| Revision as of 12:30, 12 August 2023 view sourceJimbo Wales (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Founder14,538 editsm →Endowment: add signature← Previous edit | Latest revision as of 17:09, 5 January 2025 view source Lowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,299,652 editsm Archiving 1 discussion(s) to User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 252) (bot | ||
| Line 14: | Line 14: | ||
| | subject = talkpage | | subject = talkpage | ||
| | author = Matthew Gault | | author = Matthew Gault | ||
| | title = Misplaced Pages Editors Very Mad About Jimmy |
| title = Misplaced Pages Editors Very Mad About Jimmy Wales' NFT of a Misplaced Pages Edit | ||
| | org = ] | | org = ] | ||
| | url = https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbkvm/wikipedia-editors-very-mad-about-jimmy-waless-nft-of-a-wikipedia-edit | | url = https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbkvm/wikipedia-editors-very-mad-about-jimmy-waless-nft-of-a-wikipedia-edit | ||
| Line 21: | Line 21: | ||
| }} | }} | ||
| {{User:MiszaBot/config | {{User:MiszaBot/config | ||
| | algo = old( |
| algo = old(10d) | ||
| | archive = User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive %(counter)d | | archive = User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive %(counter)d | ||
| | counter = |
| counter = 252 | ||
| | maxarchivesize = 350K | | maxarchivesize = 350K | ||
| | archiveheader = {{aan}} | | archiveheader = {{aan}} | ||
| Line 33: | Line 33: | ||
| {{-}} | {{-}} | ||
| == ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2024 == | |||
| ==Thoughts on propaganda?== | |||
| Hello Jimbo. What are your thoughts about Misplaced Pages forcefully used as propaganda? Misplaced Pages relies on reliable sources, but oftentimes historically reliable sources have been muzzled and used to only publish narratives favorable to the official narrative. For example in Guatemala, during the ] that lasted around 40 years, the government routinely killed journalists, activists, critics that dared to speak too much against its interests. As a result, reliable sources during many years did not publish freely what they wanted but were likely heavily censored by the government. Even currently, ] was shut down by the government. Its owner ] and his lawyer were jailed on a disproportional persecution. Best regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">]</span> ] 02:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it is important to use diverse sources, particularly those outside the reach of authoritarian goverments. In the case of a country like Guatemala this may be easier than in other places, since there are many other Spanish-language news sources outside Guatemala.--] (]) 10:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> {{Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2024-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 20, Issue 18--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * ''']''' * ] * ] * ] (]) 00:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script (]) --></div></div> | |||
| == Endowment == | |||
| <!-- Message sent by User:JPxG@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe&oldid=1263792399 --> | |||
| == Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! == | |||
| Mr. Wales, do you know the current value of the Wikimedia Endowment? If so, can you share it? Why is it so secretive about its value and holdings? ] (]) 23:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Secretive, {{u|Sandizer}}? Not really. It took me less than one minute on Google to find . ] (]) 23:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::That's a year old, has a single digit of precision, and says nothing about holdings. What does it invest in? What has it invested in in the past? How often does it change investments? What are the criteria for how and how often to do so? These questions are important because as the next generation of AI billionaires attempt to launder their reputations through philanthropy, the Endowment is likely to benefit. ] (]) 23:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Per its Forms 990N (available by searching "87-3024488" on https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/), it had "Gross receipts not greater than" $100,000 from 07/01/2021-06/30/2023, so I'm not sure where the $100 million number in the Foundation's annual report is coming from. — ] (] • ]) 00:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think that may be because the bulk of its funds were held for management by the ], presumably ](?) ] (]) 02:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I do not personally know the day to day valuation of the endowment - it fluctuates of course with market conditions. I think it highly unlikely, as a side note, that AI billionaires seeking to launder their reputations would start with the WMF Endowment fund, since the endowment clearly has no ability to impact that whatsoever. At the last board meeting, I advocated (with universal agreement from the rest of the board) that we should publish more information, more often, because the accustions of "secrecy" do give rise (unfairly) to strange ideas that are not true.--] (]) 08:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::While I was being somewhat facetious, I am still very curious as to why there's never been a published comprehensive financial and investments statement. I understand "an update on the Endowment's activities" is expected by the end of the year. But, for example, do you think the total donations to date should be published on https://wikimediaendowment.org? Do you think the operational and investment update mentioned on ] should be published? ] (]) 08:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I think the latest published financial information should be posted on https://wikimediaendowment.org/. I'm surprised that it isn't, if it isn't. I do think that the operational and investment update mentioned should be published - this was indeed the document we discussed at the board meeting as a good thing to share. Now that we have a separate 501(c)(3) rather than being a fund at Tides, I think that sort of thing will become routine. Such materials do take staff time to prepare, of course, and they need to be really carefully checked for accuracy by finance and legal folks I would imagine, and I suspect that's that "by the end of the year" was mentioned somewhere. (Not sure where you saw that, but it sounds to me like a desire not to overpromise on the timeline!)--] (]) 08:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| {{outdent}} You say you {{tqq|advocated (with universal agreement from the rest of the board) that we should publish more information, more often}}. I am surprised to see you say that. A couple of days ago I wrote a for the upcoming Signpost issue noting that you appeared to have decided to do the exact opposite at that meeting: | |||
| {{hat|Collapsed for readability}} | |||
| ===(Signpost draft) Wikimedia Endowment board minutes becoming ever more minimalist=== | |||
| ] | |||
| Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| A couple of weeks ago, the Wikimedia Foundation's ] the approved minutes for the January 19, 2023 Endowment Board Meeting on Meta. The minutes are remarkable for not divulging any new information at all – apart from noting the approval of the Endowment grants that had already been back in April. | |||
| ==]== | |||
| For example, the meeting agenda posted back in February 2023 contained the following item: | |||
| Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team. | |||
| Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites. | |||
| {{talkquote | |||
| |1=6:25 - 6:55 pm UTC: Fundraising Update (Board Chair, Jimmy Wales and Endowment Director, Amy Parker) | |||
| I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *FY22-23 year to date update | |||
| *Campaign strategy}} | |||
| The Meeting Minutes now published cover this point as follows: | |||
| {{talkquote | |||
| |1= '''Fundraising Update''' (Amy Parker) | |||
| * FY22-23 year to date update | |||
| * Presentation of campaign strategy}} | |||
| Contrast this to the ] Board Meeting. They were not exactly detailed either, but did at least contain a financial summary: | |||
| {{talkquote | |||
| |1='''8) Fundraising update''' | |||
| * Overview, lead by Caitlin Virtue | |||
| * Review of Fundraising Report, lead by Amy Parker | |||
| * Summary: As of December 31, 2021, the Endowment held $105.4 million. There is currently $99.33 million in the investment account and $6.07 million in cash. An additional $8 million raised in December will be transferred to the Endowment in January 2022.}} | |||
| In fact, this summary marks the last time the Endowment Board Meeting Minutes contained a dollar figure for the Endowment's total value (cash plus investments). Requests for an updated figure . | |||
| Unlike the Wikimedia Foundation, the Wikimedia Endowment has never to date published audited financial statements detailing its revenue and expenses. | |||
| ------------------ | |||
| (End of draft piece). | |||
| {{hab}} | |||
| The Signpost would, I am sure, be happy to publish ... | |||
| *the financial info contained in the fundraising report Amy Parker presented to you in January, | |||
| *the info contained in the operational and investment update you received last month, | |||
| *precise figures for the Endowment's annual revenue and expenses over the past 7.5 years, | |||
| *a summary of all moneys the Wikimedia Foundation has paid to the Tides Foundation over the past 7.5 years, | |||
| *a list of the Wikimedia Endowment's highest-paid contractors, if any, besides the Tides Foundation, over the past 7.5 years, | |||
| *the value of the Endowment's cash and investment holdings as of July 2023, | |||
| ... if you could be so kind as to provide this information here on this page. I would then update the draft article copied above accordingly. Regards, --] <small>]]</small> 09:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::When you write "you appeared to have decided to do the exact opposite at that meeting", you are mistaken. At the meeting we discussed, to universal agreement, that we should publish more information and more often. I will check on each of the items that you mention - I'm on vacation at the moment and heading to Wikimania in Singapore tomorrow, so it will take a bit of time. I also don't know if the precise information you are asking for is what will be shared. I very much recommend that you not publish a story claiming that anything is becoming "more minimalist" since that's just not true. Be very careful and thoughtful with the timelines: at the summer endowment board meeting, the discussion about publishing more information and more often came about in no small part because the January minutes were something that I felt were not good enough in terms of being open and informative. (A financial report is forthccoming - I haven't seen it yet - but delayed because the relevant person creating it has taken a bit of family leave.) --] (]) 09:17, 11 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::Actions speak louder than words. Please allow us to report on the former as well as the latter. (If the January Meeting Minutes are duly expanded, giving a meaningful summary of Amy Parker's presentation, it would be my pleasure to report on this.) | |||
| :::As you are no doubt aware, the information I have asked for is no more than what the Endowment would have been legally required to disclose for the past 7.5 years if the Wikimedia Foundation had fulfilled its repeated promises, made , that it would soon convert the Wikimedia Endowment into a transparent 501(c)(3) charity making annual IRS disclosures of these data. | |||
| :::There is another thing I have noticed here. While the 501(c)(3) has now been operational for over a year, it appears that most of the money continues to be with Tides, and perhaps even to be sent to Tides. Is this true? At any rate, the most recent Form 990N (thanks for locating these, ]) shows {{tqq|Gross receipts not greater than: $50,000}} on the {{tqq|2022 Tax Year Form 990-N (e-Postcard) – Tax Period: 2022 (07/01/2022-06/30/2023)}}. The Endowment averaged over $20 million per annum during its first five years. So what happened to all the Endowment donations made since July 1 2022? It appears they were not declared as revenue for the 501(c)(3). | |||
| :::Lastly, I second ]'s questions above about the nature of the Endowment's investments. More transparency in that area would be welcome as well. Regards, ] <small>]]</small> 11:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::First, I don't have any ability or desire to "allow" or "disallow" you to write whatever you like. That's an odd way to phrase it. Second, as I said above, a financial report is forthcoming, although the relevant person has taken some family leave. You might find this document interesting: https://meta.wikimedia.org/Talk:Wikimedia_Endowment#/media/File:Tides-Transition.png --] (]) 16:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::According to the graphic, the Tides transfer has been "initialized", though it does not provide a completion date. | |||
| :::::I note you say at ]: {{xt|We ended the last fiscal year with $118 million in the WIkimedia Endowment and are projecting to grow the corpus by approximately $6.5 million depending on market performance and after expenses.}} | |||
| :::::This is a start. Providing a figure for the year's revenue and expenses, and the split between investments and cash, would be further steps in the right direction. Regards, ] <small>]]</small> 19:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ---- | |||
| This document may prove very helpful in terms of understanding the current state of play for the endowment: | |||
| . | |||
| A few other points which directly or indirectly answer some other questions: | |||
| 1. The Wikimedia Endowment fund has always been audited every year - as a part of Tides. If anyone is concerned that this is a giant pile of money with no oversight, that's not true. We have no means of initiating a new separate audit of Tides. | |||
| 2. Most of the endowment is moved. One of the good things about Tides is that they employ very rigorous financial controls, and as a part of their due diligence on the move (they have a fiduciary responsibility to do all this the right way) they of course need to make sure that the move is consistent with the donor's intentions. We are waiting for 2 more major donors to sign releases, and then those will be moved. We will also keep the Tides account open for several more months because they are receiving some residual income from some investments. This is all normal practice. The overall point is that people (like me!) who would have preferred that we just initiate a bank transfer for $118 million may not have realized how much care and control there is in these institutions. Everything takes time and there are many signoffs and moments of due diligence on all sides. Tides has tight financial controls in place that do not allow us to easily pull money out of the endowment, which is a good thing. | |||
| I'd like to add once again that a further financial report is delayed because the relevant person took some family leave. | |||
| My understanding of the cadence of other information releases at the moment is this: an annual fundraising report in the fall which is retrospective of FY 2022-2023 and covers both the WMF and the Endowment will be relased in the autumn, at the usual time. And after that the Annual Report for both the WMF and the Endowment will be released and that includes financials for the previous fiscal year. (Some of that information (in preliminary form) is in the deck that l link above.)--] (]) 12:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Eye images increase charitable donations == | |||
| Studies have shown that eye images increase prosocial behavior in humans. This has been studied by measuring charitable donations. One study found that the presence of eye images increased donations by 48% relative to control images. Something to keep in mind when designing donation drives. ]<sup>]/]</sup> 20:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :That's super interesting. I'm not personally involved in banner design but I'm sure some of the readers of this page will know who to pass this along to!--] (]) 12:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:09, 5 January 2025
| Welcome to my talk page. Please sign and date your entries by inserting ~~~~ at the end. Start a new talk topic. |
 | Jimbo welcomes your comments and updates – he has an open door policy. He holds the founder's seat on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees. The current trustees occupying "community-selected" seats are Rosiestep, Laurentius, Victoria and Pundit. The Wikimedia Foundation's Lead Manager of Trust and Safety is Jan Eissfeldt. |
| This page is semi-protected and you will not be able to leave a message here unless you are a registered editor. Instead, you can leave a message here |
 | This user talk page might be watched by friendly talk page stalkers, which means that someone other than me might reply to your query. Their input is welcome and their help with messages that I cannot reply to quickly is appreciated. |
 | This talkpage has been mentioned by a media organization:
|
Centralized discussion
- AI-generated images depicting living people
- Blocks for promotional activity outside of mainspace
- Voluntary RfAs after resignation
- Proposed rewrite of WP:BITE
- LLM/chatbot comments in discussions
The Signpost: 24 December 2024
- From the archives: Where to draw the line in reporting?
- Recent research: "Misplaced Pages editors are quite prosocial", but those motivated by "social image" may put quantity over quality
- Gallery: A feast of holidays and carols
- Traffic report: Was a long and dark December
Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder!
Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Albert Percy Godber
Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.
Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Category: