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==This edit==
==What do you want sourced?==
really made my day. Thanks for the smile (and the point). --] ] 13:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
In the ] article you placed the {{tl|unsourced}} tag. I see maybe three more spots that need a footnote directly. What exactly do you want referenced?
:Those three. :) My main problem is that, even though these claims may indeed be true, Misplaced Pages is based on ], not truth. Also see their policy on ]. ~ ] 03:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
::Also, don't use "Rvv" so gratuitously- not everything is vandalism. --] 03:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:::My apologies. ~ ] 03:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
::::It appears, however, you've done your work and the article has benefited from it. FA articles face scrutiny only to improve them. ~ ] 03:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


==Re: user page layout==
Hello -


Thanks for the message, and no, I don't mind at all. It's not a one-day job to copy because you'll have to change a lot of usernames and page names from mine to yours, but it's pretty straightforward once you get into it.
Regarding , "rvv" stands for "revert vandalism" and is highly offensive if what you are removing is not actually vandalism. Before you start talking about Misplaced Pages policies, do you realize who ] (who you accused of being a vandal) is? He is responsible for directing the featured article process on Misplaced Pages, and is also an administrator, a bureaucrat, and an arbitrator. <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> &bull; 2007-01-11 09:11</small>
:Please see my statement two posts up. Thank you. Keep in mind, however, if a user reverts my edits that pertain to Misplaced Pages policy, and said user does not ], I will call them out on vandalism, administrator or not. They are not gods. ~ ] 19:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


It's ] original design. I asked his permission and he said he liked my finished product. Unfortunately, Gurch went a little nutso several months ago, not long after I got my mop, and he blanked his user page then requested G7 deletion.
==Minimum wage external link confusion==
Hi, UBeR.


If you want the status switcher, you need Misza13's ], a ], and a ] page. I have three status choices but you can have as many or as few as you want - the script will support them all. The script itself is a little tricky to get to work. In the end, I copied Misza13's entire monobook.js page to get everything to function correctly. Misza had the same stuff I had, Twinkle and popups and VoiceofAll's scripts, so my problem must have been in the order they were on my page or something.
I'm not trying to make your life difficult! I'm probably terribly confused. I've been trying to enter a link to a famous, internationally-used article on Minimum Wages to the External Links section on Misplaced Pages. I think I've misunderstood what the External Links might be about. I apologize for my misunderstandings.


If you want the calendar, you'll need both ] and ] pages. My /Calendar page is Gurch's original with a few changes, but I decided I wanted more variety and less "nothing interesting is happening today", so I changed it to /Calendarcurrentmonth. Now it changes on the first of every month, ] leads to ], and so on. (That reminds me - I've got to do CalendarJune pretty soon.) The calendar is all transclusion, no script required.
I don't understand how an article in a respected encyclopedia by a well-known professor, published and in use in the U.S. in classrooms and internationally in libraries for over 10 years, and in the top 10 of Google's rankings, is rejected by Misplaced Pages in its External Links section.


Let me know if you have questions or need help, and of course, tell me when you've got it completely ready - I'd like to see it! Have fun! :-) - ]] 00:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I apologize for re-entering the link when it confusingly kept disappearing. I see now that you are begging me to look at some kind of discussion on the matter. I will stop re-entering it! I simply didn't understand why it kept disappearing. If it is unwanted on Misplaced Pages, so be it.
:Thanks a whole lot! That status things like too much work though, lol. Cheers. ~ ] (]) 02:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


:: It looks terrific! :-) Status switcher isn't any trouble at all once you get the script to work, and when it works it's really, really cool. Calendar is a bit of trouble but I like it, so I do it - and once I've got the whole year done, it won't be any work anymore either. Great job! - ]] 02:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics has the finest articles in the world, including dozens of articles by Nobel Prize winners. If you look up "economics encyclopedia" on Google, we do better than Misplaced Pages. It seems a small thing to ask to not have links to the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics deleted by Misplaced Pages, eh? It looks kind of self-serving.
:::Thanks! ~ ] (]) 04:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


==Requesting your input at ]==
http://www.econlib.org/library/ENC/MinimumWages.html
Since you are a member of ], I would like to direct your attention to ]. We are currently deciding on an economics-related article to bring to ] status and we would like your input. Thanks! ]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:small;">(])</span> 15:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
On Google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=economics+encyclopedia&btnG=Google+Search


==Really is an olive branch==
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minimum+wages&btnG=Google+Search
But, very nice job on some of these glacier articles. I think the Glaciers of Minnesota article is a mess, and I've been trying to contribute some of my non-expert knowledge, but I see your name everywhere on these articles. You don't have to answer me, but I just wanted you to know that these articles are substantially approved over the past few months, because of you. Also, I'm stealing your layout of your user page. If you don't want me to do it, just post something somewhere. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I steal it from KK, from whom you've adapted your user page.] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Much thanks. I think the Minnesota article is decent, but it needs in-text citations. The Quaternary article is rather good, and needs some reference formatting and perhaps a few more inline citations. That article is nearly complete and could make GA with few more workers to improve its quality.


::The layout I got from KK, which she got from Gurch. I've been trying to find a good color scheme. Best of luck with that. ~ ] (]) 18:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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:::Well, one of my hobbies in North American glaciation during the Holocene. I was thinking of putting together an article on the recent history of the glaciation of the Sierra Nevadas. I don't quite qualify as a global warming denialist, but there some weird evidence that gives me pause, such as most, if not all, of the current glaciers in California are remnants of the Little Ice Age as opposed to the larger scale glaciations of greater than 10,000 years ago. Anyways, do you think a Sierra glaciation article (I can't find one) might be useful? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 20:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you dearly for bring up and discussing the issue with me on my talk page. Recently there was some controversy on the Misplaced Pages article for having linked to a blog by Harvard professor, presidential economic advisor, and textbook author ]. As it stands, the minimum wage is a controversial topic for debate. It was felt that a controversial opinion of simply one person, no matter how highly regarded, was not suited in the encyclopedic article--nevermind the fact is was nothing more than a simple blog. If we were to continue that trend, there would be literally thousands of external links to blogs or other unofficial Web sites of pundits stating their opinion. We feel that is detrimental to Misplaced Pages. At any rate, the External Links is reserved for special purposes. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, resources, or links. It would be highly beneficial to go over Misplaced Pages's policy on external links at ]. Here is a short copy of some of what it says:
::::BTW, a suggestion about your user page, your big red lines are kind of overkill. I like this page for readability. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 20:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I've actually been reading some of Muir's work. It's nice. An article on glaciation in the Sierra Nevada could be of use, but I would check ] first.


:::::As for the layout, I've tried a few other schemes that I don't like so much: . I'll fiddle around some more. ~ ] (]) 21:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:'''What should be linked'''
::::::Not too sure about the green lol. ~ ] (]) 22:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:* 1. Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any.
:::::::Never mind. The red is best there. LOL. Back to the Sierras. Yosemite is fine, but I was thinking more of ] or something like that. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:* 2. An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply.
←Love the blue color matching on your Talk page and User page. Beautiful. I might steal it ;) ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:* 3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Misplaced Pages article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.
:Hah, yeah took a while to settle on a color. ~ ] (]) 04:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:* 4. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.
::Might I swipe this format from you? I really like it. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 00:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Feel free. The coding is a bit messy though. ~ ] (]) 01:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


==Don't let Connolley hold thw RfC page hostage==
:'''Links to be considered'''
If Connolley decides to erase the RfC, the page is now found here:
:* 1. For albums, movies, books, and other creative works, links to professional reviews.
:* 2. A web directory category, when deemed appropriate by those contributing to the article, with preference to open directories.
:* 3. Very large pages should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Worldwide, many use Misplaced Pages with a low-speed connection. Unusually large pages should be annotated as such.


] (]) 06:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thus, what must be considered first is whether the information from said article can be placed into the Misplaced Pages article, rather than simply linking to it in the external links section. But to address the specific issue of the specific article at hand, please keep in mind one of Misplaced Pages's founding principles is to keep a ]. Nonetheless, unless the opinions stated by Linda Gorman are the official opinions of The Library of Economics and Liberty, then we feel her opinion lacks space in the article's external link section (though perhaps beneficial to the mainspace of the article).


==Re: Suspected Socks==
:Again, thank you for contacting me. Hopefully this has cleared any confusion; if, however, you have questions or wish to continue discussing this with me, feel free to add your perspective here. ~ ] 20:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Per , and accordingly, ]'s tagging of ] and ]. Hope this answers your question. Regards, ] (]) 16:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oh! Thank you, UBeR. I apologize first for just not knowing how to respond in an appropriate medium or even read your response or respond to it! I hope I'm doing that okay here. I just can barely make out how to use Misplaced Pages's syntax to make entries to things like External Links. Thank you for responding in a way I could read!
:Ah, thanks. ~ ] (]) 16:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


==Lead for climate article==
::You've done a very credible job of explaining the problems.
Raymond has proposed a structural change for the article which might allow the current length to be reasonable. Even as it stands, throwing one line in the lead per each climate regime could make the lead too long. An editor (could have been Raymond) made a comment during an edit that the lead was too long, due to redundancy, during one of his edits of the article and it was shortened. I'm willing to leave the tag there for the time being...but there needs to be clarification as to what would need to be added to the lead (which is included in the main article) to make the lead a "proper length," so the editors aren't just left guessing. ] (]) 18:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:The template was on the talk page since May 3; I simply moved it to the mainspace where it belongs. Dr. Arritt's edit was simply removing over-specific information from the lead, which doesn't negate the fact that, overall, the lead is too short and does not adequately summarize the main points of the article. To wit, I would personally suggest explaining in more detail the classifications and explaining modern measurements and the current trend of global warming. (After the sentence on paleoclimatology, I think that could be a good spot to discuss current modern recording. After that is the sentence on climate models, which is there already. After the climate models would be a good spot to discuss the trend of global warming.) Furthermore, the way it's currently put together, it doesn't seem very coherent. The flow seems awkward. It's as if each sentence in the lead just summarizes a section of the article but doesn't really put it in any context for the reader. ~ ] (]) 18:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


==Requested photo==
::Though I don't think your actual objection has anything to do with this, the article by Dr. Gorman is a neutral point of view. It is a republication of an article published in 1993 in print in the _Encyclopedia of Economics_ (1993, David R. Henderson, ed. Time, Inc., NY). It is not any kind of official view of the Library of Economics and Liberty (Econlib). The _Concise Encyclopedia of Economics_ is a republication that happens to be one of hundreds of economics books available online. Econlib is an online publisher of hundreds of books, since the late 1990s. Dr. Gorman's article just happens to be relevant to the Misplaced Pages article on Minimum Wages.
Hello! I noticed that on your userpage you state that you are living in St. Paul. Would you be willing to take and upload a photo of the ]? It would be much appreciated. —] <sup>(])</sup> 01:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Mail me a digital camera and I sure would. ~ ] (]) 03:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:: :-P do I look like I'm made of money??? If I were filthy rich I could just fly to St. Paul and take the picture myself!
::In all seriousness, if you can't that's fine, but if you get the chance to use a cell phone camera or something, that would be great. —] <sup>(])</sup> 04:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't even have a cable to connect to my computer from my phone. It does not look like I am the one to contact about doing this stuff. ;-) Best of luck. ~ ] (]) 04:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
::::OK, I see. Thanks anyway. —] <sup>(])</sup> 04:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


== Editor Review ==
::It's like your asking Project Gutenberg to say that, because they publish a work by Karl Marx, they should affirm that a link to one of their online publications of some of Marx's work represents their view before it can be put forth as a new link in the External Link section on Misplaced Pages.


I just wanted you to know that I have added a ] to your request on ] %%]%% (]) 05:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::All the same, I appreciate your response.
:Ah, that's quite old, but thanks for your review! ~ ] (]) 06:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::no problem, I wanted to start with some old ones. %%]%% (]) 07:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


==Saint Paul GA Preparation==
::What I think your actual objection is about is this: that the content of the Misplaced Pages article on minimum wages is far afield for Misplaced Pages editors, and that you can't really parse it all, so you are putting a stop to further additions.
Hello,


The ] article is being prepared for GA Nomination ahead of the ] and the attention the article will be receiving (and in some cases already has).
::That kind of frankness I can understand!
::From ]
:::That's not exactly my objection, from the way I see it at least. Seeing as how Linda Gorman takes sides, stating, "the law is simply one more example of good intentions producing hellish results," I feel it lacks a great deal of neutrality towards the minimum wage. While her views are perfectly substantiated and informative, they lack any kind of official statements. The external links section should be reserved for official Web sites that pertain to the minimum wage (e.g. the BLS Web site). The external links should also be reserved for information or data that isn't readily or easily able to be put in the main sections of the article. No doubt, her information at that link you have posted could be useful if added to the main article and using that link as a source (rather than simply inserting the link to the external link section without context). ~ ] 23:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Other editors and myself have been working on the article lately and we would like to you to help. If you have additions, comments, concerns, questions or other feed back, it is all appreciated. There is a ] already set up and detailed ] that need to be fixed is on the talk page. These items can be crossed off when completed. Feel free to add to the list and sign your username, so that we know who added it.
Thanks, UBeR. That was much clearer. I'm certainly not going to quibble about details. The Misplaced Pages Minimum Wages article is obviously the object of controversy. The last thing I ever intended to do was add to that, or to your editorial burdens in addressing any controversy! I appreciate your taking the time to respond to a Misplaced Pages novice, and I apologize again for any inconvenience I may have caused.--laurenjf
:Do not be so hard on yourself! Misplaced Pages asks you to be ]! Misplaced Pages asks you to ], if it means that you can make Misplaced Pages a better place. ~ ] 20:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


Any help is appreciated. Also, if you would like to work on other articles directly related to Saint Paul, especially those that link off the Saint Paul article, that would be great too.
==Global Warming==
Given Raul654 removed the word "popo" six times from the ] article I don't think that describing his own actions as rm idiocy was unreasonable. He wasn't referring to your edits. --] ] 19:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:If you look at the edit with the description of "removing idiocy," it is reverting my edits of adding the unreferenced section, as per Misplaced Pages's policies. ~ ] 19:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks and have a great day, ] (]) 19:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Adding <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tags to information that is both (a) readily obvious, and (b) already linked from the previous sentence is a misuse of the fact tag. Do not do it again. ] 20:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:So not only are all the roads being redone in preparation for the RNC, but so are our Misplaced Pages articles. They both mean the same thing though: gridlock. ;-) Best of luck. ~ ] (]) 23:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:OK, so you obviously did not do as I suggested. But I'll reiterate: please review Misplaced Pages's fundamental policies on ] and ]. Just keep in mind that Misplaced Pages is not truth, but rather verifiability (as discussed earlier in Global Warming's discussion page on the fallacies of Misplaced Pages). It's long been held, by Misplaced Pages, that other Misplaced Pages articles are '''not''' to be used as a source for information in other articles. That is not how it works on Misplaced Pages, ]. It still stands, the section is unreferenced. I was not wrong in my edits.


== WikiPropaganda - WMC & his GW POV Censors are Finally Exposed on CBS ==
:Second, the problem was not so much about the protocols intent, as we all know its intentions. What's less obvious is the fruits of the protocol, the extent to which its intents are being carried out by the signatories, and its enforcements. My regards. ~ ] 22:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


At last the world is coming to know of the WikiPropaganda which we have been fighting for years. See: ~~ ] (]) 21:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm well acquainted in our verifiability and NOR policies, seeing as how I helped write them and have spent 3 years as an arbitrator interpreting them.
::Citations are generallly not required for common knowledge. But you know this, because .
::So, as to , you added fact tags to two statements:
::* "Countries that ratify this ] commit to reduce their emissions of carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases"
::* "or engage in ] if they maintain or increase emissions of these gases."
::Both of these are plainly common knowledge, and covered *at length* in the linked article. And, policy specifically says that no references are needed for these facts: "There is no need to repeat all specific references for the subtopics in the main "Summary style" article: the "Summary style" article summarizes the content of each of the subtopics, without need to give detailed references for each of them in the main article" -- ].
::In the future, I suggest you familiarize yourself with Wikipeida policy before attempting to quote it at people who know it better than you do. I will be restoring the section to the version that was there before you disrupted it.] 22:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::It's my understanding that, per ], references are not needed in a summary paragraph that links to a subarticle, if the facts are covered by the subarticle. The references and more detail should be available in the subarticle. --] <small>(])</small> 22:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
::::], you are not understanding what I'm saying, or perhaps just not reading it, if you are so capable. First and foremost, the section is not a summary of any sub article; check for yourself. Second, the '''intent''' is obvious. The intent is to have the signatories commit to the protocol. I have not seen the fruits of the protocol. Have you? Most certainly not. It's not so plain as day, ergo it is not "common knowledge." So please, familiarize yourself with topics far beyond the scope of your education, lest you misinterpret the people who know it better than you. ~ ] 22:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


UBeR, I want to get your advice on a new Article which I have written. The Article is titled "Wikipropaganda" and seeks to describe a new word or concept which has arisen since Lawrence Solomon first wrote an article of this name. This article has been published by National Review Online and reprinted on the CBS News website. The fact that this word/concept has entered widespread use is easily verified through a google search for wikipropaganda which returns well over 4,000 webpages using this term. The article was well referenced and only quotes from the published referenced work. I tried to keep from inserting any POV and simply referenced published sources for the information describing the term. Unfortunately, the article was immediately deleted without explanation. I reposted it and was pleased to see several other editors adding to the article. Again, it was deleted and this time I was blocked for 24 hours by Raul654. This ia an article on a genuine subject which merits inclusion in Misplaced Pages. How can I get the article on Misplaced Pages without constantly being censored simply because the topic does not reflect well on certain Misplaced Pages editors and administrators? What are the rules under which these deletions are occurring? Misplaced Pages now very much resembles "Animal Farm" where the rules are being defined, bent and interpreted by the bureaucrats to their sole benefit. ~~ ] (]) 16:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


== 2008 meetup ==
Uber, I have great respect for both you and Raul. But it does no good to have an ] over minor points like this. Try backing off from the article, and discuss the matter on the talk page. --] 20:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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<div style="float:left; padding:10px 10px 0 0; clear:left">]</div><div style="float:left; clear:none; padding:10px"><div style="font-size:150%; padding-bottom:0.5em">Minnesota Meetup</div><div style="font-size:100%">Saturday, ] noon (12:00)<br /></div></div><div style="font-size:120%; float:right; padding:10px">Please pass this on! ]</div>
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You said you wished you could have made the last meetup, so I wanted to make sure you knew about this one. Hope to see you there. ] (]) 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
==]==
:Hm, that's one day after my birthday, so I may be able to do it. Cheers. ~ ] (]) 03:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would make sense to combine your efforts in this article with ], which is also under development (albeit more slowly)? Incidentally, an excellent source for matters glacial and geological is Ojakangas, Richard W. and Matsch, Charles L, ''Minnesota's Geology'' (University of Minnesota Press, 1982) ISBN 0-8166-0953-5. I'll watch your page if you want to keep the thread together. ] 21:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for taking notice in ]. I've just finished all of my major edits. ~ ] 00:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


Town Hall Brewery
==Your mangling of ]==
Please do ''not'' change other peoples contributions to talk pages, as you did . Apart from the snide "trollish" comments that might violate ], its not acceptable to take other editors's comments out of context in this way. Thanks. --] 20:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
1430 Washington Ave S
:No comments were edited, but rather were simply moved to the appropriate section within the discussion page. ~ ] 22:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Minneapolis, MN 55454
::Appropriateness is in the eye of the beholder. You took them out of the original context. That is generally considered bad form. --] 22:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
(612) 339-8696
:::Nothing was taken out of context. Every single comment was left in the exact same location in relation to the other comments. Discussion of inadequacies of climate models ought to be in the section of "Inadequacies of Climate Models," not "Datasets and Methods Are Not Available for Audit," as the author of that section promptly explained. My regards, ~ ] 22:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
October 11, 2008
::::Maybe we misunderstand each other. As an example, RonCram's "Somehow this discussion has gotten off topic. The discussion of computer models is in the section above..." used to follow Childhoodsend's comment on models, where it made sense. Now it does not. The development of the discussion is much harder to figure out now. I'm not necessarily claiming that your version is not better organized (although I do object to the uncalled-for "trolls"), but it's not authentic. --] 22:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
::::P.S.: I appreciate that you took out the trolls now.--] 22:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
]
:::::Perhaps you are right. Feel free to revert it or organize in to a better way. Keep in mind, however, its impolite to the author of a section to engage in discussion wholly irrelevant to what the author was speaking about (and should probably be kept in a more appropriate or new section). ~ ] 22:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


Muddy Waters
==Help me!==
Could you help me at all to make a cool looking user page such as yours? I'm not very good at this... ~ ] 19:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
2401 Lyndale Ave S
:Thank you for your nice comments. I would love to help you with your userpage, though it would be easier if you asked something a bit more spesific.
Minneapolis, MN 55405
:For me my userpage is more or less a sandbox where I try different designs and styles. If I like the designs, I use them on articles/templates/etc.
(612) 872-2232
:--<small>] ]</small> 13:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
October 10, 2008
::I don't know. I tried fooling around with the code on your userpage. I was able to get the "My watchlist" in a small table (like the user box list) that was just one column, but it was messy. Having that though, with small text, and on the left side of my user page would be awesome, especially then I could write inbetween that and the userbox (so the main text is in the middle). And maybe some table or something for my awards... Not sure. Do you think you could help me out with that? I just noticed your user page and thought it was very well done. ~ ] 18:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
:::Hi, Sorry for the somewhat late response. I'd be glad to help, but if I do all the work, I wouldn't be really helping you. :) You may want to create a few sub pages.
]
:::Could you draw me what you want on paint so I know what exactly is you want. (userpage is often a matter of taste)
::: --<small>] ]</small> 17:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
::::I understand. I tried messing around trying to get a little better. Didn't make much progress lol. I am not very fluent in this coding language ^^. But anyway, . Not sure if you'd be able to do so, but any help would be much appreciated! ~ ] 19:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::How is it now? Note that I created two sub pages for you: ], ] --<small>] ]</small> 21:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's precisely it! Thank you very much! ~ ] 21:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


(Almost) Happy birthday to you! Hope you can go. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -] (]) 15:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
==Block warning==
Your continued trolling on WMC's talk page will not be tolerated. If you continue to harass him, you can expect to be blocked. ] 19:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:Mr. Raul, I am not sure if you aware of this, but Wikipedians, administrators or not, are human. Humans are fallible. To think that because Mr. Connolley is an administrator and therefore not fallible is illogical. The warnings serve no other purpose other than to do exactly that: warn him politely. ~ ] 19:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


==]==
::Please consider ]. The fact that you chide WMC on ], and yet give other editors whose behavior has been much worse a free pass, is a bit odd. You have made good contributions here. Please don't blow it by making things personal. ] 20:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a ]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the ]. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are ]. Reviewers' concerns are ]. --] (]) 05:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your discussion on my talk page, Raymond Arritt. I hold your opinion with high regard. Let it be known that I do not support abuse of Misplaced Pages policies by any user. In particular, however, I do support the systematic disregard of these policies by appointed administrators. I am a firm believer in equality amongst every user on Misplaced Pages; administrators, in particular, are not above the policies; Misplaced Pages does not endorse elitism, nor should it ever. While I recognize the common user typically comes in discord with some of the policies, it is especially baneful to Misplaced Pages when these users are administrators. It is of utmost importance to me that I acknowledge those administrators so that we may come to some sort of concord with those who respect the policies at hand. ~ ] 21:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


==Standing Offer/Request==
If you think that William is close to violating the 3RR on an article and you have reason to suspect that he is likely to go over, the correct thing to do is to drop him a note - "You're getting close on . You ''only'' should use {{tl|3RR}} when (a) you have reason to suspect that the editor is unaware of the 3RR, and (b) you can't be bothered to take a minute to put it in your own words, which is impolite, but not horrible. Using boilerplate meant to warn newbies on an established editor is an insult...and if you actually wanted to insult William, I'm sure you could find a way to do so with far more finesse. Cheers. ] 22:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Given our past interactions on various topics I thought I would make the following offer.
:Thank you kindly for your explanation, Guettarda. In a mere paragraph you've helped more to explain the problem than was accomplished through the impolite remarks from what is supposed to be an arbitrator. My regards, ~ ] 22:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


If you ever have something you want me to offer an opinion on or that you feel I might personally be interested in anywhere on wikipedia, its talk pages, or within any of the official forums such as noticeboards, RfCs, RfAs, and the like, please contact me directly on my talk page and feel free to reference this standing request. I trust your judgment in deciding which topics might be of interest to me, and please keep me informed of any topics in general as well as items specifically involving you personally. --] (]) 01:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Since the point has been made, there's no reason to re-state it. Once the sentiment has been communicated, there's no need for it to stand on the page. Talk pages are not a "public record" where points need to be made, they are vehicles for communication. What you are doing reflects badly on you.
:I'm not very active on Misplaced Pages anymore, so I doubt that will be necessary. ~ ] (]) 20:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::While some people will stick up for their friends no matter what, admins (we have over 1000 of them) are as fractious a group as any. If William or Mark were actually behaving as badly as you perceive them to be, there would be a chorus of complaints. If you have a complaint, raise it at ] or file an RFC (although that takes at least one other person who has had the same problem with the editor). If no one takes your complaint seriously, then you really need to ask yourself whether it was a valid complaint, or whether you are misreading the situation. These are two very high-profile people - if there is valid criticism of them, lots of people would jump on board. You may not trust me, or Stephan, or Raymond to be unbiased in our reaction to your criticisms of William, but there are a lot of people who either have no horse in that race, or have reason to be hostile to one or both of them. Don't seek out conflict - if you have a case, lay it out publicly, see what people have to say...and try not to take what's said through the lens of your opinion about the community. But doing what you are doing will only exhaust people's patience with you, and if most people see you as disruptive it's really hard to change that opinion. ] 23:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Guettarda, I'm disappointed that you feel that way. But I can assure you, my strifes with Mr. Connolley are not unfounded and I am not alone in my dissent and discord with this user.
::::There is more than just "a chorus of complaints". There are numerous choirs for years...and each time the actions are hidden by high-volume minor edits, ganging up on the choir members to chase them away or blocking them to the point of frustration. -- ] 02:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


==A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies==
==I've fixed that by removing it. User:William M. Connolley==
Hi. I have emailed you to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please email me ] (]) 19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Here is a clear example of how William M. Connolley works, I have bolded below to highlight obvious censorship and biased POV
:I'm surprised you've found me. I haven't edited here in quite some time. I'll respond to your e-mail. Thanks for the message. Regards, ] (]) 19:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
This is from the ] page in the section titled: == Svante Arrhenius ==


==RfC on ] lead image alignment==
::'''Unfortunately, ] has some problems (i.e. the standard sceptics claim that water vapour is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect). Will somebody with more knowledge about sources than I write a sufficiently nuanced sentence there? --] 07:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)'''
A ] has been opened to discuss the issue of alignment of the lead image on the ] article. Because you have previously commented or been involved with this issue, your input is requested. Please stop by ] and leave any feedback you may have. Thank you. ] (]) 03:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:There's been plenty of discussion already. I doubt my input will be necessary. ~ ] (]) 15:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::Never mind. Perhaps it is a good idea to leave a comment. ~ ] (]) 15:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


== ''Morse v. Frederick'' - Good article review ==
::: '''I've fixed that by removing it. It wasn't relevant there anyway ] 09:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)'''


I noticed you contributed to '']'' in the past, and just wanted to let you know that the article is currently undergoing a ]. Feel free to contribute more to the article if you wish! --] <sub>(])</sub> 19:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
''We have to start the process of having Misplaced Pages review his actions and remove his Administrator status.'' -- ] 21:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you. See ] ~ ] 21:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


==Answer==
==Internet capitlization==
Your question has been ]. Sort of. ] (]) 19:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I saw in one of your edit summaries that you believe that "Internet" is always spelled with a capital "I". and in various other places in Misplaced Pages about this issue. I'm pretty sure that some manuals of style also mandate a lower-case "i" - mine are all at home so I can't check right now. I agree with you, though - it's a proper noun and should be capitalized. Just wanted to share this interesting historic note! --] 22:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:Haha, thanks! ~ ] (]) 23:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you for contacting me on my talk page about this issue, ElKevbo. I am well aware of the detractors of proper nouns, including those at the BBC and Wired. And I dissent. In fact, I, myself, have engaged in some of the earlier debates here at Misplaced Pages on whether to capitalize Internet and World Wide Web, both clearly proper nouns. I soon found such discussions as futile, as there were always the few who cried "nationalism" and "bias," because it is more of a tendency for British English to not capitalize these words, as it is for American English. The simple fact is, however, that these both are proper nouns, and to not capitalize them is to go against very long-standing syntax of the English language. And I do believe the writer of that BBC commentary said it nicely: '''"Forgive me for saying, but those who choose "internet" over "Internet" are as wrong as those who would visit london, meet the queen or go for a boat trip down the river thames."'''


==Minnesota Meetup==
:So whilst it is becoming ever so futile to have the articles of ] actually change "webpage" to "Web page," or ] to change "website" to "Web site," as both are clearly shortened versions of "World Wide Web page/site," I still feel it important that articles that do not directly relate to this subject at least use the proper and correct usage, as this is still an encyclopedia, albeit online. ~ ] 22:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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::W/website doesn't bother me. Not capitalizing Web does. And they'll pry the capital "I" in Internet from my cold, dead hands. I understand the desire of journalists to make their job a bit easier but they shouldn't sacrifice clarity and accuracy in their quest for ease. --] 22:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
<div style="float:left; padding:10px 10px 0 0; clear:left">]</div><div style="float:left; clear:none; padding:10px"><div style="font-size:150%; padding-bottom:0.5em">2009</div><div style="font-size:120%">Proposed date: Saturday, October 10.<br/> ].<br/></div></div><div style="font-size:100%; float:right; padding:10px">Please share this with anyone who may be interested.</div>
:::I agree. There is a big difference between a web and the Web, as there is between an internet and the Internet. The BBC article you linked to tries to point this out as well. Misplaced Pages has tried settle some of the disputes, writing,
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::::''In June 2005, the ] ruled that, when either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for a Misplaced Pages editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. For example, with respect to British spelling as opposed to American spelling, it would only be acceptable to change from American spelling to British spelling if the article concerned a British topic. Revert warring over optional styles is unacceptable; if the article uses '']'' rather than '']'', it would be wrong to switch simply to change styles, although editors should ensure that articles are internally consistent. If it has been stable in a given style, do not change it without some style-independent reason. If in doubt, defer to the style used by the first major contributor. See ].''
<div style="clear:both; font-size:xx-small; text-align:right;">Delivered by ] (]) 16:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)</div>
:::::''See the ] section below for an example of such an issue.''
:Update: the meetup will be at 1 p.m. Sunday, October 11, in St. Paul. Click ''']''' for more details and to R.S.V.P. ] (])
:::But there are still problems for articles such as ], which are neutral in terms of national relationship (though America dominates in number of Web sites). So in articles that are clearly do not relate to a specific region, or at least do not contain any sort of consistency, I still try to do my part by using correct spelling and capitalization of the terms.
::Cool. I might be in the Cities that weekend because it's my birthday. Any idea where it's being held? ~ ] (]) 23:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


== ] nomination of ] ==
:::''Edit: , a renowned grammarian and the copy chief of The Washington Post, Bill Walsh makes a compelling argument for the proper usage of "e-mail" and "Web site."'' ~ ] 23:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
]An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for ]. The nominated article is ]. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also ] and "]").


Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to ]. Please be sure to ] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
==Now they are trying to delete ] too!==
Now Raymond Arritt and William M Connolley are trying to eradicate the ] article. I am sick and tired of this continuing censorship. If you agree with me, go and vote to save this article. Thanks, ~ ] 04:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:Well I voted, because the version I read seemed to have sources. My general opinion, and that of the quote on my main user page, is that Misplaced Pages is here to tell what it is being said. If it is important enough, it will merit its own article or, at the very least, its own section. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. ~ ] 05:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::You're welcome - thanks for voting. ~ ] 05:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
===Someone should have caught it before it passed the speedy deletion deadline===
''Here is evidence of more people who are willing to delete articles to stop people reading and deciding for themselves - from User talk:Michaelbusch:=I think you'll enjoy this one=''


You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the ] template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.
Solar system warming Someguy1221 04:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


'''Please note:''' This is an automatic notification by a ]. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --] (]) 01:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Pretty bad. Someone should have caught it before it passed the speedy deletion deadline. Michaelbusch 04:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


== Is There Any Chance of Getting Some Balance in the Global Warming Article? ==
''Is it possible to get NPOV on Misplaced Pages against these tactics?'' ~ ] 05:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


I have tried to put a little balance in the first paragraph of the Global Warming article. Anyone reading this would be left with the impression that AGW is a more solid scientific theory than Newton's Laws of Motion. I had added the following:
==Purpose of an encylopedia==
On the AFD page for ], you wrote...


"However, a number of ]. Recently, leaked emails reveal that ]. These Global Warming scientists have admitted in their emails, that none of the climate models can account for this lack of warming in the real world."
:"It demeans the purpose of a encyclopedia, which is not to advance a particular theory, but to present the browser with the current state of knowledge. Misplaced Pages is not here to say what is the truth, it is not here to evangelize your idea, it is here to provide a summary of what is being said—even if you don't like it."


Not unsuprisingly, it was deleted a minute later. I note that despite the strong impact of the recent revelations of Climategate, this has failed to find any mention in the article. I have asked for advice on how the editors controlling the article would recommend I rewrite these facts so that they wouldn't object to their inclusion. I received the following reply:
I have been trying to convince another editor of just this point on the talk page of another article. I'm sure I could find the source for the above quote if I looked hard enough but I figured I'd ask you and see if you could save me the trouble. --] 05:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:This is a bit tricky to answer, as it was not really specifically stated as such by any one person. The quote (currently at the top of my user page) is a bit misleading, as it isn't really a quote. I originally got it from ], who wrote on the talk page of Global Warming about a particular theory, "'''I would agree: 'It demeans the purpose of a encyclopedia, which is not to advance a particular theory, but to present the browser with the current state of knowledge.' Misplaced Pages is not here to say what is the truth, it is not here to evangelise global warming, it is here to provide a summary of what is being said - even if you don't like it'''." So the first half is him quoting someone, of whom I do not know. The second half is what he said. And obviously, I have changed it to become more general to apply for all of Misplaced Pages, as it does indeed. Plagiaristic, perhaps. Sorry if this doesn't really help you, as it doesn't really help me either. I'm too confused to know who to use as the source, and would feel too guilty to use myself, as very little is of my own writing; eventually I just settled with putting quotation marks around the saying, despite the lack of a source. So in reality, it doesn't quite belong to anyone, yet it still applies to all of Misplaced Pages wonderfully, and many of Misplaced Pages's policies concur this.


Roughly, the only things that are correct is the name of the university, and that emails have been leaked. The rest is somewhere between obviously wrong and egregiously wrong, with a bit of ] thrown in for good measure. --] (]) 11:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:P.S. may I ask what article in particular you were referring to? ~ ] 06:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


Any suggestions? - ] (]) 12:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
==Global Warming==
:That does not seem appropriate for the intro. You should try to find a place for it somewhere else within the article (and perhaps some better wording would be advised). However, I do think the dissent part should be included in the intro, as it has been for a long time (at least while I was paying attention). Cheers. ~ ] (]) 18:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the external link you removed from Global Warming, would it be appropriate for the website to be re-added under "Others"? ] 02:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:Hello, and thank you for contacting me on my talk page. To answer your question, probably not. My main objection is that the Web site is unprofessional, in spite of the hard work I'm sure was put in to it. If in doubt, always refer to ]. ~ ] 03:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


== ] nomination of ] ==
==Complaint pages==
Creating pages of complaints against certain users is strongly frowned upon. If you wish to use such evidence in an ] or ] then please do so. Pages that exist solely to document alleged abuses, with no further purpose intended, are often nominated for deletion. ] 18:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for your concern, Dragons flight. I will be keeping the watch board so that people who wish to view it may do so at my user page. It will serve as a notice board that will be updated when necessary. The evidence gathering process is ongoing and, along with other users, I have begun this process. My regards, ~ ] 18:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


AfDM| page=Stephan Schulz|logdate=2009 December 10
==WMC==
Hello, I was researching the page that I created, ], and found some interesting things. For one thing, your page on William M. Connolley. I have read up on him (twice, since I have run into him multiple times), and have found that something you said isn't true.


I thought you might be interested in this vote. Vanity Pages for Admins really have no place on Misplaced Pages and it is high time to clear this detritus. ~ ] (]) 11:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
You claimed he used a sock to vote twice; however, how do you explain the comments at the bottom of ], where both him and the supposed sock comment (one after the other), and William did not even bother to check what was writen above (which was exactly what he wanted to know.) Their are other problems that I see, but this is the main one. I'll leave this up for debate as to if he is doing right or wrong (however, I saw a good atempt at doing what could be done with my page.) Anyway, please add this to your list of things found about him, as this charge may be false, and it would be good to point that out to those that have already seen the page and those that will be reviewing him. ] 20:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you very much for pointing that out, SadanYagci. First, I'd like to mention to you that I did not make that claim. That claim was made by ], but was left unsigned. The complaints section is primarily used for other users, besides myself, to add complaints against the culpable administrator. I currently am reviewing the claims that user made, and made a suspected ] in suspicious of WMC, based on that user's, and other's, comments. Though both users (Philosophus and WMC) made comments on that user page, both were separated by a fair amount of time, so it doesn't necessarily negate the possibility. With all hope of settling this issue, I will recommend a ] so as to retire any further suspicion of sockpuppetry of this user. My regards, ~ ] 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


== ] nomination of ] ==
==Administrator list==
]An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for ]. The nominated article is ]. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also ] and "]").
UBeR -- It's not okay to maintain a list of administrators or users, in the manner you had on your userpage. It amounts to a ] on them. Please stop and leave WMC and Raul alone. You have done good work on other articles, aside from ], so I would hate to see any sanctions against you. Regards. --] <small>(])</small> 22:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for informing me, Aude. My contribution at ] have been those of consensus or purely cleaning up the article, riddled with style, grammar, spelling, etc. mistakes. So, please, do not confuse that with anything other than what it is. In relation to my subpages on WMC, I would not considered them personal attacks. They are notices to users who may want to be watchful of such disgraceful acts on Misplaced Pages. My objective is to purely report on the edits, not the user. The particular edits in question are worrisome and baneful. My attempt is to gather the evidence, only hindered by real life activities that consume my time, for each claim so that our peers may in fact see detailed histories of these administrators who have, time again, violated Misplaced Pages policies. Again, thank you for your concerns. ~ ] 23:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to ]. Please be sure to ] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
==Concern==
Hi UBer. I recognize your many good contributions to Misplaced Pages. And it is refreshing to have a contrarian on ] and related articles who is both more than a single purpose editor and actively helping to improve the article in non-controversial ways. I very much think you are factually wrong, of course ;-). Your recent behaviour with respect to WMC (and, to a lesser degree, Raul) is unacceptable, however. ] is a clear violation of ] and ]. The sockpuppet report is nonsensical harrasment. Please remove these pages before the community does. I have worked with William for a fairly long time on Misplaced Pages. He is probably the least likely person ever to create a sock account to edit controversial topics. --] 23:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:Hello, and thank you for contacting me, Stephan Schulz. It should be known that I do, in fact, support the consensus view, as purported by the IPCC, so lets hope you don't disagree with me on that ;-). My goal, however, is to bring balance among the terribly POV policers. I recognize your concern, and I am disappointed that you feel that way. As discussed at the administrator notice board, my suspicion was nothing more than a suspicion. There is no other way to resolve that suspicion, as far as I know, other than the suspicion notice board. For my views on the administrator watch list, please view my comments on the administrator notice board and (especially) my comments in the above discussions on my talk page. Thank you. ~ ] 23:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::Uber, we have all seen how much WMC has been pushing around everyone who disagrees with him through revert warring, deletions, AfD's which have eliminated a number of pages etc. I am disturbed that Raul654 has now started a groundless complaint against you. I am working on a submission in your support and hope that the Administrator's concerned do not rush to judgement but rather take a hard look at WMC's activities. You should also point out his previous history of being charged with wrongdoing and barred from reverting more than once per day on Global warming related articles. While this has expired, I believe simply going back to his old way's shows that WMC has learned nothing from this punishment and that a more lasting prohibition is warranted. Rest assured, you have my support as I have seen the true nature of WMC's activities over the past month. As long as Misplaced Pages is managed by well meaning and fair minded people, they will see through the methods of WMC and Raul654. -- ] 23:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Sorry to use a third party talk page, but "While this has expired..." is not correct. ArbCom has explicitely ] the 1RR parole as unnecessary.--] 00:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:As is typically done when people refer others to policies, there is a lack of specificity and a decent amount of misapplication of said policies is the result.


You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the ] template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.
:Data collection, while I have not seen the referred to (and since deleted) page, is not necessarily a violation of ]. NPA states, "Comment on content, not on the contributor." In many case of collection efforts the content or issue is the actions of contributors, though not the contributor personally. If there are attacks (e.g. "that Nazi", etc) those would be unwarranted entirely. Copy/Pasting edit history, actual comments, etc are not attacks of the source.


'''Please note:''' This is an automatic notification by a ]. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --] (]) 01:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Such data collection is also not a violation of ] for two very distinct reasons. (1) AGF states, "Assuming good faith is about intentions, not actions." The data collection is collecting actions/words. The collection of those actions does not say anything about the Good Faith or lack of Good Faith. (2) AGF states, "Assuming good faith does not mean that no action by editors should be criticized". Some actions very much deserve criticism and the collection efforts are about those actions which either by themselves warrant criticism and/or sanction or which establish a pattern warranting sanction. -- ] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::All the edits of said user are still there, waiting patiently. ~ ] 04:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


==Colombia Collaboration Invite==
==Final Proof of conspiracy by William M Connolley, Raul654, Raymond Arritt & Stephan Shulz==
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''UBeR, you will be glad to learn I have finally uncovered the proof of the conspiracy group (which was so obvious) who have been controlling the global warming pages (as they are still doing). The following is from my recent post, please go to the Admin noticeboard and post your views on this now exposed conspiracy by a group of Administrators. It is at:'' -- ] 05:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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] (]) 23:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:Best of luck! Regards, ~ ] (]) 05:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


==WikiProject Economics census==
Raul654, this post that you made just after UBeR filed a checkuser against William M. Connolley, clearly shows that this entire complaint against UBeR was orchestrated just to '''"get this monkey off WMC's back"'''. The next step should be to stop this intentional diversionary complaint against UBeR and investigate your activities instead. Your entire group , , orchestrating these illicit activities should be thoroughly investigated by all those who have wasted a lot of their valuable time on your ''"getting this monkey off WMC's back"''. It is now clear that you yourself are guilty of most of the accusations which you have levelled at UBeR above, I believe that you and your co-conspirators should be permanently banned from editing global warming articles in order to stop the kind of bias, frustration and witch hunts which you are causing by your devious tactics. Everyone should know that this group are currently being investigated and exposed by a radio show for their hijacking of global warming articles as this group already knows - thus they are bringing Misplaced Pages into disrepute. -- ] 06:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello there. Sorry to bother you, but you are (titularly at least) a member of ], as defined by ]. If you don't know me, I'm a Misplaced Pages administrator, but an unqualified economist. I enjoy writing about economics, but I'm not very good at it, which is why I would like to support in any way I can the strong body of economists here on Misplaced Pages. I'm only bothering you because you are probably one of them. Together, I'd like us to establish the future direction of WikiProject Economics, but first, we need to know who we've got to help.


Whatever your area of expertise or level of qualification, if you're interested in helping with the WikiProject (even if only as part of a larger commitment to this wonderful online encyclopedia of ours), would you mind adding your '''signature to ]'''? It only takes a second. Thank you.
==Global Warming skeptic userbox==
Thought you might be interested in having a userbox on your user page that expresses your skepticism of anthropogenic global warming. It looks like ] and will also add you to ]. If you're interested, put the following on your user page:


<small>Message delivered on behalf of ] by ].</small>
<nowiki>{{User:Oren0/GWSkeptic}}</nowiki>
:I'll see what I can do. Cheers ~ ] (]) 14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Firstly, thank you for signing the census, and an apology if you are one of those editors who dislike posts such as this one for messaging you again in this way. I've now got myself organised and you can opt-out of any future communication at ]. Just remove your name and you won't be bothered again.


::Secondly, and most importantly, I would like to invite your comments on ] about the project as a whole. I've given my own personal opinion on a range of topics, but my babbling is essentially worthless without your thoughts - I can't believe for one moment that everyone agrees with me in the slightest! :)
Feel free to tell your friends. Thanks! ] 21:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for notifying me of this userbox, Oren0. However, I think I will hold off using that userbox for now :-). It look well done though! My regards, ~ ] 22:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


::All your comments are welcomed. Thanks, - ]&nbsp;<sup>]? ].'']</sup> 17:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
==]==
Discussion moved to ] by general consensus. --] 22:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


== WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue I) ==
Seems that your so-called "consensus" is invalid and bogus. Took about 30 minutes, which such little research eh? Nice link posted about the book right??? It's close to 14 years Old, MY VERSION is a FEW years old.
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Hello to all the economists who signed up on the census (covered in more detail below) and whom I have boldly signed up for this, the first in hopefully a long line of WikiProject Economics newsletters. The aim is simple: to distribute the project's news and developments in order that every member gets the opportunity to contribute to their fullest. It mirrors the ideals of any WikiProject: to support and assist.


In creating this, on a whim, I have picked a name and stolen the layout of the Military History WikiProject's newsletter. If you have any comments or suggestions, feel free to leave them on the ]. The non-talk version of that page is also the place to unsubscribe yourself from the newsletter, which, for the moment, I anticipate will be ''monthly''.
So Yeah..Go back to the Talk page...


Enjoy! - ]&nbsp;<sup>]? ].'']</sup> 11:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Actually, the unanimous consensus was to move the ''discussion'' to ]. Please abide by this consensus. Feel free to dicussus the issue there. As far as I can tell, ] is very much a bystander in this, don't clutter up his talk page. And if you have a more specific reference, tell us the edition (and, as requested by UBeR, give us the exact passage you are referring to). --] 09:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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# Economy of the Han Dynasty
I appreciate your cncern on this article, but if you're going to tag it as ], I'd appreciate it if you'd do as the template asks and share your concerns on the talk page. Most all of the information can be sourced with one of the links provided in the article. Tell us your problem and we'll try and fix it, don't just tag and run. Thanks! --] 05:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hello and thank you for contacting me on my talk page, UsaSatsui. If you are genuinely "not seeing the issue," I invite you to read Misplaced Pages's policies on ] and ]. (Note that both of these have been been superseded by a merger of two policies along with ] into one policy dubbed ].)


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:Citing sources is one of Misplaced Pages's fundamental policies. It is important because it reflects Misplaced Pages's reliability as a tertiary source for information and as an encyclopedia. I hope you understand its importance! My regards, ~ ] 22:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:''None''
::...No, I understand the policy, I'm just not seeing where the article violates it. Can you show me?--] 04:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::The article violates the ] policy because it does not cite a single source. The article appears to be made up entirely of ], hence the template. ~ ] 04:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::::If that's the case, it's "unsourced material", not "original research". In any event, the sources haven't been integrated into the article yet, they're in the "external links" section as of right now (and yes, there could be more). Much of the article (the description of the show's format, for example) is also from direct observation of the show (a valid source according to ], so long as it's descriptive and can be checked by anyone without specialist knowledge), no conclusions are drawn from the information.
::::If you have any specific concerns or want to see a source on any specific statements, feel free to point them out (on the article's talk page), and we'll do our best to address them. --] 14:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::In particular, the "About the hosts" section constitutes original research (that is, without any sources given). You and I both know the "External links" section is not the appropriate place to cite sources. ~ ] 17:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::And yet, many times, that's the case. It's just a stopgap to get the sources -in- there somewhere. Anyway, I've sourced what you asked for. --] 20:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


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==Probably copyvio==
:''None''
Well, firstly the copies of the documentary at Google video have no source information and make no claim about the copyright status of the of the film which is clearly marked as copyright of Wag productions on the end credits - the video itself appears to have been ripped from the original Channel 4 broadcast. And secondly, the reason I was going to report further insertions to AN/I was due to the fact it is being discussed on the talk page and so far appear and re-additions would be against the spirit of the 3RR. ] 09:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


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Your editing comment was "irrelevant to this article". I am therefore confused as to why you simply moved the material to another place in the article.
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::Make up your mind will you! Now you put the material back again! --] 23:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::No, I put back the information that was deleted, causing the article to be unbalanced. ~ ] 23:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::First you said you wanted to "remove the Bush stuff". However, this is exactly what I had done in my first edit: I kept only the line saying the number of pardons was comparable to other presidents (and moved this to the top of the article where it seemed to make more sense), and removed the detailed comments about other presidents, which did not seem so relevant by themselves. Now you are saying they are relevant after all? --] 08:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::::OK, sorry. Let me try to explain myself. I'd like to keep the information that claims Clinton's pardons were comparable. I did not want to keep the "See also" links to Bush's article. Your first edit, I thought, was simply moving one paragraph up and including the Bush links. I did not notice you deleted the second half of that paragraph though. ~ ] 16:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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* ''']''' <p>A big thank you to everyone who signed the census, an attempt to renew the project's membership list. Jarry1250 explained its purpose: "once we know how many active participants we have... we can make sure no interested parties get left out of discussions; ...to get everyone included. Not just to make them feel involved, but also to actively try to make them more involved ". Around forty editors, with a good range of specialisms and interests, have currently signed to show their activity, and it is still open for more.
* ''']''': <p>A series of discussions have been commenced on the census talkpage about what, if anything, should be done to strengthen the Project. All comments are welcomed on a range of topics: the economic style guide, weight guidelines, notability and the creation of this newsletter. Other discussions, on categorisation, tagging and compiling an accurate list of unreferenced BLPs, are currently active.
* Your comments are invited in the following other ongoing project discussions:
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==Notification for SUSPSOCK==
In the future, could you please notify the users you suspect of being illegitimate sockpuppets when you make these sorts of claims? I generally check my watchlist every day, but this whole process went through without me having a chance to join in the fun since no one bothered to notify me. --] <sup>]</sup> 10:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:As far as I am concerned I had only needed to notify the master, but that was promptly removed regardless. ~ ] 17:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


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What was Wales' comment on the Peppers article? I know he ordered it deleted for one year, but it's unclear what happened after that. <TT>] <SMALL>(] • ])</SMALL></TT> 03:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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:I've been trying to find his comment, though I'm hard pressed at the moment. The gist of it was that articles should not be created in the vanity of malformations or morbid curiosity. I wish I had his comment... ~ ] 03:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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Sticking to my promise of sending these out monthly, it's time for the June edition of ''Positively Economics'', covering the events of May, which has passed relatively quietly for the project.


Nevertheless, Misplaced Pages is a wiki, and things can change quickly and often without much notice. All contributions can be, and often are, important, regardless of how trivial they may seem. I, for example, have been working on our new list of unsourced BLPs, having added a significant number of economists to the project earlier in the month. But more on that in the newsletter itself.
==Global warming debate==
Hello. IntelligenceSquared held an interesting debate on Global Warming. Based on the votes of the audience, those who said it was not a crisis won the debate. I thought you might be interesting in reading about it. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about the debate, if you have time to listen to it. 19:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Is there a specific link I can follow to read/hear the debate? I couldn't find one. ~ ] 20:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
::I thought there was but cannot find one either. Evidently they are selling DVDs, but the DVD for this debate is not yet available. Too bad because it makes it harder to cite the debate. ] 20:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:::How do you define a crisis? I guess I'd vote against a crisis based on how I understand the word...--] ] 21:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Richard Somerville said in the debate, "The word does not mean catastrophe or alarmism. It means a crucial or decisive moment, a turning point, a state of affairs in which a decisive change for better or worse is imminent." ~ 22:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::If you haven't found it yet, there is a link to a transcript on the event page, that lead .--] 22:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


- ]&nbsp;<sup>]? ].'']</sup> 14:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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Go to ] - looks familiar? --] 23:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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Hi UBeR,
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''Note:'' this week's "new" FAs, and so forth, are ones that previously weren't included in the project but now are.


New ]:
I'm new here. I note you removed my reference to Solar Cycle Lengths. That's OK if it's inappropriate, but I've made some related edits here: ] which explain.
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Do people generally prefer/use emails or comments (to Talk pages?)?
:''None''


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Regards,
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] 23:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hello. Thank you for contacting me on my talk page. (I prefer it over e-mail, thanks for asking.) I removed it because it linked to a nonexistent article. ~ ] 04:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


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Just saw you already reverted - it was just an suggestion anyways. --] 16:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Yup thanks a lot for pointing it out. Even though I've been using uBeR for a very long time in TFC & FF, I think I've decided I would stick with UBeR for Misplaced Pages. Not sure why, but I think I'll stay with it. Thanks for the hint though. ~ ] 16:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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UBeR, I do not know if you got a chance to watch the entire documentary. You are can find it on YouTube here: The Great Global Warming Swindle Best wishes.] 16:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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:I've seen it. Thanks. ~ ] 16:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Skysmith has posted an updated list of ]. Most will need redirecting or new articles written to blueify them, so, if you can lend a hand with the effort, please do. There are some from virtually all areas of economics and hence to suit all tastes.
::There's been quite a bit of ado at ] article, but it's beginning to die down. ~ ] 17:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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* ''']''': <p>Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few ]; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.
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The Durkin article about "The Great Global Warming Swindle" was actually published in the print copy of the Sunday Telegraph (I know, because I have a copy). Given that we're linking to the website article, I'm not sure it matters very much, but I just thought I'd let you know.
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Thanks for your work in general on TGGWS, by the way, I've agreed with a large majority of the edits you've made. --] 18:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing that out. The only reason I changed it was because the Sunday Telegraph redirects to The Daily Telegraph page on Misplaced Pages. I'm not from the UK. :-) Keep up the good work. ~ ] 19:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


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:Yes, I will try to. He obviously doesn't understand how Misplaced Pages disputes work. ~ ] 16:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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::Doing tag-teaming on tags, eh? ] 17:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Following policy. It's painful to watch administrators remove valid tags because "they don't like them." That's nonsense and can not and will not be tolerated. ~ ] 17:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::That's not the issue here; these tags are unsupported, and all we've asked for is rationale, instead of just saying "they're Syn, go look at examples". You are chastising others for behavior that you yourself need to reflect on. ] 18:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::::Perhaps you should revisit the talk page and read over the discussion. ] makes it crystal clear the tags are valid. Do not arbitrarily remove them without discussion. That is to go against the nature of how Misplaced Pages works. ~ ] 18:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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Sticking to my promise of sending these out monthly, it's time for the July edition of ''Positively Economics'', covering the events of June.


It's been another constructive month for the project. Misplaced Pages remains, as ever, a very popular source of information about basic economic theory, as well as for biography and more specialised topics, and we shouldn't forget that contributions to these core articles remains our greatest strength. Onwards and upwards, as they say, for another month.
==Request==
Please have a look at ]. Thanks. ] 19:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. ~ ] 19:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


- ]&nbsp;<sup>]? ].'']</sup> 14:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
==Re: archival==
I realize that my premature archival is out-of-process. However, I think there is little benefit to continuing the discussion, even though I'm sure there are people on both sides who wish to get the last word in. I do not mean to trivialize the importance of your comments, but rather, I think that the archived discussion is not the proper place for them. They would better be placed as part of a productive discussion, perhaps as part of the dispute resolution process. Do you think that's reasonable? — ] ] 05:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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UBeR, please take a look at this Talk page, especially the part on "pseudoscience" and William's reverts. The POV of certain editors is preventing them from objectively dealing with the facts. The concepts involved are not difficult but they do take a little investment of time to understand. You may need to spend some time in the ] article to be fully comfortable. I hope you are able to find the time to help out. Thanks! ] 14:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Thanks for alerting me, RonCram. I will take a look at it. If you notice any POV edits or any other edits violating Misplaced Pages policy by William, I'd appreciate if you could link to them. I am currently looking into filing a request for comment on William's actions. ~ ] 23:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::If you have had a chance to read the Talk page, you will see that I think William's deletion of the discussion of Mann/McIntyre as completely POV. Mann was guilty of withholding data and methods (especially his source code which nearly took an act of Congress before Mann turned it over). William cannot find one inaccuracy in what is written, yet he deletes the whole thing and says it is too unbalanced to be saved. It is just hogwash. By the way, the best version of the article IMHO can be found here. ] 23:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Please take a look at the best version now and comment on the Talk page. The best version is here.] 13:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


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:''None''
Just to let you know someone has changed User talk:Easternempires so all it has is a welcome. Have a nice week and god bless:) --] 02:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up! ~ ] 07:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


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I reviewed you. ] 03:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks very much for the editor review! I wasn't sure if I was ever was going to get one. Given the necessarily stressful and vivacious past few days with the ongoing controversies in several articles I'm watching, I appreciate your comments highly.


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:One of my foremost commitments to this project is bringing a balanced and neutral point of view, particularly in controversial subjects. One of my first projects of this was indeed with the ]. This was around the time I was just familiarizing myself with Misplaced Pages, and his imminent execution was all over the news. I began when the article was little more than a stub and, as you noted, my edits soon grew to over 900 in number to that article. No doubt, much of it was vandal reverting, but many controversies and new information arose throughout. I owe the success of that article to those who have helped in keeping it balanced and factual, and hope to get it to FA with a little bit of cleanup. Throughout it, I noticed more and more people were trying to insert their opinions into the article, and while exploring elsewhere I noticed the same thing in many different articles, and that began my journey into neutrality and fairness. As an encyclopedia, this is of utmost importance.
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:When editing controversial articles, you do no doubt draw controversy to yourself. Unfortunately, a few administrators, not being able to debar their personal feelings, took it upon themselves to harass me and the such on an unfounded basis. Luckily, the ado turned into much of nothing. Anyway, though much is to be said, I'm rambling...
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* ''']''': <p>Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few ]; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.
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:::As for non-controversial articles, that's were most of my substance is. When I began my work on Misplaced Pages, I focued mainly on the video games I used to play or still do play (note on my userboxes, I consider myself a pro-gamer ;-)). (You can see my watchlist for those articles.) As for editing articles of my expertise, I've written on the ]. I've been meaning to make more contributions to hydrology and oceanography related articles, but as you may have noticed, I've been been preoccupied with other more controversial articles, which take up a lot of my spare time. I've also been getting involved in philosophy (mainly logic, metaphysics, and epistemology) and economics related articles.


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After a brief intermission over the Northern hemisphere summer season and the Southern hemisphere's mid-winter, ''Positively Economics'' is back. In recent weeks it has been my privilege to work on countering ] with a couple of articles on the economic history of Uganda. Projects like these help, little by little, to open up new areas on knowledge to Western audiences. Indeed, with English in the ascendancy when it comes to second languages, many other audiences too.


Both of the new creations made the front page via the ] section for newly-created or significantly expanded articles. I would encourage other editors, particularly those who like badges, to try to get more economics articles onto the front page through this and other sections. Those with a particularly competitive bent might also wish to consider signing up for the ] (great for focussing the mind).
::::So which policy forces snide remarks like ? William has a doctorate from Cambridge, and is a working scientist with a number of high-qualiy on climate change. What higher degree of qualification can you expect?
- ]&nbsp;<sup>]? ].'']</sup> 18:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I think this has moved beyond an issue of policy and has become personal. The right way to deal with this is - and has always been - an RFC. This allows for an open discussion with all sides involved and feedback from the larger community that would allow us to see how your opinion is perceived by others. It certainly is more productive than the death by a thousand petty complaints and provocations I preceive you as currently trying.
::::As for the "documentation" page: Misplaced Pages is (among other things) a consensus-driven community. If you have a complaint, bring it to the communities notice. The aim is not to "win", but to achive a useful and at least civil working relationship (as we e.g. had on ]). Obviously, you think you had a valid reason for complaint, but instead of acting on it, you planned to "build a case" until you had (what you thought) was an overwhelming advantage. That's why people considered it an attack page, and overwhelmingly voted for delete.
::::Bye, --] 07:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::So long as people are appealing people's character rather than their edits, then Misplaced Pages is a failed project based not on contributions but rather a sort of ''ipse dixit'' Web site in which true progress becomes retarded. Time and again, people are ignoring the actual edits, and come up with some lame (and fallacious) excuse of how some administrator should be allowed to ignore such and such policies. You're telling me to file an RFC, truly my intention (sooner or later), but as you must know these things require quite a bit of work in terms of gathering edits, comments, etc. If you wish to call this process an attack, then so be it. "'''It is not what the man of science believes that distinguishes him, but how and why he believes it. His beliefs are tentative, not dogmatic; they are based on evidence, not on authority or intuition.'''" ~ ] 16:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


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yea, I'm going to work on it some more, I just got side tracked. I will be changing it alot, but I just needed a base :/ lol. Thanks for the offer.
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:::::William, I do not understand why you want the rules rewritten so as to have them favor you. The problem with allowing Misplaced Pages as a source is because it entails circular reasoning. It's a bit difficult to explain but easy to understand how this leads to begging the question. I hope you retract your statements on other pages in which you say it's allowed to cite Misplaced Pages as a source. "Wikis, including Misplaced Pages and other wikis sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation are not regarded as reliable sources. However, wikis are excellent places to locate primary and secondary sources." My regards, ~ ] 19:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, oh Valorous and All-seeing one. I've removed your comments from my talk page discussion of OR. Sorry, but you've ruined too many useful discussions elsewhere by wikilawyering, to the detriment of wikipedia. In my opinion, of course.


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As to the sources point: I can no longer be so certain. I think the answer appears to be at the moment that WP:OR says what you say, but that in practice this is mad and no-one implements it. I look forward to your tagging ] to death if you disagree. I'm trying to establish what others think on my talk page now. I don't need to know what you think - you've made that clear elsewhere ] 19:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Okay, but you will find most agree with me. To think logically is not to think in circles. I do not think it is so wrong to present Misplaced Pages policies where they are being violated. If you chose to ignore them, they will forced upon you. ~ ] 19:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:: Like I say... I look forward to your assault on Yosemite ] 19:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::William, this is not about lawyering. It's about people thinking they don't have to adhere to the policies that Misplaced Pages is founded on. If you don't want to follow the rules, I suggest you find some other encyclopedia that allows for more lax insertion policies for original research (], maybe?). This simply isn't the place. ~ ] 21:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't take an Environmental ] who edits on Environmental articles seriously, Uber. ] don't need to know what others think or what the facts are, they just want to make sure their point of view is the one that is published.--] 20:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::: Please make up your mind on whether you're going to strip my comments out or not. And re-ordering things is pretty weird too - its your userpage, but it could well be seen as deceptive. As to Yosemite: its a nice counter example. It demonstrates that using sub-pages to support statements is useful and convenient. Naturally, since you so strongly disagree with that view, you'll be off to edit that page and put in fact tags... won't you? Oh, and I removed some tripe from Zeeboid. My apologies if you want nonsense like that on your talk page - do restore it if you want it ] 21:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Heh. You make much ado about nothing, William. I'm here to provide context, not the opposite. (As you may have noted, nothing was reordered, just my original statement placed on top, as it would appear if I posted it first, which I did.) You and I differ in ideas on ] of talk pages. Clearly I'm not here to censor discussion. The same cannot be said about you, but that's elsewhere.


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:::::To the topic at hand: You may have noticed your article was awarded FA status prior to the criteria for third-party references was required. This article would have no chance of getting FA under today's criteria. Your example is moot, and if you don't believe me, this article could be quickly demoted. Convenience means nothing compared accuracy. I'm puzzled as to whether you recognize how simply putting two brackets around a word as means for sourcing entails begging the question. Do you? Do you see how allowing for such faulty logic would impede the purpose (and credibility) of this encyclopedia? Seriously, I'm having trouble fathoming why you think the convince of doing so succeeds the importance of factual accuracy. ~ ] 22:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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:When I was writing that, I was thinking to myself, "Oh boy I think this might piss off William." But I said I would work on it. That's pretty different from promising to never to forget every single time. But like I said, I'm working on it. ~ ] 22:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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If so please have a look at the straw poll on ]. Thanks --] ] 15:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up. What is the name of the section? I will be around later tonight or this afternoon. ~ ] 17:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Your option, BozMo, just seems ridiculous. You're moving us back to square one. The issue is still there. While, yes, it may be a nice way to ignore the issue, I think it's a big mistake. ~ ] 01:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
::::UBeR, Tell me what your issue '''is''' exactly? You evidently think the page has come sort of bias. I respect your opinion on this but when I look for more detail the quality of the comments back seems low to me (perhaps I just don't get it) e.g. "calling a small number of people small is OR" or things like that. Perhaps its just the overall tone. I want the page to reflect a balance of opinion but those who are trying to push it toward "we don't really know" seem to me to be the ones who making everything rather personal and unpleasant. --] ] 13:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


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:I'm not exactly sure. The COI policy is somewhat flexible, and I think it changes from case to case. I think you should ask a more learned person on the policy about the current situation, such as an outside administrator. ~ ] 17:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


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I feel as though I stepped on a hornet's nest. Maybe you can help. Why are the editors on the Global Warming page so insulting to others? Even Raul, who is on arbcom is that way. Is there some sort of vapor that wafts from that page and turns people mean? Or am I missing something of the history and thus do not know what is happening?--] 05:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Blue Tie, I am sorry if you are upset. The tone on the page is pretty aggressive and I don't like that either, and I have complained when its worst. However I don't think the editors there invented this themselves: there are so many different types of attack on the page that people have got very terse. --] ] 13:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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==Hillary Rodham Clinton move request==
::Thank you for the reply. I am not sure I would say that I am personally offended but something is weird about the way the discussions are handled there on that page. I just sort of stumbled in and I am immediately savaged. If I were of a mind or nature to complain, I am sure that Dr C would be chastized by some authority for his treatment of me and others who have not been quite as intent in their focus on me have been no less personally insulting. From someone like Raul that is simply amazing to me. I note how many arguments do not go to the issues but are ad hominum. It is just weird. I have not experienced anything quite like it before on wikipedia and I wonder if I have missed something of the history here or something else. It feels like it because I am lumped in with other editors -- people I do not know and have no idea if I agree or disagree with, my comments seeking discussion seem to be ignored and I am personally attacked. I don't get it. What is going on? I am confused about it. --] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::I know how you feel. Actually I think there is something similar at some other contraversial pages... ], ] and even ] all have quite a few editors who jump on you quite a lot if you as much as try to move a comma... and who are quick to imply you are something worse than a "denier". How to handle these pages is beyond me: there is a mixture of very deep knowledge by some editors and also to a degree a problem that every word has already been fought, compromised and recompromised over several times. Perhaps with "featured articles" be bold might be weakened a bit. It isn't a good situation. --] ] 14:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::And maybe a special precaution that experts take on extra-ordinary efforts to assume good faith. I would even support a policy that allows experts such as Dr C to be guardians of pages (contrary to the current ownership policies), but on conditions that they actually encourage and listen to other ideas and that they feel a special sense of obligation to follow NPOV in articles. Even experts (or perhaps especially experts) can have serious POV problems and not even recognize them. On the other hand, experts are beyond valuable in judging the quality of content. --] 14:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


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::::::I don't know either. I think WMC is a net asset and he puts up with a lot of personal abuse etc from others so I am not surprised if he is sometimes terse. I am up for improving the GW page though. When it comes out from protection lets talk about what to do with it, --] ] 14:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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really made my day. Thanks for the smile (and the point). --BozMo talk 13:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: user page layout

Hello -

Thanks for the message, and no, I don't mind at all. It's not a one-day job to copy because you'll have to change a lot of usernames and page names from mine to yours, but it's pretty straightforward once you get into it.

It's Gurch's original design. I asked his permission and he said he liked my finished product. Unfortunately, Gurch went a little nutso several months ago, not long after I got my mop, and he blanked his user page then requested G7 deletion.

If you want the status switcher, you need Misza13's status switcher script, a /StatusTemplate page, and a /Status page. I have three status choices but you can have as many or as few as you want - the script will support them all. The script itself is a little tricky to get to work. In the end, I copied Misza13's entire monobook.js page to get everything to function correctly. Misza had the same stuff I had, Twinkle and popups and VoiceofAll's scripts, so my problem must have been in the order they were on my page or something.

If you want the calendar, you'll need both /Calendar and /Templates/Calendarbox pages. My /Calendar page is Gurch's original with a few changes, but I decided I wanted more variety and less "nothing interesting is happening today", so I changed it to /Calendarcurrentmonth. Now it changes on the first of every month, User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarApril leads to User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarMay, and so on. (That reminds me - I've got to do CalendarJune pretty soon.) The calendar is all transclusion, no script required.

Let me know if you have questions or need help, and of course, tell me when you've got it completely ready - I'd like to see it! Have fun! :-) - KrakatoaKatie 00:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a whole lot! That status things like too much work though, lol. Cheers. ~ UBeR (talk) 02:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It looks terrific! :-) Status switcher isn't any trouble at all once you get the script to work, and when it works it's really, really cool. Calendar is a bit of trouble but I like it, so I do it - and once I've got the whole year done, it won't be any work anymore either. Great job! - KrakatoaKatie 02:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! ~ UBeR (talk) 04:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Requesting your input at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive

Since you are a member of WikiProject Economics, I would like to direct your attention to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Economics/Featured Article drive. We are currently deciding on an economics-related article to bring to Featured Article status and we would like your input. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Really is an olive branch

But, very nice job on some of these glacier articles. I think the Glaciers of Minnesota article is a mess, and I've been trying to contribute some of my non-expert knowledge, but I see your name everywhere on these articles. You don't have to answer me, but I just wanted you to know that these articles are substantially approved over the past few months, because of you. Also, I'm stealing your layout of your user page. If you don't want me to do it, just post something somewhere. OrangeMarlin 18:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I steal it from KK, from whom you've adapted your user page.OrangeMarlin 18:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Much thanks. I think the Minnesota article is decent, but it needs in-text citations. The Quaternary article is rather good, and needs some reference formatting and perhaps a few more inline citations. That article is nearly complete and could make GA with few more workers to improve its quality.
The layout I got from KK, which she got from Gurch. I've been trying to find a good color scheme. Best of luck with that. ~ UBeR (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, one of my hobbies in North American glaciation during the Holocene. I was thinking of putting together an article on the recent history of the glaciation of the Sierra Nevadas. I don't quite qualify as a global warming denialist, but there some weird evidence that gives me pause, such as most, if not all, of the current glaciers in California are remnants of the Little Ice Age as opposed to the larger scale glaciations of greater than 10,000 years ago. Anyways, do you think a Sierra glaciation article (I can't find one) might be useful? OrangeMarlin 20:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
BTW, a suggestion about your user page, your big red lines are kind of overkill. I like this page for readability. OrangeMarlin 20:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I've actually been reading some of Muir's work. It's nice. An article on glaciation in the Sierra Nevada could be of use, but I would check Geology of the Yosemite area first.
As for the layout, I've tried a few other schemes that I don't like so much: . I'll fiddle around some more. ~ UBeR (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Not too sure about the green lol. ~ UBeR (talk) 22:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Never mind. The red is best there. LOL. Back to the Sierras. Yosemite is fine, but I was thinking more of Glaciers of California or something like that. OrangeMarlin 23:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

←Love the blue color matching on your Talk page and User page. Beautiful. I might steal it ;) OrangeMarlin 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hah, yeah took a while to settle on a color. ~ UBeR (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Might I swipe this format from you? I really like it. OrangeMarlin 00:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Feel free. The coding is a bit messy though. ~ UBeR (talk) 01:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't let Connolley hold thw RfC page hostage

If Connolley decides to erase the RfC, the page is now found here:

Inclusionist (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Suspected Socks

Per this, and accordingly, Raul654's tagging of User:Victor P. Shales and User:Cone of Silence. Hope this answers your question. Regards, WilliamH (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. ~ UBeR (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Lead for climate article

Raymond has proposed a structural change for the article which might allow the current length to be reasonable. Even as it stands, throwing one line in the lead per each climate regime could make the lead too long. An editor (could have been Raymond) made a comment during an edit that the lead was too long, due to redundancy, during one of his edits of the article and it was shortened. I'm willing to leave the tag there for the time being...but there needs to be clarification as to what would need to be added to the lead (which is included in the main article) to make the lead a "proper length," so the editors aren't just left guessing. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The template was on the talk page since May 3; I simply moved it to the mainspace where it belongs. Dr. Arritt's edit was simply removing over-specific information from the lead, which doesn't negate the fact that, overall, the lead is too short and does not adequately summarize the main points of the article. To wit, I would personally suggest explaining in more detail the classifications and explaining modern measurements and the current trend of global warming. (After the sentence on paleoclimatology, I think that could be a good spot to discuss current modern recording. After that is the sentence on climate models, which is there already. After the climate models would be a good spot to discuss the trend of global warming.) Furthermore, the way it's currently put together, it doesn't seem very coherent. The flow seems awkward. It's as if each sentence in the lead just summarizes a section of the article but doesn't really put it in any context for the reader. ~ UBeR (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested photo

Hello! I noticed that on your userpage you state that you are living in St. Paul. Would you be willing to take and upload a photo of the St. Paul Minnesota Temple? It would be much appreciated. —Remember the dot 01:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Mail me a digital camera and I sure would. ~ UBeR (talk) 03:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:-P do I look like I'm made of money??? If I were filthy rich I could just fly to St. Paul and take the picture myself!
In all seriousness, if you can't that's fine, but if you get the chance to use a cell phone camera or something, that would be great. —Remember the dot 04:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't even have a cable to connect to my computer from my phone. It does not look like I am the one to contact about doing this stuff. ;-) Best of luck. ~ UBeR (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I see. Thanks anyway. —Remember the dot 04:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor Review

I just wanted you to know that I have added a review to your request on wp:editor review %%-SYKKO-%% (talk to me) 05:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that's quite old, but thanks for your review! ~ UBeR (talk) 06:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
no problem, I wanted to start with some old ones. %%-SYKKO-%% (talk to me) 07:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Saint Paul GA Preparation

Hello,

The Saint Paul, Minnesota article is being prepared for GA Nomination ahead of the 2008 RNC and the attention the article will be receiving (and in some cases already has).

Other editors and myself have been working on the article lately and we would like to you to help. If you have additions, comments, concerns, questions or other feed back, it is all appreciated. There is a peer review already set up and detailed checklist of issues that need to be fixed is on the talk page. These items can be crossed off when completed. Feel free to add to the list and sign your username, so that we know who added it.

Any help is appreciated. Also, if you would like to work on other articles directly related to Saint Paul, especially those that link off the Saint Paul article, that would be great too.

Thanks and have a great day, Calebrw (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

So not only are all the roads being redone in preparation for the RNC, but so are our Misplaced Pages articles. They both mean the same thing though: gridlock. ;-) Best of luck. ~ UBeR (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiPropaganda - WMC & his GW POV Censors are Finally Exposed on CBS

At last the world is coming to know of the WikiPropaganda which we have been fighting for years. See: ~~ Rameses (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

UBeR, I want to get your advice on a new Article which I have written. The Article is titled "Wikipropaganda" and seeks to describe a new word or concept which has arisen since Lawrence Solomon first wrote an article of this name. This article has been published by National Review Online and reprinted on the CBS News website. The fact that this word/concept has entered widespread use is easily verified through a google search for wikipropaganda which returns well over 4,000 webpages using this term. The article was well referenced and only quotes from the published referenced work. I tried to keep from inserting any POV and simply referenced published sources for the information describing the term. Unfortunately, the article was immediately deleted without explanation. I reposted it and was pleased to see several other editors adding to the article. Again, it was deleted and this time I was blocked for 24 hours by Raul654. This ia an article on a genuine subject which merits inclusion in Misplaced Pages. How can I get the article on Misplaced Pages without constantly being censored simply because the topic does not reflect well on certain Misplaced Pages editors and administrators? What are the rules under which these deletions are occurring? Misplaced Pages now very much resembles "Animal Farm" where the rules are being defined, bent and interpreted by the bureaucrats to their sole benefit. ~~ Rameses (talk) 16:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 meetup


Minnesota MeetupSaturday, 2008-10-11 noon (12:00)
Please pass this on! RSVP here.

You said you wished you could have made the last meetup, so I wanted to make sure you knew about this one. Hope to see you there. Jonathunder (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hm, that's one day after my birthday, so I may be able to do it. Cheers. ~ UBeR (talk) 03:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Town Hall Brewery
maps.google.com
1430 Washington Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55454
(612) 339-8696
October 11, 2008
Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
Meetup RSVP
Muddy Waters
maps.google.com
2401 Lyndale Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55405
(612) 872-2232
October 10, 2008
Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
Alternate meetup RSVP

(Almost) Happy birthday to you! Hope you can go. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ron Paul

Ron Paul has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured quality. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Andrew Kelly (talk) 05:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Standing Offer/Request

Given our past interactions on various topics I thought I would make the following offer.

If you ever have something you want me to offer an opinion on or that you feel I might personally be interested in anywhere on wikipedia, its talk pages, or within any of the official forums such as noticeboards, RfCs, RfAs, and the like, please contact me directly on my talk page and feel free to reference this standing request. I trust your judgment in deciding which topics might be of interest to me, and please keep me informed of any topics in general as well as items specifically involving you personally. --GoRight (talk) 01:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very active on Misplaced Pages anymore, so I doubt that will be necessary. ~ UBeR (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies

Hi. I have emailed you to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised you've found me. I haven't edited here in quite some time. I'll respond to your e-mail. Thanks for the message. Regards, UBeR (talk) 19:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

RfC on Joseph Priestley lead image alignment

A RfC has been opened to discuss the issue of alignment of the lead image on the Joseph Priestley article. Because you have previously commented or been involved with this issue, your input is requested. Please stop by Talk:Joseph Priestley#RfC on lead image alignment and leave any feedback you may have. Thank you. Madcoverboy (talk) 03:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

There's been plenty of discussion already. I doubt my input will be necessary. ~ UBeR (talk) 15:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Never mind. Perhaps it is a good idea to leave a comment. ~ UBeR (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Morse v. Frederick - Good article review

I noticed you contributed to Morse v. Frederick in the past, and just wanted to let you know that the article is currently undergoing a Good article review. Feel free to contribute more to the article if you wish! --Another Believer (Talk) 19:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Answer

Your question has been answered. Sort of. DS (talk) 19:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha, thanks! ~ UBeR (talk) 23:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota Meetup


2009Proposed date: Saturday, October 10.
Details under discussion.
Please share this with anyone who may be interested.
Delivered by Jonathunder (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Update: the meetup will be at 1 p.m. Sunday, October 11, in St. Paul. Click here for more details and to R.S.V.P. Jonathunder (talk)
Cool. I might be in the Cities that weekend because it's my birthday. Any idea where it's being held? ~ UBeR (talk) 23:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Misplaced Pages:Notability and "What Misplaced Pages is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming (3rd nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Is There Any Chance of Getting Some Balance in the Global Warming Article?

I have tried to put a little balance in the first paragraph of the Global Warming article. Anyone reading this would be left with the impression that AGW is a more solid scientific theory than Newton's Laws of Motion. I had added the following:

"However, a number of highly respected scientists dispute the consensus view. Recently, leaked emails reveal that the leading Global Warming scientists, at the Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia and elsewhere, have been concealing or altering the raw data, which shows the world has been cooling for the past decade. These Global Warming scientists have admitted in their emails, that none of the climate models can account for this lack of warming in the real world."

Not unsuprisingly, it was deleted a minute later. I note that despite the strong impact of the recent revelations of Climategate, this has failed to find any mention in the article. I have asked for advice on how the editors controlling the article would recommend I rewrite these facts so that they wouldn't object to their inclusion. I received the following reply:

Roughly, the only things that are correct is the name of the university, and that emails have been leaked. The rest is somewhere between obviously wrong and egregiously wrong, with a bit of WP:PEACOCK thrown in for good measure. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 11:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Any suggestions? - Brittainia (talk) 12:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

That does not seem appropriate for the intro. You should try to find a place for it somewhere else within the article (and perhaps some better wording would be advised). However, I do think the dissent part should be included in the intro, as it has been for a long time (at least while I was paying attention). Cheers. ~ UBeR (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Stephan Schulz

AfDM| page=Stephan Schulz|logdate=2009 December 10

I thought you might be interested in this vote. Vanity Pages for Admins really have no place on Misplaced Pages and it is high time to clear this detritus. ~ Rameses (talk) 11:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Climate change denial

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Climate change denial. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Misplaced Pages:Notability and "What Misplaced Pages is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Climate change denial (4th nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Colombia Collaboration Invite

WikiProject Colombia
You have been invited to participate in Collaboration of the Month to improve and standardize the List of Presidents of Colombia in hopes of raising it to featured list status.

mijotoba (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Best of luck! Regards, ~ UBeR (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics census

Hello there. Sorry to bother you, but you are (titularly at least) a member of WP:WikiProject Economics, as defined by this category. If you don't know me, I'm a Misplaced Pages administrator, but an unqualified economist. I enjoy writing about economics, but I'm not very good at it, which is why I would like to support in any way I can the strong body of economists here on Misplaced Pages. I'm only bothering you because you are probably one of them. Together, I'd like us to establish the future direction of WikiProject Economics, but first, we need to know who we've got to help.

Whatever your area of expertise or level of qualification, if you're interested in helping with the WikiProject (even if only as part of a larger commitment to this wonderful online encyclopedia of ours), would you mind adding your signature to this page? It only takes a second. Thank you.

Message delivered on behalf of User:Jarry1250 by LivingBot.

I'll see what I can do. Cheers ~ UBeR (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, thank you for signing the census, and an apology if you are one of those editors who dislike posts such as this one for messaging you again in this way. I've now got myself organised and you can opt-out of any future communication at WP:WikiProject Economics/Newsletter. Just remove your name and you won't be bothered again.
Secondly, and most importantly, I would like to invite your comments on the census talk page about the project as a whole. I've given my own personal opinion on a range of topics, but my babbling is essentially worthless without your thoughts - I can't believe for one moment that everyone agrees with me in the slightest! :)
All your comments are welcomed. Thanks, - Jarry1250  17:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue I)

Positively Economics

The Economics WikiProject Newsletter Issue I (May 2010)
Use the show/hide button to display or hide this newsletter.
From the (self-appointed) editor

Hello to all the economists who signed up on the census (covered in more detail below) and whom I have boldly signed up for this, the first in hopefully a long line of WikiProject Economics newsletters. The aim is simple: to distribute the project's news and developments in order that every member gets the opportunity to contribute to their fullest. It mirrors the ideals of any WikiProject: to support and assist.

In creating this, on a whim, I have picked a name and stolen the layout of the Military History WikiProject's newsletter. If you have any comments or suggestions, feel free to leave them on the main newsletter talk page. The non-talk version of that page is also the place to unsubscribe yourself from the newsletter, which, for the moment, I anticipate will be monthly.

Enjoy! - Jarry1250  11:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Articles of note

New featured articles:

  1. Economy of the Han Dynasty

New featured lists:

None

New featured topics:

None

New good articles:

  1. Price elasticity of demand
  2. Production-possibility frontier
  3. Monetary Policy Committee
  4. Confederate war finance
Redlinks to be squashed

Skysmith has posted an updated list of missing economics topics. Most will need redirecting or new articles written to blueify them, so, if you can lend a hand with the effort, please do. There are some from virtually all areas of economics and hence to suit all tastes.

Project news
  • Census completed

    A big thank you to everyone who signed the census, an attempt to renew the project's membership list. Jarry1250 explained its purpose: "once we know how many active participants we have... we can make sure no interested parties get left out of discussions; ...to get everyone included. Not just to make them feel involved, but also to actively try to make them more involved ". Around forty editors, with a good range of specialisms and interests, have currently signed to show their activity, and it is still open for more.

  • Project-wide discussions commence:

    A series of discussions have been commenced on the census talkpage about what, if anything, should be done to strengthen the Project. All comments are welcomed on a range of topics: the economic style guide, weight guidelines, notability and the creation of this newsletter. Other discussions, on categorisation, tagging and compiling an accurate list of unreferenced BLPs, are currently active.

  • Your comments are invited in the following other ongoing project discussions:

To start/stop receiving this newsletter, please add/remove your name from the list here. Thank you. This newletter was delivered to you by Jarry1250 at around 10:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue II)

Positively Economics

The Economics WikiProject Newsletter Issue II (June 2010)
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From the editor

Sticking to my promise of sending these out monthly, it's time for the June edition of Positively Economics, covering the events of May, which has passed relatively quietly for the project.

Nevertheless, Misplaced Pages is a wiki, and things can change quickly and often without much notice. All contributions can be, and often are, important, regardless of how trivial they may seem. I, for example, have been working on our new list of unsourced BLPs, having added a significant number of economists to the project earlier in the month. But more on that in the newsletter itself.

- Jarry1250  14:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles of note

Note: this week's "new" FAs, and so forth, are ones that previously weren't included in the project but now are.

New featured articles:

  1. Akhtar Hameed Khan

New featured lists:

None

New featured topics:

None

New good articles:

  1. Abram Lincoln Harris
  2. George Lee (journalist)
  3. Stephen Harper
  4. Yulia Tymoshenko
Redlinks to be squashed

Skysmith has posted an updated list of missing economics topics. Most will need redirecting or new articles written to blueify them, so, if you can lend a hand with the effort, please do. There are some from virtually all areas of economics and hence to suit all tastes.

Project news
  • Unassessed articles:

    A whole swath of articles have been added to the WikiProject recently, mainly on notable economists. They are yet to be assessed on their talk pages; this also provides a good opportunity to check and improve some of our least monitored articles.

  • Unsourced BLPs:

    Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few unsourced biographies of living people; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.

  • Your comments are invited in the following other ongoing project discussions and requests for help:

To start/stop receiving this newsletter, please add/remove your name from the list here. Thank you. This newletter was delivered to you by User:Jarry1250 at around 14:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue III)

Positively Economics

The Economics WikiProject Newsletter Issue III (July 2010)
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From the editor

Sticking to my promise of sending these out monthly, it's time for the July edition of Positively Economics, covering the events of June.

It's been another constructive month for the project. Misplaced Pages remains, as ever, a very popular source of information about basic economic theory, as well as for biography and more specialised topics, and we shouldn't forget that contributions to these core articles remains our greatest strength. Onwards and upwards, as they say, for another month.

- Jarry1250  14:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles of note

New featured articles:

None

New featured lists:

None

New featured topics:

None

New good articles:

  1. Brander–Spencer model
Redlinks to be squashed

Skysmith has posted an updated list of missing economics topics. Most will need redirecting or new articles written to blueify them, so, if you can lend a hand with the effort, please do. There are some from virtually all areas of economics and hence to suit all tastes.

Project news
  • Unassessed articles:

    A whole swath of articles have been added to the WikiProject recently, mainly on notable economists. They are yet to be assessed on their talk pages; this also provides a good opportunity to check and improve some of our least monitored articles.

  • Unsourced BLPs:

    Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few unsourced biographies of living people; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.

  • Your comments are invited in the following other ongoing project discussions and requests for help:

To start/stop receiving this newsletter, please add/remove your name from the list here. Thank you. This newletter was delivered to you by User:Jarry1250 at around 19:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics Newsletter (Issue IV)

Positively Economics

The Economics WikiProject Newsletter Issue IV (September 2010)
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From the editor

After a brief intermission over the Northern hemisphere summer season and the Southern hemisphere's mid-winter, Positively Economics is back. In recent weeks it has been my privilege to work on countering systemic bias with a couple of articles on the economic history of Uganda. Projects like these help, little by little, to open up new areas on knowledge to Western audiences. Indeed, with English in the ascendancy when it comes to second languages, many other audiences too.

Both of the new creations made the front page via the Did you know? section for newly-created or significantly expanded articles. I would encourage other editors, particularly those who like badges, to try to get more economics articles onto the front page through this and other sections. Those with a particularly competitive bent might also wish to consider signing up for the 2011 Wikicup (great for focussing the mind). - Jarry1250  18:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Example chart
New bot

User:LivingBot has just been approved on Wikimedia Commons to compile and upload SVG graphs based on monthly time series of, for example, UK interest rates (illustrated). It will then revisit these on a monthly basis to update them with the latest information. If you would like to bot to create and update a graph for you, get in touch with its operator.

Articles of note

New featured articles:

None

New featured lists:

None

New featured topics:

None

New good articles:

  1. Jevons paradox
Redlinks to be squashed

Skysmith has posted an updated list of missing economics topics. Most will need redirecting or new articles written to blueify them, so, if you can lend a hand with the effort, please do. There are some from virtually all areas of economics and hence to suit all tastes.

Project news
  • Unassessed articles:

    A whole swath of articles have been added to the WikiProject recently, mainly on notable economists. They are yet to be assessed on their talk pages; this also provides a good opportunity to check and improve some of our least monitored articles.

  • Unsourced BLPs:

    Before the articles about economists were added, the project had very few unsourced biographies of living people; now there are a little over a hundred. If we can clear them, however, then it is unlikely that there will be many more. Again, they represent some of our least cared-for articles, and often present good targets for cleaning up.

  • Your comments are invited in the following other ongoing project discussions and requests for help:

To start/stop receiving this newsletter, please add/remove your name from the list here. Thank you. This newletter was delivered to you by User:Jarry1250 at around 19:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Meetup

  In the area? You're invited to the
   May 2018 Minnesota User Group Meeting
  Date: 31 October 2010
  Time: noon
  Place: Midtown Exchange Global Market,
East Lake Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota
44°56′57″N 93°15′40″W / 44.9493°N 93.2612°W / 44.9493; -93.2612
  

New meetup

  In the area? You're invited to the
   May 2018 Minnesota User Group Meeting
  Date: 20 November 2010
  Time: 1:00-3:30
(click here for full agenda)
R.S.V.P. by Nov. 17 for free lunch + parking
  Place: Minnesota History Center
345 Kellogg Blvd, St. Paul, Minnesota
44°57′00″N 93°06′20″W / 44.95°N 93.1055°W / 44.95; -93.1055
  

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, UBeR! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Misplaced Pages, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon at Hennepin County Library

Minneapolis History edit-a-thon

The Minnesota Misplaced Pages community and local historians are invited to edit entries in Misplaced Pages on Minneapolis history. Please help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by utilizing materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own Minneapolis History topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections Librarians.

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
When: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 10-5 pm
10 am - 11 am Orientation to Minneapolis Collection
11 am - 5 pm Edit-a-thon
Website: Hennepin County Library, Special Collections, Map & Directions
Parking: Metered street parking or pay ramp in basement, enter on 4th Ave

For more information see Misplaced Pages talk:Meetup/Minnesota#2012. —innotata 00:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries event

In the area? You are invited to Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries in Minneapolis.

Hennepin County Library's Special Collections is hosting a Minneapolis history editathon on November 3. Help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by using materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections librarians.

There will also be an intro for people new to Misplaced Pages, and tours of Special Collections.

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
Special Collections (4th floor)
When: 10am-4:30pm, Saturday, November 3, 2012

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page. —innotata 01:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Upcoming Misplaced Pages meetups

In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetups.

To kick-off monthly meetups in the Twin Cities, two events will be held in Special Collections at Minneapolis Central Library this summer. These are mostly planned as opportunities for Wikipedians to discuss editing, but all are welcome!

Special Collections contains many valuable historical resources, including the Minneapolis Collection, consisting of files on hundreds of topics related to Minneapolis from neighborhoods to politicians (it's best to call or email in advance to request materials). Free wifi and several public computers are available.

Place: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
Special Collections (4th floor)
Dates: Saturday, June 1
Saturday, July 6
Time: 12:30pm–2:30pm+

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.innotata 14:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic

In the area? You're invited to the Great American Wiknic.

Place: north of Minnehaha Falls in Minnehaha Park, Minneapolis
Date: Saturday, June 22, 2012
Time: 12–4 pm

  • Accessible from the Minnehaha Park METRO station, bus, walk, bike, or car
  • If driving, free parking available on 46th Ave. S, and pay parking in the park
  • Food and drink options nearby, or bring your own... maybe even to share!

For more, and to sign up (encouraged, not required) go to the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.innotata 02:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Minnesota Misplaced Pages Meetup on August 3

In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota monthly meetup on August 3.

Place: Lavvu Coffee House
813 4th St SE, Minneapolis 55414
Date: Saturday, August 3
Time: 1:00pm-3:00pm+

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.

innotata 00:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Day Meetup on January 18

In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetup in commemoration of Misplaced Pages Day.

  • Place: Seward Cafe
2129 E Franklin Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55404
  • Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014
  • Time: noon

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.innotata 04:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton move request

Greetings! A proposal has been made at Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton#Requested move 8 to change the title of the article, Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary Clinton. This notification is provided to you per Misplaced Pages:Canvassing#Appropriate notification, because you have previously participated in a discussion on this subject. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Last ice age listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Last ice age. Since you had some involvement with the Last ice age redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. BDD (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Invite to the Minneapolis Institute of Art

Minneapolis Institute of Art edit-a-thon
  • Date: Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12pm–4pm
  • Location: Minneapolis Institute of Art Friends Community Room, 2400 Third Avenue South, Minneapolis
  • Sponsor: Minneapolis Institute of Art
You are invited to attend an Art+Feminism edit-a-thon at Minneapolis Institute of Art which will be held on Saturday, October 24, 2015. This editing event is dedicated to improving and increasing the presence of cultural, historic, and artistic information on Misplaced Pages pertaining to women artists.
--gobonobo 20:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Invite to an edit-a-thon at the Loft Literary Center

The Loft Literary Center edit-a-thon
  • Date: Thursday, February 11, 2016, 6–8pm
  • Location: Loft Literary Center, 1011 S Washington Ave, Room 203, Minneapolis
  • Sponsor: The Loft Literary Center
Hello UBeR! You are invited to attend an edit-a-thon at the Loft Literary Center which will be held on Thursday, February 11, 2016. This editing event is dedicated to improving and increasing the presence of cultural, historic, and artistic information on Misplaced Pages pertaining to artists from marginalized communities. Please bring a laptop. Refreshments will be provided.
We have also recently formed a user group for Minnesota editors. If you would like to join, please add your name to our page on meta. Thank you, gobonobo 23:57, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

The most dangerous man in the world listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The most dangerous man in the world. Since you had some involvement with the The most dangerous man in the world redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge

You are invited to participate in the 50,000 Challenge, aiming for 50,000 article improvements and creations for articles relating to the United States. This effort began on November 1, 2016 and to reach our goal, we will need editors like you to participate, expand, and create. See more here!
--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:42, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Keath Ledger listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Keath Ledger. Since you had some involvement with the Keath Ledger redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)