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			== ] ==
⚫	== ''The Signpost'': 1 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ ==

			Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on ] about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. <span style="background: cornsilk; padding: 3px;border:.5px solid salmon;">]]</span> 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
⚫	<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/~~2023-08~~-01}} </div><!--Volume 19, Issue 15--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 03:38, 1 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div>
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		⚫	== ''The Signpost'': 15 January 2025 ==
	==Thoughts on propaganda?==
	Hello Jimbo. What are your thoughts about Misplaced Pages forcefully used as propaganda? Misplaced Pages relies on reliable sources, but oftentimes historically reliable sources have been muzzled and used to only publish narratives favorable to the official narrative. For example in Guatemala, during the ] that lasted around 40 years, the government routinely killed journalists, activists, critics that dared to speak too much against its interests. As a result, reliable sources during many years did not publish freely what they wanted but were likely heavily censored by the government. Even currently, ] was shut down by the government. Its owner ] and his lawyer were jailed on a disproportional persecution. Best regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">]</span> ] 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
	:I think it is important to use diverse sources, particularly those outside the reach of authoritarian goverments. In the case of a country like Guatemala this may be easier than in other places, since there are many other Spanish-language news sources outside Guatemala.--] (]) 10:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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	== Endowment ==
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			== A brownie for you! ==
	Mr. Wales, do you know the current value of the Wikimedia Endowment? If so, can you share it? Why is it so secretive about its value and holdings? ] (]) 23:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
	:Secretive, {{u\|Sandizer}}? Not really. It took me less than one minute on Google to find . ] (]) 23:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
	::That's a year old, has a single digit of precision, and says nothing about holdings. What does it invest in? What has it invested in in the past? How often does it change investments? What are the criteria for how and how often to do so? These questions are important because as the next generation of AI billionaires attempt to launder their reputations through philanthropy, the Endowment is likely to benefit. ] (]) 23:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
	:Per its Forms 990N (available by searching "87-3024488" on https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/), it had "Gross receipts not greater than" $100,000 from 07/01/2021-06/30/2023, so I'm not sure where the $100 million number in the Foundation's annual report is coming from. — ] (] • ]) 00:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	::I think that may be because the bulk of its funds were held for management by the ], presumably ](?) ] (]) 02:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	:::I do not personally know the day to day valuation of the endowment - it fluctuates of course with market conditions. I think it highly unlikely, as a side note, that AI billionaires seeking to launder their reputations would start with the WMF Endowment fund, since the endowment clearly has no ability to impact that whatsoever. At the last board meeting, I advocated (with universal agreement from the rest of the board) that we should publish more information, more often, because the accustions of "secrecy" do give rise (unfairly) to strange ideas that are not true.--] (]) 08:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	::::While I was being somewhat facetious, I am still very curious as to why there's never been a published comprehensive financial and investments statement. I understand "an update on the Endowment's activities" is expected by the end of the year. But, for example, do you think the total donations to date should be published on https://wikimediaendowment.org? Do you think the operational and investment update mentioned on ] should be published? ] (]) 08:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	:::::I think the latest published financial information should be posted on https://wikimediaendowment.org/. I'm surprised that it isn't, if it isn't. I do think that the operational and investment update mentioned should be published - this was indeed the document we discussed at the board meeting as a good thing to share. Now that we have a separate 501(c)(3) rather than being a fund at Tides, I think that sort of thing will become routine. Such materials do take staff time to prepare, of course, and they need to be really carefully checked for accuracy by finance and legal folks I would imagine, and I suspect that's that "by the end of the year" was mentioned somewhere. (Not sure where you saw that, but it sounds to me like a desire not to overpromise on the timeline!)--] (]) 08:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	{{outdent}} You say you {{tqq\|advocated (with universal agreement from the rest of the board) that we should publish more information, more often}}. I am surprised to see you say that. A couple of days ago I wrote a for the upcoming Signpost issue noting that you appeared to have decided to do the exact opposite at that meeting:
	===(Signpost draft) Wikimedia Endowment board minutes becoming ever more minimalist===
	]

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	A couple of weeks ago, the Wikimedia Foundation's ] the approved minutes for the January 19, 2023 Endowment Board Meeting on Meta. The minutes are remarkable for not divulging any new information at all – apart from noting the approval of the Endowment grants that had already been back in April.
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			\|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" \| brownie :D ] 19:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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			== ] ==
	For example, the meeting agenda posted back in February 2023 contained the following item:

			You're the subject on a delist FPC. Please, give us your feedback. ] (]) 01:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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	\|1=6:25 - 6:55 pm UTC: Fundraising Update (Board Chair, Jimmy Wales and Endowment Director, Amy Parker)

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	*FY22-23 year to date update
	*Campaign strategy}}

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	The Meeting Minutes now published cover this point as follows:
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			\|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" \| A visionary with an enduring legacy! <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color: coral; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 07:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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	\|1= '''Fundraising Update''' (Amy Parker)
	* FY22-23 year to date update
	* Presentation of campaign strategy}}

	Contrast this to the ] Board Meeting. They were not exactly detailed either, but did at least contain a financial summary:

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	\|1='''8) Fundraising update'''
	* Overview, lead by Caitlin Virtue
	* Review of Fundraising Report, lead by Amy Parker
	* Summary: As of December 31, 2021, the Endowment held $105.4 million. There is currently $99.33 million in the investment account and $6.07 million in cash. An additional $8 million raised in December will be transferred to the Endowment in January 2022.}}

	In fact, this summary marks the last time the Endowment Board Meeting Minutes contained a dollar figure for the Endowment's total value (cash plus investments). Requests for an updated figure .

	Unlike the Wikimedia Foundation, the Wikimedia Endowment has never to date published audited financial statements detailing its revenue and expenses.
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	(End of draft piece). The Signpost would, I am sure, be happy to publish ...
	*the financial info contained in the fundraising report Amy Parker presented to you in January,
	*the info contained in the operational and investment update you received last month,
	*precise figures for the Endowment's annual revenue and expenses over the past 7.5 years,
	*a summary of all moneys the Wikimedia Foundation has paid to the Tides Foundation over the past 7.5 years,
	*a list of the Wikimedia Endowment's highest-paid contractors, if any, besides the Tides Foundation, over the past 7.5 years,
	*the value of the Endowment's cash and investment holdings as of July 2023,
	... if you could be so kind as to provide this information here on this page. I would then update the draft article copied above accordingly. Regards, --] <small>]]</small> 09:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on Talk:Jimmy_Wales#Newer_2024_image? about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. Barnt Toust 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)