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== Bodhidharma == == ] ==


Hello. In the spirit of ], I am not leaving you a notice in the customary form. I still ] that in 2019, you made a number of additions to the prose of the above article. They appear to have been lifted directly from a third-party website, contrary to ]. I am certain that you had not realised the policy's requirements, but please keep them in mind in future. Should you have any questions, let me know. Best regards, ] 16:20, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, just wanting an explanation on why jumping straight to Chan on the ] page is acceptable given that you seem to have quite a understanding of history. There are two points the word and character is Chinese and not Indian so by reason denotes integration into Chinese culture, and the other is there is a complete neglect to reference the initial Chinese Buddhist's historical culture. The time foundation of south and north is still in dispute. ie hui-neng. I think that we are going to have to get mediation on this one to be fair if you and the others are going to dispute my edit on page. Thankyou ] (]) 00:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)


:{{yo|Foristslow}} why do you even question the semi-legendary status of Bodhidharma as the founder of Chan-Buddhism? ] - ] 09:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC) :{{yo|Arcticocean}} as far as I can see, I merged ] and ] to ], and did not copy info from the Hare Krishna website, unless it was my edit from 12 january 2019 08:30. But that edit added 1,521 bytes, while you removed 3,693 bytes. But correct me if I'm wrong. ] - ] 16:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::Ah! That is borne out by a few of the edit summaries too, so I'm sure that was the case indeed. Sorry for suggesting that you had copyvioed. It's been very difficult to understand the history of this article, and the genesis of the content, because so many merge, demerge, and move actions have occurred over the years. Nimbarka was moved to ], for instance, but that page now has no history due to a subsequent ]… Thanks for your response and sorry to disturb. ] 17:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Jonathan yes there is enough information to put the existence of Bodhidharma Under question due to the found qigong manuscript being discounted and called dubious by modern scholars. Buddhabhadra or Batuo for instance was attributed to being the Abbott of the temple trained in many indigenous arts that are well known to have developed in that geolocation with two of his students are mentioned in the Chinese Buddhist canon seems to back up that claim, also the historical timeline of the Shaolin temple, points to the only reason it did not get closed with the rest of the temple's as Buddhism was out of favour with the Emperor, is because of Xuanzang's the Chinese monk was kept as a foreign diplomat in cort due to his extensive knowledge of Indian Buddhism, as history shows that Taoism was now in favour.
⚫ :::{{yo|Arcticocean}} thank you! I was bothered indeed; it's not the kind of source I prefer; and if I use something like that, I use quotation-marks and clear attribution if I deem a londer chunk of text relevant for a Wiki-article. Regards, ] - ] 17:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Here is a exert from one western reference

One of the most recently invented and familiar of the Shaolin historical narratives is a story that claims that the Indian monk Bodhidharma, the supposed founder of Chinese Chan (Zen) Buddhism, introduced boxing into the monastery as a form of exercise around a.d. 525.
This story first appeared in a popular novel, The Travels of Lao T'san, published as a series in a literary magazine in 1907. This story was quickly picked up by others and spread rapidly through publication in a popular contemporary boxing manual, Secrets of Shaolin Boxing Methods, and the first Chinese physical culture history published in 1919. As a result, it has enjoyed vast oral circulation and is one of the most "sacred" of the narratives shared within Chinese and Chinese-derived martial arts. That this story is clearly a twentieth-century invention

12]Henning, Stan; Green, Tom (2001). "Folklore in the Martial Arts". In Green, Thomas A. (ed.). Martial Arts of the World: An Encyclopedia. Santa Barbara, Calif: ABC-CLIO.
So I think we have a lot to maybe talk about. And if you could answer this for me what is with everything Linking back to India for you and the others ?

:Please discuss at ], not here. ] - ] 16:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::i see that you have added more to the lead, you can't have a link that goes no where in the lead. It is just not done on wiki. I think also that you are still talking like be is a real historical person. As you are mislead so to will others. Although he is a historical comic book personality has credit. And should be highlighted at the very beginning ] (]) 19:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Joshua, not nice on the tea house that conversation was for me to get better as a editor not for cheap shots. Can you please keep it to the talk as you have suggested, I genuinely would like to get to the bottom of this as I see some big errors in historical records, maybe I am reading into it, but is unusual. Thanks ] (]) 05:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
⚫ ::::Asking page protection for a page where your edits are recognised for what they are is below standard; adding personal attacks to it even lower. You do indeed need to improve your editing skills; as they are now, they are insufficient. ] - ] 05:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::i have already asked for page protection also, please I am trying to work with you. Reflecting back to me with my words is corrosive speech and will not resolve this as you attacked me in a public forum at the tee house when I was asking for guidance to become a better editor. Can we move on, Thanks and regards ] (]) 06:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Jagadguru adi Shankaracharya cast ==

What is it about the caste of Jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya that you do not accept any scriptures before 1947 as evidence. All the Puranas of India were written before the emperor's rule and many of them have been accepted by Misplaced Pages as evidence. Then why is Alfred Edward Robert's book Vishwakarma and his decadence written in 1904 hesitant to accept as evidence. All the books written in the modern era are meant to protect the systematic interests of the writers themselves. How can these become history. Misplaced Pages should not support such distorted histories. Most of the histories of India have been honestly written by the British who ruled India. A brother with the belief that Misplaced Pages will rewrite Adi Shankar's caste. ] (]) 14:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:, 1909 ... A pamflet, not a serious scholarly, and outdated. And why would Shankara's caste be relevant anyway? ] - ] 15:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

== Map ==

Please either improve current map or add mine proposed one.@] ]] 16:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:Already done. Regards, ] - ] 16:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::@] You didn't or else I am blind ]] 16:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You're right; too many edits... ] - ] 16:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Nimbarka Sampradaya

Hello. In the spirit of WP:DTTR, I am not leaving you a notice in the customary form. I still need to say that in 2019, you made a number of additions to the prose of the above article. They appear to have been lifted directly from a third-party website, contrary to Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations. I am certain that you had not realised the policy's requirements, but please keep them in mind in future. Should you have any questions, let me know. Best regards, arcticocean ■ 16:20, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@Arcticocean: as far as I can see, I merged Nimbarka and Dvaitadvaita to Nimbarka Sampradaya, and did not copy info from the Hare Krishna website, unless it was my edit from 12 january 2019 08:30. But that edit added 1,521 bytes, while you removed 3,693 bytes. But correct me if I'm wrong. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Ah! That is borne out by a few of the edit summaries too, so I'm sure that was the case indeed. Sorry for suggesting that you had copyvioed. It's been very difficult to understand the history of this article, and the genesis of the content, because so many merge, demerge, and move actions have occurred over the years. Nimbarka was moved to Draft:Move/Nimbarkacharya, for instance, but that page now has no history due to a subsequent WP:ROUNDROBIN… Thanks for your response and sorry to disturb. arcticocean ■ 17:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
@Arcticocean: thank you! I was bothered indeed; it's not the kind of source I prefer; and if I use something like that, I use quotation-marks and clear attribution if I deem a londer chunk of text relevant for a Wiki-article. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)