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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2023 re: Hebron Size == == Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 July 2024 ==


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current text: "74,102 dunams (74.102 km2 or 28.611 sq mi)"
The hyperlink for matriarchs in the first section should be https://en.wikipedia.org/Patriarchs_(Bible)#Matriarchs, i.e. including #Matriarchs. Otherwise it just directs to the same page as the link for *Patriarchs*. ] (]) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Whilst the article claims that Hebron is 74 km2; this is the larger Hebron metropolitan area. The Hebron municipality covers ] (]) 08:37, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 23:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)


== Edit request: return to stable and consensual lead ==
== Al-khalil al-rahman ==


One user has made a lot of changes to the lead that are both incorrect and non consensual: all mentions of the ] have been removed (so now the claim that it is the third largest city “in the country” makes no sense as no country has been mentioned up until this sentence), there is a double .. that makes no sense, it claims Hebron is close the green line when it is it not - so I humbly suggest reverting the article to the consensual, stable lead that was in this article until two weeks ago. ] (]) 16:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
It says at the top of the page "الخليل الرحمن" but this name doesn't seem accurate because it is grammatically wrong in Arabic. The name of the city is related to the nickname of Abraham in Islamic tradition. The same way in Judaism and Christian tradition, Abraham is called the patriarch. However, the word Khalil means "friend" in Arabic. It is often said "khalil al-rahman" (خليل الرحمن) meaning "friend of the God" but not "al-khalil al-rahman" (الخليل الرحمن) which wouldn't sound grammatically correct in Arabic.


:Not done, this edit request is unclear (see ]) and anyway appears to be something that would require a consensus first. ] (]) 16:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Remove the name "الخليل الرحمن" completely because it isn't the name of the city but the nickname of Abraham in Islamic tradition. If you want to keep it then change it to "خليل الرحمن" although this is only the nickname of Abraham and not the city name. ] (]) 08:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
: I don't speak Arabic myself, but searching for this name finds quite a lot of Arabic web sites that use it. For example, it is used by the official Palestinian news agency. So it is hard to accept a claim that it is ungrammatical. On the other hand, I see just "Al-Khalil" much more commonly than "Al-Khalil Al-Rahman" and this should be mentioned if it can be properly sourced. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
::That's probably a mistake, most sources say "خليل الرحمن" not "الخليل الرحمن". Including sources from the same agency.
::https://info.wafa.ps/ar_page.aspx?id=3286
::https://wafa.ps/ar_page.aspx?id=SEL3GXa818647487691aSEL3GX
::https://wafa.ps/ar_page.aspx?id=hKF2gca872969741919ahKF2gc
::https://www.wafa.ps/ar_page.aspx?id=Xn39UUa514823184513aXn39UU
::It just doesn't sound correct to any person who speak Arabic to say "Al-Khalil Al-Rahman", instead, it is "Khalil Al-Rahman" which means friend of Al-Rahman. While Al-Khalil Al-Rahman would mean The friend Al-Rahman which would be like referring to Al-Rahman (God) as a friend, not to another person as a friend of God.
:: ] (]) 12:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Zero0000}} Al-Khalil Al-Rahman doesn't sound gramatically correct alone indeed. It could sound correct when it is added to a city, such as in the article by WAFA, مدينة الخليل الرحمن, i.e. "the city of Al-Khalil Al-Rahman". But for a standalone nickname, such as in first sentence, "Khalil Al-Rahman" should be good. ] (]) 15:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


== Edit request: return to stable and consensual lead (2) ==
== Beit Romano ==


There was a consensual lead that had been stable for years that has been butchered out without discussion and in a clearly non consensual way in the past two weeks. So my suggestion is to simply restore the “new”, unilateral lead to the previous, consensual one:
What is the connection between ], and "the British police station at Beit Romano" from the ]? ] (]) 02:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


“Hebron (/ˈhiːbrən, ˈhɛbrən/; Arabic: الخليل al-Khalīl, pronunciationⓘ or خَلِيل الرَّحْمَن Khalīl al-Raḥmān; Hebrew: חֶבְרוֹן Ḥevrōn, pronunciationⓘ) is a Palestinian city in the southern West Bank, 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem. Nestled in the Judaean Mountains, it lies 930 metres (3,050 ft) above sea level. The second-largest city in the West Bank (after East Jerusalem), and the third-largest in the Palestinian territories (after East Jerusalem and Gaza), Hebron includes the Cave of the Patriarchs, which Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions all designate as the burial site of three key patriarchal/matriarchal couples. The city is often considered one of the four holy cities in Judaism as well as in Islam.” ] (]) 17:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
== Climate classification ==


:Not done. This edit requires consensus (of EC editors). I will leave this unarchived for now so that they may comment if desired. ] (]) 17:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Article missing a climate classification.


:{{To|Selfstudier}} IP is correct that Kharbaan Ghaltaan's massive changes should be reviewed. I just deleted the whopper about it being near the Green Line, which is all I have time for at the moment. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
( ]) ] (]) 21:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
::{{Re|Kharbaan Ghaltaan}} Can you please comment about this. I recall that we had similar issues at the State of Palestine article. Perhaps you could cease making large scale changes while we resolve this. Thank you. ] (]) 08:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I for one found them too rapid and massive to handle. I don't like the <ref =O> format for one. The Harvard style method, which simply cites the listed source and always provides pagination, is scientific, whereas the other form leaves verification hanging in the air. The Harvard system was for long the default reference form. I was tempted to revert the lot, but didn't because some edits were clearly improvements.] (]) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::what large scale changes. If you think its not ok, then feel free to improve it. But don't revised whole at a time. ] (]) 13:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Are you saying you feel entitled to make large scale changes but other editors shouldn't?] (]) 13:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::::We can't have serious errors, bad English and so on. Other editors shouldn't have to improve such, that's a nono. ] (]) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 ==
== Hebron ==


{{Edit extended-protected|Hebron|answered=yes}}
It’s not professional to say “Palestinian city” ] (]) 21:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Please delink <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code> in the infobox image caption, as it links to an irrelevant page about ]. Thank you. ] (]) 00:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{already done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> by ]. ] (]) 09:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2024 ==
:Yes I agree, can this point of concern be addressed? What do others think? ] (]) 09:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
:It appears factual and supported by the sources. If your concerns fall within the parameters of the Israel–Palestinian conflict then it is not permitted for this discussion to be had by non-extended confirmed users. ] (]) 09:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
:Could you elaborate? ] (]) 07:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
::No need to elaborate. The most recent academic i.e.,'professional', study of the city in English is Tamara Neuman's, ], ] 2018. And if you don't trust the title see p.7. That 1 in 270 Hebronites happen to be Jewish doesn't change things, anymore than ] ceases to be a Victorian/Australian township because 10% of the population is ], ] bless'em.] (]) 11:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Even if Craigieburn was 100% Punjabi, it would still be an Australian city. Even if Tamara's next book is called "Finding Love in Craigieburn, a Palestinian City" it will still be Australian. 
:::Hebron is claimed by the sovereign state of Israel. ] (]) 19:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
::::No it is not. ''']''' - 20:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2024 ==
Simple typo fix: change "alone" to "along"


CURRENT: the economy of Hebron was more diverse, including agriculture and livestock herding, alone with glassware manufacturing and processing of hides.
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In first para “compromising” should be “comprised” - the area H2 is comprised of 20% of the city. ] (]) 20:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} "comprising" to avoid ]. ] (]) 02:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


PROPOSED: the economy of Hebron was more diverse, including agriculture and livestock herding, along with glassware manufacturing and processing of hides. ] (]) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 July 2024 ==
:{{done}}, thanks for making us aware of that, ] (]) 23:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Iberian convivencia ==
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The hyperlink for matriarchs in the first section should be https://en.wikipedia.org/Patriarchs_(Bible)#Matriarchs, i.e. including #Matriarchs. Otherwise it just directs to the same page as the link for *Patriarchs*. ] (]) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
“which ended centuries of the Iberian convivencia (coexistence)”
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 23:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Don't you mean The Muslim invasion of Spain ;)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 July 2024

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The hyperlink for matriarchs in the first section should be https://en.wikipedia.org/Patriarchs_(Bible)#Matriarchs, i.e. including #Matriarchs. Otherwise it just directs to the same page as the link for *Patriarchs*. Morinator (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: return to stable and consensual lead

One user has made a lot of changes to the lead that are both incorrect and non consensual: all mentions of the State of Palestine have been removed (so now the claim that it is the third largest city “in the country” makes no sense as no country has been mentioned up until this sentence), there is a double .. that makes no sense, it claims Hebron is close the green line when it is it not - so I humbly suggest reverting the article to the consensual, stable lead that was in this article until two weeks ago. 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:6CFF:3757:7454:502D (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Not done, this edit request is unclear (see WP:EDITXY) and anyway appears to be something that would require a consensus first. Selfstudier (talk) 16:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: return to stable and consensual lead (2)

There was a consensual lead that had been stable for years that has been butchered out without discussion and in a clearly non consensual way in the past two weeks. So my suggestion is to simply restore the “new”, unilateral lead to the previous, consensual one:

“Hebron (/ˈhiːbrən, ˈhɛbrən/; Arabic: الخليل al-Khalīl, pronunciationⓘ or خَلِيل الرَّحْمَن Khalīl al-Raḥmān; Hebrew: חֶבְרוֹן Ḥevrōn, pronunciationⓘ) is a Palestinian city in the southern West Bank, 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of Jerusalem. Nestled in the Judaean Mountains, it lies 930 metres (3,050 ft) above sea level. The second-largest city in the West Bank (after East Jerusalem), and the third-largest in the Palestinian territories (after East Jerusalem and Gaza), Hebron includes the Cave of the Patriarchs, which Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions all designate as the burial site of three key patriarchal/matriarchal couples. The city is often considered one of the four holy cities in Judaism as well as in Islam.” 2A02:14F:1EF:4E74:F92A:EC94:17B1:92F2 (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Not done. This edit requires consensus (of EC editors). I will leave this unarchived for now so that they may comment if desired. Selfstudier (talk) 17:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
To editor Selfstudier: IP is correct that Kharbaan Ghaltaan's massive changes should be reviewed. I just deleted the whopper about it being near the Green Line, which is all I have time for at the moment. Zero 03:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
@Kharbaan Ghaltaan: Can you please comment about this. I recall that we had similar issues at the State of Palestine article. Perhaps you could cease making large scale changes while we resolve this. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 08:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I for one found them too rapid and massive to handle. I don't like the <ref =O> format for one. The Harvard style method, which simply cites the listed source and always provides pagination, is scientific, whereas the other form leaves verification hanging in the air. The Harvard system was for long the default reference form. I was tempted to revert the lot, but didn't because some edits were clearly improvements.Nishidani (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
what large scale changes. If you think its not ok, then feel free to improve it. But don't revised whole at a time. Kharbaan Ghaltaan (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Are you saying you feel entitled to make large scale changes but other editors shouldn't?Nishidani (talk) 13:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
We can't have serious errors, bad English and so on. Other editors shouldn't have to improve such, that's a nono. Selfstudier (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please delink ] in the infobox image caption, as it links to an irrelevant page about Hebron, Connecticut. Thank you. 104.246.217.171 (talk) 00:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by User:Nishidani. NotAGenious (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2024

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Simple typo fix: change "alone" to "along"

CURRENT: the economy of Hebron was more diverse, including agriculture and livestock herding, alone with glassware manufacturing and processing of hides.

PROPOSED: the economy of Hebron was more diverse, including agriculture and livestock herding, along with glassware manufacturing and processing of hides. Octophant (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for making us aware of that, Huldra (talk) 23:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Iberian convivencia

“which ended centuries of the Iberian convivencia (coexistence)”

Don't you mean The Muslim invasion of Spain ;)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/48577858

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