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== Geert Wilders is not prime minister == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2023 == |
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Geert Wilders is incorrectly named prime minister of the Netherlands. Current outgoing prime minister is Mark Rutte. Even though Geert Wilder’s party won last election, he will not be prime minister as agreed with the other three forming parties. Succeeding prime minister after last election is not decided yet. ] (]) 20:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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The country's name is not "Netherlands", but "The Netherlands". The name of the entry should be "The Netherlands" and every time it is mentioned it should say "The Netherlands". Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:It ''does'' have "the Netherlands" in most places. It doesn't when it's giving the origin of the word "Netherlands", which makes sense, and it doesn't in phrases like "Clovis I had conquered and united all these territories in the southern Netherlands" or "modern day Netherlands"—surely you don't think it should say "... in the southern The Netherlands" or "modern day the Netherlands". If what's you're referring to is that the "the" isn't capitalized, that's because Misplaced Pages style says not to in ''any'' case where the name of something starts with "the", whether it's the Bahamas, the ''New York Times'' ("The New York Times" is the title), etc. See ], ]. ] (]) 19:28, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::I'm sorry, I missed that you were talking about the article's very title. Regarding that, see ]. (I'll just comment here that it's odd to me that anyone would be concerned about whether the "The" is included in the name of the country in English given that in Dutch the name is singular and is ''never'' prefixed with the definite article.) ] (]) 19:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Given this is also a request for renaming the page, I wanted to share the link to ], where you can find the process for requesting that a page be <del>renamed</del> moved, which is how we refer to renaming a page here. -- ] (]) 19:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::I think you meant "request that a page be ''moved'', which is how we refer to renaming a page here". ] (]) 20:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Woops! Yes, you are correct. This is what happens when I rewrite something to try and make it less jargon-y for an apparently-new user. --] (]) 20:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:The country's name is NEDERLAND - no plural and no definite article. The English name should be NETHERLAND but for some reason everyone keep incorrectly making the country name plural and adding the definite article. ] (]) 12:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::It's not incorrect to call it The Netherlands in English. That's what it's called. ] (]) 14:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::The country's name is KONINKRIJK DER NEDERLANDEN, literally KINGDOM OF-THE NETHERLANDS. Plural with the definite article. Why and when the Dutch began referring to the country informally in the singular and without the definite article I don't know, but English and other languages (Spanish {{lang|es|los Países Bajos}}, French {{lang|fr|les Pays-Bas}}) didn't make up the use of the plural with the definite article by themselves. ] (]) 19:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::The country's common name is "Netherlands". Sidolanters86 is clearly confused about the "Netherlands". The name has been debated many times in the past. The consensual decision and rationale can be found in the archives. ] (]) 22:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Indeed. The 't' in 'the' should not be capitalized. Compare to 'the US'. ] ] 16:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Absolutely! In terms of capitalization, the same rules apply to the "Netherlands", the "United States", the "United Kingdom", and the "Philippines"! ] (]) 00:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Do you have a source? ] (]) (]) 19:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Merge == |
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::Also it says Dick Schoof not Geert Wilder ] (]) (]) 19:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::According to this it is indeed Dick Schoof, ] (]) (]) 19:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::{{Respond|minus|{{{1|Denied}}}}} ] (]) (]) 00:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2024 == |
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Why not merge this with Kingdom of the Netherlands? |
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There isn’t a separate article for mainland USA or Australia. ] (]) 13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Mainland US and mainland Australia aren't distinct political entities. The Netherlands is one, having its own government and sitting alongside Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Maarten in the Kingdom. The Netherlands isn't just the European mainland anyway. It includes Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba. ] (]) 14:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:<small>], ]. ] (]) 18:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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::LOL, I'd accepted the premise as given. But even if those articles didn't exist, I stand by my observations. ] (]) 18:27, 24 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024 == |
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The map of the Netherlands and its provinces almost at the end is not entirely correct. There are 3 areas indicated as Flevopolder, but the one in which the word Flevo is written, is called Noordoostpolder, or in English Northeastpolder. The other 2 are indeed Flevopolders (multiple) as one is East Flevoland and the other is South Flevoland. Please correct this. ] (]) 12:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Netherland is now the 33d country with the most density, not the 16th. |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> correcting a map is not an edit request. Feel free to ask for help on ]. ] (]) 21:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC) |
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<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density</ref> ] (]) 10:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I updated all mentions of 16th to 33rd, and also changed the European population density rank from 5th to 6th. Thanks. ] (]) 17:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Misinformation == |
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This is just one example "the Netherlands stayed neutral in world war 1", that is not accurate,the Netherlands did not exist at the time,it was the Kingdom of the Netherlands,the Netherlands did not exist until December 29 1954 , ] (]) (]) 18:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2024 == |
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:I think that would be overly formal. The Kingdom and the country were the same as I understand. And referring to the Netherlands makes it more readable. ] (]) 18:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::@],but they are not the same though ] (]) (]) 18:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Well either the Netherlands did not exist and then the Netherlands refers to the Kingdom, or the Netherlands did exist and as part of the Kingdom stayed neutral, right? ] (]) 19:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I get what you are saying, but it may still be misleading to readers ] (]) (]) 19:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::The situation ''now'' is what's confusing. Before recently, "The Kingdom of the Netherlands" and "The Netherlands" were the same thing. ] (]) 21:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::This article makes the impression that ] and ] are the same things,but they are ,The Netherlands did not exist until 1954 from what I could determine,while the Kingdom of the Netherlands existed from 1815 ] (]) (]) 21:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::https://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-difference-between-holland-the-netherlands, ] (]) (]) 21:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:For me, a native Dutchman, this is not a substantive discussion. As it reads in ], the country is commonly known simply as The Netherlands. The Kingdom was constituted in 1815 but the Netherlands existed as a nation long before that. The country declared its independence in 1581, in the ]. Its territory and form of government have changed many, many times in 400+ years of existence but the country is still commonly referred to as the Netherlands. So, the article ] correctly states that diplomatic relations betheen the Netherlands and the United States started in 1776. In 1954, the ] was adopted, to give ] and the ] autonomy within the Kingdom. That does not mean that the Charter created a new, previously inexistent country called The Netherlands. It is true that today the expression "the Netherlands" refers more precisely to the mostly European part of the Kingdom and the expression "Kingdom" is to explicitly include ], ] and ]. Nevertheless, the expression "the Netherlands was neutral in World War I" is correct, just as is "the Netherlands and the United States started diplomatic relations in 1776". What is not correct is the phrase "the Netherlands did not exist before 1954".] (]) 22:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::@],see ],please provide sources for you statement ] (]) (]) 23:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Might you have the courtesy to specify which of Ruud's assertions you're contesting? I doubt that you disagree with every assertion made in the course of 11 sentences and it's unreasonable to expect Ruud to find sources to support all of them. Meanwhile, could you please find sources to support the supposition that it's considered egregious to refer to "The Kingdom of the Netherlands" as simply "The Netherlands" ''and especially'' for your assertion that there was no such thing as The Netherlands till 1954? ] (]) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::https://www.biicl.org/files/6299_charterenglish.pdf opposes that the netherlands and the kingdom of the netherlands are = ] (]) (]) 00:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Some terms can get specific legal meanings in particular contexts, this does not always define general usage, or even technical usage in other contexts. ] (]) 01:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::That source takes care of 1954 being the year in which the two entities were technically distinguished by calling one "Netherlands" and the other "Kingdom of the Netherlands". That has no bearing either on common terminology today or on terminology at any level in the days of World War I. The official name of the UK is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" but you'll notice that on Misplaced Pages it's generally referred to as "United Kingdom", period. The fact that the shortened form of "Kingdom of the Netherlands", "Netherlands", coincides with the full name of the smaller entity is beside the point. ] (]) 02:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Of course. James C. Kennedy (2017), A Concise History of The Netherlands, Cambridge University Press. ] (]) 02:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2024 == |
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<i>In January 2020, the Dutch government officially dropped its support of the word ''Holland'' for the whole country.<ref>{{Cite web |date=31 December 2019 |title=Wennen aan The Netherlands, want Holland bestaat niet langer |url=https://nos.nl/artikel/2316869-wennen-aan-the-netherlands-want-holland-bestaat-niet-langer |access-date=1 September 2023 |website=nos.nl |language=nl}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=margoD |date=3 September 2020 |title=Wat is het verschil tussen Holland en Nederland? |url=https://wheninholland.com/weetjes/het-verschil-tussen-holland-en-nederland/ |access-date=1 September 2023 |website=When in Holland |language=nl-NL}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Romano |first=Andrea |date=7 January 2020 |title=The Netherlands Will No Longer Be Called Holland |url=https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/netherlands-holland-official-name-change |access-date=5 February 2022 |website=Travel + Leisure |language=en}}</ref></i> |
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Netherlands must be changed into: The Netherlands ] (]) 22:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now''': please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 22:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't think "must" means what you think it means. It isn't a good idea to go around Misplaced Pages giving orders. ] (]) 22:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{Respond|minus|Unnecessary|alt=no}} ] (]) (]) 00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Dutch Value System == |
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<i>Starting in 2019, the Dutch government officially prefers ''the Netherlands'' instead of ''Holland'' when talking about the country.<ref>{{Cite web |date=31 December 2019 |title=Wennen aan The Netherlands, want Holland bestaat niet langer |url=https://nos.nl/artikel/2316869-wennen-aan-the-netherlands-want-holland-bestaat-niet-langer |access-date=1 September 2023 |website=nos.nl |language=nl}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=margoD |date=3 September 2020 |title=Wat is het verschil tussen Holland en Nederland? |url=https://wheninholland.com/weetjes/het-verschil-tussen-holland-en-nederland/ |access-date=1 September 2023 |website=When in Holland |language=nl-NL}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Romano |first=Andrea |date=7 January 2020 |title=The Netherlands Will No Longer Be Called Holland |url=https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/netherlands-holland-official-name-change |access-date=5 February 2022 |website=Travel + Leisure |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=8 November 2019 |title=Nieuw internationaal logo: 'NL' met gestyleerde oranje tulp |url=https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2019/11/08/nieuw-internationaal-logo-nl-met-gestyleerde-oranje-tulp |access-date=23 April 2024 |website=Rijksoverheid.nl |language=en}}</ref></i> |
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This section seems a bit POV to me and nationalistic. The sources are from 2000, nearly 25 years go. There has been a sharp rise of far-right parties in the Netherlands who hold anti-Islam views. In fact, they are currently in power of the country. |
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One reason for this rewrite is that the old claim that the government "dropped support" is false. https://holland.com still exists and mostly mentions "the Netherlands", but also has some articles referring to "Holland". Overall, I think it's therefore more reasonable to say that the government now "officially prefers". ] (]) 11:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I believe this sections should be removed. ] (]) 16:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
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: '''Done:''' Your phrasing sounds better than what was in the article IMO, with a few small changes. ] (]) 22:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Question:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> which of the sources that you cited says that {{tq|the Dutch government officially prefers..|q==yes}}? ] (]) 23:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Music Section == |
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I can appreciate examples of Dutch musicians of various styles, but it's reading a bit like a list of musicians without adding anything to the article. I think maybe just including a link to a ] at the start of the section and maybe just the top 2 or 3 most well-known or popular bands after each genre would make it cleaner. ] (]) 14:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Should drop name spam....] " Caution should be taken to ensure that the sections are not simply a listing of names or mini biographies of individuals accomplishments." Good example ]. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span>🍁 18:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Lopsided wording "inventiveness" and food exports == |
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From the intro: "Nevertheless, it is the world's second-largest exporter of food and agricultural products by value, owing to its fertile soil, mild climate, intensive agriculture, and inventiveness". |
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"inventiveness" is neither scientific, nor objective, nor neutral. I understand the intent looking at the source, but something like "innovative agricultural practice" or something would probably be a bit more serious than that word which really sounds like a value judgement. I'm also wondering if we shouldn't add the consequence (stikstof - nitrogen crisis) of the intensive agriculture but I'd let the experienced users be the judge. ] (]) 06:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:The whole sentence is wrong. A country can have fertile soil, a mild climate, intensive agriculture, and "inventiveness" and feed only itself, let alone be the second-largest exporter. And assuming those qualities lead necessarily to being an exporter, how does it necessarily follow from them that it will be precisely the ''second'' largest, as the wording implies? Finally, what does "second-largest ... by value" mean? By what value? Measured how? I have no idea! ] (]) 10:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Geert Wilders is not prime minister == |
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Geert Wilders is incorrectly named prime minister of the Netherlands. Current outgoing prime minister is Mark Rutte. Even though Geert Wilder’s party won last election, he will not be prime minister as agreed with the other three forming parties. Succeeding prime minister after last election is not decided yet. ] (]) 20:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:You're a sockpuppet ] (]) 18:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
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==Links to BBC News profile== |
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The two BBC News profile links at {{slink|Netherlands|External links}} go to the same page. I suggest removing one - the second, since that old URL now redirects. --] (]) 19:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}. '''〜''' <span style="font-family:Big Caslon;border-radius:9em;padding:0 7px;background:#437a4b">]</span> ] 22:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. --] (]) 08:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Geert Wilders is incorrectly named prime minister of the Netherlands. Current outgoing prime minister is Mark Rutte. Even though Geert Wilder’s party won last election, he will not be prime minister as agreed with the other three forming parties. Succeeding prime minister after last election is not decided yet. 87.212.254.148 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
The map of the Netherlands and its provinces almost at the end is not entirely correct. There are 3 areas indicated as Flevopolder, but the one in which the word Flevo is written, is called Noordoostpolder, or in English Northeastpolder. The other 2 are indeed Flevopolders (multiple) as one is East Flevoland and the other is South Flevoland. Please correct this. 2A02:A46A:2F3:1:F727:6E25:85B7:1B92 (talk) 12:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
This section seems a bit POV to me and nationalistic. The sources are from 2000, nearly 25 years go. There has been a sharp rise of far-right parties in the Netherlands who hold anti-Islam views. In fact, they are currently in power of the country.
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Not done: correcting a map is not an edit request. Feel free to ask for help on WP:GL/M. M.Bitton (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the 
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