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Hello again!

New investigation launched, by me, on guess who! HyperShark244 (talk) 08:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

This is oddly satisfying. HyperShark244 (talk) 08:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi HyperShark244. I’ll take a look in a moment. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Only 39.62.0.0/16 seems somewhat worth reporting, as SheryOfficial is still using this as recent as yesterday , as yourself also noticed. Though others seem to be using this range as well. The user account you included doesn't seem to be them, not the same patterns. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

OK. I didn’t find anything that I would consider an obvious giveaway from Apni_Baat, however I did see some suspicious things, which is why I thought it was a good idea to request for a check on them. Also would you recommend adding 182.191.0.0/16? This is the cluster of IPs behind , and recently, . HyperShark244 (talk) 15:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Ops, not sure why I never replied to this. Either it was too late or I forgot I guess?? I'm sorry for that. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No worries, Shery is now back at 39.62.0.0/16 it seems. HyperShark244 (talk) 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I see. Something is definitely off here, I'll keep an eye. Thanks for letting me know! HistoryofIran (talk) 13:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

New message from Maliner

Maliner (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Just curious

I see you all over iranian wikipedia like everywhere what is your goal exactly also that map you made of the sassanids what sources did you use? MrHappy2020 (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again MrHappy2020. Just a hobby. I don't really recall which sources I used, though the afromentioned Rezakhani was amongst them. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I would really like the sources for the map as i have talked with other Sassanian map makers and sometimes they agreed with you and sometimes they didnt MrHappy2020 (talk) 11:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I still don't really recall which sources I used. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I asked you something on the Sasanian empire wiki i would like to bring back the discussion about the map on it MrHappy2020 (talk) 12:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

PakistanHistorian

Hey @HistoryofIran, Do you think the IP commenting at Talk:Zia-ul-Haq#Non-English scripts and IPAs in lede and infobox PakistanHistorian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), I think they are but you have dealt with them more than me so thought should ask for confirmation and do you know an admin who is familiar with this sock and maybe be more willing to handle them effectively so I do not have to waste my time discussing their disruption and vandalism with them. Also, do you have any thoughts on the topic itself? It is a pity that I am forced to discuss with an editor who is evading their block just because they keep reverting and edit warring on multiple pages. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sheriff. Definitely something suspicious, but I'm actually a bit unsure about their connection to PakistanHistorian. They have the same geolocation PakistanHistorians suspected IPs and are also interested in Punjabi related stuff. It seems they have been active in this range at least several times . I do have some thoughts about this, I've written a comment in the talk page. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hamzeh Mirza Heshmat od-Dowleh

The article Hamzeh Mirza Heshmat od-Dowleh you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hamzeh Mirza Heshmat od-Dowleh for comments about the article, and Talk:Hamzeh Mirza Heshmat od-Dowleh/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Borsoka -- Borsoka (talk) 06:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Advice

Hello, HistoryofIran.

The User talk:185.146.112.192 is engaging in disrupte editing. Neither does this IP provide sources and is POV pushing. And this IP has been warned multiple times for this on his/her talk page.

I asked for an intervention in WP:AN/I, but to no avail, and for a temporary block in Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism, which was rejected as insufficient to warrant a block.

After he/she was blocked for 24 hours, this IP created an account as User talk:Ibish Agayev in order to evade the block and has resumed his/her POV pushing.

Do you have any additional advice?

Kindest regards, Moroike (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Moroike. This should hopefully do the job . HistoryofIran (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply and thank you very much for the vandalism alert about this IP.

The IP's account User talk:Ibish Agayev has been permanently blocked, but the IP will almost certainly resume his/her POV pushing, once his/her 24 hour block ends.

The IP has also done the same POV pushing under different IP numbers, which you can see in the history section of the article Siege of Lankaran.

Kindest regards, Moroike (talk) 17:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

If they continue (which I also think is a high possibility), then a range block seems to be the best opinion - it's probably best for it to be requested through a WP:SPI. This seems to the range they're using . I would wait for them to continue before filing a SPI, so your case is taken fully serious. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Moroike (talk) 05:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello HistoryofIran, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, Theofunny (talk) 14:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Theofunny (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Theofunny. Thank you very much and likewise! HistoryofIran (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome! Theofunny (talk) 21:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Edits of user 5.74.69.152

Hi there, would you please review all the other edits of this IP? I'm not really an expert in the areas where their edits have been done, but it looks like you might be. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 01:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kiwipete. IP seems to be pov pushing, adding Persian-related stuff and removing Arab-related stuff. I've reverted the rest of their edits, best. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Farsi?

Hi HistoryofIran, long time no speak. Do you understand Farsi, or know an editor who does? At FAC we have couple of Farsi sources which we need someone to check to ensure that they match what the article says. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gog, long time no speak indeed. I understand Farsi, but unfortunately not its script.. so yeah. Though ChatGPT has never failed to deliver with its excellent translations when I've used it. Perhaps you could be interested in this one, @Hounaam:? You obviously don't have to reply, just thought of your nice recent edits. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Dear @HistoryofIran Thank you so much for reaching out and for your trust in me. While my specialization lies in art and culture, reviewing Persian texts and inscriptions is certainly within my expertise, and I’m more than happy to assist.

@Gog the Mild It’s always a pleasure to contribute to such meaningful work, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to support the team in any way I can. Hounaam (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Eumerus, @FAC coordinators: : we seem, perhaps belatedly, to have a Farsi reader. Perhaps it would be worth running the sources and text past Hounaam, even if it is just advance planning for the next FAC? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. And sources to spot check, too. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I shall leave you, Hounaam and Amir Ghandi to it then. And many thanks to HistoryofIran for facilitating this. (If you fancy reviewing an article, you could try this one .) Gog the Mild (talk) 17:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

with pleasure, thanks for your trust.

Cheers! and Happy New Year! Hounaam (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Siyâvush Beg Gorji

Hi HistoryofIran,

You are absolutely right about the need for exact references regarding Siyâvush Beg Gorji. What we currently have is Siavashon (Savashon), which relates to art of Safavid. I’ve added a note to the text emphasizing that further research is necessary. Hopefully, this will encourage researchers to explore this topic in greater detail.

Best regards, Kanahmad (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kanahmad. Sorry, but that's not good enough. We need to cite (WP:CITE) WP:RS that supports our additions. Best. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi HistoryofIran,

Thank you for your reply. I think that reaching out to researchers and sharing this topic is a great idea. It’s also worth noting that another Georgian painter, who is buried in Zavarek, might be a relative of Siyâvush Beg Gorji. He served as both a painter and a military commander under Nader Shah.

Best regards, Kanahmad (talk) 14:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maliner. Thank you and likewise, happy new year! HistoryofIran (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hazaras article

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hazaras&diff=cur&oldid=1267763033

Seems to be Pov edits, what do you think? Theofunny (talk) 11:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Also check the article on the tribes of Hazaras where cited content has been removed despite objection by you and another editor. Theofunny (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Theofunny. Thank you very much for letting me know. It definitely seems fishy, I'll look into it. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Appeal to approve my earlier changes

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Nakhchivan Khanate had a flag and the coat of arms. I don't understand the reason you reverted the changes and removed the flag and the coat of arms Egl7 (talk) 14:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ops, forgot to mention those two. They're not supported by any WP:RS. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I made a research of the editing history of this article and seen that there was a language that a person wanted to add to the languages officially spoken in Nakhchivan Khanate. In response you reverted the changes back and told him that the language he wanted to add was not officially spoken in Nakhchivan Khanate. But then someone added the same language again and nothing was reverted back. What is the reason you ignored those changes? Is that language now considered as one of the languages that have been officially spoken there? Egl7 (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Please don't create multiple sections for the same article, it's just gonna make it messy. And I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, linking diffs would be helpful. And most importantly of all, please read WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1167805670 here you are saying that this language was not officially spoken there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1177447457 here are the changes that have been ignored by your side Egl7 (talk) 16:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What..? First diff I remove are unofficial, irrelevant languages in the lede, the other diff a random IP adds Armenian under common languages in the infobox, where Azerbaijani is also mentioned - what do they have to do with each other? Why do you even know of such diffs so long ago, do you have other, older accounts? Also, I don't appreciate you doing this . You do not decide what article I want to edit. And that's not "ancient cities and khanates of Azerbaijan" per WP:RS, Azerbaijan first becoming a country in 1918, here are many relevant WP:RS citations . HistoryofIran (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand the reason you are accusing me of these things and the reason you are almost unkind to me. So you are telling me that a random IP can make changes to a article and it's going to be ignored? Then why didn't you ignore my changes and the changes that were done in the first link i sent to you? You are accusing me of having older accounts that literally makes no sense, because anyone can see what edits have been done to an article the whole time. I could even have other accounts and I don't understand what's so bad about it? In the first link you can see that someone adds a language, then you revert his changes back. I noticed that you specifically ignored the changes done in the second link i sent to you. And you are the one accusing me of having other accounts? I know that Azerbaijan became a country in 1918. Before becoming a country this territory consisted of khanates. These khanates didn't want to unite much earlier and that's why Azerbaijan became a country only in 1918. Honestly I didn't go into details and thought that in the first link user adds Armenian in the infobox. Okay. If you are telling me that you removed the unofficial Armenian language that has not been officially spoken in Nakhchivan Khanate (we are talking about the first link here), then why did you let a random IP address Armenian to the infobox? I don't appreciate you doing these. I was never rude to you all this time and you are telling me that i don't decide what article you want to edit when I never told you that. You are right, these khanates were not officially a part of Azerbaijan, but i want to note that people in this territory are called Azerbaijani, and there are even 30 million Azerbaijani people living in the territory of current Iran which is also called Southern Azerbaijan because even many people who are citizens of Iran consider themselves Azerbaijanis, there are 30 million of those people. I'm telling you this so you know that these people live on these lands since a very long time, there is no way that so many people just randomly appeared here. Egl7 (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

So you are telling me that a random IP can make changes to a article and it's going to be ignored?

I think you're heavily misunderstanding something here. Please re-read my comment.

Then why didn't you ignore my changes and the changes that were done in the first link i sent to you?

You were already told of this.

You are accusing me of having older accounts that literally makes no sense, because anyone can see what edits have been done to an article the whole time. I could even have other accounts and I don't understand what's so bad about it? And you are the one accusing me of having other accounts?

I asked you if have older accounts, you could just say yes or no (it's not against the rules to have more than one account, you just need to mention it on your userpages though). It's really not that serious. Yes, but very rarely does something jump to diff almost 2 years ago and bring them up.

Okay. If you are telling me that you removed the unofficial Armenian language that has not been officially spoken in Nakhchivan Khanate (we are talking about the first link here), then why did you let a random IP address Armenian to the infobox?

Please re-read my comment and look at that edit again, it's located in "common_languages" in the infobox. "Common" and "Official" are not the same thing.

you are telling me that i don't decide what article you want to edit when I never told you that.

Then why did you randomly tagging me and ask others why I am "controlling" "articles of ancient cities and khanates of Azerbaijan" despite "not being a member" of WikiProject Azerbaijan...? Is there a rule for that?

You are right, these khanates were not officially a part of Azerbaijan, but i want to note that people in this territory are called Azerbaijani, and there are even 30 million Azerbaijani people living in the territory of current Iran which is also called Southern Azerbaijan because even many people who are citizens of Iran consider themselves Azerbaijanis, there are 30 million of those people. I'm telling you this so you know that these people live on these lands since a very long time, there is no way that so many people just randomly appeared here.

Misplaced Pages does engage in anachronism, and follows WP:RS. Please read the policy. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1. So what is the reason you ignored the user in the second link? How did a random IP get away with it so easy?
2. Some of your questions are unnecessary and having multiple accounts is not that serious.
3. I asked that question in the talk of project Azerbaijan because of my own free will, if i'm interested in something i can know the answer, there is nothing wrong with asking those questions and there is nothing to be ashamed of. I'm new here, that's why i'm not a member of project Azerbaijan but i can be one in the future too if i want to.
4. I also asked that question because it would seem weird not only to me but also to others that a user that doesn't participate in project Azerbaijan but specifically participates not only in project Armenia but also many other things related to Armenia controls the article of khanate that now is a city of Azerbaijan
5. So you can't tell how so many people of one ethnicity can appear on these land in a very little time because it's physically impossible to reproduce that fast.

Egl7 (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

So what is the reason you ignored the user in the second link? How did a random IP get away with it so easy?

Again, I have already answered this. There was nothing wrong with their edit, unless you mean to claim that Armenian was not spoken in the Nakhchevan Khanate at all. The more important question is why are you swapping the place of Armenian and Kurdish, so the former appears lower? .

Some of your questions are unnecessary and having multiple accounts is not that serious.

I find it pretty relevant to ask when you bring up two random diffs from almost 2 years ago. And I know it's not that serious, I just said that.

I asked that question in the talk of project Azerbaijan because of my own free will, if i'm interested in something i can know the answer, there is nothing wrong with asking those questions and there is nothing to be ashamed of. I'm new here, that's why i'm not a member of project Azerbaijan but i can be one in the future too if i want to.

There are more polite ways to do that. Such as simply asking me now that you're here.

I also asked that question because it would seem weird not only to me but also to others that a user that doesn't participate in project Azerbaijan but specifically participates not only in project Armenia but also many other things related to Armenia controls the article of khanate that now is a city of Azerbaijan

WikiProjects aren't that serious. It's just a little neat thing, everyone can easily become a "member". I had completely forgot that I was a "member" of WikiProject Armenia before you mentioned it.

So you can't tell how so many people of one ethnicity can appear on these land in a very little time because it's physically impossible to reproduce that fast.

I linked you a plethora of WP:RS, you can read that. Speaking of which, have you read the WP:RS policy yet? HistoryofIran (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1. You could add Armenian language yourself too if you are a big supporter of the changes made by the user in the second link. You contradict yourself. You told the user in the first link that Armenian was not officially spoken there and now you are telling me that it was a "former" language? Then what is stopping you from swapping Armenian and Azerbaijani?
2. I apologize if that hurt your feelings, but it's not impolite to asks questions that don't contain hate speech, harassment or sexually explicit language.
3. It's a little suspicious because everything in your profile is about supporting Armenia's actions.
4. I will take time and go into details of it, but some of the links you marked here hurt to read. These sources are not reliable at all and i don't think that they are approved.

Egl7 (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

You could add Armenian language yourself too if you are a big supporter of the changes made by the user in the second link. You contradict yourself. You told the user in the first link that Armenian was not officially spoken there and now you are telling me that it was a "former" language? Then what is stopping you from swapping Armenian and Azerbaijani?

What does that have to do with anything? I could add Armenian yes, I also couldn't. I could do a lot of things - which is my own business. I have other things to do than edit in Misplaced Pages. "Official" and "common" does still not mean the same thing.

I apologize if that hurt your feelings, but it's not impolite to asks questions that don't contain hate speech, harassment or sexually explicit language.

Please look up the meaning of "impolite" as well.

It's a little suspicious because everything in your profile is about supporting Armenia's actions.

That so? I have three things (out of 25) about Armenia on my userpage, the WikiProject Armenia, being interested in the history of Greater Armenia, and opposing the denial of the Armenian genocide. So how does that "support" Armenia's "actions"? Did the Armenian genocide not happen? Please answer.

I will take time and go into details of it, but some of the links you marked here hurt to read. These sources are not reliable at all and i don't think that they are approved.

It's clear you still haven't read WP:RS. I am asking you for the fourth time to read it. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1. It's obvious that you are active here if you reverted my changes back and answered my questions in minutes. And i'm sure that if i swap Azerbaijani and Armenian languages you are going to ignore my changes.
2. If someone says something wrong about, for example, your friend, something that is considered wrong about them, at least between you two, wouldn't you tell them about it right away? It would be a shame to ignore that and keep silent, right? So what do you want me to do? If I hadn't done that to my friend, it would be very impolite towards them.
3. You are not kidding, right? The point of your profile is mostly to support Armenia's actions. The fact that you ask me this question means that everything that was added to the description of your account was added intentionally. I did not refute anything that was written in your profile but you don't support both sides at all, there is nothing about Azerbaijan in your profile yet you are here reverting back changes of article that belongs to the khanate which is now a city of Azerbaijan. Did Khojali genocide not happen? You are telling me that you have three things about Armenia but you also have 0 about Azerbaijan. You are here on Misplaced Pages 12 years and you are trying to tell me that you don't know everything so well? If you are going to tell me that it's the sources and you didn't do anything wrong: you are literally stating the sources that contain only negativity about Azerbaijan. You are not doing justice. Azerbaijan is all negativity to you. Can you people just live in peace? Tell me honestly do you really like to spread negativity?
4. I'm telling you again, i opened one of the links you sent to me and i was frightened. Everything is against Azerbaijan here. The wprs is not reliable and these sources are not reliable at all.

Egl7 (talk) 20:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Also i don't quite understand this "Misplaced Pages does engage in anachronism". Misplaced Pages says itself that there are 30 million people living in Iran. I opened up the en.wikipedia and it says 23 millions. Is this not convincing? Do you mean that this is anachronism? Then I can call everything i see "anachronism" on Misplaced Pages. Egl7 (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It's obvious that you are active here if you reverted my changes back and answered my questions in minutes. And i'm sure that if i swap Azerbaijani and Armenian languages you are going to ignore my changes.

It seems you still don't get the difference between those two diffs. And you do not know me, so please refrain from making these kind of claims. And you did still not answer why you swapped Armenian and Kurdish, so that the former appeared last.

If someone says something wrong about, for example, your friend, something that is considered wrong about them, at least between you two, wouldn't you tell them about it right away? It would be a shame to ignore that and keep silent, right? So what do you want me to do? If I hadn't done that to my friend, it would be very impolite towards them.

So... did the Armenian genocide happen? It's a simple yes or no question.

You are not kidding, right? The point of your profile is mostly to support Armenia's actions. The fact that you ask me this question means that everything that was added to the description of your account was added intentionally. I did not refute anything that was written in your profile but you don't support both sides at all, there is nothing about Azerbaijan in your profile yet you are here reverting back changes of article that belongs to the khanate which is now a city of Azerbaijan. Did Khojali genocide not happen? You are telling me that you have three things about Armenia but you also have 0 about Azerbaijan. You are here on Misplaced Pages 12 years and you are trying to tell me that you don't know everything so well? If you are going to tell me that it's the sources and you didn't do anything wrong: you are literally stating the sources that contain only negativity about Azerbaijan. You are not doing justice. Azerbaijan is all negativity to you. Can you people just live in peace? Tell me honestly do you really like to spread negativity?

Sheer whataboutism. This is not an appropriate place for your issues with Armenia and its conflict with Azerbaijan. Please refrain from making WP:NPA/WP:ASPERSIONS, and please take this somewhere else, eg. a forum. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1. Tell me why would it be the other way. There were more Kurdish people than Armenian, so how is it possible that there is a bigger number of people that spoke Armenian?
2. It did happen, though, in many sources it's said that it was a war, not a genocide. What does this have to do with all i said above?
3. So do you betray your friends? This is a simple yes or no question.
4. Did the Khojali genocide happen? It's also a simple yes or no question.
5. I repeat that i don't quite understand this "Misplaced Pages does engage in anachronism". Misplaced Pages says itself that there are 30 million people living in Iran. I opened up the en.wikipedia and it says 23 millions. Is this not convincing? Do you mean that this is anachronism? Then I can call everything i see "anachronism" on Misplaced Pages.
6. I never mentioned neither any issues with any country nor any conflicts.

Egl7 (talk) 20:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)