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== Help for suicidal people == |
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== Remove mention of nihilism == |
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I think there should be two hatnotes below the existing ones. The first one should link to the Misplaced Pages article on suicide crisis lines, saying something like: If you are feeling suicidal, you deserve to feel better and can find worldwide crisis lines from people who will listen to you from this article: ] |
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Nihilism is a philosophical concept and is inappropriate to be listed as a risk factor for suicide. People who are nihilist do not necessarily have a greater risk factor for suicide. ] (]) 04:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC) |
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And the second one should say: For a list of resources actively maintained by the Wikimedia Foundation, see Meta:Mental health resources. |
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:I'm not currently able to review them, but that sentence is cited to three different sources. Presuming that all three specifically reference nihilism, are you saying they're wrong? Can you provide another source that disputes it? ] (]) 06:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2024 == |
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They should be a couple spaces below the already existing ones so it'll catch the eye of suicidal people immediately ] (]) 10:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Adding this type of hatnote gets discussed every few months on this talk page. It hasn't received enough support to achieve consensus, I also suggest you read the old discussions in the archives so as not to retread old ground.--] (]) 11:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Change the line "Suicide the 10th leading..." to "Suicide is the 10th leading..." in the first line of the third paragraph. ] (]) 16:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::When my battery's charged I will, although if it hasn't achieved consensus yet I don't see that as a reason not to try again. People might feel differently this time ] (]) 11:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp -->, thanks. ] (]) 20:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:We shouldn't even have the "for information on prevention" note in the first place. We definitely shouldn't be adding any more. --] (]) (]) 10:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Autism presented as mental illness? == |
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:There should be a link to support services for suicidal people. ] (]) 23:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi, two relevant sentences on suicide risk in the autistic population are included under the mental illness subheading. Unless this can be linked to mental illness definitively and in a way that does not represent autism as being a mental illness itself, should it be under a different (or its own) subheading? Or should things be reordered to provide a subheading for neurodevelopmental conditions generally? ] (]) 00:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Did you read the information in the banner at the top regarding this? ] (]) 02:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Well one reason "not to try" is because it's officially endorsing certain beliefs and by extent condemning other ones. Not everybody believes in the same things, including regarding suicide, not everybody thinks it's unethical, or something to be prevented, some believe the exact opposite, different people and societies across time view it in many many different ways. |
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::::It's not our place to support certain beliefs and not all the rest. Misplaced Pages should be a place of impartiality. The article should only contain the relevant and unbiased information on the topic, not prejudicial notes. ] (]) 17:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:This has been discussed many times in the past, but yet I strongly believe this should be added in some way or another. I will admit than in times in the past, this singular Misplaced Pages article almost ended up in my death. I think that while Misplaced Pages should have a neutral point of view, it is just morally wrong to ignore what the article could do, and have this page without any form of advice. The content certainly shouldn't be censored, but we don't want to cause or encourage suicide without at least giving a little bit of help. I think there should at least be one final consensus either way, and to leave a notice about that at the top of this page to stop further discussion. Has ArbCom discussed this at all? ~ ] (]) 03:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::I hear you, however, you'd be forcing your view/beliefs onto others. |
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::While you say: "it is just morally wrong to ignore what the article could do, and have this page without any form of advice", and: "but we don't want to cause or encourage suicide without at least giving a little bit of help". I would contend for just the opposite, suicide is neither morally wrong, nor morally neutral, but rather it's morally good, and trying to make people doubt themselves or not due so is just morally wrong; and that it's morally wrong to perpetuate the idea that suicide is universally viewed as unequivocally wrong. I'd say we should definitely give help, help for the people who wish to perform suicide to do so comfortably and effectively, something that people are often deprived of when they do die. I'd say any act of prevention any barrier is extremely cruel and wrong. |
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::We all believe different things. What I said wasn't some joke hypothetical, that's genuinely what I believe, but I'm also not one to dismiss other people's perspectives or to force my view onto them, I'd say we should represent all view in the article itself, and not chose to give one special weight disregarding all others. ] (]) 23:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:::I didn't think I'd actually be able to see the other side, but I do understand where you are coming from. I think a simple hatnote with a link to ] would be fine. Like on this talk page: "The Wikimedia Foundation's Trust and Safety team maintains a list of crisis support resources." That is just a statement of fact, and doesn't have any biases. |
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:::Coming back to this later: abiding by Misplaced Pages policies is important, and the existing links on ] and ] to ] are pretty good- maybe nothing more is needed? The ] also provided some good insight into reasons why and why not. So in that case I guess maybe there is nothing else to be done... I'll think on it some more! ~ ] (]) 02:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::::The ONLY question that is relevant is "Is including such a note encyclopedic?" And the answer is "no". Coverage of such services in the article and links to articles on such service are, a "get help here" note isn't. --] (]) (]) 15:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Something similar to a simple hatnote like they proposed is absolutely not something “forcing your view/beliefs onto others.”. I understand your reasoning in your comments but I heavily disagree. ] (]) 18:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Fortunately, suicide is illegal..that keeps people from doing it ] (]) 23:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::That's just factually inaccurate. You might want to read the article. ] (]) 23:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::] --] (]) 15:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::I really, really hope you aren't serious... ~ ] (]) 23:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::I believe they were being sarcastic ] (]) 11:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:I've split it off but I understand that this may not be the best solution. I've linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/Autism#Self-injury_and_suicide as the main article. ] (]) 00:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Prevention as a hatnote? == |
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Should the data be updated from 2016? ] (]) 23:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Is this some sort of compromise in response to the sporadic requests for a link to a crisis line? I can see no ambiguity within the context of search terms; no one's going to end up here expecting to end up at ]. ] 18:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2025 == |
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:There's a header on this page with a link to the corresponding RfC. ] (]) 21:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Health problems can also be a reason for suicide. Can you add that. ] (]) 15:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Nihilism is a philosophical concept and is inappropriate to be listed as a risk factor for suicide. People who are nihilist do not necessarily have a greater risk factor for suicide. Cateydotnet (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi, two relevant sentences on suicide risk in the autistic population are included under the mental illness subheading. Unless this can be linked to mental illness definitively and in a way that does not represent autism as being a mental illness itself, should it be under a different (or its own) subheading? Or should things be reordered to provide a subheading for neurodevelopmental conditions generally? Micahtchi (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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Note: The question of adding a crisis hotline number to this article has been discussed. Please review previous discussions before bringing it up again. See Talk:Suicide/crisis hotline link, and also this request for comment. The hat note should not be changed without first establishing a new consensus.
Done, thanks. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)