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== Blocking Theposterizer == == You missed ==


For one edit? ] (]) (]) 21:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC) … the master of {{noping|Abu4real1995}}: {{noping|Joseph4real1995}}. Best, ] 13:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


: I think it's likely they were a returning user. ] (]) 22:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC) : No, I blocked the account, and then unblocked it following an unblock request. ] (]) 13:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Well, after the unblock request was accepted, they’ve gone to nominate articles that I created (possibly because I filed the SPI). I don’t think that that sort of editing is considered as good-faith editing; it is disruptive at best. Best, ] 11:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::: I have re-blocked them. ] (]) 16:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


== Assistance ==
== IP Edit Warrior at ] ==


"I am writing to request assistance regarding recent edits to the "Lovely Runner" article. editor Paper90ll has repeatedly removed information regarding ] achievment at the Asia Artist Awards. Despite these reversions, the user continued to rollback the changes and tagging me ] ]. I would appreciate guidance on how to resolve this ongoing dispute and ensure that the article accurately reflects the subject matter." ] (]) 13:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Back again with their IPv6 range: . Grateful if you could take care of that when you have a minute. Thanks. ] (]) 12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


:@] As I had reply to ] at their talk page on the same cross-posted topic. It's truly lovely to have ] and ] to start 2025. On '']'', ] that removed "{{tq|Material that fails verification be removed}}" per ] with "{{tq|WP:VERIFY, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH}}" in the edit summary however so lovely we have ] that apparently by following VERIFY, OR, SYNTH was ASPERSIONS as "{{tq|WP:BITE WP:FAITH}}"??? On the same article, the inline citation 48 nor 49 doesn't explicity stated that it's awarded for ''Lovely Runner'' either, further evidencing that my edit was aligned with Misplaced Pages's policies. On ], believed to be related to ] which our dear editor couldn't give me any acceptable neutral explanation to restore their preferred layout and also likely related to ] reverting their incorrect updates to the Infobox's count by going against the ]. In addition, rather perplexing that it was such a thing to discuss first for non-controversial edits when the edits made were per ] and didn't requires ]. Lastly, where exactly was the ASPERSIONSly the ] violations and/or "edit warring" violation on either articles??? I would pretty much like you as an administrator to give me an reasonable explanation on such behaviour otherwise this behaviour would continue by going around administrator's talk page and cross-posting the same topic. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> 🎉🎆 ] 🎆🎉 <span style="color:#f535aa">(] • ])</span>''' 13:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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::: I agree with Aoidh's . ] (]) 18:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Restore talk page access? ] (]) 16:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)


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:{{tps}} That's written by an LLM. ] (]) 16:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello, PhilKnight,


I saw that you closed this SPI case but the main sockmaster, Tuwintuwin, wasn't blocked at all. Was this an oversight? Just wondering as I've run into their editing this evening. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 08:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:: {{u|ScottishFinnishRadish}}, are you sure? According to Zerogpt it's human written. {{u|Deepfriedokra}}, I think it's good enough to restore talk page access. ] (]) 18:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:I just saw that they were indefinitely blocked but were unblocked only 3 days later! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 08:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd bet at least 10 dollars on it. The use of language is entirely different from all prior appeals, as is the use of punctuation. The layout of
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:::is written exactly as a lot of LLMs crap things out. The last sentence also uses that open ended in conclusion style that LLMs use, and the request for reconsideration bullet point sets alarm bells ringing.
:::GPTzero gives it 100%, and zerogtp gives it 2.83%. My using ChatGPT as a tool for running dungeons and dragons games gives me 90+%. ] (]) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)


== Arjayay and DH85868993 keeps reverting my edits. ==
:::: Okay, fair enough, perhaps don't restore talk page access. ] (]) 18:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Okie dokie. Thanks. ] (]) 18:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::If you don't believe it's LLM generated you can restore access and let other admins and editors review it. I've been wrong before, and I'll certainly be wrong again. In this case I'm pretty sure, pulling TPA again is cheap. ] (]) 18:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::That is absolutely LLM-generated. -- ] (]) 18:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello. First of all, I wanted to say I'm really sorry for my wrongdoings. Second, the two users keep reverting my edits for "Nurburgring". I put the correct info for the Nordscheliefe section, but the two keep reverting it. Click this link and you will see that my info is correct: Anyway, please stop them from putting wrong data. Thank you, and again, I'm sorry. ] (]) 17:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The unblock request in question shows clear signs of human authorship due to its nuanced understanding of the context and the careful application of discretion. Unlike a Language Learning Model (LLM), which generates responses based on patterns and rules, a human writer often incorporates domain-specific expertise, subjective reasoning, and a personalized tone. These qualities are difficult to replicate convincingly in LLM-generated content.


: You should use the talk page - ] - to establish ], and not ]. ] (]) 18:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::*'''Structured Justification'''
::Okay. Thank you. And again, I'm sorry. ] (]) 18:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Hello!!! ==
::::::::The unblock request provides a structured argument that goes beyond simple logic or direct response generation. For example, it might anticipate objections, incorporate external factors such as organizational policies, or make references to specific scenarios. This layered reasoning suggests deliberate thought and an understanding of elements that an LLM would not infer without direct user input.


I was wondering how to archive stuff? And can you also mentor me as en wiki is different from simple en wiki? ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 08:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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: Hi Cactusisme, you seem to have figured out how to archive stuff based on your user talk page. I don't mentor users, I suggest you find someone at ]. ] (]) 11:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::LLM outputs often follow predictable patterns or templates, particularly when handling requests like unblocking. A unique writing style, use of idiomatic expressions, or context-aware references in the unblock request points to human creativity rather than automated response generation. The presence of these elements demonstrates an understanding of subtleties that are beyond the capacity of an LLM without being explicitly prompted.
::Alright, thanks!! ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 11:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::How about the bot? ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 11:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::: Sorry, I don't understand the question "How about the bot?" ] (]) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@] Archiving bot ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::: I have never used an archiving bot, so I am not the right person to ask. ] (]) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Anyone you know who uses it? ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 11:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: Looking at ] {{u|Rosguill}} uses archivebot and is currently accepting adoptees. You could try them. ] (]) 12:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::ok ] <sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 12:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


==Edit warring on ]==
::::::::These points indicate the unblock request's origin as human-generated, driven by expertise and adaptive reasoning. ] (]) 19:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC){{sup|{{small|(and totally not an LLM)}}}}
] who you recently blocked continues to engage in edit warring on other articles, particularly on ] where he is persistently disrupting ]'s contributions. He is also being hostile on the ], which shows that he is ''']'''. Surely this warrants a stricter block? ] (]) 00:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::youre killing me ] (]) 19:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::An LLM cannot kill, even figuratively, because it has no physical presence, intent, or consciousness—it is a passive tool designed to process and generate text. Any harm attributed to an LLM comes from human misuse or interpretation, not from its own actions. The response provided here demonstrates nuanced reasoning and an intentional tone that clearly reflect human authorship, as an LLM would not self-reference or engage in this type of verification. By its nature, an LLM lacks the capacity for independent decision-making, let alone causing harm, and this explanation was crafted without relying on an automated system. ] (]) 19:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::When the LLMs get just a little better we're going to buried under such an incredible deluge of bullshit. ] (]) 19:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::My semi-professional opinion is that unless someone comes out with another bombshell like ], they're not headed to get ''much'' better, unless highly specialized. Not looking forward to the ANI thread about the first guy who spins up a solid ] or ] article generator. -- ] (]) 20:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)


:I know of at least one ] (obsessed with me and certain articles, such as ] and ]) who is from the same geolocation as you. For the rest, the article's talk page speaks for itself. ] (]) 00:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
== Block evasion ==
:Looking further in the socking, it looks like ] and ] could well be one and the same. ] (]) 00:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


:: I don't see evidence of serious edit warring. The sock puppet investigations will be actioned by other admins. ] (]) 05:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Greetings, Phil,
:::Since the IP is hiding behind a proxy (blocked by Bbb23), then they could be any of my usual stalkers (hard to tell from a single comment). ] (]) 12:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to draw your attention towards one of the LTAs, ], aka ], who has been here to promote his spam blog for years, ]. ] was blocked by Rosguill as the sock of ], who is the only founder of The Chenab Times and a long-term spammer. It seems they are again with another ] account {{No ping|ParineetiShah}} to have their website's Misplaced Pages article. In March 2024, {{u|Courcelles}} blocked the new account ] for the same purpose and salted the page (autoconfirmed) based on the discussions and . I believe this time they are back with the autoconfirmed ] account and a different strategy to have their blog's Misplaced Pages article. I think it needs a tougher salting this time to prevent this long-term abuse. A quick look at the history of the previous version of the deleted draft will be helpful here. I will request you to kindly look into this case. Regards, ] (]) 20:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)


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::@] Thanks Phil I will do that. ] (]) 09:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)


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== Help to block sockpupperty ==
:: Yes, I made a mistake and undid it moments later. In my defense, you could have left an edit summary on edit and the mistake wouldn't have happened. ] (]) 20:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)


Hi admin can you remove ] this account was an sockpuppet of ] ] (]) 04:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
== Harry the house ==


Thanks for blocking ]. ]. ] (]) 17:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC) :At least I'm not vandalism like you ] (]) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::vandals? Even you are still used your bias results,vandals Majapahit-Sundanese conflict,even the Sack of Singapore? ] (]) 05:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::when? ] (]) 05:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::25 December 2024 why you still forget about it huh? ] (]) 05:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't mind if you gonna tried many bias results in many article about Konfrontasi and tried to make many battles in Malay-Portuguese conflict ] (]) 05:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::and? ] (]) 05:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::bro tried to be ligma, now even you still want to make many battles but still get removed by the administration now ] (]) 05:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::who ligma? ] (]) 05:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:That's the old account, why should it be leveraged again? And again, what's wrong with the account now, what's the point? ] (]) 05:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::I don't care if you still tried to conviced many wikipedian admin about those edits it was your old account,and those admin still tried to block you, even your block still not expired if those admins was blocked you ] (]) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I created a new account ] (]) 05:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::well goodbye if those admin still wanted to block your account they will searched your account even your new account to blocked it ] (]) 05:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::and those block was not have the expired date if you still tried to make many account ] (]) 05:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::why do you have to be busy managing my account? ] (]) 05:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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… the master of Abu4real1995: Joseph4real1995. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, I blocked the account, and then unblocked it following an unblock request. PhilKnight (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, after the unblock request was accepted, they’ve gone to nominate articles that I created (possibly because I filed the SPI). I don’t think that that sort of editing is considered as good-faith editing; it is disruptive at best. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 11:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I have re-blocked them. PhilKnight (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Assistance

"I am writing to request assistance regarding recent edits to the "Lovely Runner" article. editor Paper90ll has repeatedly removed information regarding Lovely Runner achievment at the Asia Artist Awards. Despite these reversions, the user continued to rollback the changes and tagging me Ultraviolet Rollback. I would appreciate guidance on how to resolve this ongoing dispute and ensure that the article accurately reflects the subject matter." Puchicatos (talk) 13:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@PhilKnight As I had reply to Aoidh at their talk page on the same cross-posted topic. It's truly lovely to have WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:PERSONALATTACKS to start 2025. On Lovely Runner, my edit that removed "Material that fails verification be removed" per WP:VERIFY with "WP:VERIFY, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH" in the edit summary however so lovely we have this edit by our dear editor that apparently by following VERIFY, OR, SYNTH was ASPERSIONS as "WP:BITE WP:FAITH"??? On the same article, the inline citation 48 nor 49 doesn't explicity stated that it's awarded for Lovely Runner either, further evidencing that my edit was aligned with Misplaced Pages's policies. On List of awards and nominations received by Byeon Woo-seok, believed to be related to this discussion which our dear editor couldn't give me any acceptable neutral explanation to restore their preferred layout and also likely related to this edit reverting their incorrect updates to the Infobox's count by going against the documentation. In addition, rather perplexing that it was such a thing to discuss first for non-controversial edits when the edits made were per WP:BOLD and didn't requires WP:CONSENSUS. Lastly, where exactly was the ASPERSIONSly the WP:3RR violations and/or "edit warring" violation on either articles??? I would pretty much like you as an administrator to give me an reasonable explanation on such behaviour otherwise this behaviour would continue by going around administrator's talk page and cross-posting the same topic. — 🎉🎆 Paper9oll 🎆🎉 (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I agree with Aoidh's comments. PhilKnight (talk) 18:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Tuwintuwin/Archive

Hello, PhilKnight,

I saw that you closed this SPI case but the main sockmaster, Tuwintuwin, wasn't blocked at all. Was this an oversight? Just wondering as I've run into their editing this evening. Liz 08:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I just saw that they were indefinitely blocked but were unblocked only 3 days later! Liz 08:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Arjayay and DH85868993 keeps reverting my edits.

Hello. First of all, I wanted to say I'm really sorry for my wrongdoings. Second, the two users keep reverting my edits for "Nurburgring". I put the correct info for the Nordscheliefe section, but the two keep reverting it. Click this link and you will see that my info is correct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsLi7HgSuhI Anyway, please stop them from putting wrong data. Thank you, and again, I'm sorry. 2603:8000:99F0:93A0:9932:FB79:1D30:444B (talk) 17:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

You should use the talk page - Talk:Nürburgring - to establish consensus, and not edit war. PhilKnight (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you. And again, I'm sorry. 2603:8000:99F0:93A0:9932:FB79:1D30:444B (talk) 18:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello!!!

I was wondering how to archive stuff? And can you also mentor me as en wiki is different from simple en wiki? Cactus🌵 08:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Cactusisme, you seem to have figured out how to archive stuff based on your user talk page. I don't mentor users, I suggest you find someone at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters. PhilKnight (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright, thanks!! Cactus🌵 11:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
How about the bot? Cactus🌵 11:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't understand the question "How about the bot?" PhilKnight (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@PhilKnight Archiving bot Cactus🌵 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I have never used an archiving bot, so I am not the right person to ask. PhilKnight (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Anyone you know who uses it? Cactus🌵 11:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters Rosguill uses archivebot and is currently accepting adoptees. You could try them. PhilKnight (talk) 12:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
ok Cactus🌵 12:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit warring on Battle of Sidi Brahim

M.Bitton who you recently blocked continues to engage in edit warring on other articles, particularly on Battle of Sidi Brahim where he is persistently disrupting Robinvp11's contributions. He is also being hostile on the talk page, which shows that he is treating editing as a battleground. Surely this warrants a stricter block? 185.165.190.128 (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I know of at least one highly disruptive sock (obsessed with me and certain articles, such as Dominican Restoration War and Dominican War of Independence) who is from the same geolocation as you. For the rest, the article's talk page speaks for itself. M.Bitton (talk) 00:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking further in the socking, it looks like Norprobr and Phạm Văn Rạng could well be one and the same. M.Bitton (talk) 00:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't see evidence of serious edit warring. The sock puppet investigations will be actioned by other admins. PhilKnight (talk) 05:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Since the IP is hiding behind a proxy (blocked by Bbb23), then they could be any of my usual stalkers (hard to tell from a single comment). M.Bitton (talk) 12:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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Happy New Year!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 02:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Help to block sockpupperty

Hi admin can you remove User:Kibbutz1967 this account was an sockpuppet of User:Mesbmr6710 Stratospheric78 (talk) 04:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

At least I'm not vandalism like you Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
vandals? Even you are still used your bias results,vandals Majapahit-Sundanese conflict,even the Sack of Singapore? Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
when? Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
25 December 2024 why you still forget about it huh? Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't mind if you gonna tried many bias results in many article about Konfrontasi and tried to make many battles in Malay-Portuguese conflict Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
and? Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
bro tried to be ligma, now even you still want to make many battles but still get removed by the administration now Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
who ligma? Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
That's the old account, why should it be leveraged again? And again, what's wrong with the account now, what's the point? Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't care if you still tried to conviced many wikipedian admin about those edits it was your old account,and those admin still tried to block you, even your block still not expired if those admins was blocked you Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I created a new account Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
well goodbye if those admin still wanted to block your account they will searched your account even your new account to blocked it Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
and those block was not have the expired date if you still tried to make many account Stratospheric78 (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
why do you have to be busy managing my account? Kibbutz1967 (talk) 05:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)