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Current consensus (September 2024): In this RfC there was no consensus to remove the sentence in the lead which states that no medical evidence that Khelif has XY chromosomes has been published, consensus against stating that Khelif was assigned female at birth and consensus that sources presenting evidence for the possibility of XY chromosomes are unreliable.

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 3 times. The weeks in which this happened: July 28 to August 3, 2024 (1st) August 4 to 10, 2024 (5th) August 11 to 17, 2024 (19th)

List of medals

2018 Balkan Women's Tournament Silver

2019 african championship Gold

2020 Ahmet Comert Tournament silver African Olympic Qualifier Gold

2021 Bocskai Memorial Tournament silver Bosphorous Tournament Gold Golden Gloves Tournament Gold

2022 Strandja Memorial Gold Golden Belt Series Gold

2023 African Olympic Qualifier Gold

2024 USA Boxing International Tournament Gold Eindhoven Box Cup Gold 105.101.216.39 (talk) 19:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

These achievements already appear in the article. What is your comment, request, or suggestion? JFHJr (㊟) 19:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Intro move

For you all thinking it's a bold move, we're here to talk. Now, I ask to you: why (maybe) every athlete on Misplaced Pages has a "normal" intro with no arguments about his/her sexual behavior while this (Imane) has to? gtp (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I sympathise with the motivation but I don't think this works. First up, we are meant to avoid "Controversies" sections whenever possible. Secondly, the "controversies" are included throughout the rest of the article so having the section introducing it near the end seems back to front. It would be confusing for a reader, reading this for the first time.

Now, I'm certainly not here to argue that the "controversies" are anything other than artificially created misogynistic bullshit (with maybe a little racism sprinkled on for seasoning) but we do have to explain them without endorsing or overplaying them. I think we need to put some, (maybe not all?) of this back in the lead. The advantage of this is that it provides context for the content that follows and also makes sure that anybody who only reads the lead (like a lot of people do when they are in a hurry) learns that there is absolutely no evidence that any of the allegations are true at all.

One other thing that can be done to help is for editors who are good with sports articles to expand the coverage of her sporting activities so that this nonsense doesn't unfairly eclipse her achievements. DanielRigal (talk) 12:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I really appreciate your answer and consideration. What's more the fact you didn't "aggressively" revert even if you could. Anyway, my answer would be very simple and surprising and seemingly bad compared to your well explained argument. Simple: lots of Wikipedians and, in particular, occasional editors to Misplaced Pages are sex-addicted people. Everything they do, think is lead by sex or sex-sublimation. I'm really tired of this and, sometimes, I will "fight" those edits again and again.

As for this particular situation, there is also the negligence of who makes a surprise that one female boxeur (now professional) will seem quite androgyno, masculine. WTF, she's a punching girl! It's clear she didn't play with Barbies...As well as women in rugby, women power lifters etc. The surprising, enciclopedicity, would be if Miss Universe will seem a male, not a boxeur!

What's more, all claims started from disq. from World cup/championship sanctioned by Russia, ok? Russia, Putin, (obv. not everybody, not generalizing) a bunch of psychopathic pedophiles who aimed to have done some (vodka-influenced) "post-URSS" experiments on this babe. Final? With long hair she appears more feminine than half of ladies we can find out there.

All this to say, I'm not here to censure the controversy, just I'll fight to "detach" that label from her name, by pushing it in proper section. Peace. gtp (talk) 14:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I removed the newly created "controversies" section because it's just a repeat of what's covered in the article. No comment on the rest. Here's the diff of what was removed just in case there is disagreement about it. M.Bitton (talk) 22:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I've reverted it back to the lead. It's not excessively repetitive and, it is, unfortunately, the main thing she is notable for, and so it has to be in the lead, although maybe not in this much detail. The lead should summarise the body. Given the extent to which she has been lied about we can't de-emphasise this. We can't "detach that label". What we can do is make sure that even the most casual reader is told from the start that none of it is true. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

"it is, unfortunately, the main thing she is notable for". This time, I totally disagree with you. It could be, in your fantastic world where people follow news 3x each-day, but for majority of the world 3 Billions indo/chinese she's nobody. Maybe for some chinos she's the one who punched their girl, so well known for the gold medal instead that for androgyne appear. (Also their chino-girl was not a kind of a chick, honestly) gtp (talk) 07:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not fighting, since edit warring would result in further more claims to her controversies, which could result in losing the way to may goal. Anyway, if you all were more honest, per coherence (since she's well known), you would change the "is an Algerian athlete" with "is a controversial public figure due to claims by Russia on her genes and by one Italian girl who got punched by her". Apologize my sarcasm, but you experienced editors are often wise politic. correct when it advantageous, while popular when it's not. gtp (talk) 07:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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