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	Overall this is a clear, reliably-sourced account of the subject.		Overall this is a clear, reliably-sourced account of the subject.

	* This is more a question than anything, but it does feel like a gap in the otherwise excellent coverage. Three paragraphs of 'History', and the lead, claim there are significant influences from various places and groups of people, without really spelling out what the influences were. What would be local Arab influences, for instance? What is distinctive about Sephardic food? Are there any dishes, sauces, or techniques identifiably from the Maghreb, Iran, Bukhara, Yemen, Kurdistan? If so, what are they? It ~~woudl~~ be nice to have specific examples, and ideally dates. Conversely, are there any dishes (etc) that developed locally in Jerusalem, or have been there for millennia? I wonder if a map might help, with dates and examples? See for example ] for how that might be done and why it might help. Happy to discuss this, and indeed to help with graphics if that would be useful.		* This is more a question than anything, but it does feel like a gap in the otherwise excellent coverage. Three paragraphs of 'History', and the lead, claim there are significant influences from various places and groups of people, without really spelling out what the influences were. What would be local Arab influences, for instance? What is distinctive about Sephardic food? Are there any dishes, sauces, or techniques identifiably from the Maghreb, Iran, Bukhara, Yemen, Kurdistan? If so, what are they? It would be nice to have specific examples, and ideally dates. Conversely, are there any dishes (etc) that developed locally in Jerusalem, or have been there for millennia? I wonder if a map might help, with dates and examples? See for example ] for how that might be done and why it might help. Happy to discuss this, and indeed to help with graphics if that would be useful.

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	* All the images are on Commons and are plausibly licensed.		* All the images are on Commons and are plausibly licensed.

	* Article has 9 images in the text, followed by a "Gallery" section with 11 more images. This is perhaps rather a large number, but more troubling is the unsorted nature of "Gallery": the obvious question is "what's it for?", given that the text is already ~~cited~~. Better would be to include small galleries in "Main dishes" and in "Desserts" and to get rid of "Gallery"; indeed, you could have one with the street images in "History" – very likely, many of the existing Gallery images could be reused in those places.		* Article has 9 images in the text, followed by a "Gallery" section with 11 more images. This is perhaps rather a large number, but more troubling is the unsorted nature of "Gallery": the obvious question is "what's it for?", given that the text is already illustrated. Better would be to include small galleries in "Main dishes" and in "Desserts" and to get rid of "Gallery"; indeed, you could have one with the street images in "History" – very likely, many of the existing Gallery images could be reused in those places.
			** {{ping\|Chiswick Chap}} I believe that’s complete. Any feedback would be appreciated. ] (]) 19:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			*:Ah, ok, I see you've decided against galleries per individual section. Personally I'd prefer that but it's probably not a pass/fail matter, however advisable it may be. I do think that having the images running down into the References is untidy but I'll leave that for you to sort out "in slow time" later. I hope you have found the review useful; I'm happy to pass this as a GA now. ] (]) 19:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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	* Article is fully cited.		* Article is fully cited.

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	* Sources in Hebrew should be marked with \|language=he-IL, and the titles of those sources should be translated in a \|trans-title= parameter.		* Sources in Hebrew should be marked with \|language=he-IL, and the titles of those sources should be translated in a \|trans-title= parameter.
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	* The "rp" notation with a page number after a ref is used only once; it would be desirable to put this page number into the citation. I note that Ottolenghi is cited twice, in the same paragraph; the first usage has no page number, so ideal would be to put two page numbers into the citation, i.e. \|pages=xyz, 174.		* The "rp" notation with a page number after a ref is used only once; it would be desirable to put this page number into the citation. I note that Ottolenghi is cited twice, in the same paragraph; the first usage has no page number, so ideal would be to put two page numbers into the citation, i.e. \|pages=xyz, 174.
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	* Spot-checks are fine.		* Spot-checks are fine.

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	* Conversely, it's hard to see the point of writing {{tq\|The Jerusalem Post {{!}} JPost.com.}} - the name is sufficient, we don't need to repeat it abbreviated as a web address.		* Conversely, it's hard to see the point of writing {{tq\|The Jerusalem Post {{!}} JPost.com.}} - the name is sufficient, we don't need to repeat it abbreviated as a web address.
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	=== Summary ===		=== Summary ===

	This is a fine article and I hope to see it at GA soon. ] (]) 19:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)		This is a fine article and I hope to see it at GA soon. ] (]) 19:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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GA Review

Passed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: PeleYoetz (talk · contribs) 11:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 13:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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is known for several iconic dishes - maybe reword, something like "has several distinctive dishes", as "iconic" seems to apply to almost everything nowadays. Fixed Consider linking to Mediterranean cuisine, which may do better than typical of the Mediterranean climate. Done, along with a small change, thoughts? bustling markets - maybe drop the "bustling", true of most street markets really. Done Why is "Macaroni Hamin" capitalised? Fixed, changed Hamin to hamin hamin (also known as cholent) - are these two stews the same or different? They link to 2 different Misplaced Pages articles. Maybe they should be merged? If they're the same, what's with the 2 links? Something needs fixing here. They are similar Shabbat dishes, hamin in the Sephardic version and cholent is the Ashkenazi one. Both are slow cooked overnight, but each has a bit different ingredients. I changed the text to say hamin (comparable to the Ashkenazi cholent). including ... and more - one or the other, but not both! Fixed

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is known for several iconic dishes - maybe reword, something like "has several distinctive dishes", as "iconic" seems to apply to almost everything nowadays.
- Fixed
Consider linking to Mediterranean cuisine, which may do better than typical of the Mediterranean climate.
- Done, along with a small change, thoughts?
bustling markets - maybe drop the "bustling", true of most street markets really.
- Done
Why is "Macaroni Hamin" capitalised?
- Fixed, changed Hamin to hamin
hamin (also known as cholent) - are these two stews the same or different? They link to 2 different Misplaced Pages articles. Maybe they should be merged? If they're the same, what's with the 2 links? Something needs fixing here.
- They are similar Shabbat dishes, hamin in the Sephardic version and cholent is the Ashkenazi one. Both are slow cooked overnight, but each has a bit different ingredients. I changed the text to say hamin (comparable to the Ashkenazi cholent).
including ... and more - one or the other, but not both!
- Fixed

Comments

Overall this is a clear, reliably-sourced account of the subject.

This is more a question than anything, but it does feel like a gap in the otherwise excellent coverage. Three paragraphs of 'History', and the lead, claim there are significant influences from various places and groups of people, without really spelling out what the influences were. What would be local Arab influences, for instance? What is distinctive about Sephardic food? Are there any dishes, sauces, or techniques identifiably from the Maghreb, Iran, Bukhara, Yemen, Kurdistan? If so, what are they? It would be nice to have specific examples, and ideally dates. Conversely, are there any dishes (etc) that developed locally in Jerusalem, or have been there for millennia? I wonder if a map might help, with dates and examples? See for example Curry for how that might be done and why it might help. Happy to discuss this, and indeed to help with graphics if that would be useful.

Images

All the images are on Commons and are plausibly licensed.

Article has 9 images in the text, followed by a "Gallery" section with 11 more images. This is perhaps rather a large number, but more troubling is the unsorted nature of "Gallery": the obvious question is "what's it for?", given that the text is already illustrated. Better would be to include small galleries in "Main dishes" and in "Desserts" and to get rid of "Gallery"; indeed, you could have one with the street images in "History" – very likely, many of the existing Gallery images could be reused in those places.
- @Chiswick Chap: I believe that’s complete. Any feedback would be appreciated. PeleYoetz (talk) 19:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Ah, ok, I see you've decided against galleries per individual section. Personally I'd prefer that but it's probably not a pass/fail matter, however advisable it may be. I do think that having the images running down into the References is untidy but I'll leave that for you to sort out "in slow time" later. I hope you have found the review useful; I'm happy to pass this as a GA now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Sources

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Article is fully cited. The 2 refs in the lead section should be moved from there. Fixed Sources in Hebrew should be marked with \|language=he-IL, and the titles of those sources should be translated in a \|trans-title= parameter. Done The "rp" notation with a page number after a ref is used only once; it would be desirable to put this page number into the citation. I note that Ottolenghi is cited twice, in the same paragraph; the first usage has no page number, so ideal would be to put two page numbers into the citation, i.e. \|pages=xyz, 174. Done Spot-checks are fine. Samuni (Rolls) lacks lacking publisher/website, date; could also have author (i.e. last, first). I add the details of the publisher, Asif. Unfortunately they don't usually mention the author on their articles. It might be helpful to wikilink the newspapers cited (inside the citations), e.g. The New York Times, The Jerusalem Post, The Times of Israel. And an honorary newspaper, NPR. Done Conversely, it's hard to see the point of writing The Jerusalem Post \| JPost.com. - the name is sufficient, we don't need to repeat it abbreviated as a web address. Fixed

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Article is fully cited.

The 2 refs in the lead section should be moved from there.
- Fixed
Sources in Hebrew should be marked with |language=he-IL, and the titles of those sources should be translated in a |trans-title= parameter.
- Done
The "rp" notation with a page number after a ref is used only once; it would be desirable to put this page number into the citation. I note that Ottolenghi is cited twice, in the same paragraph; the first usage has no page number, so ideal would be to put two page numbers into the citation, i.e. |pages=xyz, 174.
- Done
Spot-checks are fine.

Samuni (Rolls) lacks lacking publisher/website, date; could also have author (i.e. last, first).
- I add the details of the publisher, Asif. Unfortunately they don't usually mention the author on their articles.
It might be helpful to wikilink the newspapers cited (inside the citations), e.g. The New York Times, The Jerusalem Post, The Times of Israel. And an honorary newspaper, NPR.
- Done
Conversely, it's hard to see the point of writing The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. - the name is sufficient, we don't need to repeat it abbreviated as a web address.
- Fixed

Summary

This is a fine article and I hope to see it at GA soon. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.