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| Also the 2019 winner will not be competing in this year's event. | Also the 2019 winner will not be competing in this year's event. | ||
| == Olympic participation counted as a team appearance? == | |||
| == Team appearances for the GOATs? == | |||
| ]'s participations in the 2020 (played in 2021) and 2024 Olympic golf competitions are mentioned under professional team appearances, despite the tournaments were only individual competitions. He was selected to represent his country, but there were no team competitions involved. I can't find any other player article were playing in the Olympics is counted as a team appearance. Suggestion: Remove from headline and just mention in article. Opinions? Regards, ] (]) 14:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Why are there not any team appearances sections in the ] and ] articles? Regards ] (]) 18:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:Clearly not a "team" appearance in any meaningful golfing sense. Remove from that section I would suggest. ] (]) 16:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| ::Thank you ] (]) |
::Done by Tewapack. Thank you. At the Summer Youth Olympics, there is a mixed team event. See Marcus Kinhult and Linnea Ström. I added the event among team appearances in the ] article. Regards, ] (]) 20:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 15#Putting wedge}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> —] (] '''·''' ]) 20:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == New England Classics: proposing name changes == | |||
| I am struggling a little bit with for LPGA player Gurleen Kaur. She made the cut at the U.S. Open (although she finished 66th) which would qualify under ], but I cannot find sources that I feel would constitute significant coverage. There are some references from her college and some local television coverage, but mainly just mentions and nothing in-depth. What would be the project's take on notability with this one as I don't want to move to mainspace if it is likely to get deleted? ] (]) 19:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :It there isn't sufficient coverage to meet ], then we shouldn't have an article. As a minimum, per ], anything in draft needs to have one GNG qualifying source before being moved to mainspace. Also, anything relating to non-elite level sport (including school/college) would need to be particularly outstanding to justify an article on that basis alone. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Got it. What I am saying is she does qualify under ] (presumably notable) based on her making the cut in the U.S. Open. I am wondering if the references used would be considered significant coverage from those who regularly work in the project. Don't want to waste anyone's time with a deletion discussion, cleanup, etc. Hope that clarifies. --] (]) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::There is no longer a presumption of notability under NSPORT guidelines, only an indication the significant coverage is likely to exist. Also, NGOLF needs tightening as it's become clear that significant coverage does not actually exist for many players who make the cut in majors or play a small number of full season(s) on tour without making an impression. Personally, I'd say the references in the article are not enough – the two most detailed are not independent of the subject – so more is needed. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 11:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| There are two prominent golf events named the New England Classic on Misplaced Pages. I believe both names should change. | |||
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| In the 30 year history of the PGA Tour's ] it was only referred to by this title for four years. Meanwhile, the phrase "Pleasant Valley" was more common, used seven times among a number of iterations. In addition, the event was always held at ]. So something like the "Pleasant Valley Classic" seems to make the most sense. | |||
| I recently nominated two articles for deletion. They are ] and ]. I believe both fail ]. | |||
| In addition, in the early 1990s there was a developmental tour event entitled the ]. However, it was never associated with ]. Rather, it was affiliated with the Ben Hogan's business for the first three years and then ] for the final year. I think it should change to the "Ben Hogan New England Classic" as it was usually under this title. Also, it looks like I'm not the only golf editor who thinks this way as ] also noted this in a pages for deletion discussion from this spring. See this for reference. | |||
| We discussed the first page years ago but I never feel like we came to a strong conclusion about whether to keep it or not. If we could have a robust discussion on the deletion page that would be nice. I believe it is very similar (though not identical to) the ] that I successfully proposed for deletion a couple years ago. (See the full discussion here: ].) To me, the Swedish page is similarly awash in made-up cross-categorizations with no precedent in the media. | |||
| Regards, | |||
| With Ross' page, in the References section they have some sources that reference the courses he designed. But I'm not sure if the sources are reliable. And in general, this just seems like another standalone list - an idea we're trying to get away from. | |||
| ⚫ | ] (]) 01:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| Any contributions are welcome. | |||
| ⚫ | == Proposing pages for deletion == | ||
| I have recently proposed two golfers' pages for deletion: ] and ]. It would be nice to get responses from other golf editors. The deletion page links are below: | |||
| * ] | |||
| * ] | |||
| Regards, | Regards, | ||
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| ] (]) 22:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Have reverted the Donald Ross notice, his undeniable contributions to golf course design and adequate sourcing define the page. And who is "we" in "an idea we're trying to get away from" concerning standalone lists? They are fine, encyclopedic, and educational. ] (]) 11:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Could someone who actually understands golf take a look at this? I've heavily revised, but I'm not sure I'm characterizing her career correctly...she may not have 'played in the' associations, but simply been trying to 'get a tour card'? Thanks for any help! ] (]) 16:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == "This list of wins may be incomplete" note == | |||
| After working a couple of weeks with the ] article, I decided to delete the "This list of wins may be incomplete" note over her "Other" professional wins. Of course there are never a guarantee that a player, some were, some time, has won another tournament, but I think this note only should be used for players active long ago, where there is a big uncertainty about their wins and only concerning professional wins. For players active in modern times, there are so many sources covering all important professional tournaments worth to mention. Probably there are more similar articles with this unnecessary note. Opinions? Regards, ] (]) 21:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Removed the Swedish notice as well. I don't see how it fails LISTN as that information is compiled in Sweden. ] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">]</span>'' 13:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :: Hello ], | |||
| Hello everyone - It has struck me that we should do something about the ] article, which is clearly outdated, and which refers to this weekend's PNC Challenge. It should probably be moved to an article with the event's current title, but beyond that it's not restricted to father-son partnerships anymore. This year, Annika played with her teenaged son, and Nelly played with her father. I'm just putting this out there to call more experienced golf editors to have a look and let us know what you think. Regards, ''']]''' 00:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: To me, the ] page this still strikes me as the same idea as the Canadian list that was successfully deleted. Also, the central sources are in the Swedish language and this is an English-language site. Shouldn't all references be in English for en.wikpedia.org? | |||
| :Relevant discussion. Frequent changing av names on tournaments and tours is demanding for an encyclopedia. It is handled today and always possible to search on historic and new names. Sometimes it can be a lttle crazy with misleading names. Regards, ] (]) 07:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks, | |||
| :: ] (]) 19:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly | |||
| :::No, sources can be in any language. ] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">]</span>'' 19:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Welcome to the Wikiproject Golf talk page. This is the place for questions, answers, and telling the rest of the group some of your accomplishments. New members should put their name down in the appropriate spot on the main page. Comment away!
Korean Tour external link template
I'm thinking of creating a {{KoreanTour player}} template missing ID and not present in Wikidata. on the lines of the others at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Golf/Templates#External_link_templates. This would link through to http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=nnnnnnnn , eg K. J. Choi would be http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=00000190 . The only issue is that pages are in Korean but the "translate to English" in my Chrome browser is helpful, although occasionally obscure (eg height = 신장 is translated as kidney. The page contains a lot of good stuff. eg the second option (결과 = results) gives season by season results.
Full 2020-21 PGA Tour Schedule published
Noticed that the PGA Tour have published the full schedule for 2020-21 today .
2020 ANA Inspiration
I am wondering why no one has updated the details of the field in this LPGA Major after it was released on September 4. I have a link which lists the final field here: https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/09/04/ana-inspiration-major-field-105-dinah-shore/ Also the 2019 winner will not be competing in this year's event.
Olympic participation counted as a team appearance?
Xander Schauffele's participations in the 2020 (played in 2021) and 2024 Olympic golf competitions are mentioned under professional team appearances, despite the tournaments were only individual competitions. He was selected to represent his country, but there were no team competitions involved. I can't find any other player article were playing in the Olympics is counted as a team appearance. Suggestion: Remove from headline and just mention in article. Opinions? Regards, EEJB (talk) 14:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly not a "team" appearance in any meaningful golfing sense. Remove from that section I would suggest. Nigej (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Done by Tewapack. Thank you. At the Summer Youth Olympics, there is a mixed team event. See Marcus Kinhult and Linnea Ström. I added the event among team appearances in the Renato Paratore article. Regards, EEJB (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
"Putting wedge" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect Putting wedge has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 15 § Putting wedge until a consensus is reached. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
New England Classics: proposing name changes
There are two prominent golf events named the New England Classic on Misplaced Pages. I believe both names should change.
In the 30 year history of the PGA Tour's New England Classic it was only referred to by this title for four years. Meanwhile, the phrase "Pleasant Valley" was more common, used seven times among a number of iterations. In addition, the event was always held at Pleasant Valley Country Club. So something like the "Pleasant Valley Classic" seems to make the most sense.
In addition, in the early 1990s there was a developmental tour event entitled the New England Classic (Nationwide Tour event). However, it was never associated with Nationwide Insurance. Rather, it was affiliated with the Ben Hogan's business for the first three years and then Nike for the final year. I think it should change to the "Ben Hogan New England Classic" as it was usually under this title. Also, it looks like I'm not the only golf editor who thinks this way as pʰeːnuːmuː also noted this in a pages for deletion discussion from this spring. See this link for reference.
Regards,
Chief disambiguator (talk) 01:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Proposing pages for deletion
I have recently proposed two golfers' pages for deletion: Bobby Greenwood (golfer) and Jimmy Hazen. It would be nice to get responses from other golf editors. The deletion page links are below:
Regards,
Chief disambiguator (talk) 22:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Hailey Davidson (golfer)
Could someone who actually understands golf take a look at this? I've heavily revised, but I'm not sure I'm characterizing her career correctly...she may not have 'played in the' associations, but simply been trying to 'get a tour card'? Thanks for any help! Valereee (talk) 16:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
"This list of wins may be incomplete" note
After working a couple of weeks with the Trish Johnson article, I decided to delete the "This list of wins may be incomplete" note over her "Other" professional wins. Of course there are never a guarantee that a player, some were, some time, has won another tournament, but I think this note only should be used for players active long ago, where there is a big uncertainty about their wins and only concerning professional wins. For players active in modern times, there are so many sources covering all important professional tournaments worth to mention. Probably there are more similar articles with this unnecessary note. Opinions? Regards, EEJB (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Father/Son Challenge
Hello everyone - It has struck me that we should do something about the Father/Son Challenge article, which is clearly outdated, and which refers to this weekend's PNC Challenge. It should probably be moved to an article with the event's current title, but beyond that it's not restricted to father-son partnerships anymore. This year, Annika played with her teenaged son, and Nelly played with her father. I'm just putting this out there to call more experienced golf editors to have a look and let us know what you think. Regards, PKT(alk) 00:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Relevant discussion. Frequent changing av names on tournaments and tours is demanding for an encyclopedia. It is handled today and always possible to search on historic and new names. Sometimes it can be a lttle crazy with misleading names. Regards, EEJB (talk) 07:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)