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:Agreed. ] (]) 16:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. ] (]) 16:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Also agreed ] (]) 02:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:It most certainly is a portrait of Hamilton, and it is not based merely on memory of the artist as explained in the caption. This is a stable item in the article for some time and has been a result of this same consensus discussion in the past. In addition, the proposed portrait while contemporaneous was criticized in its own time and after as a poor representation by both family and others. ] (]) 17:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Second Armed League of Neutrality and the Jay Treaty == |
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== What's the point of quoting Paul Johnson? == |
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This article states that Hamilton revealed to the British the American decision not to join the second league of armed neutrality and that this weakened Jay's hand in dealing with the British. Since the Jay treaty was negotiated in 1794 and the second league of armed neutrality did not come about until 1800, the article cannot possibly be correct. Please make the necessary corrections. ] (]) 03:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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In the intro, too... just calling him a genius is insubstantial, without even him backing it up, and, also, coming after AH agreeing to his own demise makes 'genius' sound bizarre... I think it should be removed, possibly to some other section with quotes about AH, as it seems extraneous (non-neutral as well, although quotes are treated differently), and repetitive too (a lot of insubstantial 'geniuses' in the intro, makes Paul Johnson sound like some cultish fan...) ] (]) 03:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024 == |
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He drafted many of Washington's orders and letters under Washington's direction, and he eventually issued orders on Washington behalf over his own signature |
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I suggest you either delete: "The consensus of mainstream scholars and historians who have addressed the underlying question of whether Lavien was Jewish, such as Ron Chernow, is that the assertion is not credible." OR substitute with something like: "Mainstream scholars are divided on the question of The foregoing statement is not accurate. I wrote ''The Jewish World of Alexander Hamilton'', which is cited in the notes and which argues that there is a probabilistic case that Hamilton and Lavien had a Jewish identity. Numerous leading scholars have endorsed the book's findings. Professor Jonathan Sarna, the world's leading authority on American Jewish history, described the research as "remarkable." Professor Stephen Knott, formerly of the University of Virginia, described it as "truly a pathbreaking work." Professor Stephen Whitfield, of Brandeis University, described it as "ingenious." Pulitzer Prize winning scholar and Harvard professor Annette Gordon Reed described it as “provocative and intriguing.” The book was published by Princeton University Press and won the Journal of the American Revolution Book-of-the-Year Award. It is simply not accurate for Misplaced Pages to dismiss the idea as a fringe theory. To be sure, it would be inaccurate to say there's now consensus that Hamilton likely was Jewish. But it is equally inaccurate to say that there's consensus he was not. The basis for the foregoing statement in Misplaced Pages is a short passage in Chernow's book. But Chernow made no special study of the topic whereas I dedicated an entire peer-reviewed book to it. It makes little sense to imply or suggest that his book refutes my findings when Chernow's book was written nearly twenty years earlier and thus did not engage my findings nor look at the reams of evidence from the Caribbean that I surfaced. ] (]) 01:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> The article already acknowledges your book. Without having read your book, this sounds to me like you want your view to be more prominently considered without any other sources. ] (]) 13:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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should be washington's behalf ] (]) 17:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Ultraodan}}, the IP makes a good point in that a full on-topic peer-reviewed book written decades after another cited work should change a word or two in the sentence which includes "...not credible". The IP should list some of their best sources from the book to strengthen the case for the requested change, and/or consider becoming a Misplaced Pages editor themselves to both learn and climb the ropes here. Thanks. ] (]) 14:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::hey can you please respond on ]. @] wanna get this over with ] (]) 14:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The only relevance your comment has to this discussion is that Jesus was Jewish, otherwise please read ], thanks. ] (]) 14:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::how does jesus being jewish have anything to do with this alexander hamilton discussion, and i need consensus just say yes or no to the image i linked please. they don't me to get consensus then ghost me for no apparent reason. i know WP:CIVILITY but i've been ignored for hours now and i'm fed up. please just go to the jesus talk page so we can finish off the discussion. remsense left and i don't know what to do. ] (]) 14:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::{{u|HumansRightsIsCool}}, it doesn't, and neither does your jumping into this discussion to mention another. Nobody is ghosting you, Misplaced Pages conversations often go on for weeks, it's the lay of the land here. It's also Wikipolite to ping others editors when mentioning them by name ({{u|Remsense}}), even in a tangential way. Since you came here maybe you can comment on this interesting issue. An IP claiming to be an author of a prize-winning book is concerned that their work and its findings are being ignored within the page wording as well as that wording implying that this author's conclusions are not credible. In my opinion not enough authors challenge Misplaced Pages wording in such a way, and to do so is commendable as regards defense of their research subject and to care enough that Misplaced Pages gets it right. I hope that they return and continue this defense. ] (]) 15:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Musical by Lin-Manuel Miranda == |
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== Very minor edit request. == |
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Since this topic is semi-protected, I'm not capable of doing it myself. I would appreciate it if someone could link Hercules Mulligan, Revolutionary War/Early Military Career - second paragraph, to his corresponding article. Thanks. ] (]) 16:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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I'm mildly surprised to see that the page has no mention at all of the ] that brought Hamilton to popular attention in the past decade. I searched the talk page archives for discussions of this, since I strongly suspected the issue would have been litigated to death, but found only a few mentions of the page having at one time focused too strongly on the musical (e.g. with a mention in the lead and an extended quote in the body). I'm curious whether there's a consensus that the musical isn't really relevant here, and/or whether there's talk page discussion I missed. Thanks! |
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] (]) 16:56, 18 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}} ] (]) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:The ] section directs the reader to ] that mentions the 2015 musical. We cannot fit everything into one article without making the article too long. ] (]) 00:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::This doesn't make much sense to me, since mentioning the musical is not the same as mentioning "everything," and the musical is far and away the most important cultural depiction of Hamilton and the main way by which he is known to the current general public. Omitting all mention of the musical seems inconsistent with the approach taken in articles about other prominent people who are important or famous in their own right but are also the subject of an artistic work that plays a large part in their public perception, such as ] (] is mentioned in the lede and discussed in the body of the article); ] (the eponymous play is discussed extensively); or ] (] and its sequels receive two sentences of description under "Fictional Portrayals"). |
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::A brief, one-sentence description of the musical and its cultural impact alongside a link to the Cultural Depictions article would add little length to the article. Omitting even a brief acknowledgement seems like it's intended to make some kind of point about the musical. ] (]) 22:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::It seems that a large chunk of text relating to the musical was deleted in November 2022. I agree that even a brief mention would benefit the article, and the "it's too long" argument also doesn't really make much sense. The vast majority of attention Hamilton gets today is because of the eponymous musical, and even with the preexisting redirect, omitting any mention whatsoever to further guide the user towards a larger article is more of a disservice to his legacy than anything ] (]) 02:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Adding it back. ] (]) 16:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== PingPong == |
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at a young age he fell in love with a Tahitian woman and started playing tennis with her. Yet they found it to be too exhausting and made it compact, later creating the idea of PingPong ] (]) 16:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The current portrait being used to portray Hamilton at the top of the article is not Hamilton. The portrait was painted by John Trumbull two years after Hamilton's death, meaning that the portrait is merely what Trumbull remembers Hamilton looking like. There are many other contemporary portraits of Hamilton to choose from, some of which were also painted by Trumbull, that provide a much more accurate depiction of Hamilton particularly in his later years. Thank you for your consideration. UnbearableIsBad (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
In the intro, too... just calling him a genius is insubstantial, without even him backing it up, and, also, coming after AH agreeing to his own demise makes 'genius' sound bizarre... I think it should be removed, possibly to some other section with quotes about AH, as it seems extraneous (non-neutral as well, although quotes are treated differently), and repetitive too (a lot of insubstantial 'geniuses' in the intro, makes Paul Johnson sound like some cultish fan...) 92.18.124.187 (talk) 03:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I suggest you either delete: "The consensus of mainstream scholars and historians who have addressed the underlying question of whether Lavien was Jewish, such as Ron Chernow, is that the assertion is not credible." OR substitute with something like: "Mainstream scholars are divided on the question of The foregoing statement is not accurate. I wrote The Jewish World of Alexander Hamilton, which is cited in the notes and which argues that there is a probabilistic case that Hamilton and Lavien had a Jewish identity. Numerous leading scholars have endorsed the book's findings. Professor Jonathan Sarna, the world's leading authority on American Jewish history, described the research as "remarkable." Professor Stephen Knott, formerly of the University of Virginia, described it as "truly a pathbreaking work." Professor Stephen Whitfield, of Brandeis University, described it as "ingenious." Pulitzer Prize winning scholar and Harvard professor Annette Gordon Reed described it as “provocative and intriguing.” The book was published by Princeton University Press and won the Journal of the American Revolution Book-of-the-Year Award. It is simply not accurate for Misplaced Pages to dismiss the idea as a fringe theory. To be sure, it would be inaccurate to say there's now consensus that Hamilton likely was Jewish. But it is equally inaccurate to say that there's consensus he was not. The basis for the foregoing statement in Misplaced Pages is a short passage in Chernow's book. But Chernow made no special study of the topic whereas I dedicated an entire peer-reviewed book to it. It makes little sense to imply or suggest that his book refutes my findings when Chernow's book was written nearly twenty years earlier and thus did not engage my findings nor look at the reams of evidence from the Caribbean that I surfaced. 2600:8800:1B02:F300:81F9:253:808E:893C (talk) 01:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Since this topic is semi-protected, I'm not capable of doing it myself. I would appreciate it if someone could link Hercules Mulligan, Revolutionary War/Early Military Career - second paragraph, to his corresponding article. Thanks. BruceHoudini (talk) 16:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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Not done: The article already acknowledges your book. Without having read your book, this sounds to me like you want your view to be more prominently considered without any other sources. Ultraodan (talk) 13:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Done