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	"Hussein's rule was a repressive dictatorship notorious for it's human rights abuses." You cite that he was a dictator but not that he was notorious for human rights abuses. While it may seem obvious (sic) to westerners it needs a solid citation. -thanks		"Hussein's rule was a repressive dictatorship notorious for it's human rights abuses." You cite that he was a dictator but not that he was notorious for human rights abuses. While it may seem obvious (sic) to westerners it needs a solid citation. -thanks

			== Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2024 ==
	== Infobox image dispute ==

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Saddam Hussein\|answered=yes}}
	@] Since you seem unwilling to familiarize yourself with ], let me make this clear. Once your edit is disputed or reverted, you're expected to refrain from edit warring over it. Instead, you should seek consensus by initiating a discussion to explain why you think your changes are appropriate. Now is your chance to do that. ] (]) 23:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
			Replace "<nowiki><br/></nowiki>" immediately before the voiceclip in the infobox with "<nowiki>\|module2 =</nowiki>" so that the clip is center instead of aligned to the left. ] (]) 01:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{done}}. Thanks for pointing it out.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 01:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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	:I guess you're not familiar with the things you cite.
			I ask the English Misplaced Pages editors why my article about Saddam's proclamation doesn't get published? this article exists in 4 other languages (Arabic, Persian, Hebrew and Kurdish), then why not it doesn't get published in English?
	:Anyways, @], @], @], @], and @]: do you prefer ] over the current one? ] (]) 08:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
			the article's name is: "Three things that God should not have created: Persians, Jews and flies"
	::This photo is not bad but this one is more better ] ] (]) 09:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
			please tell me the reason of "not publishing" it to know.
	::I prefer this over the other one. It is high quality, and the other one is worse quality — I most definitely think we should use this image ] (]) 12:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

	:::do you mean the one which is this section right now.. ] (]) 12:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
			the link of the Arabic Misplaced Pages of this article is :
	::The fact that you're dismissing BRD as a mere "optional" strategy shows how reluctant you are to working towards reaching consensus instead of edit warring. Furthermore, what you've just done is ], and that's not how an RfC is conducted. I will initiate one below. ] (]) 16:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
			https://ar.wikipedia.org/%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AB%D8%A9_%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87_%D8%A3%D9%86_%D9%84%D8%A7_%D9%8A%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%82%D9%87%D9%85:_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%B3_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B0%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8 ] (]) 13:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::I didn't "dismiss" anything. I just pointed out what WP:BRD says, since you seem to be having trouble with that. Anyways, I'm not sure what you mean by "]," there's nothing against me tagging recent editors for their views and Comitialbulb561 was part of the previous discussion I tried to hold last year. ] (]) 00:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
			:I assume it's because there isn't much content to fill a Misplaced Pages article. Mention of the pamphlet could easily be inserted into the article on its author, ] (whose article does in fact mention it) or in the article on Saddam. --] (]) 23:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	=== Survey ===

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			Would the torturer category be appropriate here? ] (]) 06:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:I am not aware of Saddam personally torturing anyone. Ba'ath members were known to do that to political enemies but so has every Iraqi army to ever exist. ] (]) 18:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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		⚫	::No, there is no need to add the torturer category ] (]) 11:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	\| caption1 = '''Option A''' (1998)
	\| image2 = Saddam-ArabSummit-11Nov1987.png
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	\| caption2 = '''Option B''' (1987)
	\| image3 = Saddam Hussein 1979.jpg
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	\| caption3 = '''Option C''' (1979)
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	\| caption4 = '''Option D''' (late 1960s)
	\| footer = What image should this article use in the infobox?
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	* '''Option A''' We should retain the 1998 image in the infobox as it represents Saddam at the peak of his power and global notoriety (following the Gulf War and just before the invasion of Iraq). I don't see a compelling reason to replace it, especially considering that the sole argument presented by Skornezy for changing the image is their subjective claim that . ] (]) 17:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
	* '''Option C''' It looks clearer and represents Saddam at beginning of his powerful and prosperous days in Iraq ] (]) 17:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 22:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
	*'''Option B but willing to accept C''': Option B is objectively the better image in terms of image quality, so not sure why that's in dispute. Option A is grainy and pixelated, and Saddam has a massive grin on his face which doesn't look very official. Option D is too small and has no colour. Option C is pretty clear, although not as clear as the Option B, and it's a painting portrait rather than a photographic portrait. ] (]) 00:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
	*:I'm pinging other recent editors for their input: @], @], @]. ] (]) 00:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
	*:'''Option B''' - Saddam’s face clearly in a high quality image, and Skornezy is right when he says that Image A should definitely ''not'' be used because of the low, grainy, quality and the fake looking smile. Just because it’s from an important time of his life, doesn’t mean it should be the image used. For example, we’re not using an image of Saddam on trial or captured by the U.S. despite both being in an important parts of his life. ] (]) 18:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
⚫	*::~~Option D~~, A, or C. ] (]) 07:58, 18 ~~November~~ ~~2024~~ (UTC)

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"Hussein's rule was a repressive dictatorship notorious for it's human rights abuses." You cite that he was a dictator but not that he was notorious for human rights abuses. While it may seem obvious (sic) to westerners it needs a solid citation. -thanks

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Replace "<br/>" immediately before the voiceclip in the infobox with "|module2 =" so that the clip is center instead of aligned to the left. 80.189.57.230 (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. Skitash (talk) 01:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Please checkout my diverted Misplaced Pages article

I ask the English Misplaced Pages editors why my article about Saddam's proclamation doesn't get published? this article exists in 4 other languages (Arabic, Persian, Hebrew and Kurdish), then why not it doesn't get published in English? the article's name is: "Three things that God should not have created: Persians, Jews and flies" please tell me the reason of "not publishing" it to know.

the link of the Arabic Misplaced Pages of this article is : https://ar.wikipedia.org/%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AB%D8%A9_%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87_%D8%A3%D9%86_%D9%84%D8%A7_%D9%8A%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%82%D9%87%D9%85:_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%B3_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B0%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8 Mamad100s (talk) 13:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I assume it's because there isn't much content to fill a Misplaced Pages article. Mention of the pamphlet could easily be inserted into the article on its author, Khairallah Talfah (whose article does in fact mention it) or in the article on Saddam. --Ismail (talk) 23:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Torturer category

Would the torturer category be appropriate here? 2600:100C:A21D:971A:3DFA:A9B2:FCD8:A60 (talk) 06:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not aware of Saddam personally torturing anyone. Ba'ath members were known to do that to political enemies but so has every Iraqi army to ever exist. Erose9210 (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

No, there is no need to add the torturer category Local Mandaean (talk) 11:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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