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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: Not moved, 17 September 2024, to 2024 Lebanon–Syria pager explosions, see discussion. Inching ever closer to consensus, 19 September 2024, see discussion. Moved, 21 October 2024, from 2024 Lebanon pager explosions to 2024 Lebanon electronic device attacks, see discussion.

There's a typo I'd like to fix but I'm a humble IP editor and thus can't edit this extended-protected article

In the final paragraph under International law § Civilian status of Hezbollah members:

Marko Milanovic writes it is almost impossible for Israel to have known whether Hezbollah issued the pagers to military members or civilian ones, given than some pagers had been issued mere hours before the explosions. He concludes the attacks were most likely indiscriminate.

Italics added to the word in question; it should be that rather than than. 71.186.128.163 (talk) 06:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Done, because humbleness in this topic area should be encouraged. Thanks Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Under the Heading "Casualties" the article states that Al Jazeera, a pro Muslim and historically anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel newspaper states that "the Lebanese Labour Minister from Hezbollah, said that over 4,000 civilians were injured from the attacks." and does not follow up to state the fact that the Labor Minister, Al Jazeera and Hezbollah all consider Jews and Israel their arch nemesis. There are many articles from sources like the Lieber Report, the West Point military strategy magazine Lieber or The Center for Strategic Studies who speak about in their article that Hezbollah's command and control were disrupted by the pager attack, thus verifying that if you were carrying a Hezbollah pager, you were likely Hezbollah operative. Many other articles if you peel away from the lock step media (CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, Al Jazeera, AP, Reuters and PBS.) find the attack to be the most precision attack cause mass casualties to a military opponent in History, with minimal civilian collateral damage. LionofYehuda (talk) 07:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have added additional context to the Background section explaining that Hezbollah and Israel are historic enemies. If you want any other changes made, please request those changes in a Change "A" to "B" format. Thanks – Anne drew 22:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

CBS journalism deep dive 3 months on

Looks like there is a 15-minute deep journalism TV segment being aired later today by the CBS News journalists at 60 minutes. Appears it will include interview with a pseudonymous Israel Mossad agent. Here's the source for the upcoming segment, but not the segment itself: Israel’s Mossad learned Hezbollah was buying pagers from a company in Taiwan, and in 2022 started its pager plot. Sunday, a retired Mossad agent, key to the operation, explains how they made pagers explode., CBS News, 20 December 2024. Could potentially have some newly uncovered information in secondary source media that could improve the article. N2e (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Link to the full 14 minute interview segment: The Pager Plot, CBS News, 22 December 2023, retrieved 23 December 2023. It was actually with two retired Mossad agents, including the commander of the project at Mossad.

Here is a print journalism source from a military analysis publication about revelations about how the operations pager/walkie talkie attacks were planned, based on the Mossad agent interviews: Ex-Mossad Agents Reveal Details Of How They Turned Hezbollah’s Communications Devices Into Bombs, The Warzone, 23 December 2024. This source may be easier to use than the video source for improving the article. N2e (talk) 02:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Death damage to the milita/terror org

At this two days: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bj7izdk6r 2.55.163.47 (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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