misplaced Pages: see ].
:Please focus on other means to promote your business. And don't, whatever you do, pay somebody to write a Misplaced Pages article about you: see ]. ] (]) 13:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Your submission of a draft about yourself at ] has been declined. For a living person, all content must be verified by valid references (see ]). References need to be to publications about you, not sci journal articles for which you were a co-author. Those are useless. ] (]) 16:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Dr. Mojibul Haque}} I feel I should point out that alternative medicines (and those who practice with same) are in a ] ], with part of the issue in the topic area being promotion such as you're attempting to do. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 16:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== What is the WikiCup ==

What is the WikiCup, that’s my only question. ] (]) 12:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:See ] ] (]) 12:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey @], The ] is an annual writing competition on Misplaced Pages, where participants earn points by contributing to articles across various categories. The goal is to encourage high-quality contributions and promote engagement. ] (]) 13:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Is Muck Rack a Self-published source? ==

Hey, Hope you are doing great, I'm here to ask about ]. Is it a ]? ] (]) 13:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:I am not sure but their journalist profolios/profile are automatically generated and may contain errors. I wouldn't consider it a reliable source for a comprehensive list of any journalist's article. But I'd consider it fine to put it in an 'external links' section, especially if the profile is a verified one. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] Thank you for your reply. ] (]) 16:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== about create new page ==


I found an article: Daily Hive and there is no website. I added the website but realized that the website was not linked (can't click it to go to it). So then I undid the edit. How do you link the website? ] (]) 14:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC) it require article to create new page you might help me to understand ] (]) 13:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
:@] This is one of these things that's handled at Wikidata. If you add the template {{tl|Official URL}} as part of the |website= parameter in the infobox, it will work. Some cases don't if Wikidata doesn't have the information. ] (]) 14:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Trying to write an article before you have spent time learning how Misplaced Pages works is likely to lead to disappointment and frustration, and probably a lot of wasted effort.
::Oh, I was using the visual editor and clicked on the info box and edited and added the link. I will try it Thx! ] (]) 14:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}.
::By the way should I add https:// ? ] (]) 14:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Looking at ] (which is where your attempted article currently is), it appears that you have done the obvious thing of starting by writing what you about a subject. Unfortunately this is writing the article ] - because Misplaced Pages does not have any interest at all in what you know about Umubwiriza (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Misplaced Pages is almost ''only'' interested in what has been published ''about'' him in ] by people completely ]. Unless you ''start'' by finding such sources, you are very likely wasting your time. ] (]) 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I added https:// and it seems to be linked up. ] (]) 14:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:If English is not your first language, I recommend editing in a Misplaced Pages version that is in another language. You can see ] for a list. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::@] I found the link on wikidata here:
::https://www.wikidata.org/Q39087049
::in the third column. Does that count? I tried source editor and switched back to visual, but the link was still in black letters, not in blue as a link. ] (]) 14:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:::@] You don't need the link as such. Just place the template in the infobox using the source editor and it all works like magic! (I've done it now on ]). ] (]) 15:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::::OK, I understand now! Thank you! ] (]) 15:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


== ] == == Redirect note ==


When I go to ] from my Chrome browser, a note appears at the top, (Redirected from ]). This note does not appear in the editor, and also does not appear if I go to the article from within Misplaced Pages. Why does it appear, and how can it be eliminated (or should it)? ] (]) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Advice, please, over a little war that has been raging on the ] article (in which I have in the past been a participant but do not really want to resume).


:This note means that you were sent to the article from a ]. This is not a problem and likely just means that the page that is saved in your browser is the redirect page and not the actual page. (What probably happened here is that the first time you visited the article, it was a draft, which was then ] to the final article, leaving a redirect.) Again, this is not anything you need to worry about - it is completely normal to be redirected sometimes. ] (]) 16:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
WikiTree is a free genealogy site that generates very mixed feelings among users and ex-users. The latter tend to be disillusioned, particularly if they have been arbitrarily blocked, and to express themselves in at times non-encyclopedic ways. The former defend themselves by regularly manipulating the text of the article to plug their site and forestall criticism.


== Glitch? ==
Do we just accept this to-and-fro as part of the rhythm of the universe, or is the apparent ownership of the article veering towards a breach of Misplaced Pages standards? If those who slant the text in their favour are actually employees of WikiTree, that would I think be wrong. But if they are just fans, what can be done? Keep countering their claims and continue the war? ] (]) 15:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:If there is evidence of disruptive behavior, gather a list of ] that show that evidence of misbehavior, and ''concisely'' explain the problem in a post at ]. That's the usual way to handle people disrupting the productive work environment at a Misplaced Pages article. --]] 16:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


I'm currently working on ], and while updating the "Aftermath" section I noticed that one of the links in the lead bugged out, producing "post-open">Fujita Scalepost-close">" in regular text instead of ]. Does anybody else see this? It's been happening for months, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's happening. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 16:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
== Fiction books as sources ==
:It was in the wikitext, no idea why. I've removed it. ]&nbsp;] 16:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hm, that’s… odd. I’m not sure what it is, but I’ll ask around at the VP. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 16:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


== unblocking request ==
On the page ] I've used ] as a source for a description of his appearance. It seems accurate, but I'm wondering if that would be considered a reliable source? I've emailed the author about where he sourced his description, because from pictures it does seem accurate. I'll remove it if he based it solely of of pictures. ] 16:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


Can someone help me with request please? ] (]) 16:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:On the sixth page it states ‘This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, organizations, places, events, and incidents are '''either products of the authors imagination or used fictitiously'''. So I'd assume that means that he based it solely off of pictures? The description in question describes him as a "tall, somewhat portly man with short brown hair and nose ruddy with veins". ] 17:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? RATHOMP (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from The Beatles to Sepultura ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use {{infobox musical artist}} and fill out the template using it's template page at Template:Infobox musical artist. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
Thanks, Sparkle and Fade edits 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how can I rigth a article in wikipedia

how can I rigth Daniel Muanga (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Article wizard
69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. David notMD (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
See referencing for beginners. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. Cwater1 (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

Is Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please consult Misplaced Pages:FINDAGRAVE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the WP:USERGENERATED section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on Andrew Stephen Wilson today, so that's why I chose that example.. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do!

I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, this typo team), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found this Growth page, but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use Special:NewcomerTasksInfo"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? SKM (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Skmccormick. As a volunteer project, you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the Guild of Copy Editors and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol Special:RecentChanges and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. Tarlby 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
@Skmccormick
Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. SKM (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Skmccormick, do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to WP:TASKS). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). SKM (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm a fan of Category:Misplaced Pages introduction cleanup as a newbie task - not small, exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to WP:BEBOLD. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Different images for Light/Dark mode

Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. CrushedAsian255 (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@CrushedAsian255 This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
@CrushedAsian255, you can use {{dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See DistroKid and YouTube; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. TeoTB (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Wider vs specific consensus

Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPP. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, @ExclusiveEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of wikilawyering).
I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening here. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages?100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?-20241231074800">

I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the upload page. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (1, 2), so it must be possible.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?"> 100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?">

@Toast for Teddy This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
@Toast for Teddy That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Even if you're uploading "locally", Commons:Upload tools is likely helpful. All the projects use the same MediaWiki software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling

Hi there! I was editing my sandbox and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Andrea Biographer: it seems that with this edit you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi @DoubleGrazing, thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at Draft:Gridspertise. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how to give feedback

i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature. thanks Mommer264 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is a topic area with special rules that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that State of Palestine is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I am not interested in editing wikipedia If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, talk pages are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general Internet forums for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even help direct you to some of them. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at WP:Welcome. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

VisualEditor

I've just changed my Preferences > Editing

Turned on "Enable the visual editor" (which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)

But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.

I've looked at Help:VisualEditor and it says (Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).

But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've found out, reading Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
and the press "save" button at the bottom.
Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
It's not easy to find out. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
But, @Centrodiurnomilano, do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, @Cowboygilbert . I've tried in main space and the in user space. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error)

Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.

This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.

The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.

Bell Labs record

Article about this record

Sample of this sound

What do you think of this? ZetaformGames (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ZetaformGames, welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for Intercept message or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! Justiyaya 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ZetaformGames (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Maryam Mirzakhani

Can someone fix the error in the Maryam Mirzakhani article?

Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g} . In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:No original research. Ideally, you're going to need to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; even if you know such changes to be true, you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a WP:PRIMARY source and could have other issues as explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You could also try asking about this at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC);post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at WP:VPT than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, WP:VPT is a better place to ask about this.
@Marchjuly. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction ColinFine. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability.

Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask: I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from Hurricane Maria to now since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur. Cheers! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy David notMD (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
Note, to the anonymous editor: if you create an account you get your own shiny neato userspace to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!
(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the California energy crisis, but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having its own municipal utility with its own generation capacity!) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Note to User:Slowking Man: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at WP:YFA to create a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is Special:MyPage/sandbox, which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @BusterD suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! Atheions (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
On the other hand, User:Slowking Man is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with User:David notMD that WP:YFA is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have created one. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. Atheions (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages?

Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages Aaronfart14 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about your game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See H:YFA and WP:COI. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See WP:PROMOTION Meters (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Aaronfart14, the relevant content guideline is WP:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Writing about Childhood and Early Life

I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? Aharten97 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aharten97: It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see WP:V. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- zzuuzz 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What to write on your talk page?

Above question HELSINKI!233 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @HELSINKI!233. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at the guidelines for user pages. Schazjmd (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. David notMD (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Citations about movies

I'm trying to improve The Lincoln Lawyer (film)

1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?

2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)

Many thanks

Ben (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @Littenberg. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is user-generated. You can learn how to add citations at Easier Referencing for Beginners. Schazjmd (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I create a Misplaced Pages article

How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, @Красный Октябрь, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Красный Октябрь, please be aware that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is Extended confirmed, which means the account is over a month old (it is) and has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Then can someone else make an article about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Who do I ask about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Красный Октябрь, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the Russo-Ukrainian War before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
You could ask on Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in WP:RFED, making extra work for administrators. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected?

Sorry if this is the wrong place. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Heyaaaaalol, I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? BusterD (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Heyaaaaalol. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either WP:VPT or WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Heyaaaaalol: Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at phab:T12347 but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set wgEnableProtectionIndicators to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Multiple non-free album covers on one page

For the album Breakfast with Girls, there's an associated EP located at the section Brunch. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, Brunch's artwork (seen here) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a public domain text logo image in an infobox? Koopastar (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Koopastar, I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2. Happy editing! Justiyaya 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

afd

I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it 🐢 (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

History checker SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: Download as PDF (maybe see also Help:Export). Otherwise go to: CAT:RESTORE. --Slowking Man (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
This appears to be about X11 color names, which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography?

Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through Articles for Creation with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. Cullen328 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@SimpleSubCubicGraph welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through articles for creation and the editor should declare their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. CongressEdits is probably the closest to an example of this. Justiyaya 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as WP:NACADEMIC. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in Main namespace") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the Talk page for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
b) No, no one "owns" articles and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "free as in freedom" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather WP:INVOLVED. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
e) Have a look at WP:List of Wikipedians with articles. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject?

Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. FireBatV (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @FireBatV! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the Template:COI on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use Twinkle to tag it as well. TNM101 (chat) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for the help! I've added the {{Template:COI}} to the page in question (Rhett Ayers Butler) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. FireBatV (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown"

i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! 89.128.137.159 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. qcne (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. Cwater1 (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The show button doesn't work on phone

Hi. Some articles have this dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), nothing happens. I don't know about desktop. Aminabzz (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Aminabzz, and welcome to the Teahouse.
I agree. If I look at Amathus, I get that box (from template {{expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
This looks like a bug in the user interface: WP:VPT is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone?

Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".

But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.

Look at this for seeing the dotlines. Aminabzz (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Samsung devices with S Pen support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with NFC. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah this is a known problem for years. Abbr and friends use the standard HTML tags for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at WP:VPT whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some userscript someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one ) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Aminabzz, Anachronist, and Slowking Man: I couldn't find any such script, so I made it. JJPMaster (she/they) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Anachronist: The latter. JJPMaster (she/they) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Aminabzz: Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

GA Spotcheck

Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Appears that at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations, date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, that is why I am asking. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@History6042, note 2 on the Misplaced Pages:Good article criteria page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
So it means Verifiable with no original research:
it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
it contains no original research; and
it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
The note says "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)." Schazjmd (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through this discussion on spot checks. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. Schazjmd (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/

I've been working on trying create an article (Draft:Millennium Force's effects) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.

So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info Original Research. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Therguy10 Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. Reliable sources are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See WP:42. Shantavira| 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Therguy10. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Shantavira @ColinFine Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. Therguy10 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol Therguy10 (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the Ride experience section of Millennium Force? Schazjmd (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit everything inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Therguy10 Draft:Millennium Force's effects is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at fandom. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How do i delete a Wikepedia page?

a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools

how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Carlisle Public Schools is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the WP:AFD process. What you added to Carlisle, Massachusetts was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See Maynard, Massachusetts for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also Concord-Carlisle High School, but that has its own problems. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay, Thanks! Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Theawezomefriend12: I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See WP:CWW for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- zzuuzz 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Theawezomefriend12: I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- zzuuzz 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi! PARIS

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the Draft:Hi! PARIS. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. 2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933 (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

On the AoPS Wiki go to special:move. I don't know bout wikipedia tho 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry its Special:MovePage 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Bonsoir, IP user.
73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the Move function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to Special:MovePage.
However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @Rosguill, was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space again by @Janhrach.
Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
I am finding it very difficult to assume good faith. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. 2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4 (talk) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

AoPS page

Why isn't there a page for Art of Problem Solving? 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) and was either deleted altogether or added to Richard Rusczyk. Art of Problem Solving current WP:REDIRECTs to the "Rusczyk" article and its page history shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Art of Problem Solving (2nd nomination). If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is Liz. Perhaps by asking at User talk:Liz, Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS?

I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? 172.59.25.192 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages?

The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read WP:VANDALISM, and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (WP:SPOTVAN), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. Grimaceshakeohio (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

"Series of small edits"

I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: 1, 2, 3) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a talk page discussion I am currently engaged in? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, there's WP:Cautious, which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. MrOllie (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
There is not. Schazjmd (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Political Party Relations

Just like how we have Category:Sign language family tree templates, should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.

SPD
Spartacus League
KPD
SED
PDSWASG
Die Linke
BSW

History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi History6042, that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Politics. Justiyaya 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay, I'll do that, thanks. History6042😊 (Contact me) 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama Inquiries

This is regarding the article Liliget Feast House. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate Fair Use and Freedom of Panorama rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ornithoptera. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under Freedom of panorama#Canada which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also commons:COM:FOP Canada). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a non free file is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. Justiyaya 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi Justiyaya, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ornithoptera I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D Justiyaya 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance Justiyaya, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages?

According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?

More information: The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked here. It also gave me a link to here. Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Красный Октябрь, welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @Q-bit array without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor meta:User talk:Q-bit array. Usually appeals without talk page access go through WP:UTRS but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. Justiyaya 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Красный Октябрь, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? Красный Октябрь (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello again, @Красный Октябрь I think the relevant section is ru:ВП:РАЗБЛОК. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. Красный Октябрь (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I messaged one of the stewards here. Thank you for helping me find where to ask! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. signed, Rosguill 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Notice of geological updates

Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a recent update in the ICC Chronostratigraphic Chart (2024/12), compared to the previous version (2023/09), that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.

Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see WP:SOAPBOX). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — Alex26337 (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Alex26337, thank you for your question. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geology would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D Justiyaya 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Request to Update Image

I noticed that the current image used at Dadvan Yousuf is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.

I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to "Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.

Thanks.. Ayohama (talk) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ayohama, welcome to the teahouse! Although the image File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. Justiyaya 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood Ayohama (talk) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ayohama: I'd hold off in trying to use File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by Lonely34 until the claims of "own work" can be verified by c:COM:VRT. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with watermarks. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per c:COM:L and in such cases copyright holder consent needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Ayohama, even if the issues that Marchjuly describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement Ayohama (talk) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Agree with you Ayohama (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct Ayohama (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ayohama: The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the c:Template:Permission received added to each file's page will be changed to c:Template:PermissionTicket by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max Ayohama (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
According to List of Mount Everest summiters by frequency, more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Lonely34 claims of "own work" are now verified by c:COM:VRT. If you want, you can go ahead and place the File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. Ayohama (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft

Hello! I submitted a draft for Eugene Vollmer but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sammy Tremlinn, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. Cullen328 (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
List of newspapers in Fiji might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be Reliable sources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

New page

Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. Sup3rG33k08 (talk) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You can go to Requested articles, but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new article, but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent reliable sources to summarize in an article, and review the definition of a notable business to see if this business meets it(most do not).
If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Articles about companies need to comply with WP:NCORP and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album

Hello,

This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, So Close To What. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. Lashyurn (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Lashyurn, I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's LANA 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) Lashyurn (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi Lashyurn, in that article, there were reliable sources that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D Justiyaya 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
These are my sources (and titles):
"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "It's ok I'm ok" music video
Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those Lashyurn (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @Lashyurn. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. qcne (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. Lashyurn (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered primary sources. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I suggest to wait till release too Ayohama (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon

Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice. This is the german article: Judith Kakon. Avaa Malula (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Avaa Malula It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's notability. Please read WP:YFA and WP:42. CommissarDoggo 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Judith Kakon has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey @Avaa Malula
It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:
1. Improving the Original Article: The German article you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
- Including details about her important works or achievements.
2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).
- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the Misplaced Pages:Translation guidelines for details on how to do this properly.
4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.
- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. Ayohama (talk) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Last aired date in the future

This article revison SAS: Rogue Heroes revison of 02:04, 2 January 2025 has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? Dubidub (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

See WP:FUTURE - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. Ayohama (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I clean up formatting of tables?

On the Columbia University article, the Rankings section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? Doawk7 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I solved it by removing those images:) DMacks (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan

I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages

I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? BigChrisKenney (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @BigChrisKenney. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tarlby 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you @Tarlby for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! BigChrisKenney (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Writer or Screenwriter?

Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife Patti Deutsch) and producer. Since there are other Donald Ross articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. Maineartists (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Maineartists, "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- Hoary (talk) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
(writer) seems OK to me too Ayohama (talk) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Great. Thanks all. Maineartists (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services?

How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at WP:ANI or WP:COIN noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . TNM101 (chat) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (please do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
  • The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
  • The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
  • The article was created or heavily modified by a WP:SPA, which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
  • The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
  • The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is WP:PUFFERY. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider WP:DUE.
  • The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
  • The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
  • The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
  • The subject likely doesn't meet the WP:GNG but has been WP:REFBOMBed to give the appearance that it does.
  • The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is WP:COI.
  • The subject is not written about in a neutral way. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards TNM101 suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@TheTechnician27@TNM101 I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. TNM101 (chat) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a tort. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are more probable than not); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Deep thanks to User:TheTechnician27 for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that Misplaced Pages:Identifying PR is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Improving a page through including my own research

The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:

"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.

Goldschmied, N., Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.

Thanks,

Nadav Goldschmied


Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The place to suggest this, Ngoldschmied11, is Talk:Icing the kicker. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
Thanks,
Nadav Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ngoldschmied11 pretty sure this falls under WP:No original research SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
SimpleSubCubicGraph Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Ngoldschmied11: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a conflict of interest, but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the edit request wizard that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Shortened forms list

Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. WP:GNG, WP:NPV)? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. Jõsé 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Josedimaria. See WP:WP. Tarlby 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey, how about Misplaced Pages:Shortcut index or Misplaced Pages:List of policies and guidelines and might be an idea to work out something for Misplaced Pages:Glossary of shortcuts Ayohama (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do Chetan4u1 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Chetan4u1 Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at WP:AfC. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a disambiguation page, but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. Shantavira| 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Chetan4u1 Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to Isabel Briggs Myers, a different person. To start over, use WP:YFA to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. Chetan4u1 (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Chetan4u1 If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft Isabel Myers (actress), since the subject of the existing article, Isabel Briggs Myers, is a writer. Dissoxciate (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Dissoxciate, I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you may disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
For your second point, you can move an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Chetan4u1, and welcome to the Teahouse.
The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by moving it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating Draft:Isabel Myers (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is much harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out all the issues about naming it. OK? ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks I will try my best. Chetan4u1 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

adding a clarification in response to a user request

Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the request for clarification, or leave it there? 1808Eolo3 (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@1808Eolo3 Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. Shantavira| 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is sandbox and how should I use it?

How can I use sandbox Juamisi25 (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Juamisi25 Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at this help page: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Short and simple: follow this link — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --Slowking Man (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Error with interlanguage link template

So while editing Guangdong Public Security Department, I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Thehistorianisaac. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. If you look at the syntax for the |Secondary governing body= parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a WP:REDLINK. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at WP:VPT; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to hide the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok thank you Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Thehistorianisaac:. The documentation for the parameter at Template:Infobox law enforcement agency says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Thehistorianisaac: If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. Deor (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War

Hello everyone, Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@SimpleSubCubicGraph FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Shaan Sengupta Get to $1200 manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@SimpleSubCubicGraph What exactly is $1200? Shaan Sengupta 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@SimpleSubCubicGraph: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Shaan Sengupta: Welcome to the Teahouse. If the issue is technical, the folks over at WP:VPT may be better equipped to address it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Tenryuu I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. Shaan Sengupta 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Joseph A. Tunzi

How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Daryl77. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. Tarlby 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, Daryl77. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is REQUIRED before you keep editing. DACartman (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
How do you do that? Daryl77 (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
@Daryl77 Please see WP:DISCLOSE. CommissarDoggo 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? Daryl77 (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Use the COI template at your user page, specifically Template:User COI to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. DACartman (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? Daryl77 (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Daryl77, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. Cullen328 (talk) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, Elvis International Forum. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977 I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered Elvis Sessions II. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before Elvis Sessions II. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. Daryl77 (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. David notMD (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed?

I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? The2gingerman (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, The2gingerman. As the header of a current draft says: This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review. High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi, @The2gingerman, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added far more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, @ColinFine, I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a large reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. The2gingerman (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
The2gingerman Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy WP:BRD advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (WP:NPP), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

adding secondary sources

In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)

Draft:Randolph Charles Kent

In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN Humanitarian Coordinator since 1987.

Thank you Nik9t (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok, got it - thank you! Nik9t (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Hang on, @Thebiguglyalien: @Nik9t described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, if Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a reliable source: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a self published source. WP:42 has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh I see. I assumed from @Nik9t's description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @Thebiguglyalien. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?
Sir David Nabarro KCMG CBE suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor

I read through the page for Visual Editor and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @SimpleSubCubicGraph
The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which VisualEditor isn't optimized for. Ayohama (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation

Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Kinfolx1114. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at Draft:Rahsan Thomas, but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Kinfolx1114, please be aware that Draft:Rahsan Thomas was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read WP:COPYVIO. Cullen328 (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). David notMD (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello @David notMD. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) Kinfolx1114 (talk) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for providing this, @Cullen328. This is very helpful. Kinfolx1114 (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. David notMD (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi @David notMDHmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment @Kinfolx1114: They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. scope_creep 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@David notMD Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox?

I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Stumbleannnn. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional Ayohama (talk) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Please help me get my translation of a French page published

Hi everyone, happy new year! I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal

How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance! Emilie Emilie1111 (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Emelie1111. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, Verifiability and Biographies of living persons. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello Emilie111. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Emilie1111, another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
More info can be found at Help:Translation, especially regarding attribution etc. Lectonar (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Allowed links

What links are allowed in articles? Danny5784 (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Danny5784. See WP:LINK. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. Tarlby 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the general notability guidelines, which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like NJ.com can be used to demonstrate notability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
So, it can be news or a YouTube link? Danny5784 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see WP:RSPYT. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 Danny5784 (talk) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Danny5784. I think WP:EL might be more helpful to you. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit Quality "Perfect"?

On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? Quark7 (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Quark7: So according to, mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Contribution history, You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted), among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? Quark7 (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@Quark7 You can get a pretty good idea using Special:Contributions and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is this link. That says that none of yours have been, unlike in my case where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Article

My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P NovaExplorer37 (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now Autoconfirmed you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello @NovaExplorer37, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your user talk page, I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the general notability guideline (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.". I'd advise seeing Misplaced Pages:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.
Looking at one of your submissions, Draft:Natrag Na Voz, the two sources provided are a Discogs entry, which is not considered reliable per the WP:RS guideline because it is user generated (See WP:DISCOGS), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide significant coverage of the topic either.
Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade edits 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. NovaExplorer37 (talk) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per WP:NEXIST. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for something exceptional, then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per WP:V.
Sparkle and Fade edits 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at Draft:Sada znam. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. WP:SECONDARY sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. WP:MUSICRS tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, WP:RSN Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to WP:AFD. Hope that helps. scope_creep 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that Draft:Natrag Na Voz can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album Dodirni mi kolena should be nominated for deletion. Same for Jabuke i vino, a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. scope_creep 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> Natrag Na Voz Article it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.
Best Regards NovaExplorer37 (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles?

Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article Razor wire (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @NicePrettyFlower. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to WP:Link rot), many URLs end up rotting (link rot) and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I highly advise you see Misplaced Pages:Link rot and WP:PLRT for more information. Thanks. —Sparkle and Fade edits 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@IcePrettyFlower: I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.
My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.
Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrickator (talkcontribs) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikitext

I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a Misplaced Pages page. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 I'm not really sure what you mean, but WP:UBXCREATE has instructions for creating new userboxes. ''']''' (talkcontribs) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}} Ayohama (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@Nedia020415 Template:Tl is nice and generates something like {{Example}} for example or use Template:Mra for the code/outpout:
Markup Renders as
{{Example}}
This is an example of a template. For help with templates, see Help:Template.

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles

A user created this "mortal sin in the Catholic Church" template, and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: Special:Contributions/Oct13

It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. Zenomonoz (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It's on some unusual articles too, such as the paraphilia article. Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
See WP:TfD's discussion of the template. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. Zenomonoz (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Template now deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Should I add something

On my draft, Draft:List of Oklahoma tornadoes, I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian Thomas Grazulis. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Roar with me!!!: How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a {{efn|The pre-1950....}} tag to show a note at the end of the article with {{notelist}} to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. scope_creep 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability of electoral divisions

Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Afaik, We do not have something specific, but Misplaced Pages:Notability (people)/Subnational politicians might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) Lectonar (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable. - WP:NPLACE -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Deleting a draft

I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?Wikieditor9117 (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Wikieditor9117. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?Wikieditor9117 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Great thanks for your help!Wikieditor9117 (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Paragraph break gets overriden

I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?

Abram Molarsky DieHoren (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DieHoren: I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the {{pb}} template. DieHoren (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
@DieHoren: The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see Template:Blockquote#Line breaks) so I made another fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. DieHoren (talk) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do

Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:

I was editing page of Kösem Sultan and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667

Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.

As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)

I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:K%C3%B6sem_Sultan#Marriage used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.

Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.

I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. Sobek2000 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sobek2000 Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at Talk:Kösem_Sultan#Marriage, you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of WP:Dispute resolution open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an edit war is: don't! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Sobek2000: I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Women's History or Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. Thanks. Simonm223 (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! Sobek2000 (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Random pages with no sources

Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this 32nd Kisei and this Kerala State Film Award for Best Dubbing Artist (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. Blackballnz (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), 32nd Kisei appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. David notMD (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are the icons so weird

I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so? I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know why, IsaqueCar. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @IsaqueCar. Until I searched and found Frutiger (typeface) I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.
If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at WP:VPT. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant WP:WikiProject, is the best place to bring the matter up. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I looked for Frutiger Aero, which was more enlightening.
@IsaqueCar: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? Bazza 7 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. Thx56 (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."
Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Opinion?

Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.

Draft:Vincent Piket Hartnana13 (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? 331dot (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. Hartnana13 (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. 331dot (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. David notMD (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, Hartnana13. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. David notMD (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Lua error

Could someone have a look at Jonathan Stroud, please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following this edit, but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: The problem here was with Module:Episode table itself. Ahecht fixed it. JJPMaster (she/they) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, both. Tacyarg (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP?

I was reading Litigation involving the Wikimedia Foundation and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. aquarium substrate 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is "Is WIkipedia banned in France?"

The answer is no. I'm a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in French" and a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in English".
There are not any language version banned in French Republic.

If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. Anatole-berthe (talk) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Albert 'Kid' Lloyd

I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? TamaRock (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

You wrote a draft on your user page, User:TamaRock. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to User:TamaRock/sandbox, pronto.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Step 1:
Click on the red link: Albert 'Kid' Lloyd.
Step 2:
Paste in your information from your talk page.
Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. Sushidude21! (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
From the user page, Sushidude21, not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) TamaRock, I have moved it to User:TamaRock/sandbox. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Requesting a peer review

Hi, I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the Sam Reid (actor) talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link. Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page? Thank you/sorry! ~~ Elinoria (talk) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Elinoria! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at WP:PRG? TNM101 (chat) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … Elinoria (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. TNM101 (chat) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. Elinoria (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. TNM101 (chat) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics?

Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. LordOfWalruses (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. TNM101 (chat) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the WP:ARBECR area. CMD (talk) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles.

It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn. https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp

How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as atmosphere of JupiterSushidude21! (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press WP:PRIMARY source that needs corroboration and discussion in WP:SECONDARY sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a WP:FA. DMacks (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks Sushidude21! (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@Sushidude21! You can try asking for input at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Astronomy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page

So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ask at WP:RM/TR. CMD (talk) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy?

I'm planning to add subsections to Yu-Gi-Oh! about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:

Which one should I use? Ivan530 (talk) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. Shantavira| 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.
@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section.

Some ressources about how to use secondary sources :

1.Misplaced Pages:No original research
2.Misplaced Pages:Secondary does not mean independent
3.Misplaced Pages:Independent sources Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ivan530 Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found WP:VGLAYOUT via the more generic MOS:LAYOUT. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Translation and references issue

Draft:Christine Meyer

This artist was marked as missing in the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Women in rock music and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post.

Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) Birdesigns (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it David notMD (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Birdesigns (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Birdesigns, and welcome to the Teahouse.
When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the content translation tool? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and notability, and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.
In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original no:Christine Meyer meet the criteria of WP:42).
Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. Birdesigns (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Birdesigns. Regional newspapers are often reliable, but the source needs to be independent and have significant coverage of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.
If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG, then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? Birdesigns (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Birdesigns: I can understand you frustraton, but please remember that the top of that page has a panel including the words:

Please note ... that the red links on this list may well not be suitable as the basis for an article. All new articles must satisfy Misplaced Pages's notability criteria with reliable independent sources.

(emphasis in original). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Andy – appreciate the pointer. :) So, do I simply ignore those on the list which I reckon aren't meeting the requirements, and let others decide whether or not to delete them? Is there somewhere I can write a small note on my thoughts on the person's notability? Birdesigns (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing question

Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMPenguin (talkcontribs) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @DMPenguin, you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. Ayohama (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@DMPenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse. I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as gaming the system, and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @DMPenguin. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Got it thanks. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". David notMD (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability

Is he notable Chetan Maddineni ? 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Chetan Maddineni appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. Ayohama (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
What about sources doesn’t meet WP:ICTFSOURCES 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:

None of these six sources counts toward evidence of notability. For all I know, other sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, Ayohama? -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

How does editor classification work?

how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @IsaqueCar. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"
"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Not aware either, Misplaced Pages:User access page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. Ayohama (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). David notMD (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Task Center uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- zzuuzz 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
The Newcomer Homepage describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
We also have something at Category:User Wikitext, which admittedly is also informal and self-assigned, and actually is only seen in context to Wiki syntax. Lectonar (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Article classes

Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. Balance person (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Balance person Welcome to Teahouse, see Misplaced Pages:Content assessment. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! Balance person (talk) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Needing help with contest

I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, IsaqueCar! To sign up, go to this backlog page and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the guide to basic copyediting first, and happy (copy)editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add a category to a page/talk page

Hi,

I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code. According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time Elinoria (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be ] Thx56 (talk) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.
Do you have any suggestions?
Elinoria (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Elinoria. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
The Wikicode ] may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.
If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "]" statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.
Does that answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
If not then please link the page and name the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Managed it eventually! Elinoria (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. Elinoria (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

R-Salt

This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Hkhenson, and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's possible that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.
There is a recognised place for requesting articles, WP:RA; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that might work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps WT:WikiProject Chemistry: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.
Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish Notability) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ColinFine (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to R-salt, which I just turned blue. DMacks (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Good job! It's sometimes said around here that Teahouse-people don't start articles on request, but that isn't always true. Sometimes we feel like doing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Indeed. @Gråbergs Gråa Sång will remember this question leading me creating this one about Armored mud balls a couple of years ago. It's far less likely that anyone would ever want to create one about a businessman, cryptocurrency fad or 'some here-today-gone-tomorrow' minor celebrity. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Sometimes we really want WP to have that article. Earl Bailly was inspired by a question at Commons, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm often on the fence for these...promoting involvement by newer editors to create articles on topics of their interest (increased involvement is good, and demonstrated willingness to engage in collaboration) vs doing it myself (especially if it could benefit from specialized literature resources or where some people might not feel comfortable writing publicly about certain topics even if "anonymous"). DMacks (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Youtube

If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, but in name of the website do i put the publisher, or YouTube? WikiPhil012 (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the via parameter. Ca 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi WikiPhil012. You should probably take a look at WP:YOUTUBE and WP:COPYLINK before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (as defined by Misplaced Pages), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in WP:CITEHOW. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. 2001:44C8:455C:91:C1B3:EC6C:4318:1D05 (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
That last comment is true in some cases, but false in most. See WP:YOUTUBE, as already cited. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

promotional template

can white44tree please add promotional template to Deko article on wikipedia? White44Tree (talk) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Well i added the promotional template. Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Does the content appear promotional? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh yea... removed it sorry Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Vacuity (see the article, and its earlier AfD) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
what about Bryce Gheisar page add promotional template? White44Tree (talk) 01:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Are primary sources okay for a (minor) controversy section?

Currently working on the article Sacred Reich (a section at my sandbox), and I'm considering adding a (specifically minor) two-to-three-sentences-long controversy paragraph pertaining to the name of the band, sitting under the "Name" heading after the name's origin. Currently, the only relevant sources are these two interviews with lead guitarist Wiley Arnett and with the band respectively. The former has a story about how they were nearly stopped by police from doing a gig, being mistaken for a neo-nazi rally because of the name, and the latter having a sentence about the band receiving a letter from someone after the release of Surf Nicaragua, who "had the wrong idea about us and didn’t like the One Nation lyrics." (Note: One Nation is a song about anti-racism and bigotry.) However, since these are both primary sources, I still hold concerns on whether or not this should be included in the final article. If anyone can provide another opinion, it'd be highly appreciated.

Sparkle and Fade edits 04:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello —Sparkle and Fade. I know nothing about the band, but I suggest you write that during an interview Wiley Arnett stated the band got its name because of – whatever reason was given. Perhaps a better source for the name origin could be found later on, and then the article can be edited. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Sparkle & Fade: primary sources can be used to verify facts (straightforward and non-contentious ones). If the question is "where did this band get its name?", then arguably there is no better source to answer that, than the people who actually named it, ie. the band members. Even if you find a secondary source, say a magazine telling us where the name comes from, the information almost certainly ultimately traces back to the band members anyway. But as Karenthewriter suggests, rather than simply stating it as an absolute fact like "the name comes from" you should refer to that primary source and phrase it as "according to Arnett, the name comes from" (or words to that effect). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

susanhollowayscott.com reliable?

I'm currently working on upgrading an article to Good Article status, but there's still one citation left that's needed. Unfortunately, the only source I can seem to find is susanhollowayscott.com, which is a blog. I know that some blogs are allowed, so is this one trustworthy, or is it unreliable? Help! Ali Beary (talk2me!) (stalk me?!) 18:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Ali Beary. WP:BLOG says when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. According to our article on Susan Holloway Scott, she is a writer of historical fiction, and her blog seems to be mostly on historical subjects, as you might expect. She has no doubt done her research, but unless she has a track record as a reliably published writer about history, it doesn't sound promising. ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Your refs 1,2 and 3 are to her website, and therefor not independent and not contributing to confirming notability. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
The article content states what she has written, but does not have content or refs for what has been written about her. This is Start class at best (the current rating) and needs significant work before being upgraded to C-class, let alone nominated for GA. David notMD (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
OP nominated Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, not Susan Holloway Scott. Tarlby 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, query pertains to raising Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton to GA, and want to know if effort can use Scott's blog as a reference. In that case, I agree with ColinFine that while Scott publishes historical fiction, she does not quality as an academic historian with bona fides. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Sources and Notability

Just because sources exist for a subject does not necessarily mean that it is notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article, correct? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@RedactedHumanoid Correct. WP:GNG sources are wanted, not, for example, subject's social media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello RedactedHumanoid. There can not be an Misplaced Pages article unless the subject is considered notable. Sources exist about me, including mentions in a few local newspaper articles, but that doesn't make me Misplaced Pages-article-notable. If you haven’t already done so reading Help:Your first article may be of help to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I was just wondering cause I very recently obtained NPR rights, and wanted to know if just because an article with sources meant that it was notable, since I forgot. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 06:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

A Page about Indian Educational linguist - Rama Kant Agnihotri

I am in doubt if the person is nitable and whether he should have a wikipedia page.

Full name - Rama Kant Agnihotri

Profession - Professor (Retd.), faculty at Uni. of delhi.

Wrote many books, including, Routledge published: an essential Hindi grammar. Ruderaksh11 (talk) 22:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ruderaksh11, do you mean Draft:Ramakant Agnihotri? Schazjmd (talk) 22:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Well, Ruderaksh11, it's merely a draft. Let's see how the draft develops. I have to say, though, that it's seriously defective. Consider this somniferous sample: "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has been pivotal in leveraging India’s rich linguistic diversity as a tool for social justice and educational equity." I think this means "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has made India’s linguistic diversity a tool for social justice and educational equity"; but I'd have to look at the source to be sure. However, the only source provided is by Rama Kant Agnihotri himself, so it can't be used to verify a claim for an achievement by him. -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Aside from the draft, you should not have article-like content on your Use page and should stop any work on Draft:Rama Kant Agnihotri (2). As for the unsubmitted draft Draft:Ramakant Agnihotri, needs work before being submittedfor review. David notMD (talk) 04:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Jean-François Ballester

2 weeks ago someone added something in French to the article Jean-François Ballester. According to Google translate it's about the place and grave, where he was buried. As they put malformed "ref"-tags around it, it's not clear to me, what they intended to do. So: should the sentence be deleted, or could it be used somehow? Maresa63 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The reference was for his mother and sister being coaches, so I moved it back up to that line. I removed the addition in French (location of his grave), as there was no source to support it. LizardJr8 (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Copyright question

https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315374-Thomas_Robert_Bugeaud.jpg

Can I just check this is out of protection, it was painted in the 1840s, does it being a digital image have different / changed protection? LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 09:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@LeChatiliers Pupper Faithful 2D representations/photos of paintings that old would be in the public domain, as that article explains. When you upload the image to Commons, make sure you include your immediate source, i.e. the weblink you gave here. More complex copyright questions should be directed to the Commons helpdesk at c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Cheers LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I need a biography written on Misplaced Pages

As a naturopath and holistic healthcare practitioner, I'd like an experienced Wiki writer to feature an article on my expertise. If any of you can help then please reach out soon. Dr. Mojibul Haque (talk) 11:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dr. Mojibul Haque Posting a request here at the Teahouse is more-or-less an invitation to scammers to "reach out" and take your money, as the link I've added explains. If you are (or become) a wikinotable person, then a volunteer will likely notice and write about you. There are reasons why you may regret having such an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, @Dr. Mojibul Haque. To put your request in other words "I want to use Misplaced Pages to promote my business". Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Misplaced Pages.
If several people who have no connection with you, and have not been commissioned or fed information on you behalf, choose to write at some length about you in reliable sources, then you would probably meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and an article could be written about you. Such an article would not belong to you, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you want it to say, and would be able to be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your associates. If it happened that there was reliably published material that was negative about you, that would probably be discussed in the article. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing
If you have not been written about in that way, then no amount of work, and no amount of money, is going to be able to put an article about you in Misplaced Pages: see WP:AMOUNT.
Please focus on other means to promote your business. And don't, whatever you do, pay somebody to write a Misplaced Pages article about you: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Your submission of a draft about yourself at User:Dr. Mojibul Haque/sandbox has been declined. For a living person, all content must be verified by valid references (see WP:42). References need to be to publications about you, not sci journal articles for which you were a co-author. Those are useless. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@Dr. Mojibul Haque: I feel I should point out that alternative medicines (and those who practice with same) are in a contentious topic, with part of the issue in the topic area being promotion such as you're attempting to do. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 16:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

What is the WikiCup

What is the WikiCup, that’s my only question. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 12:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:WikiCup Lectonar (talk) 12:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey @Yuanmongolempiredynasty, The WikiCup is an annual writing competition on Misplaced Pages, where participants earn points by contributing to articles across various categories. The goal is to encourage high-quality contributions and promote engagement. Ayohama (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Is Muck Rack a Self-published source?

Hey, Hope you are doing great, I'm here to ask about Muck Rack. Is it a Self-Published source? Taabii (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure but their journalist profolios/profile are automatically generated and may contain errors. I wouldn't consider it a reliable source for a comprehensive list of any journalist's article. But I'd consider it fine to put it in an 'external links' section, especially if the profile is a verified one. Ca 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@Ca Thank you for your reply. Taabii (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

about create new page

it require article to create new page you might help me to understand Jeandamour.rw (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Jeandamour.rw, and welcome to the Teahouse.
Trying to write an article before you have spent time learning how Misplaced Pages works is likely to lead to disappointment and frustration, and probably a lot of wasted effort.
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft..
Looking at Draft:Sheka umubwiriza (which is where your attempted article currently is), it appears that you have done the obvious thing of starting by writing what you about a subject. Unfortunately this is writing the article BACKWARDS - because Misplaced Pages does not have any interest at all in what you know about Umubwiriza (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Misplaced Pages is almost only interested in what has been published about him in reliable sources by people completely unconnected with him. Unless you start by finding such sources, you are very likely wasting your time. ColinFine (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
If English is not your first language, I recommend editing in a Misplaced Pages version that is in another language. You can see List of Wikipedias for a list. Ca 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Redirect note

When I go to Aliasing_(factorial_experiments) from my Chrome browser, a note appears at the top, (Redirected from Draft:Aliasing (factorial experiments)). This note does not appear in the editor, and also does not appear if I go to the article from within Misplaced Pages. Why does it appear, and how can it be eliminated (or should it)? Johsebb (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

This note means that you were sent to the article from a redirect page. This is not a problem and likely just means that the page that is saved in your browser is the redirect page and not the actual page. (What probably happened here is that the first time you visited the article, it was a draft, which was then moved to the final article, leaving a redirect.) Again, this is not anything you need to worry about - it is completely normal to be redirected sometimes. TypoEater (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Glitch?

I'm currently working on Draft:Cooper Pants Factory fire, and while updating the "Aftermath" section I noticed that one of the links in the lead bugged out, producing "post-open">Fujita Scalepost-close">" in regular text instead of Fujita Scale. Does anybody else see this? It's been happening for months, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's happening. EF 16:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

It was in the wikitext, no idea why. I've removed it. Schazjmd (talk) 16:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Hm, that’s… odd. I’m not sure what it is, but I’ll ask around at the VP. EF 16:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

unblocking request

Can someone help me with request please? Elliyoun (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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