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| Okay, I can see where 172.138.217.222 was coming from, trying to make it more neutral, but I'm almost 100% certain that the perception IS false. I'm changing it back. ] 22:50, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| TODO: Fix the English. There's a lot to fix indeed. ] 11:06, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC) | |||
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| I'm working on cleaning up the english. Since I don't know much about Japanese mythology, you might want to make sure I don't change the meaning. | |||
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| Sorry if these comments seem overly critical - just trying to make sure we're on the same page. | |||
| == What about Dragon's Palace? == | |||
| One of my favorite japanese legends is the one about the Dragon's palace... i'm sad that it isnt in this article... | |||
| ===Anyone else think this article is too short?=== | |||
| ==Modernization?== | |||
| Bearing in mind the length of some articles, and the sheer complexity of Japanese mythology, does anyone else think this article needs a lot added to it to make it fulfill its purpose? Perhaps something about Yamato-Takeru factored in? I think it's fair to call him mythological... ] 22:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
| What is that mess with 'modernization' of hu into fu and di, zi into ji? and 'mute' consonants? | |||
| ===Sorry=== | |||
| There is just romanization standards. Doesn't the wikipedia follow one? | |||
| and how words are ... spelled... | |||
| == The Shinto pantheon alone boasts a collection of more than 8,000,000 kami == | |||
| ...for I must admit that I myself am none other than 213.94.237.169, and I have now at last attoned for my crimes. I have undone all the destruction that I had previously caused to this article by modernizing all the spellings in it from the bottom up without reading the article through. ] 19:16, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
| See also, ''Complex in what sense?'' | |||
| ==="Susanowo"?=== | |||
| ''From the TokyoPop translation of NHK no Youkoso! (Volume 1, Chapter 4)'' | |||
| I've never seen "Susanowo" as a Romanization of this -- rather, "Susano'o", "Susano-o", or some variant thereof (not using "wo") conform to Hepburn and Kunrei Romanization. Even the ] uses the Romanization I mentioned as preferred. Can someone point to a source where the "Susanowo" Romanization is preferred? If not, we should probably use the standard transliteration. --] 17:44, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC) | |||
| '''Misaki''': In Japan alone, there are eight million--wait is that right? That's too many! Is that word "eight million"? | |||
| ===Creation of the World=== | |||
| '''Satou''': The word means "myriads" too. | |||
| There doesn't seem to be any english word that exactly replaces "happened". The best I could come up with was "appeared". Might help if I knew whether the first gods were born/created there, or if that was just their first appearence and they had existed for some time. | |||
| '''Misaki''': Huh? Oh I see now! It is "myriads"! Well anyway, the bottom line is that there are a lot of gods. | |||
| *I think "appeared" is the best term. Ancient Japanese believed that things (=deities) would appear out of nowhere without someone or something influencing them almost like lifting a veil that hid them. In Kojiki, death is also called "sugatakakusi", literally meaning hiding their forms. ] 06:33, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == The fact that Japanese deities are Koreans is written on each respective page == | |||
| What do you mean by "two and five pairs"? Is that a total of seven (7) pairs, making a total of fourteen (24) gods, or a total of twelve (12) gods? | |||
| I have aligned it with the consistency of other articles. For more details, please refer to the articles on Izanagi, Amaterasu, Susano-o, and Baekje. They are explicitly identified as Koreans with solid sources. | |||
| *It's 2 deities plus 5 pair of deities meaning twelve.] 06:21, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| This information should be added. Each page has reliable sources ] (]) 13:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| I'm assuming you used "mysteriously" because Izanagi and Izanami first appeared on the earth instead of in heaven. | |||
| *I'm not sure where this came from but they first existed in heaven. Remember that they made the ground.] 06:21, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Was the bridge they were standing on "a" bridge or "the" bridge? "a" would imply that there might have been several such bridges. "the" would imply that it was the only bridge between heaven and earth, and would also tend to imply that the bridge exists to this day, unless it was destroyed. | |||
| *It should be "the" as it is the only bridge that god could come down with and it is not "destroyed" or "exist" in a sense. This is a floating bridge that could be moved around at will. This is not proven to satisfaction anywhere but this "bridge" is believed to be a rainbow. A half rainbow stretching from a cloud to the ground looks like a bridge yet no one can find where it lands.] 06:21, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Was the first two, badly created, children of Izanagi and Izanami gods or islands? Or both? | |||
| *Neither. As it is not stated that they were destroyed, they probably stil exist somewhere.] 06:21, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| "Dozen" means exactly twelve (12). Might replace with "many" or "about a dozen". | |||
| Was Kagututi a daughter or a son? | |||
| *I think Kagututi is a son as a god with a destructive power is usually associated with a male. ] 06:33, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Was Kagututi "an" incarnation of fire, or "the" incarnation of fire? | |||
| *I believe it should be "the" as he is the only fire god in Kojiki. But Japanese language has no article and that even a minor difference is enough to make another god exist, it could be "an" too. ] 06:33, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| "The detested Izanagi" would mean that he was generally hated by everyone. I don't think that's what you mean, but I'll leave it alone since I don't know what you do mean. | |||
| I would put something like this, but I don't know what gender Kagututi is: "Kagututi was killed by his/her father, the detested Izanagi." | |||
| Might want to provide a link to a list of Izanagi and Izanami's children. | |||
| ===Yomi=== | |||
| What do you mean by "he flew back"? | |||
| ===Iwayado=== | |||
| By ornament chain, do you mean necklace or braclet perhaps? Maybe we should use the orginal Japanese word and explain what it means in paranthesis. | |||
| "Getting gentle females acquitted ''Sasano<u>w</u>o''." How did this feat clear him? What were the orginal rules of the contest? | |||
| Is this what created the cycle of night and day? | |||
| *No. This is believed to be a mythological recounting of a solar eclipse. ] 13:41, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ===Eight-pronged Dragon=== | |||
| Was Sasanowo kicked out of heaven, or did he leave of his own free will? | |||
| Did he make the sword out of the tail of the dragon, or did he find one there? | |||
| *He had tried to cut the tail but his sword struck something and that turned out to be a sword. ] 13:39, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ===Prosperity and eternity=== | |||
| I'm assuming their love was mutual. | |||
| "''Sakuya'' conceived by a night" I'm not sure what that means. "Within in a night, Sakuya was pregnant, causing ''Ninigi'' to doubt her." Perhaps? Or "A night later, Sakuya gave birth to three children, causing..." | |||
| So, since she took a gamble and it paid off, it proved her luck still held. Since she had sworn by her luck, this proved that she had told the truth? | |||
| ===Ebb and Flow=== | |||
| " entrusted her yearning to her sister." Does that mean she told her sister about her love, or asked her sister to look after her husband? | |||
| "Wani" in current Japanese means an alligator but until recently, it meant a shark. It's fixed. ] 13:38, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
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What about Dragon's Palace?
One of my favorite japanese legends is the one about the Dragon's palace... i'm sad that it isnt in this article...
Modernization?
What is that mess with 'modernization' of hu into fu and di, zi into ji? and 'mute' consonants? There is just romanization standards. Doesn't the wikipedia follow one? and how words are ... spelled...
The Shinto pantheon alone boasts a collection of more than 8,000,000 kami
See also, Complex in what sense?
From the TokyoPop translation of NHK no Youkoso! (Volume 1, Chapter 4)
Misaki: In Japan alone, there are eight million--wait is that right? That's too many! Is that word "eight million"?
Satou: The word means "myriads" too.
Misaki: Huh? Oh I see now! It is "myriads"! Well anyway, the bottom line is that there are a lot of gods.
The fact that Japanese deities are Koreans is written on each respective page
I have aligned it with the consistency of other articles. For more details, please refer to the articles on Izanagi, Amaterasu, Susano-o, and Baekje. They are explicitly identified as Koreans with solid sources.
This information should be added. Each page has reliable sources Silla69 (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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