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	== Cyprus military ranks ==		== template ==
			Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? ] (]) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.
			:look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... ] (]) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	=== NCO and other ranks ===
			::Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
	NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.<ref>{{Cite web |last=tanea.gr |date=2004-10-11 |title=Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες» |url=https://www.tanea.gr/2004/10/11/greece/allazoyn-to-ethnosimo-kai-oi-sardeles/ |access-date=2024-06-10 |website=ΤΑ ΝΕΑ |language=el}}</ref>
			::More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from ] to ] ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use <nowiki>{{infobox musical artist}}</nowiki> and fill out the template using it's template page at ]. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
	{{Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armies/OR/Blank}}
			:Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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	== Highly disappointed to see the article on ] going through bias. ==		== how can I rigth a article in wikipedia ==
			how can I rigth ] (]) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I recently went through the current version of the Misplaced Pages article on ''']''' , and I found that this article is NOT representing the reality or encyclopedic wholeness. The huge, verbose, highly technical article is biased towards ], medical genetics, and nearly zero information regarding the anthropology, evolution, ], ], ], ], and all that actually helps wellbeing of Autistic people. The page boldly focuses on controversial methods such as ], such as EIBI (Early intensive behavioral interventions), DTT (discrete trial training) etc. without any mention of the concerns or criticisms against them. I entered the ], but it has been turned literally into a warzone, where any dissenting viewpoint is being silenced in name of '''''"global and unanimous scientific consensus"''''' which is simply wrong. It is mostly a view held by biomedical and pharmaceutical majority. But outside of that, opposing viewpoints do exist in actual Autistic populations (who have the ]), anthropology, sociology, psychology, etc. I an ''"unbalanced"'' tag for reader information (I did not speak for complete erasure of controversial viewpoints, just needed the reader to know that there are other views), however the "''unbalanced''" tag was soon .
			:]
	It is not possible for me to daily attend and post arguments and counter-arguments. I have to acknowledge that, if this kind of silencing continues, this time Misplaced Pages literally failed as an encyclopedia, as well it failed at public health and education welfare perspective.
			:] (]) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. ] (]) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:See ]. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. ] (]) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Find a Grave = WP:RS ? ==
	I feel like this needs editors' attention. Autism is NOT a well-understood condition by majority, Lived experience play the ultimate role on how a person feel about their life situation, and ] is an important ethics rule in disability cultures.
			Is ] = ] ?
	] (]) 05:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
			] (]) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Myself and many other autistic editors have attempted to improve the article before and met the same difficulties. I agree that it is painful to read, and your concerns are very valid. I began to write a satirical alliance article to help showcase the issues in the autism article and show how medical language can create negative bias in my ].
			:{{welcometea}} Please consult ]. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Because of the difficulty I faced with the autism article, I have moved to focusing on smaller articles related to autism such as ] and ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
			:The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the ] section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on ] today, so that's why I chose that example.. ] (]) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I really appreciate your work around this, and share your frustration with the central ] article. It's not really okay that people are being persistently driven away from working on that entry by people stubbornly axe-grinding... ] (]) 08:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	::That satirical Allism article in your sandbox is gold. ] (]) 16:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do! ==
	: {{u|RIT RAJARSHI}}, Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project. If you feel the article is lacking, then you have the ability to improve it by adding material on anthropology, evolution, neurodiversity, accommodation, accessibility and the other things you mentioned. Just be sure to add ] as you go to ] that reflect the ] on the subtopics you are writing about, and respond to any disagreements by other editors by working it out on the Talk page to find a ] that works. Please understand that basing the article on published sources is not negotiable, and while your first-person accounts might be helpful on the Talk page as deep background, they cannot be used in the article, unless your views have been written up and published by an ]. If you have some sources on the anthropology of autism, for example, you can just ] and add content to the article based on them. This might help:
	:: {{find sources|anthropology of autism}}
	: If you haven't had success using that approach in the past, then just list some sources here that you think could be used to expand the article in ways you would find productive, and maybe someone else will pick up the baton, and carry on. Hope this helps, ] (]) 09:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
			I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, ]), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found ], but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use <code>Special:NewcomerTasksInfo</code>"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? ] (]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::{{reply to|user:Notcharizard}} {{reply to|user:Mathglot}} Thank you so much for your views. I am thinking if I should create another article on Autism from other perspectives, as the current page is very strictly monitored, and has already structured in certain way that I feel difficult to change by some small edits. PS. I have TONs of references, although mostly from a social science perspective. I want to write their summaries which can be used by other users to improve the articles. I will be taking lot of time as I am extremely busy in my personal and professional life. ] (]) 10:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Hello @]
	:::::It's not possible to create an already existing articles but like it was suggested , feel free to make changes where you feel there is need for one. If the article is protected that you can't edit ,you can make some of these suggestions on the talk page ] (]) 10:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::{{reply to|user:Notcharizard}} {{reply to|user:Mathglot}} {{reply to|User:Tesleemah}} I have access to edit button on that article but I am afraid somebody will erase my edits or may revert them. The article is already verbose. My time is precious. Is there a way I can state my article reviews that won't be erased by somebody? Can I store writings in sandbox for infinite period? Is the sandbox public access? And it looks even if I add non-conforming views to the main article, they might not allow to express those views. The talk page is warzone and they removed my "unbalanced" tag ] (]) 10:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::How about you add the things you want to change in your sandbox and share with an experienced editor who can review if its ok to merge with the main article. Because ,in all this you have to be sure you are adding neutral and verifiable information. Afterward you can reach out to any editor edit warring with you.
	::::::::::I feel this is a little bit complex and you need to weigh if it all worth your time . I will leave this to other editors to give you better advise going forward. ] (]) 10:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::::@] Thank you for your kind insights. ] (]) 11:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::::@] Are there experienced editors who want to look after the matter? ] (]) 11:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::::how do I collaborate with them? ] (]) 11:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::{{ping|RIT RAJARSHI}} Just for reference, your comment {{tq|I have access to edit button on that article but I am afraid somebody will erase my edits or may revert them.}} could happen on any Misplaced Pages article regardless of the subject matter. Misplaced Pages's wants us to be ] when improving articles, but it also wants us to understand that others can be just as bold in undoing the edits we make. When that happens, the best thing to do (absent any type of serous policy violation) is to follow ] and try to resolve any disagreements over article content through article talk page discussion. Before being bold, though, you probably want to take a close look at ] and ] because medicine related articles tend to be more highly scrutinized than perhaps articles about some others subjects are. You might also want to take a look at ] and ] for general reference. If being bold is not your style, you could be ] and seek feedback from the various WikiProjects listed at the top of ] and also check the article's talk page archives to see whether your concerns have been raised before by someone else. -- ] (]) 11:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::@] Thank you for the useful resources and concerns. ] (]) 11:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::@] Similar concerns were raised, and at present such difficult conversation is going on in the article's talk page. ] (]) 11:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::For the record, there have been a whole stream of editors (mostly autistic ones, I think) who got burned out on editing autism-related articles directly (especially the main one) because of intransigent opposition and reversions from people who are obviously very attached to a particular way of seeing autism. ] (]) 08:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@] There is actually a research paper that shows us that neurotypicality can also be framed as a disease. Brownlow, C. (2010). Re-presenting autism: The construction of ‘NT syndrome’. Journal of Medical Humanities, 31(3), 243-255. doi: 10.1007/s10912-010-9114-4   https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10912-010-9114-4 ] (]) 10:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	* The fundamental problem is that autism is a vast subject and the "world view" of autism is undergoing rapid change. Viewpoints from five years ago already look unprofessional and outdated today. In fact there isn't really a "world" view because the state of autism-understanding varies hugely between countries. As a result, written sources about autism range from well-thought, up-to-date, caring and balanced, to utterly outmoded and inappropriate, verging on discriminatory and offensive. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia whose role is to give a balanced overview of all current thinking, even if some of the current thinkers are Utterly Wrong. We are not here to promote best practice or best understanding. We're here to describe the current situation (and the history that led up to it), even if the current situation isn't right, and even if the history is in places despicable. As someone personally affected by autism in loved-ones, I cannot bring myself to edit on the subject at Misplaced Pages, because it is fundamentally too hurtful to me. I have to trust that the situation will improve, sources will improve, and other, tougher editors will edit the autism articles to reflect the improved situation, as it improves. I'm sure I'm not alone in my feelings. ] (]) 11:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	*:::@] Thanks; I would be happy if the editors accept the vastness or broadness of this topic than to force a reductionist strictly biomedical approach. Because the more subjective or philosophical journal resources will not qualify as "hard science", but still have lot of humanitarian values. ] (]) 12:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	*:@] You may think the situation in this way. Everyone is using video calls using a smartphone, and you are using a walkie talkie. Now yes you do face communication barrier, but more information on how a video display works, would not help you to translate the images into alt text.
	*:Similarly, more and more information on brain circuitry or genes does not help dissolve the barrier.
	*:But learning about lived social experiences do help.
	*:Another example; think you are a trained classical musician who can detect microtonal differences instantly. Now you have been thrown into a factory where people breaking down metal sheets with hammer and you feel like damn blown. Now everyone points out at you as the problematic one. Or think you are a more sensitive clinical mercury thermometer and other people are thermometers used in a water bath or hot air oven. And you are pointed as the 'defective' one.
	*:It takes 2 to make a communication. We spend hours to teach neurotypical communication to Autistics. Why not spend that time teaching the neurotypical society about Autistic communication? ] (]) 12:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	*::It's not our job to teach people what to do, it is our job to teach what other people have already said. <span style="font-family: times new roman;">] ]</span> 15:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	*:::@] Thank you. I leave the matter. ] (]) 15:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello @]. ], you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the ] and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol ] and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@], though I have no connection to autism, edit warring like what's apparently going on in editing this one has long been distressing for me — to see in a group with such an important mission as Misplaced Pages as well as to be aware that I too may face something similar if I join in editing an article already struck by a few edit skirmishes.
			::@]
	:So I have a question for senior editors who might be circling this article:
			::*You should find display user homepage at the bottom of ], "User profile" tab.
	:In an editing situation that seems to have reached an impasse like autism, does Misplaced Pages ever provide an impartial arbiter, even one unfamiliar with the topic, to step in to help? Not to make a final judgment about what should be done with the article but just to get the two sides to put down their weapons, discuss constructively, and move forward toward consensus on what to say in the article about what they couldn't agree on previously?
			::*If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be ].
	:There's a process increasingly used in conflict resolution, ranging from corporate organizational teams to rival gangs, that could also help with this war-scarred autism article. It involves ensuring that those on each side really hear — really pay attention to — the other side's thinking and concerns. It goes something similar to what I'm writing below. These are only the main steps, not the mechanics:
			::*Have you found ] and ]? ] (]) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	: — Each side listens to or reads a statement of what the other side wants to put in the article ''and'' supporting reasons.
			:::Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. ] (]) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	: — Each side repeats back its understanding of the other side's statement and the supporting reasons.
			::::The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- ] (]) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	: — Each side raises questions and concerns for the other side to address about the validity of its statement and supporting reasons.
			:@], do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to ]). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- ] (]) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	: — Each side answers these questions and concerns for the other side.
			::Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). ] (]) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	: — The two sides work toward a statement they can both live with.
			:::I'm a fan of ] as a newbie task - not ''small'', exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to ]. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- ] (]) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	: — When it's ready, they press the Publish button. ] (]) 07:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:: ], what you describe, falls most generally under the rubric of ], of which there are multiple methods. But to answer your top question about whether some arbiter ever steps in to decide things, the simple answer is "No"; and in particular, admins do not do that. (Admins might block editors who cross some behavioral line during a dispute, but they will not decide who is "right".) Your last set of bullet points is very similar to something we do at ], but that is limited to when there are only two editors. (Or perhaps, two groups evenly divided among exactly two opinions, I'm not entirely sure.) ] can tell you more about that, but the short answer on that one is, there are already more than two people/opinions, so it is out of bounds here. Finally, there are some formal DR methods for multiple views/editors, of which the ] process is the prime one. You can read about that at the link. At the end, there is an uninvolved, unbiased "]", who however does not give any opinions of their own or attempt to arbitrate on the merits of the case; what the closer does, is to attempt to assess the weight of the arguments given by the various editors who have chimed in, weighing them against their ability to connect their views and conclusions with the stated ] of Misplaced Pages. Thus, it is not a vote tally, but an argument assessment. The closer judges the prevailing or predominant argument and renders an evaluation, not an arbitration of case merits. If there is no prevailing argument or it is evenly matched, the closer may render a NO CONSENSUS evaluation. The Rfc generally runs for 30 days. ] (]) 08:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for this! It's a bit frustrating to me that Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution mechanisms seem as opaque and convoluted as they do, but I understand that they've come out of years of volunteer labour and discussions of objectively difficult questions!
	:::In the worst discussions I've had, what I've mostly wanted is someone who understands ''enough'' about the topics involved, but who probably isn't particularly invested, to step in and say something like 'your references do not show what you are claiming they show. You need to stand down.' ] (]) 08:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::@], the RFC process you mentioned] is indeed similar to what I was suggesting. Similar also in who would lead the process: \ '''not''' a judge but someone able to help a group move from a seeming impasse to something both sides can live with, or hopefully even celebrate.
	:::My hope for this article is that the outcome of this situation goes down in the annals of Misplaced Pages as a wonderful example of how an edit war turned into an edit success. ] (]) 09:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I am not entirely sure what I am being asked, but the usual process that I use at ] is similar to what Augnablik recommends. I start by reminding the editors that the purpose of dispute resolution is to improve the article, and I ask each editor to state what parts of the article they want to change that another editor wants to leave the same, or what they want to leave the same that another editor wants to change. Then sometimes I ask them to comment on the other editor's objectives. A precondition to moderated discussion at ] is extensive inconclusive discussion at the article talk page. I see that there has been extensive inconclusive discussion at ], and there has also been edit-warring. At ], the editors are asked to agree to a set of rules which include a rule not to edit the article in question while moderated discussion is in progress. Does that answer the questions that may have been being asked? It appears that ] may be ready for moderated discussion, but only if most of the involved editors agree to participate. ] (]) 15:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I wish whoever might step in to help the two sides work things out would try this time adding in the components of having to listen carefully to each other’s statements and rationales, stating them back so it’s clear they were heard correctly, further questioning each other, etc.
	::Why? Because I’m impressed by what I keep reading in the top news media about how this strategy has worked in conflict resolution even with rival gangs. I think it has something to do with humanizing “those idiots” and other objectifications. ] (]) 03:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::It's an interesting thought! I've certainly seen the strategy of restating your understanding of someone's position being useful in a general sense; people like to feel heard! And it can be a great opportunity to correct misunderstandings.
	:::Speaking for myself, a huge part of my frustration in that particular series of exchanges had certainly been the feeling that I have been ''totally'' misunderstood when I thought I was stating my position quite clearly. When I'm feeling more charitable, I can just about believe that that might have been the root cause of what I experienced as gross misrepresentations... ] (]) 18:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Exactly, @]. If people on two sides feel heard — even if not in agreement with - there’s hope for at least some degree of positive outcome that both can live with.
	::::Without feeling heard, resentment, anger, and outright warfare is the obvious outcome. And with wars between wordsmiths, take cover in trenches! ] (]) 01:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Different images for Light/Dark mode ==
	== Userpage question ==
			Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. ] (]) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I know I've already asked about ] before but I've done a lot of work on it since then. Does my userpage go a bit overboard, especially with the inline links? I joined the welcoming committee and I am expecting at least a few new users to come to my userpage from my signature on my welcome messages so I tried to leave a lot of inline links for them to click on and get a feel for the scope of the encyclopedia. ] | ] | ] 15:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@] Compared to ] (takes awhile to load, and I don't recommend it as a role model), or myself, for that matter, I find your page quite respectable. ] (]) 15:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::I feel I do the most good by being a warning lesson parents can point out to their children. ]] 15:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::<small>if i learned one thing from you, it's that puns are the scourge of all things good</small> '''] <sub>] ]</sub>''' 16:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::No, no, they've got a point. The reason we exist on this world is to get as many rules added to the book as possible. No one ever told me I ''couldn't'' add an inline link containing some sarcastic joke for every single word on my userpage, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I did so why don't we make it official? ] | ] | ] 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::oh my that isn't a userpage that's a whole-ass user''book.'' I guess mine is better than I thought ] | ] | ] 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::406,519 bytes, that's a lot. ] (]) 15:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::To put it into context, the largest article on Misplaced Pages has ]. ]'']'' 15:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Wow, we have an article that's almost an entire gigabyte? Does it just have a lot of text or are images, GIFs, code spaghetti, and videos taking up some of that space? ] | ] | ] 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::@] That's not a ], only just below a ]. The whole encycopedia can be downloaded at about 24 GB. See ]. ] (]) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::oh yeah sorry I forgot the ratios. I'm surprised Misplaced Pages is only 24 gigs, I thought 6 million articles would be closer to a terabyte ] | ] | ] 16:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::{{tq|As of February 2013, the XML file containing current pages only, no user or talk pages, was 42,987,293,445 bytes uncompressed (43 GB). The XML file with current pages, including user and talk pages, was 93,754,003,797 bytes uncompressed (94 GB). The full history dumps, all 174 files of them, took 10,005,676,791,734 bytes (10 TB).}}
	::::::::{{tq|As of August 2023, Wikimedia Commons, which includes the images, videos and other media used across all the language-specific Wikipedias contained 96,519,778 files, totalling 470,991,810,222,099 bytes (428.36 TB).}} ]'']'' 16:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::Text is very small, especially ] characters in ] (the majority of characters used on the English Misplaced Pages), which are one byte each. – ]<small><sup>&nbsp;]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>she</sup><sub>her</sub></small> 19:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Interesting, per that article has 2 words. And 1,541 unique references. ] (]) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Looks great, especially the storm chaser part. :) ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	::what can I say, I just have zero sense of ] and I want to see the ] up close :D ] | ] | ] 15:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== How to edit at Periyar ? ==
			:@], you can use {{tl|dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See ] and ]; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. ] (]) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Wider vs specific consensus ==
	I have registered and opened my account but I cannot correct the article on Periyar. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:If for some reason you can't edit the article ], ], you can still suggest an edit to it at the foot of ]. (Be sure to make the suggestion as precise as possible.) -- ] (]) 05:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks. How much time will it then take to get incorporated into the article ? BTW, there is a viewbox with view source code, what am I supposed to do with that ? I know HTML code and markups but this is something else. ] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added 05:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::What you're asked to edit, ], is "]". It's not ], but it could be called a markdown language. Anyway, it's a markup language, which means that it's very easy (though tables remain somewhat fiddly). In regular body text, a line break does nothing; two consecutive line breaks start a new paragraph. Regular ("ASCII") apostrophes are used for italics and bold; <code><nowiki><blockquote></nowiki></code> starts an indented block and <code><nowiki></blockquote></nowiki></code> ends it. You sign by hitting tilde four times in a row. Help files, which are easy to find, tell you more, but there's not much more to tell. -- ] (]) 06:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Is it possible to use HTML codes alongside MediaWiki markup for better formatting and readability ? What are the usable HTML codes ? Is there any FAQ for the MediaWiki markup language ? ] (]) 06:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::As far as I'm aware, I don't think HTML applies much here. My only suggestion is to familiarize yourself with the source (known as wikitext) and start editing. You can read about it at ], which is very helpful in explaining the fundamentals of it. Be sure to familiarize yourself with ] (or ]), and Misplaced Pages's ]. Good luck, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 07:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
			Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ] ] 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::], start with the "]". Since you're accustomed to markup languages, skip the "visual editor" and instead edit the source. If the instructions seem too laboured, skip them and go straight to the "]". The acceptable (or at least tolerated) use of HTML is explained in "]": I'm pretty fluent in HTML ("strict", too: 4; less so for 5), but rarely need or want to use HTML here. The time you'd spend working out what you can and can't do here with the HTML you already understand would be far better spent accustomizing yourself to MediaWiki ("wikitext"). It's simple, really. -- ] (]) 08:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::: Thanks ] and ]. Much appreciated. ] (]) 09:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::: Don't go away, ]! Please revisit "]", above. As you're pretty new here, "AfD" may seem daunting. But it isn't. If you decide to nominate the article, do so citing one (or more) of the ]. Avoid adding your own commentary (let alone sarcasm, etc). Be concise. If subsequent "keep" comments make fairly clear errors of fact (e.g. claiming that a particular reference states such-and-such whereas in reality it does not), then feel free to argue back, coolly; but if you object to a comment for some other reason, better keep silent. -- ] (]) 00:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::Thanks for the advice. I have been observing how other editors are going about things, and I am bit more confident now about policies and strategies to contribute usefully. ] (]) 04:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Earlier this year, using my IP, I suggested a split. What do I do now? ==
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of ]).
			:I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ] (]) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening ]. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages? ==
	Hello! this march, I found the page on ] and was shocked to find that the christianity section is literally the length of an entire article while everything else was brief. I made the Topic on the talk page () suggesting it be split into its own article whilst being trimmed down heavily on the general religious page. nobody has responded to the request yet and Im not sure what to do. Ive been told by a helpful user that its generally bad practice to respond to old talk pages + it seems disengenious to just respond to it pinging people 9 months later, I think itd come off as me trying to boss people into responding to me now that I have an account. ] (]) 22:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Thank you for the question, ]. Off the top of my head, I would probably recommend going to the article's respective ] and ask if anyone interested would want to contribute. You can also ask prominent contributors to the article or people who you know are knowledgeable on the topic. ] (]) 04:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you for your helpful response! That's make sense and I'll do that from now on. Also, another deep thank you to @] from the bottom of my heart for being bold and splitting the article. I didn't expect this to happen when I asked this question so thanks! ] (]) 19:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I followed the ] procedure: I ''boldly'' proceeded with the ]. If anyone here, at the WikiProjects, or elsewhere have objections, they can ''revert'' the split, open a split ''discussion'', wait a week, and ask at ] for someone to determine consensus. ] (] '''·''' ]) 04:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the ]. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (], ]), so it must be possible.
	== Request a Block ==
			Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — ] (]) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I wrote this when I was fighting vandalism, but even though a moderator has resolved it, I need to know for the next time this happens... how do I request a block on a user? Basically, when the person has vandalized like 5 times and won't stop, how am I supposed to alert a moderator to block them? Should I ping a mod? Should I just wait for a mod to come across the profile? Help! ] <sub>] ]</sub> 13:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Vandalism may be reported to ]. ] (]) 13:41, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			::@] That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at ]. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) ] (]) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::], great, thank you. Funny thing... you were the one who blocked the user I initially wrote this for! Thanks for your help. ] <sub>] ]</sub> 13:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Even if you're uploading "locally", ] is likely helpful. All the projects use the same ] software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --] (]) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::@] You're also well within the requirements for ], you can warn people and report them if necessary far quicker using it. Well worth picking up if you plan to continue dealing with vandals. ]'']'' 15:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::], I appreciate it, but I do use Twinkle. I was sending several vandalism warnings and they wouldn't stop. However, how do I report a user with Twinkle? I only know how to work the Welc and Warn sections really... what section is the report one in? ] <sub>] ]</sub> 15:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::@] Oh whoops, hadn't seen this message so sorry for the late reply, you click on ARV in the Twinkle drop down. In that section you can choose which board you want to post the report to, sockpuppets/sockpuppeteers, AIV, edit warring and usernames. ]'']'' 16:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{U|Ali Beary}}, Misplaced Pages has nobody designated a "moderator". Do you perhaps mean "administrator"? There's no policing of the English language (so you're free to call administrators "moderators" or indeed "knights who say 'ni'" if you wish), but calling administrators "moderators" suggests that they have a role that they don't have, and perhaps adds to confusion about them. -- ] (]) 23:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::{{U|Hoary}} uh... 'moderator' is basically just another term for 'administrator'. Also, I'm on Discord a lot, so they use 'moderator' more there. Sorry I say stuff differently... I guess... but it didn't seem to confuse anyone else to replied to this thread..? ] <sub>] ]</sub> 12:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::: ], There is no 'moderator' here. Discord is one thing, and Misplaced Pages is another. What you are used to calling a 'moderator' is called an 'administrator' here. At Twitch and YouTube, a moderator is a very limited type of thing for live streams mostly. On FB and Reddit, they are assigned to specific groups or conversations, Twitter and Instagram don't have a role like that called a moderator (although Twitter has paid content moderators but that's something else). The role you are used to thinking of as a 'moderator' on Discord is called an 'administrator' here; you might as well get used to it. You can find more terms at the ]. ] (]) 07:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Please let me talk in my own way, ]. ] (]) 13:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling ==
	== Draft: May-Li Khoe ==
			Hi there! I was editing my and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? ] (]) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I’m currently working on this page, ], as part of a project for my Digital Technology course at LIUC University, and it will be evaluated. The page needs to be approved by December 28, ideally with a very high B rating. I was wondering if you could offer some advice on how to further improve the article to increase its chances of receiving a high rating. If you have any suggestions on refining it or if you could assist with the approval process, I would be very grateful. Thanks again for your assistance! ] (]) 20:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I don't know what advice to give you (unless another editor does give) since your draft is already pretty good. However, this is what you should keep in mind. Drafts will be reviewed by AFC reviewers in a random order. That means that your draft may not be accepted before December 28. But hopefully, for you, it does. That's all I can say to you. Hope it helps. ] (]|]) 20:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hi @],
	::Thank you so much for your helpful advice and for taking the time to review my draft. I appreciate the insight about the review process and will keep in mind that the timing can vary. Hopefully, it will be reviewed sooner rather than later!
	::Thanks again for your support. It really helps to have this perspective as I move forward.
	::Best regards ] (]) 08:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::You're welcome. If you have further questions to ask, feel free to ask me or the editors at the Teahouse. ] (]|]) 14:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing I will say is that making academic depdend on getting an article accepted at Misplaced Pages is a thoroughly bad idea, because you have no control over how long it will take to be reviewed: drafts are not reviewed in any particular order, but just as the volunteer reviewers choose to get to them. Whoever set this as part of your coursework should take a careful look at ]
	:I am not a reviewer; but looking at your draft, in my opinon, there are far too many sources which are either not ] (eg linkedin, sprout.place), not independent (eg MIT, all the patents), or barely mention Khoe (sprout-place again, the Rene Ritchie piece). There ''might'' be enough reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of Khoe to establish that she meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], but I'm not prepared to wade through looking for them.
	:An article should be almost entirely a summary of what such sources (see ]) say about the subject, and very little else. Sources which do not mention the subject of the article are nearly always a waste of time. ] may be used to verify a limited amount of uncontroversial factual data (such as places and dates). But if you can't find an independent sources that talks about (for example) Sprout, why is it significant enough to get a mention in an article about Khoe? ] (]) 22:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] I completely agree with this, and would add that the Apple and Microsoft logos are really not necessary - just use a wikilink to the company names. You may think it makes the page look pretty, but it adds nothing of encyclopaedic value; just as a skyline view of Vancouver would not be needed to illustrate the statement that she once lived there. Also: sub-headings should always be written in sentence case, so you could remove the unnecessary capitalisation.
	::Feel free to show this reply to your tutor and tell them that we regard it as not only unreasonable but also unfair to have student's work assessed by whether or not our volunteer team have regarded their work acceptable, and to some artificial deadline that they have set. A course tutor should be sufficiently skilled in the workings of Misplaced Pages to be able to assess students work for themselves, based purely upon a Draft article or sandbox page! If they aren't, then they should not be setting you these tasks. It smacks of incompetence. I'm sorry you have all been put in this invidious position by your tutor - but you appear to made a pretty reasonable attempt thus far. ] (]) 23:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::The matter of sentence case for headings is so trivial that I fixed the matter myself. The Apple and Microsoft logos are ''conspicuously'' superfluous here; please get rid of them. Aside from those (I suppose) differences of emphasis, I warmly agree with ] in his comment above. Nick's "we" (in "we regard it as...") isn't a grand way of referring to himself; instead, it probably covers most people who've been editing Misplaced Pages for some time and who've given some thought to the matter, and it most definitely includes me. -- ] (]) 00:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Hi @] and @],
	:::Thank you both for your constructive feedback and for taking the time to help me refine my draft. I completely agree with your points about the logos—I'll remove them and rely on wikilinks to the company names instead. And thank you for correcting the sub-headings as well; I’ll make sure to follow sentence case going forward.
	:::I also appreciate the advice regarding my tutor's expectations. It’s reassuring to hear your perspective, and I’ll certainly pass on your comments to them.
	:::Thanks again for your support and for helping me improve the article! ] (]) 08:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hi @],
	::Thank you for the warm welcome and for your thoughtful advice. I really appreciate your feedback on my draft, especially your points about the reliability of sources and the importance of independent coverage. I'll definitely revisit the sources and make sure I focus on those that provide significant, independent coverage of Khoe.
	::I also take your advice about the academic use of Misplaced Pages seriously and will keep in mind the unpredictable nature of the review process moving forward.
	::Thanks again for taking the time to help me improve my draft!
	::Best regards ] (]) 08:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:<small>Notified the ] and ]. ] (] '''·''' ]) 22:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
	::Deleted logos and other stuff that would have contributed to the draft being Declined. Still needs work and references. P.S. There is no such thing as a "high" B rating. ] (]) 06:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::The deletions were beneficial. But, ], I don't see how the deleted material "would have contributed to the draft being Declined". To be accepted, a draft doesn't have to be "]"; it must merely ]. I'm pretty sure that it would do so now. I could accept it now, but ] still has more than one week, and is keen to get "a very high B rating". <small>From whom -- Misplaced Pages or the class teacher? If the former: Individual Misplaced Pages users give "B" ratings, but typically not after careful consideration. And if it's "B", it's plain "B": there's no "high B" or "low B" or even "borderline B".</small> ¶ Here's something that Riccardo could attend to. A reference that's not unusual for this draft: {{Olive|Gray Area. "May-Li Khoe". ''Gray Area.'' Retrieved 2024-11-07.}} If a web page, article, etc that's on/in website or magazine ''XYZ'' isn't attributed to any particular author(s), we don't attribute its authorship to ''XYZ''. Instead, we just leave it blank: {{Olive|"May-Li Khoe". ''Gray Area.'' Retrieved 2024-11-07.}} Same if the website, magazine etc attributes it to "Editorial staff": "Editorial staff" is uninformative, so we skip it. If using a Cite template, use "last=" for the surname of a single person, not for anything else. ( of mine , and may help explain.) -- ] (]) 07:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Hi @],
	::::Thank you so much for your thoughtful feedback and the clarification regarding the draft. I appreciate your point that the draft doesn’t need to be perfect, just likely to survive an AfD discussion, and I’ll keep that in mind moving forward.
	::::Your advice on citation formatting is incredibly helpful, especially regarding the handling of sources with no attributed authors. I’ll make sure to leave the author field blank in those cases and properly format the "last=" field for single authors. I’ll also review the reference you suggested and apply the formatting changes accordingly.
	::::I’m continuing to improve the draft, focusing on better references and following your guidance on these details. Thanks again for your support!
	::::Best regards,
	::::@] ] (]) 08:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Hi @],
	::::Thank you again for all your advice! I’ve made the necessary changes to the citations and followed your suggestions.
	::::If possible, I’d be very grateful if you could review the page and approve it. Also, if you have any further tips on what I can do to ensure the article reaches at least a B rating, I’d love to hear your thoughts.
	::::Thanks once more for your help and support. Looking forward to your feedback!
	::::Best regards,
	::::@] ] (]) 08:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::{{U|LIUCRiccardo10}}, there's more work to do. Here are three tasks. ¶ First, a sample: {{Olive|Khoe served as Vice President of Design at Khan Academy, a nonprofit educational platform dedicated to accessible education. In this role, she has developed user search methodologies and design systems to improve the usability and functionality of the platform. She implemented team evaluation processes to assess collaboration and inclusivity within the design team.}} What does "platform" mean? (Fee-charging database and website combination, perhaps?) I have only the vaguest idea of what "developed user search methodologies and design systems to improve the usability and functionality of the platform" might mean. "Inclusivity", referring to the inclusion of what or whom? Go through the draft and try to rephrase for ease of comprehension. (If you're citing a source that uses vague abstractions, then you can repeat the vague abstractions -- but in quotation marks.) ¶ Secondly: {{Olive|The game has been recognized for its accessibile approach to .}} Don't fret over the (rare) spelling mistake; rather, "has been recognized" raises the question of who it is who've recognized it. And there's a single reference for this: Khoe's own "Creating the rhythmic pixel art of Playdate music maker Boogie Loops". I infer that either Khoe has recognized it, or others have (according to Khoe). Neither is satisfactory. You're free to cite Khoe for such matters as her birth date, but for anything that could reasonably be described as an achievement (e.g. recognition by others), you should not. If this leaves a number of assertions unreferenced, remove those assertions. ¶ Thirdly, remove the table of patents. If you can find a source independent of Khoe for your introduction to the table, then retain the introduction, with a reference to that independent source. And if you can find commentary that's independent of Khoe and is about one or more of the patents, you can summarize and cite that, of course specifying the patent(s). -- ] (]) 08:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I think the other users and I have made the necessary changes based on your feedback. Could you please review and let me know if I've addressed everything properly? Specifically, I would appreciate your thoughts on whether the changes to the patent section are acceptable and if the sources ( and ) are appropriate to use. Additionally, could you confirm whether all the images have the correct permissions in place?
	::::::Thank you for your help! ] (]) 15:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi @]: it seems that with you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- ] (]) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::possible meaning: "uncontroversial" vs "barely"? ] (]) 07:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Hi @], thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea ] (]) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at ]. -- ] (]) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== how to give feedback ==
	==Genealogy cruft==
	], on the matter of cruft, how about the kind exemplified within the article ]? It's ostensibly about somebody who was an ambassador to Czechoslovakia at a very volatile and decisive time in that nation's history. (This is how I encountered his name.) But it says very little about that, instead divulging to the reader such nuggets as who his younger sister's husband's sister was and who his daughter's husband's father and (maternal) grandmother were. -- ] (]) 00:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Does not belong as a subsection to the parrot query. ] (]) 06:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{u|Hoary}}, I agree that the material about Nichols' less immediate relatives is not very useful*, although I'd hesitate to cut all of it, but of course it has no bearing on showing the subject's notability, and ignoring that material I'm not sure that the remainder, actually about Nichols, contains enough to justify an article. He seems to have been just another competent diplomat, doing his job, with no outstanding achievements (or blunders).
	:<small>(* I had to double check that he was not part of the Middleton family sphere so over-inserted by a certain Australian-based contributor.)</small>
	:{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 16:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@] I'm not sure there's any comparison, is there? One article is attempting (albeit a tad verbosely) to use data in an encyclopaedic manner to demonstrate the expansion of a non-native and potentially harmful species around various continents during the 21st century (and within quite a detailed article); whilst the other is about a UK ambassador and knight of the realm - and mentions a load of notable relatives in passsing - all within a fairly perfunctory article that could merit some expanding. ] (]) 20:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::], one number formerly known as another, and ]: Both articles arguably raise questions about superfluity. I'd informally rate the ] article a lot higher than that about Nichols, because it's about an indubitably encyclopedia-worthy subject, because it keeps to that subject instead of wandering off elsewhere (e.g. among the members of the related and attractively-named genus '']''), and because, to me at least, it's far more interesting. Nichols came to my attention as the writer, or anyway the signatory, of a foreword to a handsome book whose other foreword is by no less a figure than ]. My uninformed guess is that hours of research in a first-rate library would demonstrate Nichols' encyclopedia-worthiness; but there are only so many hours in the week and years in my lifespan, so I'm not offering to try. (And if anyone were to send the Nichols article to AfD, I wouldn't object.) Meanwhile, I remain puzzled by en:Misplaced Pages's appetite for (''Social Register''–inspired?) genealogical trivia. -- ] (]) 23:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::...and therein lies the problem. People here aren't willing to spend hours in a library confirming that a topic is notable. So, some lazy person simply AfDs it, and it goes in the bin and that person thinks they're doing a really good job. Pathetic. ] (]) 23:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::], I can imagine that there have been clearcut examples of the sequence (i) moderate amount of effort was made to show that the subject of a junk article was notable, but failed to show it; (ii) article was taken to AfD; (iii) nobody was able to show notability; (iv) article was deleted; (v) somebody pored through codices, newsprint, microfilm, microfiche, DVD-ROM or whatever, and found good material; (vi) whether via AfC or directly, a good article on the same subject was made, clearly demonstrating the notability of the subject to the satisfaction of the admin who'd deleted its predecessor and to virtually all reasonably-minded Wikipedians. But if there have indeed been such cases, were they hindered by the deletions? -- ] (]) 00:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::@] I would say, YES.
	:::::Good content on a notable topic would have been deleted for quite some time until someone (if we're very lucky) finally goes to the effort of researching and re-creating it. But maybe some newbie editor (or keen deletionist) feels happy they've got rid of some sh*tty article. Instead I wish they'd put some genuine effort into ], or finding something better to do. That's not to say that poor article's shouldn't be deleted; it's just that too much laziness and very little effort goes into deletions, and not enough effort goes into article improvement and retention. ] (]) 01:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::But ], can you come up with an example or three of the sequence: (i) Junk article deleted at AfD because of lack of notability (as gauged by the paucity of worthwhile hits from Google, Google Books, etc); (ii) Some user puts serious time and effort into library research into that article's subject; (iii) Said user releases a new article (whether via AfC or directly); (iv) Aside perhaps from the occasional crank or party-pooper, all acknowledge the notability of the subject and the quality of the article? (The creator of the newer article may have created it in anger at the earlier deletion, or despite depression caused by the earlier deletion, or in complete ignorance of the earlier article and its deletion.) Or, more pertinently, an example of: (i) ; (ii) Good reason to think that good material is in research libraries, awaiting somebody with ample resources of time and effort to spare; (iii) Good reason to think that there is a user who'd fit the bill, but that this person was so dismayed by the earlier deletion that they decided not to bother? I tend to think that the great number of junk articles encourages the addition of more junk articles; and that today's editors are likely to bristle at the seeming message "You're too late. If only you'd perpetrated this back in 2010 or so, it would have been accepted. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The other stuff is no better than what you're trying to add, you say? True, but none of us can be bothered to investigate. And so yes: Old junk, good; new junk, bad." -- ] (]) 02:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Sorry - too much of a wall of words for this time of night. And, no, I'm not going to jump through hoops just to please you, sorry. I remian of my view that too many people are too quick to delete content and many who do don't always have the skills to do ] or undertake proper research. It does, however, give them a quick fix and a warm feeling, so that's OK, isn't it? G'night. ] (]) 02:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::A wise decision, Sir! -- ] (]) 07:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature.
	== Rules of recommendations to add links in an article ==
			thanks ] (]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
	Hello ! I'd like to know if there are rules or recommendations to add links in an article.
			:Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is ] that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. ] (]) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at ]. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that ] is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. ] (]) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{tpq|I am not interested in editing wikipedia}} If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. ] is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, ] are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general ] for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even ]. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at ]. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --] (]) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== VisualEditor ==
	I'm talking about internal links to Misplaced Pages in English.
			I've just changed my Preferences > Editing
	As an example. We can choose the article "]". <br />
	If there are a section or a sub-section citing "]" '''(This is an example but I could take another subject mentionned on this article)'''.
			Turned on "Enable the visual editor" <small>(which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)</small>
	If Moscow is linked one time in the article. Can I do it for others sections or sub-sections if this is not the same sub-section or section ?
			But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.
			I've looked at ] and it says (] to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).
	If you don't understand what I means with words '''"section"''' and '''"sub-section"'''. <br />
	You can see the example below.
			But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:I've found out, reading ] (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
	== Presidency == is a section. <br />
			:After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
	=== Early leadership (2000–2011) === is a sub-section of the section '''"Presidency"'''.
			:and the press "save" button at the bottom.
			:Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
			:It's not easy to find out. ] (]) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) ] (]) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::But, @], do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Thank you, @] . I've tried in main space and the in user space. ] (]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, {{tq|you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.}}? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== "No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error) ==
			Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.
	I don't think I'll work on the article "]" because it's so voluminous I don't know where to begin but this is a good illustration of my question. ] (]) 06:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@], ] says that you should {{tq|Link a term at most once per major section, at first occurrence}}. So I suppose the answer to your question would be yes. The word Moscow can be linked in every level-two section (==), but only once. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 08:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm not certain I rightly understood. <br /> <br />
	::Do you think we can link link a term once per section == and not once per sub-section === ? ] (]) 08:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::A ] on that page says {{tq|Major sections are generally detailed sections with a level-2 heading, but consensus at an article may determine a lower-level subsection is major...}}, so generally speaking, a term shold only be linked once every section, unless the section is very large. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 08:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thanks for your useful advice ! ] (]) 08:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::{{u|Anatole-berthe}}, it is not necessary to wikilink major world cities known to all literate English speakers such as London, Manila, Paris, Delhi, New York, Tokyo, Havana, Cairo, Rome, Baghdad or Moscow, for example. However, my mother's home town of ] should be wikilinked. ] (]) 09:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I agree it is not necessary but I think an encyclopedia have to be complete as possible. ] (]) 07:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.
	== Possible Erroneous Conflation ==
			The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.
	I think I found an issue with the ] article, which I discuss . Can anyone give me feedback on my proposed changes? I'm a new editor, and I didn't want to proceed without a second opinion. ] (]) 14:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			Bell Labs record
	:And to be clear, my talk section is . ] (]) 14:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hello, {{u|Xanjaxn}}. I think that both the development of the espionage device and its placement can be covered in a single article without any policy problems. A reader interested in the first will certainly be interested in the second, and vice versa. Plus, it is a very short article and we normally only split very long articles. ] (]) 02:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Article about this record
	== Signing question ==
			Sample of this sound
	Hello friends, Shen here again. I was curious about something. I've noticed a lot of people have customized signatures (ex: colored text with their username, a neat little phrase instead of "Talk", etc.) and I was curious how I could go about doing that myself.
	Thanks! ] (]) 16:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)		What do you think of this? ] (]) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi ]. See ]. ] (]) 17:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Thank you for the question, @]. In your preferences, you can go to the tab ''User profile'' and create a custom signature there. Maybe I can find a guide out there on examples of how to change its look and show it to you. ] (]) 17:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] @] There is a guide technically, it's at ] and ]. At SIGTUT you can find a bunch of examples of people's signatures close to the bottom of the page, they really helped me to figure out how to put them into practice. ]'']'' 17:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::👌👌👌👌 ] (]) (]) 17:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Ah, thank you! As soon as I get a chance, I'll be taking a look! ] (]) 17:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::@] One alternative way to highlight your own signature so you can see it easily on Talk Pages but others just see the default blue text is to use a personal cascading style sheet at ]. If you were to add the code <code>#bodyContent a { background-color: #008080; color: #ffffff; font-weight: bold; }</code> there, you and you alone would see your signature in white letters on a bright green background. I do this and I wish more people would as it doesn't distract anyone else reading these pages. ] (]) 15:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Oh, thanks! I think that's what I'll use. ] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::Well, I tried it, but it said there was something wrong with the code :/ ] (]) 19:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::@] Did you copy the code straight from the rendered text? It should have worked. Compare my version at but please don't attempt to edit there. ] (]) 14:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::Yeah, I copied the exact code. I think I got it to work now, though. ] (]) 17:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::Yeah no. ] (]) 17:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::I do wonder what's causing the issue, whether there's some issue with how/where it's inputted? ]'']'' 17:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::Well, it's not an urgent issue. It's just a slight blow to my vanity haha. ] (]) 18:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Ah! I found the source, I think! It says it wasn't linking to my talk page or user page or something. ] (]) 18:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for ] or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! ]]] 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Links to specific book page from {sfn} ==
			::Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ] (]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Maryam Mirzakhani ==
	From a full citation I can link to the exact book page I’m referring to if that page has its own URL, like <nowiki>https://archive.org/details/b2803806x/page/58/</nowiki>. But if there are several citations of different pages of the same book, I like to replace all full citations except one with {sfn}. The remaining full citation links only to one page (if any). Is it possible and appropriate to create links to specific book pages from {sfn}?
			Can someone fix the error in the ] article?
	Thanks in advance. ] 18:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus '''<span style="color:red">Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g}</span> .''' In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.
	:@], this can be done with Sfn. There is information at ]. Just use square brackets and add a link where you are using p= or pages= (e.g., <nowiki>{{sfn|Harvey|2010|page=}}</nowiki>). ]] 21:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you! ] 16:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Thanks. ] (]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Florida Power & Light Power request ==
			:<s>Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be ]; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be ] and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be ] and ]. Ideally, you're going to need to find ] ] (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; ], you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a ] source and could have other issues as explained in ]. You could also try asking about this at ] since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- ] (]) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</s>;<ins>post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</ins>
			::Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at ] than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
			:Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, ] is a better place to ask about this.
			:@]. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ] (]) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction {{u|ColinFine}}. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability. ==
	Hi editors, I made a ] for the ] section. It's essentially a reorganization and removing some unsourced sentences and a little bit of new content. I recognize that it is pretty unwieldy. I would appreciate any suggestions that editors here have for improving it! Cheers ] (]) 18:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask:
	:{{u|FPL Daniel}}, it's unlikely that any editor will approve a large unwieldy proposal like yours. You don't even make it clear what you want. Are proposing to replace the whole article by the six sections you've written? Or to add them to it? Or to have them replace some unspecified parts of it? ] (]) 21:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from ] to since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur.
	::@], In their original request they said {{tq|Replace the content in the current Power generation section with what is in the collapse box below:}}, so it's evident that they wanted to replace the whole content. What I can say to, @], is that editing Misplaced Pages is voluntary and the editors who complete edit requests do it on a voluntary basis and go through hundreds of them every week and month so please be patient while editors come and try to complete your edit request. {{smiley|shades}} Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 20:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Cheers! ] (]) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in ] and in ]. ]&nbsp;] 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including ] and in ] ] (]) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! ] (]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. ] for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
			:Note, to the anonymous editor: if you ] you get your own shiny neato ] to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!
			:(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the ], but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having ] with its own generation capacity!) --] (]) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::<small>Note to ]: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at ] to create a draft. ] (]) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
			:::Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is ], which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --] (]) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @] suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! ] (]) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:On the other hand, ] is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with ] that ] is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. ] (]) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have . Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. ] (]) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages? ==
	== Request for Feedback on Draft: Dr. Toula Gordillo ==
			Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages ] (]) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Dear Misplaced Pages Editors,
			:Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about '''your''' game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See ] and ]. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See ] ] (]) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I hope this message finds you well. I am seeking guidance on improving the draft article I submitted about Dr. Toula Gordillo, a clinical psychologist, author, and researcher. You can view the draft here: .
			::{{u|Aaronfart14}}, the relevant content guideline is ]. ] (]) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	The feedback I received from an editor included the following comment:
			:::If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. ] (]) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	“No evidence of notability, and very poorly referenced.”
	I want to ensure that the article meets Misplaced Pages's notability and content guidelines, and I would appreciate your expert advice on how to address these concerns. Specifically:
	Notability: What additional evidence or sources should I include to establish Dr. Gordillo's notability? Are there particular types of achievements or recognitions that would better meet Misplaced Pages’s guidelines?
	References: I have attempted to use reliable and verifiable sources, but it seems they may not be sufficient. Could you suggest how to strengthen the references or identify any gaps in the current citations?
	General Improvements: Are there other significant issues in the draft, such as tone, structure, or content, that I should address?
	I have disclosed my potential conflict of interest (COI) and my intention is to create a balanced and encyclopedic article. I’m committed to improving the draft and learning from the process to ensure it aligns with Misplaced Pages's standards.
	Your feedback and guidance would be invaluable in helping me improve this draft. Thank you for your time and expertise.
	Best regards,
	Syed Tayyab ] (]) 18:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Thank you for the question, @]. I am unable to fully answer your question at the moment, but I will direct you to our guideline for the notability of academics, ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 18:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hello, {{u|SyedTayyab560}}. This is about ]. The thing that I saw immediately is that there are five "failed verification" tags and those ''must'' be resolved because ] is a mandatory core content policy. When someone clicks on a link in one of your references, it must take them to a reliable source that explicitly verifies that content. Then I noticed the unreferenced assertion {{tpq|Her father’s storytelling and her mother’s dedication to music education shaped her interest in narrative-based therapies.}} That also fails verifiability and must be corrected. You have references to two Amazon bookselling pages, which are of no value and can be considered as spamming. Amazon will create a page for any book that they can make money off of. Her claim to notability seems to be creating the trademarked concept "Story Image Therapy". When I check Google Books and Google Scholar, I find no discussion of this topic except by Gordillo herself. Is it somehow connected to ] which was also developed in Australia? An acceptable Misplaced Pages biography of Gordillo would summarize the significant coverage that reliable sources ''completely independent'' of Gordillo devote to Gordillo and her work. What she says about herself and her theories has very little place in an article about her. ] (]) 23:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Dear Cullen328,
	:::Thank you for your thorough feedback on the draft for ]. I appreciate the time you’ve taken to highlight the issues and provide clear suggestions for improvement.
	:::I understand the importance of verifiability and will address the "failed verification" tags by reviewing all the references to ensure they explicitly support the claims made in the draft. I’ll also remove the unreferenced assertion about her parents' influence and work to replace unreliable citations, such as the Amazon links, with more credible, independent sources.
	:::Regarding her claim to notability, I see your point about needing significant coverage from reliable sources independent of Dr. Gordillo. I will research further to find academic discussions, media coverage, or other reputable sources that demonstrate her contributions and align with Misplaced Pages's notability standards.
	:::Additionally, I will revise the draft to focus on summarizing significant coverage of her work as presented in independent sources, minimizing content that relies on her self-published material or theories.
	:::If you have any further suggestions or guidance, I would be grateful for your input. Thank you again for your time and constructive feedback.
	:::Kind regards,
	:::Syed Tayyab ] (]) 09:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Writing about Childhood and Early Life ==
	== Johannes Spieß page ==
			I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? ] (]) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Greetings. A few weeks ago I created and edited the page in caption. I'm quite happy with the result. However, I have noticed there is no caption about the subject when typing the page name on the search box. How can I add a caption? ] (]) 19:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{re|Aharten97}} It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see ]. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi ]. See ]. ] (]) 20:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			::https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. ] (]) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Hello, {{u|Benzekre}}. In its current form, ] fails to establish that he is a ]. You have a database listing without prose and a link to a book that he wrote. What is required are several references to reliable sources completely independent of Spieß that devote significant coverage to Spieß. ] (]) 00:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			== What to write on your talk page? ==
	== Specific articles take a long time to load edit history ==
			Above question ] (]) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Does anyone else notice how some articles take forever to load their edit histories? Does that mean there have been a lot of edits and/or an edit war? An article affected by this phenomena that really annoys me (as someone who is currently giving it a major overhaul) is the ] article. It's not a problem with my device or WiFi, the edit histories take exceptionally long times to load no matter my connection strength or PC power. ] | ] | ] 20:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi and welcome, @]. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. ] (]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Citations about movies ==
	:Unless this is a setting that can be changed and you've done so, loading the edit history for any page only initially shows the latest 50 edits, so I don't see how the total number of edits to an article being large would have any impact on the load time for the edit history. My instinct would be that this is an issue at your end, so I wonder how you know that it's not a connection speed issue? ] (]) 21:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::i know it isnt a connection issue because I have that problem on all three of my devices (personal PC, phone, school chromebook) on all three of my connections (school wifi, home wifi and mobile data). My PC is pretty beefy and I have gigabit internet, but I have the same problem that I have on my school chromebook and shitty 50mbps school wifi ] | ] | ] 21:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			I'm trying to improve ]
	:I looked at the history page of ] on my phone and on my computer and in both cases it loaded in less than 2 seconds. Perhaps you have some gadget enabled that is making it take longer for you? ] (]) 22:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Loaded the history page for that article. Took ~1-2 seconds for me. One anecdotal data point that is probably useless in troubleshooting the problem you're seeing.
	:By default, loads on the newest 50 edits. So, not expecting that volume of activity would have any bearing. ] (]) 22:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	::yeah I give up, maybe it's just weird for me for no reason ] | ] | ] 22:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Even when I ask it to list the most recent 500 edits, about a second. ] (]) 13:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::I timed it and for me on all of my devices and connections, it takes on average eight seconds. Could it have something to do with the fact that like 85% of the edits on that page in the last three months were made by me? ] | ] | ] 13:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::@] That might be the case if you use some ] which is converting your username in the edit history into something fancy. Also, it may be worth seeing whether using different ] makes any difference. ] (]) 14:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?
	== Nutrality ==
			2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)
	what would happen if something like this happened
			Many thanks
	https://xkcd.com/545/ ] (]) 22:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)		] (]) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi and welcome, @]. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is ]. You can learn how to add citations at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. ] (]) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do I create a Misplaced Pages article ==
	:Hello, @]. See ]. Until the event had been written about substantially in independent reliable places it could not be the subject of an article - and not necessarily even then. ] (]) 22:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== ??? ==
	I am confused with this error in references. https://en.wikipedia.org/Madagascar_banana ] (]) 22:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)		:Здравствуйте, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{u|Laffuble}}, I removed the extraneous undefined reference tag that caused the error. ] (]) 22:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)		::Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. ] (]) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, please be aware that the ] is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is ], which means the account is over a month old (it is) ''and'' has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). ] (]) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Thankyou. ] (]) 22:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Then can someone else make an article about it? ] (]) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. ] (]) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Who do I ask about it? ] (]) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the ] before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. ] (]) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::You could ask on ]. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
			:::::::I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in ], making extra work for administrators. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected? ==
	== Are maps reliable sources ==
			Sorry if this is the wrong place. ] (]) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	So I just came across the article ], and the only sources it has are from Google and Bing maps respectively. Are both of these reliable sources, and furthermore, are maps in general considered to by reliable sources? ] (]) 23:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. ] (]) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:@] Maps can, on the one hand, be very reliable sources. However, they can also be used as tools to promote a particular viewpoint. A good example would be some recently pubished maps showing Crimea to be part of Russia, not Ukraine; or the ownership dispute of the summit of Mont Blanc as perceived differently by the French and the Italians.
	:Google and Bing are prone to errors, although in the example you cite I would ask what grounds you might have for disbelieving the citation supporting this article, per ]? Have you tried looking for any others to confirm that this place exists? (Hint: it does). Regards,
	:apsmcan contain incredibly valuable information, unobtainable elsewhere. Yet, they can also be error prone. I suspect that in the article you cite there would be little dispute ] (]) 00:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I wasn't disbelieving the town's existence, seeing that its only sources were maps just prompted me to wonder if maps are reliable sources. ] (]) 01:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{u|RedactedHumanoid}}, sometimes maps can be reliable and sometimes they aren't. In this case, clicking the links provided takes the reader to the Misplaced Pages articles about the map sites, rather than to actual maps of Myene. ] says {{tpq|Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low}}. As anyone familar with maps knows, a dot and a name on a map does not mean that the place is a populated, ''legally recognized'' place. So, it would be best to find some Myanmar government document or other reliable source that verifies that Myene is a legally recognized place. ] (]) 01:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::I had to chuckle as, having Googled "Myene", some ten minutes later Booking.com sent me an email listing a whole load of hotels it thought I might like to stay at there! ] (]) 01:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::<small>Were any of them named "Hilbert's"? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 02:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
	:::::LOL ] (]) 02:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:], I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? ] (]) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Uncooperative conduct by a bunch of IPs ==
			:Hello, @]. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either ] or ] ] (]) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Heyaaaaalol}} Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at ] but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set <code>wgEnableProtectionIndicators</code> to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. ] (]) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Multiple non-free album covers on one page ==
	I had requested ] in the ], but after arbritration had formed a ], some IP addresses that had refused to participate in 3O discussions launched a long-winded rant filled with ] and ]. Is this enough grounds to seek admin intervention? ] (]) 00:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			For the album '']'', there's an associated EP located at the section '']''. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, ''Brunch''{{'}}s artwork (seen ) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a ] image in an infobox? ] (]) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:@] You have already raised an ANI case, which has been answered at ]. You also sent me an email about this. Together with this Teahouse thread, that is a type of ]. Your options are to go back to ANI or to ]. I would advise the latter. ] (]) 12:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ], I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like ]. Happy editing! ]]] 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Edit ==
			== afd ==
	Are republicans allowed to edit ] (]) 00:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Everyone is allowed to edit Misplaced Pages, so long as you follow the rules. ] is a good starting point! Happy editing! ] (]) 00:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)		I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it ] (]) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Welcome to the Teahouse, @]. Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so yes, supporters of the ] can contribute. There is no reason why you shouldn't, so long as you follow our policies and guidelines! ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 01:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:General advice: I would gently advise newcomers to gain familiarity with the rules and editing experience before touching ], which include post-1992 U.S. politics. ] (] '''·''' ]) 01:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Gosh, what about Independents? And Green Party supporters? ] (]) 09:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Socialists? Communists? Left-handed people? ] (]) 13:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::What about ]? ]? ] (]) 17:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Definitely not left-handed people! ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 18:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:History checker ] (]) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: ] (maybe see also ]). Otherwise go to: ]. --] (]) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::This appears to be about ], which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. ] (]) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography? ==
	The reason some (but far from all) Republicans might feel left out is because Misplaced Pages is based on science and fact, as covered by reputable sources. The MAGA movement and President Trump in many cases wants to push an agenda that is based on what (perhaps charitably) people ''want'' to be true, rather than what can scientifically be established as true. This is incompatible with Misplaced Pages's mission, and trying to add "facts" that have no support from reputable academical circles will be removed, and if you insist on adding them, you will eventually be banned. None of this is directed at Republicans or any other political movement specifically, and you should not take it personally. ] (]) 13:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? ] (]) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Can't find an article; thought I saw one a few hours ago ==
			:Hello, {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through ] with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. ] (]) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through ] and the editor should ] their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
			:I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. ] is probably the closest to an example of this. ]]] 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as ]. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. ] (]) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
			:By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in ]") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the ] for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
			:b) No, ] and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "]" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
			:c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
			:d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather ]. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
			:e) Have a look at ]. --] (]) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject? ==
	I cannot locate any article on the Canadian political crises that seems to have errupted just today, where multiple parties (opposition, plus former allies of the governing party) and several members of the Prime Minister's own political party, are calling for his resignation. This seems odd. And I believe I saw an article just a few hours ago. Articles are often created on much less ] than exist on this particular political set of political events in various Parliamentary democracies. I've tried four different Misplaced Pages searches: 2024 Canadian political crises, Canadian political crises, 2024 Trudeau..., etc. Not finding anything.
	If an article existed a few hours ago, and got PRODed/Speedy Deleted, is there even any way for non-Admin editors to tell? Is censorship in Misplaced Pages transparent? (if it was deleted) Thanks. Non-Canadian Misplaced Pages reader here. ] (]) 01:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)		Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. ] (]) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello @]! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the ] on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use ] to tag it as well. ''']''' (]) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:@]Don't worry. If it's a notable event, then any uncited news story will pretty quickly be recreated, based upon ]. But Misplaced Pages is not here to cover breaking news without good sources to back it up (see ]). I guess the answer to your question is actually, 'No', it's very difficult for a user to know what nonsense or non-notable pages have been deleted if they've not gone through AfD. You could try discussing any concerns at ] if you think key topics are benig overlooked. Regards, ] (]) 01:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:: Thank you for the help! I've added the {{tlx|Template:COI}} to the page in question (]) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{tlx|Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. ] (]) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Thanks ], for that thorough answer, to both questions! ] (]) 02:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help ''']''' (]) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	To add to Nick Moyes reply, if you know the '''exact''' page title, it's not hard to see if it was recently deleted, since every "redlink" page (here's one for you: ] :) contains as the sixth and final bullet point "If the page has been deleted, check the deletion log, and see Why was the page I created deleted?" with the requisite links.
			== Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown" ==
	Of course, if you *don't* have the exact link/page title, then yes, it's hard to impossible to know, just as Nick says. ] (]) 13:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! ] (]) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:@] Just an afterthought to @]'s reply. If it was a page you very recently viewed which has now disappeared, you might like to check back through your browser history to see if you can find the exact page title that way. Sorry I didn't think to mention this earlier. ] (]) 14:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Thanks. There is one now: ], which goes to an article section with ~10 sources that cover all the early events and the reactions of the various parties, politicos, and even foreign leaders. ] (]) 23:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			::False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. ] (]) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. ] (]) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== The show button doesn't work on phone ==
	== من كاتب عن مماليك العراق ==
			Hi. Some articles have dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), happens. I don't know about desktop. ] (]) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	اريد ان اعرف من كتب عن مماليك العراق الباشا انا من سلالة عمرباشا ابن احمد باشا ابن حسن باشا .. حيث ان عمرباشا لم يمت بل هرب لدمشق والكاتب هنا كتب انه قتل فهل لي ان اعرف من الكاتب وشكرا ] (]) 01:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~] <small>(])</small> 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Machine translation of the above:''I want to know who wrote about the Mamluks of Iraq, Pasha. I am from the lineage of Omar Pasha, son of Ahmed Pasha, son of Hassan Pasha. Omar Pasha did not die, but fled to Damascus, and the writer here wrote that he was killed. Can I know who the writer is? Thank you.'' ] ] 01:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
	:@] Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort. No single person has contributed to ]. In fact, 126 different editors have helped create it. We do have to show who has contributed most to any given article, though it doesn't not help you understand who has made the most recent edits to it. For that information, you should visit the 'View History' tab (). As this is English Misplaced Pages, please only post questions in English, please. Regards, ] (]) 01:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:I agree. If I look at ], I get that box (from template {{tl|expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
	::The only mention of an Omar Pasha is ], but it does not saythat he was killed, just replaced. ] (]) 01:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
	:@], I wonder if you are asking about an article on Arabic Misplaced Pages, perhaps ]? We cannot give you any useful information about that here, since this is English Misplaced Pages. Try asking at ] ] (]) 10:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:This looks like a bug in the user interface: ] is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ] (]) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~] <small>(])</small> 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone? ==
	== Running out of sources on an article (or something else) ==
			Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".
	Hi, I'm currently working on the Sacred Reich article (] specifically) and I seem to be running into an issue where I'm running out of available sources about the subject.
			But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.
	I am currently working on a major edit revising the band's history section and adding sections about their artistry and political views. However, I am unable to find good enough sources to help me write these sections as most of them do not provide significant enough coverage to write from in general. In specifics:
			Look at for seeing the dotlines. ] (]) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	* For the history section, I'm attempting to cover the band's style during their respective eras (as the band's style changed significantly throughout their history) but there doesn't seem to be any sources that cover the subject of their style past brief mentions of their sociopolitical lyrics.
			:That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:* I'm also trying to find time-relevant reviews of the band's respective releases to cover their reception, however, there doesn't seem to be enough (if any) reviews regarding their releases, likely due to the lack of digitized copies of pre-internet items such as magazines and newspapers.
			::Samsung devices with ] support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with ]. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Oh yeah ]. Abbr and friends use the standard ] for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be {{shrug}}. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at ] whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
			:In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some ] someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one {{;)}}) --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@], ], and ]: I couldn't find any such script, so ]. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~] <small>(])</small> 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@]: The latter. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{reply|Aminabzz}} Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~] <small>(])</small> 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== GA Spotcheck ==
	* General searching on Google and it's sub-engines no longer seems to satisfy the search for sources, as I've either already used them in the article or are unrelated to the topic. Dig deeping on Google Books and News have failed, largely because of a. brief mentions, b. unreliability and questionable publishing, and c. not related to the band.
			Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? ] '''(])''' 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	However, I have an underlying concern that this may be of my own doing and possibly overlooking worthy material unknowingly. There are some references (<ref name="Guiness">{{Cite book |last=Larkin |first=Colin |url=https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9506976M/The_Guinness_Who%27s_Who_of_Heavy_Metal |title=The Guinness Who's Who of Heavy Metal |date=1 June 1995 |publisher=] |isbn=978-0851126562 |edition=2nd |location=Einfield |page=307 |language=en |asin= |oclc=60224771 |ol=9506976M |url-access= |ol-access=free}}</ref>,<ref name=":3">{{Cite news |last=Atkinson |first=Peter |date=12 August 1990 |title=Record-Journal |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yS5IAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA34&dq=%22Sacred+Reich%22&article_id=1278,2311225&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB98jV4dqJAxXgEUQIHfu4Is0Q6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Sacred%20Reich%22&f=false |access-date=15 November 2024 |work=] |publisher= |page=34 |language=en |issn=1091-6946 |quote=}}</ref>) that may cover the aforementioned topics significantly, but I feel struggle to actually put together in the article. I'm unsure whether or not I am running out of material or if I'm just struggling to convert the material into encyclopedic content.
			:Appears that at ], date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. ] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Yes, that is why I am asking. ] '''(])''' 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@], note 2 on the ] page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at ]. ]&nbsp;] 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::So it means Verifiable with no original research:
			::it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
			::reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
			::it contains no original research; and
			::it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? ] '''(])''' 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The '''note''' says {{tq| "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)."}} ]&nbsp;] 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? ] '''(])''' 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through ]. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. ]&nbsp;] 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Thank you. ] '''(])''' 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/ ==
	Thank you for reading my message, and advice is highly appreciated. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 04:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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	] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 04:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{u|Sparkle &#38; Fade}}, the answer is very clear - if you cannot find reliable sources verifying the content that you want to add, then that content simply does not belong on Misplaced Pages at this time. The broader point is that identifying reliable sources about the topic always comes first. Then, summarize the sources. Do not even ponder adding content that is not verified by reliable sources. ] (]) 04:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] I believe you may be mistaken on the problem I am having. I am very much familiar with ], especially when working with WP:BLPs (which applies to this article). However, I believe my problem is primarily regarding ] (which I believe applies to information inside of an article as well) as most sources don't seem to provide enough insight on some topics for me to fully cover in the article, and not a problem with ].
	::Apologies, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 05:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{u|Sparkle &#38; Fade}}, significant coverage is required for references that are relied on to establish notability. But once notability is well-established, then other sources do not need to devote significant coverage to the band. So, {{tpq|brief mentions of their sociopolitical lyrics}} in reliable sources are OK to use, as long other reliable sources devote significant coverage to the band. ] (]) 05:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			I've been working on trying create an article (]) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.
	:{{U|Sparkle & Fade}}, not an answer to your question -- I think Cullen328 has already provided that -- but if you happen to have access to a well-funded library you might ask if you could access the fourth, online edition of ''The encyclopedia of popular music'' (previously ''The Guinness encyclopedia of popular music''). I've only ever seen the second edition (or was it the third?), and it's very big; the fourth is said to be quite a bit bigger again. -- ] (]) 09:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the tip @]. When possible, I'll try and look around to find said book, as it sounds like a valuable source for the article. On a sidenote, I think I explained my problem rather poorly because of my incorrect understanding of SIGCOV: rather, I just can't find enough sources that actually cover the aforementioned aspects of the band. Thanks for the advice, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 14:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@], I viewed a portion (conveniently with the entry for Sacred Reich) on the Internet Archive and the entry is almost exactly the same as the one I cited in the article (''The Guiness Who's Who of Heavy Metal'') with the only new information is a single sentence about one of the band members leaving, which is already covered in the article. Sorry. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 00:03, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Oh dear, ]; sorry to have wasted your time. -- ] (]) 13:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info ]. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! ] (]) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Determining consensus ==
			:@] Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. ] are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See ]. ]|] 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	When there is just one person on the talk page who disagrees with an edit. How many people have to agree with it, for there to be a consensus? ] (]) 10:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also ] ] (]) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] @] Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. ] (]) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol ] (]) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the '''Ride experience''' section of ]? ]&nbsp;] 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit ''everything'' inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! ] (]) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] ] is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at . ] ] 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do i delete a Wikepedia page? ==
	:Hi @]: there's no hard number or percentage, it's more nuanced than that. You may want to read through ], if you haven't yet done so. -- ] (]) 10:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I have read WP:Consensus, it wasn't helpful. The BRD has reached its discussion phase, but pretty much everything has been said. One user says that the edit is against policy and shows no sign of changing opinion, but no one else is appearing to buy his argument. What can I do? ] (]) 10:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::If there are only two people in the discussion, try ]. More generally, look at ]. ] (]) 13:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools
	== If a DRV ends up being an "Endorse" instead of "Allows Recreation", what happens to the new information that I found? ==
			how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. ] (]) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi, to give a bit of context, I recently found a lot of new sources for an article that was nominated to AfD after it was relisted . But despite being relisted for extra discussion, the AfD was first closed as "no consensus", but then a few hours later, was changed to "delete", even though there were no further delete votes after the new sources were posted. From reading the DRV rules, I understand that if the DRV ends up being an "endorse", then the article will no longer exist and I won't be able to recreate the article. But what happens to the new sources I found? Does it mean that these sources no longer count as "new sources", and so I'd have to find more on top of these? ] (]) 13:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:] is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the ] process. What you added to ] was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See ] for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also ], but that has its own problems. ] (]) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, Thanks! ] (]) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See ] for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. ] (]) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. ] (]) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Hi! PARIS ==
	::] - A deletion of an article at ] normally allows the recreation and submission of a draft, and the endorsement of the deletion normally does not disallow recreation and submission. Some of the participants in the DRV are saying both to Endorse the close of the deletion discussion and to authorize submission of a draft, but they (including myself) are restating the usual procedure, rather than voting to make a special exception. If, as appears certain, the deletion is endorsed, you will be able to submit a draft of a new article for approval, regardless of whether the closer of the DRV mentions that.
	::There are two questions that authors who wish to recreate a title that was deleted often conflate, causing confusion:
	**May a draft with the deleted title be submitted for review?
	**May a copy of the deleted article be restored to user or draft space?
	::The answer to the first is almost always yes. The exception is if the title has been ], create-protected, usually due to repeated recreation. It should usually not be necessary to ask the second question. It is often better to start over in creating a good article rather than using an article that failed to show notability as the starting point. It is almost always better to start over if the previous article was deleted as promotional, but the article in question was deleted for lack of notability. Anyway, in your case, you will do better to start from scratch than to use the deleted article to begin, because the deleted article was corrupted by ] edits and other misconduct. So I advise you to start from your knowledge and your better sources after the DRV is finished.
	::It won't matter whether the closer of the DRV says that you may submit a draft for review. You will be authorized to submit a draft for review. A statement to that effect restates the standard process.
	] (]) 02:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the ]. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. ] (]) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Advice on whether draft article meets notability guidelines ==
			:On the AoPS Wiki go to ]. I don't know bout wikipedia tho ] (]) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Sorry its ] ] (]) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Bonsoir, IP user.
			:73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the ] function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to ].
			:However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
			:I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @], was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space ''again'' by @].
			:Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
			:I am finding it very difficult to ]. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ] (]) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. ] (]) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== AoPS page ==
	Hello, I recently got back into Misplaced Pages editing. I have edited before, but never created an article. I wanted to create one about Alice Morrison (a TV presenter and adventure traveller) because I think she is an important role model. When I submitted my ] for review, it got rejected because the sources didn't meet notability requirements. I added some more sources and received a similar rejection (with some slightly more specific feedback). I've now made a version which I think has every available source I can find on the internet. Please could somebody give me some more detailed explanation on whether this article would now count as notable? Thank you. ] (]) 13:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Why isn't there a page for ]? ] (]) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, @]. We don't really do pre-reviews here: that's what "submit for review" is for. But just looking at your list of sources, I can see that most of your citations aren't helpful. You shouldn't be citing her "publisher's homepage" or "BBC programme index" at all, and interviews with Morrison are not independent, and so can be used only to support limited uncontroversial factual information. Which of your sources meet the triple requirements in ]? ] (]) 13:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			: Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet ] and was either deleted altogether or added to ]. ''{{no redirect|Art of Problem Solving}}'' current ]s to the "Rusczyk" article and its ] shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per ]. If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is {{u|Liz}}. Perhaps by asking at ], Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- ] (]) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:The AfC rejections say that your sources do not directly talk about the article's subject, only mentioning it in passing. Having a lot of sources means nothing if they aren't ones talking about the article's subject specifically. If you have already gathered everything you can find and it still failed AfC, then it's time to give up and move on to a new topic. The ] has plenty of things to do. ] | ] | ] 13:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I see the subject of the article has written several books. Can you find any book reviews published by, say. newspapers or reputable magazines? ] (]) 13:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::] was Declined, which is not as severe as Rejected; the former means that in the eyes of the reviewers there is some potential for success. ] (]) 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::A few little things - references go after punctuation; some of your text is not your own working, but rather copied from the S&S website. Please paraphrase. ] (]) 12:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Help on contributing to Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion ==		== Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS? ==
			I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? ] (]) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello,
			:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, ] (]) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	A number of categories I have made have been submitted for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion
			== How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages? ==
	I do not know how to respond to those in the appropriate context ie: Keep , etc.
			The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. ] (]) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	I only am able to reply to comments, but not respond in a way that contributes to the consensus of the discussion. Can someone please point me to the the right way to participate here? My comments are ignored because they do not follow the right notation, its feels like punishment for new editors.
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read ], and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (]), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, ] (]) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Any assistance would be helpful. Many thanks. ] (]) 15:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. ] (]) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== "Series of small edits" ==
	:Hello! I suggest you read these: ] and ]. Please note that the second link is for an essay and not an official policy. ] 15:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] another note, if the other person links an essay or policy, it might help to read through the link and consider if the article falls under that category. This can help you in formulating your response. ] 15:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::hi, let me clarify here. I'm not asking for help on what I need to respond, I'm asking how to contribute the "reject" response so it appears in the same syntax to be counted in the discussion.
	::I keep being told my response is not in the right format (when I reply) but I have no idea how to reply in the way that's correct, and the folks over there have no interest in helping. Does that make sense?
	::It feels like gatekeeping over there. ] (]) 23:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::@], I can understand the frustration. For AfD, there is ] to give new participants guidance, but I can't find anything similar for CfD. I'm not experienced there so can't help, but I suggest that you read through a bunch of closed discussions to see what the differences are between your comments and others'. Hope that helps. ]&nbsp;] 23:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thank you. It seems that it's not possible to reply there using the visual editor, that's what I have seemed to have gathered anyway. It's a convenient way to keep people from contributing. ] (]) 23:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Interesting, I didn't realize there were pages on which Visual Editor wasn't an option. I seldom use it, so maybe just haven't noticed when it wasn't there. You seem to have figured out source editing for commenting there. The one thing I see missing from your initial comment in each discussion is a bolded statement of your recommendation ('''oppose''', '''purge''', '''delete''', '''merge''', and so forth). ]&nbsp;] 00:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: , , ) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a ] I am currently engaged in? ] (]) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Question about an article ==
			:Well, there's ], which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
	So I recently joined WikiProject Weather, and I have decided to work on the ], which is where I am from. Since the article says it is a list, does that mean it should be comprehensive? I've noticed that it is particularly lacking in information about the recent tornadoes we've experienced such as a . Should I include a paragraph or two about these smaller events, or stick to adding the bigger ones that were forgotten such as the ] (which I already added, by the way)? ] | ] | ] 15:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
			:I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
			:In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "{{tq|Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter}}", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? ] (]) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. ] (]) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
			::::If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. ] (]) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. ] (]) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::There is not. ]&nbsp;] 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. ] (]) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- ] (]) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Political Party Relations ==
	:You might want to review ], in particular ] ] 15:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Alright thanks. I'll probably stick to fleshing out the list with notable events (the 2010-2019 timeframe in particular is pretty bare) and only add notes of the smaller events when necessary ] | ] | ] 16:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Thanks! Make sure you add a ] to each entry ] 16:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Local news outlets are okay, right? For the section about June 15, I cited the NWS Cleveland office's official breakdown on the event, but I also relied on some Toledo news outlets like ] and ] for more specific information on events that happened in their viewing areas. ] | ] | ] 16:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::It depends on the topic, but it's fine here ] 16:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Just like how we have ], should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.
	== Am I allowed to upload art I made to Commons so I can put it on my userpage? ==
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			:Hi ], that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at ]. ]]] 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	I've been working on my userpage for a bit lately and I was wondering if I can upload art I made that is only intended to be used on my userpage. The art I am talking about in particular is a headshot of Apteryx, who isn't just a pseudonym, but a whole character with her own personality and all of that. Since it is art I made, there would be no problem with copyright, but the image also wouldn't be benefitting anyone but me, and might be seen as a circumvention of the idea where Misplaced Pages doesn't have profile pictures. I'm not sure if that is even an official policy or simply an issue where Misplaced Pages is unable to hire moderators to make sure no NSFW stuff gets in, but I was just wondering. I've seen some people put pictures of stuff they made (or a picture of themselves) on their userpages. I don't want my face on Misplaced Pages (unless I somehow become famous) but I still want a face people can match my personality to, so why not make it the face of a character I made to be a representation of myself. ] | ] 18:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Okay, I'll do that, thanks. ] '''(])''' 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:If the image wouldn't benefit anyone other than you, please don't upload it. ] (]) 21:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello @]. It's policy on Commons to not upload images for personal benefit if they are not intended to be educational, but I believe you can simply upload the art directly to Misplaced Pages instead unless there's some local policy that I'm unaware about. ]<sup>(]) (])</sup> 22:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::wait I can do that? How do I upload something directly to Misplaced Pages without going through Commons first? ] | ] 22:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Sorry for the late response! You can upload the image at ]. The image will be hosted locally to Misplaced Pages, not Commons. ]<sup>(]) (])</sup> 23:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Local uploads are for files that meet the ], {{ping|ApteryxRainWing|Tarlby|p=;}} an image solely used on a userpage probably doesn't. Locally hosted files that are freely licensed are deemed to have been uploaded locally in error and are usually exported to Wikimedia Commons. ApteryxRainWing, the main question you have to ask yourself is if you are willing to, for example, allow someone else to edit your work and then use that edit for commercial purposes without notifying (or paying) you if they attribute the original to you. The full explanation is at ].
	::::Given the importance of copyright law, I suggest reading the entire thing and understanding what happens when you release your work under CC BY-SA 4.0 or a compatible license. ] (] '''·''' ]) 05:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::@] Just checked the Commons policy. While all images must be used for an educational purpose, the image's use on a project like Misplaced Pages makes the image automatically presumed to be a educational, even if it's only use is for a user page. You are free then to upload to Commons, not locally on Misplaced Pages. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 05:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Freedom of Panorama Inquiries ==
	== So I wrote this article about a person who died 2 days ago ==
			This is regarding the article ]. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate ] and ] rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. ] (]) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	] as the title says I wrote an article about a person who recently died. Now I need help to nominate this article so it can appear on the <nowiki>''</nowiki>recent deaths<nowiki>''</nowiki> in the main page. Could anyone help me with that? I don't get it at all tbf. Thanks in advance! ] (]) 18:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ]. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under ] which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also ]). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
	:Recent Deaths is usually reserved for deaths of notable people. The article you are trying to nominate is a dictionary definition of a stub. If you want, expand the article then try again. ] | ] 18:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a ] is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. ]]] 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Oh okay. I did not know that actually. Thank you! ] (]) 18:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Hi {{u|Justiyaya}}, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! ] (]) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Sort of, sort of isn't. I wouldn't tag it as a stub as it has enough content that is worth an encyclopedic entry. The notability tag is something else. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 20:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. ] would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D ]]] 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance {{u|Justiyaya}}, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! ] (]) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages? ==
	== Covid-19 drama ==
			According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?
	I decided to start a new Noticeboard discussion to draw attention to how when I sampled the references cited for biomedical claims in the article on the ] it happens that out of the first eight I looked at, four of them were primary sources. I stopped there and make a comment on the talk page and nobody said anything except for a lone straw man argument from an editor who has been very active as a member of "the ''consensus''". You might be aware that editors in the contentious ] have the article locked and they're vetting any requests with a fine-toothed comb. But when it comes to the article about the mainstream scientific hypothesis, the article seems to be chock full of primary sources, as if the article itself was in large part original research. Is this how it normally goes on here? It seems like a lot of editors don't want to touch this, and there are problems with civility in the talk pages on the part of an editor who seems to plays an informal leadership role going way back. I tried to address behavior on the user's talk page and they just called me names and told me to leave their page alone, and an experienced administrator suggested that I just focus on editing non-contentious topics. I have gotten people on my user page warning me about getting banned just for challenging the status quo in good faith, and an IP editor asked me why I am choosing to get involved. I'm not trying to challenge the consensus, just calling out obvious issues, and so far this isn't getting traction with anybody. I'm either getting ignored or people make a straw man argument and then disappear from the conversation. I am going to ping @] because it was her idea that I visit this forum but would be interested in any and all feedback. Cheers, ] (]) 19:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			More information:
	:In general, contentious topics are... well... contentious! People can get pretty heated (it's why I avoid editing them except for very minor edits and fulfilling edit requests). If you ], I suggest ].
			The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked . It also gave me a link to . ] (]) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:A sidenote - your comment on ] might be better served by an ] - just try to be specific (i.e. talk mainly about what you want to be changed rather than the content of the article) ] 04:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @{{u|Q-bit array}} without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor ]. Usually appeals without talk page access go through ] but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. ]]] 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Where do i copy "{subst:submit}}" ==
			::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. ] (]) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? ] (]) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello again, @] I think the relevant section is ]. ] (]) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. ] (]) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. ] (]) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Thank you! ] (]) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::I messaged one of the stewards . Thank you for helping me find where to ask! ] (]) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notice of geological updates ==
	I want to submit my article to be revised but i dont see the button, i found this code in the help page but when i paste it at the start of my article´s code it doesnt do anything pls help
	(i deleted a little of the code so it doesnt show the yellow box) ] (]) 20:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi! You're missing the extra "{" at the front of the code, which would look like <nowiki>{{subst:submit}}</nowiki>. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I think he purposefully didn't add the extra "{" otherwise it would turn into a template. (Although we can use the nowiki thing). ] (]|]) 20:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::ohhh ok thankss ] (]) 20:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello @]. If you copy and paste that code into the draft, I'm 99% sure it will not work since it'll convert to <code><nowiki><nowiki></nowiki></code>, especially if you're in VisualEditor. Can you please tell me your draft's title? ] (]|]) 20:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Welcome to the Teahouse, @]. As the person above me has asked, can you provide us the link to the draft so we can see? ]<sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{ping|Labauta PR}} This is a help page for the English Misplaced Pages. If it's about a page at the Spanish Misplaced Pages then things are done differently at different languages and you should ask for help there. ] (]) 20:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Please use the {{querylink|qs=title=Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_creation/Submitting&withJS=MediaWiki:AFC-submit-wizard.js&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop|2=AfC Submission Wizard}} instead. Thank ]. ] (] '''·''' ]) 20:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Only use that link if it's an English article for the English Misplaced Pages. ] makes me think it's about the Spanish Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::It probably is about the Spanish Misplaced Pages since, unlike Commons, Wikidata, and Spanish Misplaced Pages, he has no edits anywhere other than 2 edits here in the Teahouse. He could also have an alt account. ] (]|]) 21:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a , compared to the , that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.
	== Single quotation marks conflict with wikitext ==
			Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see
	Hello, I was editing and realized that single quotation marks ' ' and the italic/bold wikitext sometimes interfere with each other. For example when trying to quote 'some text' but also italicize ''some text'', the three quotes appear as '''some text''' in bold instead because of the triple quotes. Is there a way around this? I know some systems use a backslash \ to disable formatting but that doesn't seem to work here. ] (]) 22:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi ], welcome to the Teahouse. Single quoation marks should rarely be used. See ]. <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code> can be inserted between things which should not be interpreted together '<nowiki />''like this''<nowiki />'. ] (]) 22:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)		]). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — ] (]) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the help. I had thought single quotes would be used in articles with British English but I guess not. ] (]) 22:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::In this concrete case simply using a space is sufficient. '' 'A slanted space is a space too.' '' ] (]) 23:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{ping|Curuwen}} To answer your technical question, even though you may be no longer interested: You can use the template {{tl|'}} to insert a single quote in a way that doesn't interfere with other markup. For instance, <nowiki>''{{'}}text{{'}}''</nowiki> renders as ''{{'}}text{{'}}''. ] (]) 00:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thank you. There are at least three ways then, wikitext, template, and just adding a space. ] (]) 02:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Note that the template also inserts a very thin space before the <code>'</code>, to prevent the last letter from colliding with the quotation mark. Compare ''<nowiki/>'TEXT'<nowiki/>'' and ''{{'}}TEXT{{'}}''. --] (]) 21:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ], thank you for your question. ] would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D ]]] 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Delete, or take other actions? ==
			== Request to Update Image ==
	I have two questions and they both relate to the exact same sentence;
			I noticed that the current image used at ] is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.
	1) If, in an article, a single sentence is a direct quote from a research paper that has CC BY permissions, should it be removed entirely, or should another type of action be taken?
			I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to
	2) If, in an article, a single sentence contains non-neutral words, should it be removed entirely, or should another type of action be taken?
			"Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.
			Thanks.. ] (]) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi ], welcome to the teahouse! Although the image ] is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. ]]] 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	For reference;
			::Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood ] (]) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|Ayohama}} I'd hold off in trying to use ] or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by ] until the claims of "]" can be verified by ]. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with ]. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per ] and in such cases ] needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- ] (]) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::{{u|Ayohama}}, even if the issues that {{u|Marchjuly}} describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. ] (]) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) {{tpq|I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first}}. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. ] (]) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement ] (]) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Agree with you ] (]) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct ] (]) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{ping|Ayohama}} The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the ] added to each file's page will be changed to ] by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- ] (]) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max ] (]) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::According to ], more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. ] (]) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::::And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::] claims of "own work" are now verified by ]. If you want, you can go ahead and place the ] under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. ] (]) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft ==
	- The sentence is "''The evolution of the “flood and drain systems” adopted in backyard aquaponics comes back to the pioneering work of Mark McMurtry''"
			Hello! I submitted a draft for ] but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! ] (]) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	- The source is; Rharrhour, Haytam; Wariaghli, Fatima; Goddek, Simon; Sadik, Mohamed; Moujtahid, Aziz El; Nhhala, Hassan; Yahyaoui, Ahmed (2022). . ''E3S Web of Conferences''. '''337''': 03004. ]:. ]:]. ]
			:{{u|Sammy Tremlinn}}, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. ] (]) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! ] (]) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::] might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be ]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== New page ==
	- I have not deleted anything, the sentence quoted was removed, twice, by other editors. ] (]) 22:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. ] (]) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:for background reference;
	:1) The sentence was removed by another editor for copyright violation.
	:2) I started a talk discussion to explain that it comes from a CCBY source.
	:3) The editor said it was bad practice and it should have been paraphrased.
	:4) I undid the deletion.
	:5) Another editor removed it because it was not nuetral.
	:6) I started a talk discussion and suggested the sentence be changed to ""The development of 'flood and drain systems' in modern aquaponics can be traced to the research of Dr. Mark McMurtry at North Carolina State University."
	:7) The editor still says this is "more about puffing McMurtry than informing the reader".
	:8) I suggested to change it to "The development of 'flood and drain systems' in modern aquaponics can be traced to the research at North Carolina State University."
	:9) The editor said "The content of the sentence is promotional. There is no neutral way to word it because the promotion is the only thing there"
	:I am still confused how it is promotional when it is a factual part of the history, foundation and development of that specific system type, it is not opinion it is supported by a scientific paper.
	:Why are other people involved in the history, foundation and development of of he types of systems allowed? ] (]) 22:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] I think that the context is important. Misplaced Pages writing allows direct quotes and a single sentence from a cited source is fine, whether or not the source has a ] license. So, in a biography of Mark McMurtry, to say he was "pioneering" would not be ] but it would be fine to say 'According to X, the evolution of the “flood and drain systems” adopted in backyard aquaponics comes back to the pioneering work of Mark McMurtry'. Even there, you could paraphrase the quote: the point being that you are using it to establish that in someone's opinion he was a "pioneer". In the context of a broad topic like ] I doubt that it is necessary to mention the "pioneering" bit at all. Every innovation could be said to be pioneering, right back to the Chinese. So I would stick to the basic facts and (in the example you give) focus on describing what a flood and drain system is, with citations to McMurtry's publication(s) and the secondary source. There is no need to namecheck each contributor in the body text. ] (]) 13:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::''Misplaced Pages writing allows direct quotes and a single sentence from a cited source is fine, whether or not the source has a ] license''
	:::That is good to know, but also confusing/frustrating as I was previously informed by ] that; "For legal reasons, Misplaced Pages strictly cannot host copyrighted text or images from print media or digital platforms without an appropriate and verifiable license. Contributions infringing on copyright will be removed. You may use external websites or publications as a source of ''information'', but not as a source of ''content'', such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy '''will be ]'''. "
	:::Although, the above may be referring to more than just a direct quote/single sentence. ] (]) 22:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::It's okay to copy prose from a webpage or juornal article that is available under a compatible Creative Commons Licence, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. It's also required under the terms of the license. Attribution for this particular item would be done by including the template <code><nowiki>{{Creative Commons text attribution notice|cc=by4|from this source=yes}}</nowiki></code> as part of your citation. {{diff|Draft:Invincible Pictures Corporation|prev|1263772006|Like this}}. ] (]) 00:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::@] See, for example, the template {{t|blockquote}} and the articles which link there. Some ] contain multiple quotations from sources that are copyright. ] is a case in point. Provided that the quote is attributed to its author, is not modified, and is not excessive in length that's fine. What is '''not''' allowed is to copy/paste large chunks of other people's work and pass them off as if your own writing. ] (]) 11:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. You can go to ], but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new '''article''', but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the ] to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent ] to summarize in an article, and review the ] to see if this business meets it(most do not).
	== Edit History ==
			:If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see ] and ]. ] (]) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Articles about companies need to comply with ] and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. ] (]) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album ==
	Someone edited my article and I want to know who so I can thank them, the main question is, how do you find the articles edit history? ] (]) 22:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi ], welcome to the Teahouse. Click "View history" near the top of the page. See more at ]. ] (]) 22:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you! ] (]) 22:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::A note - "An article I created" is a better way to think about what you did versus "my article", as the latter implies ownership. At ], View history, clicking on any of the dates in the list shows what the article looked like on that date. Green numbers mean content added, red numbers content removed. ] (]) 12:59, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Thank you! ] (]) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello,
	== Moving a Article ==
			This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, ]. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. ] (]) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	So, I saw an article that did not have any references or citations, and it was very short and not very descriptive. I want to move it from main space so it can be improved by whoever wrote it, but I don’t know how.
			:], I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- ] (]) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	If any of you want to check it out, here’s the link:
			::Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's '']'' 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) ] (]) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	] ] (]) 23:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Hi ], in that article, ] that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D ]]] 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::These are my sources (and titles):
			::::"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
			::::"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
			::::"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
			::::"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
			::::"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "]" music video
			::::Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those ] (]) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @]. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. ] (]) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered ]. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I suggest to wait till release too ] (]) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon ==
	:Ok, never mind, it’s proposed that it will be deleted on Christmas. But, I still want to learn how to move a article from main space if it doesn’t have reliable sources ] (]) 23:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Well, if you wanna draftify a page regarding your description, then I suggest using ]. However, if I were you, I'd either suggest proposing/nominating the article for deletion or even try to improve the article. ] (]|]) 00:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::It is up for deletion, and I have messaged the creator, but I decided, “oh, maybe I could learn something from this,” so that’s why I came here. Thank You! ] (]) 11:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::No problem. ] (]|]) 14:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I think you meant you want to move draftify it as your description suggestion such article is not ready for main space. To move article, simply click on the three buttons after the edit button, then click on 'Move page ', you'd see different options like 'Draft, Article, talk etc' then you'd move to appropriate headings. For main space movement I.e from Draft or Sandbox to main space, You should click on 'Article' modify the title if neccesary or leave it as if is. Then publish.... ] (]) 08:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks ] (]) 11:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::But notice, @], that not all inadequate articles should be draftified. See ]. ] (]) 16:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::I understand ] (]) 20:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice.
	== Daniel Penny ==
			This is the german article: Judith Kakon. ] (]) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's ]. Please read ] and ]. ]'']'' 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	New York - There is speculation to whether Daniel Penny is from Islip, New York and if ever he ever served in the United States Marine Corps. Penny was at the recent Army-Navy football game in Philadelphia, won by the midshipman, with President-elect Donald Trump and several of his cabinet selections. None of the selections have faced a vote in the United States Senate. ] (]) 00:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			::] has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. ] (]) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{u|Jef3dv500}}. Unless you have a question about editing Misplaced Pages, I suggest that you discuss this matter at ] instead. ] (]) 04:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey @]
			:It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:
			:1. Improving the Original Article: The ] you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
			:- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
			:- Including details about her important works or achievements.
			:2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
			:- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (]).
			:- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
			:- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
			:3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the ] for details on how to do this properly.
			:4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
			:- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
			:- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.
			:- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
			:If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. ] (]) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== General use of Islamic honorifics ==		== Last aired date in the future ==
			This article revison ] has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? ] (]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi there, I saw an article where a reference to Mohammed was followed by the Arabic ligature for PBUH (ﷺ), was wondering if that should be removed as the honorific is generally only included by Muslims. As Misplaced Pages is not a religious text, I was wondering if it would make sense for me to remove it. Couldn't find a exact guideline on this. Thanks. ] (]) 04:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:See ] - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. ] (]) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, ]! You are correct that honorifics for Muhammad should usually be removed. This is specified in the Manual of Style at ], and more general guidelines for honorifics are at ]. ] (]) 04:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:(However, if the honorific is part of a quotation, it makes sense to keep it there.) ] (]) 04:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks! ] (]) 05:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== How do I clean up formatting of tables? ==
	== small business violin store ==
			On the ] article, the ''Rankings'' section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? ] (]) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	i know this small business in palatine IL (boring subarb) that is not super obscure that could probably have a wiki page but idk to make one for them. a page would really help the business financially Wich would be pretty cool. can somebody make one for it. its called the String project. ] (]) 06:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:I solved it by removing those images:) ] (]) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan ==
	:if u look it up its the white building with grey details ] (]) 06:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see ] for why this business would probably not have an article anytime soon. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 06:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? ] (]) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Template for warning hostile users? ==
			*That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at ], ]. Are you asking about ]? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. ] (]) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			**@] I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			***Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			****In that case, ], you're talking about ] and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over ], and good luck! ] (]) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages ==
	Theres someone on my page, and i want to warn them if they continue (just in case) ] ] 06:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? ] (]) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:If the attacks are offensive and disruptive, then you may report the User here are ]. Another way to best deal with the User it to simply ] the guy. Hope this helps. ] (]|]) 06:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello @]. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	::oh ok. ] ] 06:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you @] for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! ] (]) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:]r initial response to warn is correct, as it is better to try {{User:Tamzin/The diaeresis|de|e|scalation}} ''before'' going to ANI. If searching <code>Template:uw</code> doesn't get what you want (and you don't want to install ] or can't figure it out), you can just...write a brief message. ], too. ] (] '''·''' ]) 10:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Writer or Screenwriter? ==
	With a few exceptions, you are not required to keep content on your own Talk page. Delete stuff and move on. (It will still be viewable via View history if you think you need to see it again.) ] (]) 13:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife ]) and producer. Since there are other ] articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. ] (]) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Suggestions for Monte Zovetto page ==
			:], "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- ] (]) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:(writer) seems OK to me too ] (]) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			Great. Thanks all. ] (]) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services? ==
	Good morning, everyone,
	My team and I recently finished our ] wiki page (a mountain in northern Italy) for a school project. It was approved, and we received a grade C.
			How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. ] (]) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	We already made some improvements (also thanks to other editors), but do you have any suggestions on how we can improve it to achieve a grade B? Thank you!
			:Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at ] or ] noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . ''']''' (]) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	] (]) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)&nbsp;] (]) 07:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (''please'' do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
			:* The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
			:* The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
			:* The article was created or heavily modified by a ], which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
			:* The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
			:* The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is ]. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider ].
			:* The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
			:* The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
			:* The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
			:* The subject likely doesn't meet the ] but has been ]ed to give the appearance that it does.
			:* The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is ].
			:* The subject is not written about in ]. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
			:If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards {{u|TNM101}} suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. <b>]</b> ] 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@]@] I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. ] (]) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. ''']''' (]) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a ]. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are ]); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). <b>]</b> ] 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			Deep thanks to ] for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that ] is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. ] (]) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:I saw there are the pronunciation in "]" indicated in "]". <br /> <br />
	:Maybe someone can add it in "]" ? It is not a great improvement but it is a good one. <br /> <br />
	:Why not add the pronunciation with IPA transcription in "]" ? ] (]) 07:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	Please see ] and ] and how that's putting ] and your classmates in an unfair position and lots of unneeded stress. ] (] '''·''' ]) 10:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? ] (]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:], you say "It was approved, and we received a grade C." I "accepted" the draft, promoting it to article status. I didn't give it a "C", and nobody else did either. I don't see anyone calling it "Start", "C", or "B". Do you mean that your teacher approved it and gave it a C, for university rather than Misplaced Pages purposes? If so, we people here who aren't affiliated with LIUC don't know either how grading is supposed to work in LIUC or what particular criteria your teacher uses in order to grade. -- ] (]) 11:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] Actually . However, @] probably doesn't realise that these assessments are somewhat arbitrary and only ] and ] go through a formal process here. I suggest that LIUCsmarties and colleagues relax after doing a good job of creating the article and focus now on the rest of their schoolwork. ] (]) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Well, ], so I did. Duh. (I plead senility!) Anyone (other than the author or their classmates) who thinks it merits a B is welcome to give it a B. And I have to say that though I'm usually unimpressed by class-assigned article creation, this set does impress me (in a good way). -- ] (]) 12:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Improving a page through including my own research ==
	{{u|LIUCsmarties}} Consider deleting the Legends section, as not clear it is specific to Zovetto (and perhaps adding it to ] instead). ] (]) 13:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:
	== Necropolis of Amorosi ==
			"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.
	I'm currently working on the page ] for a university project work, but the page has been approved as Start-Class. Knowing that there could be done significant improvements inside it, and maybe even lift up the class level, I wanted a detailed feedback and suggestions regarding the page. ] (]) 07:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:], I fear that there's a misunderstanding about quality classes in Misplaced Pages. Class "A" is little used; let's not worry about it. Classing an article as a "Good Article" ("GA") requires some deliberation. Classing it as a "Featured Article" requires a lot of deliberation. "Stub", "Start", "C" and "B" are often applied with little deliberation. Recently when I, as a draft reviewer, have "accepted" drafts, I haven't bothered to class them, because if I were to do so conscientiously I'd have to read and digest the criteria and judge the draft against these, and I can't be bothered. One user might class a draft "Start" and another might class the same draft "B". Try to create a good article , but please don't worry about these classes. (You might be interested in the comments within the thread "]" above. And on another issue, or non-issue: I've added a ].) -- ] (]) 09:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::See ]. For this article, I changed Start to C-class. For articles I significantly improve I prefer not to upgrade the rating myself. ] (]) 13:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			'''Goldschmied, N.''', Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. ''Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.''
	== Hybrid Bridges ==
			Thanks,
	Hi,
	] has a hybrid design, so it is not just a suspension bridge or a cable-stayed bridge. However, it is on the ], but not on the ]. Would it be a better idea to create a new list for hybrid bridges? I know there are not many hybrid bridges, and unfortunately I haven't come across many resources on the subject. I kindly ask for your feedback. ] (]) 10:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Nadav Goldschmied
	:@] If you don't get any good ideas here, I suggest posting at ], which has over 100 page watchers. ] (]) 12:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks! ] (]) 20:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Template skill needed ==
			] (]) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello Teahouse people,
			:The place to suggest this, ], is ]. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	At ], I proposed the addition of a new, straightforward parameter to the Train infobox template. I don't have the skills needed to implement the change, so I asked for help (on 24 October). However, nobody has responded. Is it possible to establish contact through the Teahouse with someone who has the skills? Cheers,&nbsp;Simon&nbsp;–&nbsp;] ] at 10:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
			::Thanks,
			::Nadav ] (]) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] pretty sure this falls under ] ] (]) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::{{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. ] (]) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a ], but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the ] that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ] (]) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Shortened forms list ==
	:@] why not try it for yourself in {{tl|infobox train/sandbox}}, check it works and doesn't break anything against some testcases, and establish how the template documentation would need updating. Then if it's all working properly ask for someone to copy the code over to the live template. If you're prepared to do the legwork, then I'll do the last part for you. ] (]) 11:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. ], ])? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. <span style="color:#9400D3;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== View deleted article records ==
			:Hello @]. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	Would like to ask for help, if I want to see a record of an article being retained that was previously deleted, where can I see it? This article was previously recommended for deletion but was retained and I'm interested in the reason it was recommended for deletion so I'd like to view it. Thanks! ] (]) 11:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey, how about ] or ] and might be an idea to work out something for ] ] (]) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Creating a new page ==
	:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you go to the main Articles for Deletion page (shortcut: ]) you'll see a navigation menu, allowing you to look through past deletion discussions, or search for a keyword in an article title.
	:Maybe this page will give you what you seek: ].
	:I remember an article I created when I first started here about a botanist called William Hunt Painter being put up for a deletion discussion, but which was quickly retained. Just by typing 'Painter' into the search box I found the article immediately and the discussion that took place about it's retention or deletion.
	:Looking back through past deletion discussions - whether successful or otherwise, is an extremely good way of learning how the process does (or doesn't work), and how editors work together to decide on an article's fate. Hope this helps. Regards, ] (]) 12:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you! It's very helpful ~ I'd also like to ask where the records Wiki：Proposed deletion located if I want to see them?Is this visible?Extremely grateful ] (]) 13:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Hello, @]. I don't believe there is any such place to view ] discussions, because there is no such discussion! A proposed deletion is added to an article, and (nearly) anybody may contest it by removing the proposal. ] (]) 16:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::ok！thank you for your answer～ ] (]) 16:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do ] (]) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== "Deprecated" vs "last updated" ==
			:Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? ] (]|]) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	I'm updating the ] article, and I've come across a terminology problem. The language was last updated , and modern macOS no longer supports the bridge, replacing it with RubyMotion. However, there are no official sources declaring it deprecated. Should I add "deprecated" in the beginning and change the article to past tense, or should I keep the tense the same and add "last updated in 2015"? Would calling it deprecated be original research? ] (]) 13:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at ]. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a ], but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. ]|] 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@] Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to ], a different person. To start over, use ] to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. ] (]) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. ] (]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@] If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft '''Isabel Myers (actress)''', since the subject of the existing article, ], is a writer. <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::<small>@], I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you ''may'' disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
			:::::For your second point, you can ] an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. </small> ] (]) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
			::::The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by ] it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
			::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
			::::When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating ] (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is '''much''' harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out ''all'' the issues about naming it. OK? ] (]) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks I will try my best. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== adding a clarification in response to a user request ==
	:Even if it is technically deprecated, Misplaced Pages follows the premise of "]". If it hasn't been published by a reliable source yet, we can't put it as deprecated or it would be original research. So, you should likely keep the tense as the same and add "last updated in 2015" unless you're able to find another source confirming it's deprecated. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 14:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::@] Whoops, forgot to ping. Apologies. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 14:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Thank you! ] (]) 18:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the ] for clarification, or leave it there? ] (]) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Creating a Deleted Page ==
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a {{how}} template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. ]|] 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	I want to create a Page named '']'' but when i goto the WP:Article for Creation Process the Page was deleted previously. I want to ask that can i create this Page because i like this television series and i want to create the article on Misplaced Pages. Please Guide me. ] (]) 15:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== What is sandbox and how should I use it? ==
	:@]: Hi there! If you were involved in the previous version and are trying to violate a block or ban, then please stop. If not, then I suggest you first gather your multiple independent ] that provide significant coverage about the television series. If you can find such sources, then follow the instructions at ] to create a draft based on those sources and submit it for the AfC process. Happy editing! ] (]) 16:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			How can I use sandbox ] (]) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How do I mark a page for speedy deletion, please? ==
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at ]: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. ] (]) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	The page "https://simple.wikipedia.org/Manorial_Title_Register_Limited" is an advert pure and simple. They are selling bogus titles. The Director claims to be the "Earl of Dunbar" (which has been extinct for 100s of years). The only reference is to their own advertising page. The other reference link is broken. Thank You ] (]) 15:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Short and simple: ] — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --] (]) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Error with interlanguage link template ==
	:The Simple English Misplaced Pages is a separate project; I'm not entirely sure that they have the same processes we do. ] (]) 15:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:You can use a tool such as ] but please make sure you read the guidelines of the deletion on the simple english wikipedia. I have placed the speedy deletion for you on the article ] ] 15:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you so much. ] (]) 18:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Page now deleted! ] (]) 20:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			So while editing ], I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? ] (]) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Am I trying too hard on something? ==
			:Hi {{u|Thehistorianisaac}}. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of ]. If you look at the syntax for the {{para|Secondary governing body}} parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{tlx|ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a ]. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at ]; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to ] the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- ] (]) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Ok thank you ] (]) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}}. The documentation for the parameter at ] says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. ] (]) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::thanks ] (]) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}} If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. ] (]) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Can someone help fix ] ==
	I'm currently working on making a ], and I plan to make a section about every storm and outbreak seen in ]. There are like 100 entries in the category and it's taking forever, so I am wondering if I should just choose two or three of the biggest/deadliest events from each decade, submit it to AfC, then come back and add the smaller ones later to make the list comprehensive. ] | ] 15:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Hello everyone, Can someone help fix ]. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. As your own draft states, there have been 4,200 tornadoes in that state since 1950. So, yes, I think you could be trying to hard. It would be impracticable to cover so many events in one list. Making it clear by expanding the lead to say that the page lists only the most significant of these events would make a lot of sense. Set out the criteria for inclusion and stick to it. Are there similar articles for other states? If so, how have they approached this matter? If you know how many tornadoes impacted within each decade, that might be a worthwhile fact to highlight, too. Regards, ] (]) 20:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::there is a few lists for states such as Ohio, but that one misses so many major storms and is obviously a WIP. I want my article to be good from the start, so I am adding 3 of the most important events from each decade and I'll let other people fill in the smaller outbreaks after the article goes through AfC ] | ] 20:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually ] (]) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== When is it appropriate to add (no relation)? ==
			::@] FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] Get to $1200 manually ] (]) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@] What exactly is $1200? ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@]: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: {{welcometea}} If the issue is technical, the folks over at ] may be better equipped to address it. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@] I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Joseph A. Tunzi ==
	I was thinking of changing, in the article ], the line "In 1954, Harlan Ellison – inspired by the ]-themed novels of ]" to "In 1954, Harlan Ellison – inspired by the ]-themed novels of ](no relation) – "
			How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for ] ] (]) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	I had a moment of confusion/curiosity upon reading that Harlan Ellison's first novel was inspired by someone with the same surname as him, as many readers might. Is there a policy or a manual of style that explains when this (no relation) parenthetical might be used? ] (]) 17:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello @]. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).{{pb}}But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, {{u|Daryl77}}. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? ] (]) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is '''''REQUIRED''''' before you keep editing. ] (]) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::How do you do that? ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] Please see ]. ]'']'' 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? ] (]) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Use the COI template at your user page, specifically ] to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{u|Daryl77}}, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. ] (]) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, ''Elvis International Forum''. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, ''Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977'' I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. ] (]) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. ] (]) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	edit: I now see that their surnames aren't exactly the same, but I suppose the question still stands ] (]) 17:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			== How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed? ==
	:@] I don't think there's a specific guide anywhere, but I can see the confusion that'd give. For people with the same surname then it'd probably be better to add an ] to point out that there's no relation. ]'']'' 17:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Interestingly, ] discusses the fact that the two authors were often confused. ] (]) 17:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I've done so, and got to practice making a footnote, thank you. ] (]) 18:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::I think the clarification is particularly appropriate in this instance. Firstly, writers often use partial variations of their usual name as pseudonyms; and secondly, Harlan Ellison also wrote works about juvenile delinquency. The question of their possible identity is bound to arise in many readers' minds (I know it once did in mine). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 21:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? ] (]) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	== SIXFOOT 5 Page Deletion Question ==
			:Hello, {{u|The2gingerman}}. As the header of a current draft says: {{tpq|This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review.}} High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. ] (]) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
			:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
			:In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added '''far''' more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ] (]) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you, @], I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a '''large''' reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. ] (]) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{u|The2gingerman}} Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy ] advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (]), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. ] (]) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== adding secondary sources ==
	Hi there - I'm wondering if you could give me more information about why 'SIXFOOT 5' Misplaced Pages page was deleted:
			In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)
	https://en.wikipedia.org/User:CarsonRammelt/sandbox
			]
	I'm SIXFOOT 5, I'm a notable figure in the music industry and have worked with a number of artists who have their own Misplaced Pages pages. My sources included People Magazine and ABC News. ] (]) 19:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			<blockquote>In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN ] since 1987.</blockquote>
	:Hello. It says it was deleted as a user request. You can recover it by going to ].
	:People do not "have Misplaced Pages pages" here, that they wrote, own, and control. Misplaced Pages has '''articles about''' musicians that ]. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, see the ]. A Misplaced Pages article summarizes what independent ] say about the topic, not what it says about itself. Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. ] (]) 19:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:There is also a draft article located at ]. -- ]-'']'' -- 20:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Thank you ] (]) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Userboxes and adding images to profile ==
			:Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. ] (]) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi y’all! I’d like to know how to add userboxes and images? I’m very new but I’d like to learn and understand the editing process better so I can make my profile and edits better! Thank you! :D ] (]) 20:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Ok, got it - thank you! ] (]) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hang on, @]: @] described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, ''if'' Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a ]: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a ]. ] has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ] (]) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. ] (]) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Oh I see. I assumed from @]'s description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @]. ] (]) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?
			:Sir ] ] ] suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s ''Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities'' masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor ==
	:@] Welcome! ] page might be helpful. ] (]) 20:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::thank you so much!!! i promise to do my best!! ] (]) 20:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I read through the page for ] and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies ] (]) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Userboxes ==
			:Hey @]
	How do userboxes work? I'm relatively new to wikipedia and i'd like someone the explain how to do it in simple terms or just help me learn at least.
			:The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which ] isn't optimized for. ] (]) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. ] (]) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation ==
	Thanks if you help (Yes i'm talking to you), ] (]) 20:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? ] (]) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:the page ] goes over their usage ]<sup>]</sup> 20:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi @]. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at ], but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. ]&nbsp;] 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). ] (]) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{u|Kinfolx1114}}, please be aware that ] was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read ]. ] (]) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). ] (]) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Hello @]. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) ] (]) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Hello, thank you for providing this, @]. This is very helpful. ] (]) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. ] (]) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Hi @]Hmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! ] (]) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' {{ping|Kinfolx1114}} They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:<small>The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. ] (]) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
			::@] Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! ] (]) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox? ==
	== SANDBOX. As a rookie, I started editing the suggested article and was blocked from publishing it. I have since been directed to create my sand box. Now I need instructions on getting this article into my sandbox. I have reread all the tutorials and have yet to find those instructions. How do I get the article I started editing into my sand box? ==
			I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ] ] 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	SANDBOX. As a rookie, I started editing the suggested article and was blocked from publishing it. I have since been directed to create my sand box. Now I need instructions on getting this article into my sandbox. I have reread all the tutorials and have yet to find those instructions. How do I get the article I started editing into my sand box? ] (]) 21:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi @], your question seems to be connected to to ]. That edit made no sense, that's why it was reverted. I suggest that you learn more about editing, such as by completing ], and practice small edits and corrections before attempting to rewrite an article. ]&nbsp;] 21:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:This link will take you to the sandbox page you created: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:UDCIDE/sandbox
	:Article content is text. Click 'Edit' near the top of an article's page. Copy a chunk of the article that you want to experiment with from the left column. This includes all of the special characters that handle formatting and links.
	:Go to your sandbox page. Click 'Edit'. Paste the text you copied into the left column. The right column should show the results of the new text/edits. ] (]) 22:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::You should not copy an article into your Sandbox to work on it. It is appropriate to copy a portion of an article into your Sandbox, edit there, provide references if you are adding new information, and then paste the revised content into the article. ] (]) 23:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Thanks so much. I reread all the tutorials and never found your instructions. Thanks, again. ] (]) 00:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ] (]) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Can I draft an article about myself and get it published on this site? ==
			:Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional ] (]) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ] ] 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Please help me get my translation of a French page published ==
	Hi Everyone,
			Hi everyone, happy new year!
	I am new here and I want to contribute a page of my own life story, but it may not work with the management since they prefer to have someone else to write about it. That's my understanding, but what if a person wants to do what I want with integrity and facts? I am trying to establish just one short page on the topic to start later edits by other editors. Thank you, ] (]) 22:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal
	: Hi {{u|Allpeoplearepeopleofcolor}}. I suggest you take a look at ], ] and ] because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Misplaced Pages and how it works. -- ] (]) 22:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here:
	::To succeed, a draft submitted to AfC for review must have content verified by references to succeed. You are prohibited from creating a draft about yourself based on what you know to be true with the hope that other editors will provide the references (if there are any). ] (]) 23:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal
	::Hi Marchjuly, thank you for your suggestion. I've checked the contents you suggested me to look into and I gathered that there would be no chance for anyone to contribute their biography on Misplaced Pages. The only way apparent to me now is that other people who are willing to cover someone who are noted write a piece about that individual. Am I not misunderstanding now? ] (]) 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::In addition @]
	:::I feel there is need for you to understand basic editing, See ] before creating articles as this can be very difficult for beginners who just joined the project. ] (]) 05:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::You're not quite understanding. People who are truly notable ''can'' write biographies about themselves and have them published, and some have. But this is hard to do when you have a conflict of interest, as we all do about ourselves.
	:::See ]. That is what's required, in a nutsheell. Are there published reliable sources that are ''independent'' of you, providing ''significant coverage'' of you? If there are multiple such sources, then yes, you can write a biography citing them. The biography cannot use any information other than what is published, so you cannot write what you know, you must write what has been covered. ~] <small>(])</small> 05:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance!
	== Linking to countries wikipedia pages ==
			Emilie ] (]) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, {{u|Emelie1111}}. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, ] and ]. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello {{u|Emilie111}}. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. ] (]) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:], another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with {{Tpq|In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.}}; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- ] (]) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	I am new to Misplaced Pages editing and trying the easy edits it is suggesting, I am unsure and confused of what needs to be linked and what dosent. I am not sure if the countries of the reciepients needs to be linked.
			::More info can be found at ], especially regarding attribution etc. ] (]) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Allowed links ==
	Any help would be great--thanks.] ] (]) 23:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hi and welcome, @]! Take a look at ], particularly the sections '''What generally should be linked''' and '''What generally should not be linked'''. Those should help you. ]&nbsp;] 23:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you @], as the countries don't really relate to the topic, I think I will leave them out. ] (]) 23:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. Well done for starting with some learning opportunities.
	:The answer (as so often) will depend on the case. But ] gives a useful guide. ] (]) 23:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you,@] I have looked at the Linking guide. ] (]) 23:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			What links are allowed in articles? ] (]) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== SS War Criminal ==
			:Hello @]. See ]. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the ], which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like ] can be used to demonstrate notability. ] (]) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::So, it can be news or a YouTube link? ] (]) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see ]. {{tq|Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability.}} ] (]) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 ] (]) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, @]. I think ] might be more helpful to you. ] (]) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Edit Quality "Perfect"? ==
	Hello ,
	My husband Paul Fulde and I are trying to do research into the activities of his Paternal Grandfather , Dr. Paul Fulde . We recently discovered in a book , "Himmlers Kinder" , written by Dr. Thomas Bryant that Dr. Paul Fulde of Schwerin-Lubeck was a favoured consultant to Heinrich Himmler . Furthermore that Dr. Paul Fulde was an Obersturmbahnfuhrer in the SS and was personally appointed by Himmler to head the Nazi breeding program of "Lebensborn" for all of North East Germany. Dr. Paul Fulde's high SS rank gave him jurisdiction over the Concentration Camps, Euthanization hospitals, Death Factories , Polish Slave Labour etc etc.
	His son , Dr. Heinz-Jurgen Fulde assisted him in some projects though he was a medical student at the time but still had to do his duty in the Wehrmacht. I know that he adored his father Paul and would go to the camps with him to choose laborers for their estates. The older Fulde daughters had married SS Officers who owned estates in the Schwerin-Lubeck region.
	Dr. Paul Fulde went into hiding immediately after Germany's capitulation and it was alleged that he committed suicide. His son Dr. HJ Fulde was a POW in Britain and was exonerated after 1945 when so many SS were set free and never brought to justice. Dr. Heinz-Jurgen Fulde practised medicine in Doncaster UK and after the Labour Party won the elections , Dr. HJ Fulde went to Nova Scotia Canada in 1967. He established his medical practice and practiced until his death in 1999.
	Dr. HJ Fulde was a very secretive and manipulative man ; a controlling, silently bullying husband and unloving father. Home-life was a cold and dysfunctional.
	When his son Paul dated and eventually married me , Dr. HJ was contemptuous of my social background which was lower middle class and he was especially derogatory of my Hungarian ancestry. That aroused my curiosity and suspicions. It took many years for my husband and I to do serious research.
	When Dr. Heinz-Jurgen Fulde died in 1999 he had already disowned and disinherited us. justifying it all with false accusations and running vicious smear campaigns behind our backs. He enriched his second wife , Ann Beverly Trask , by approximately 1.3 million dollars.
	We were left destitute at the time and survived only because of the kind assistance of good friends. His younger son , Clive , committed suicide ; his 3 children , the only Fulde bloodline grandchildren were also left nothing. Dr. HJ Fulde believed all of us to be "genetically defective".
	His then wife Ann Trask shared his beliefs in Eugenics , White Supremacy and Class Elitism.
	She gave him the flattery and adoration that he constantly craved. We DID NOT share his beliefs.
	As the Patriarch , Dr. Paul Fulde was such an important adviser on Eugenics and "Racial Hygeine" to Heinrich Himmler we are surprised that so little is written about him and that he isn't featured in any documentaries about that era.
	We have contacted two prominent Jewish organizations and other researchers and yet there is hardly anything about Dr. Paul Fulde , Dermatologist , SS Obersturmbahnfuhrer , Schwerin Germany.
	We would greatly appreciated any assistance whatsoever.
	Sincerely ,
	Christine and Paul Fulde ] (]) 07:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello. All that intricate detail that you deposited above is not what the Teahouse is for. The purpose of the Teahouse is to ask and answer questions about editing Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages does not base content on family anecdotes, no matter how dark. Acceptable Misplaced Pages articles summarize the significant coverage that reliable, independent published sources say about the topic. Wikipededia editors are forbidden by policy from engaging in the type of original research you describe above. Please read ] for a more detailed explanation. ] (]) 07:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:This is Misplaced Pages, an encyclopedia; and more specifically this particular page is one in which people may ask questions about their use of Misplaced Pages. Your task is very different, and I don't know where you might ask. -- ] (]) 07:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)		On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? ] (]) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: So according to, ], {{tq|You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, '''your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted)''', among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.}}. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? ] (]) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] You can get a pretty good idea using ] and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is . That says that none of yours have been, unlike where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. ] (]) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Changing my page name ==		== Article ==
	I made my first page but it says USER : BLANK BLANK SANDBOX....HELP ] (]) 07:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)		My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P ] (]) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Blackmoonheart}}, your page is located at ]. It is improperly referenced, promotional and not suitable as an encyclopedia article at this time. Please read ] to learn what is required. ] (]) 07:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Do not submit for review until content is properly referenced. Delete all content for which references cannot verify. ] (]) 11:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now ] you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. ] (]) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Help to get my wikipedia page approved ==
			:Hello @], and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at ], I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's ]. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the ] (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "{{tq|articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.}}". I'd advise seeing ] for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.
			:Looking at one of your submissions, ], the two sources provided are a ] entry, which is not considered reliable per the ] guideline because it is user generated (See ]), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide ] of the topic either.
			:Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. ] (]) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per ]. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for ], then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per ].
			:::—] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at ]. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. ] sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. ] tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, ] Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to ]. Hope that helps. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that ] can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album ] should be nominated for deletion. Same for ], a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. ] (]) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.
			:::::::Best Regards ] (]) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles? ==
	Hi, I'm doing a project here on wikipedia with my group, on an Italian Hiking trail and via ferrata, the draft page is called Bove Path.
	I need help to have this page accepted before 31 of December and if there is something to modify ill do it.&nbsp;] (]) 08:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article ] (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. ] (]) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Misplaced Pages ], and is frankly not concerned with deadlines imposed on editors by others/outside forces. The draft is at ]. You have submitted it for review and it is pending. We cannot guarantee a timeframe for review or a speedy review. Please be patient.
	:If this is a school project, your instructors have given you a poor assignment and put you in a difficult position. Instructors should not be requiring the creation/approval of a Misplaced Pages article for a grade. ] (]) 09:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:@] The article has now been accepted at ]. My suggestion would be to expand the ] to include a summary of some of the other main topics of the article. A couple more paragraphs could easily be justified. ] (]) 11:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Welcome to the Teahouse, @]. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to ]), many URLs end up rotting (] and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I ''highly'' advise you see ] and ] for more information. Thanks. —] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:], it's clear that a lot of work has gone into this page; and my first impression is that it's good of its kind. But I note: "Before starting the trail, it is essential to consult the relevant authorities for updates on closed shelters or dried-up water sources"; and "This section has limited water sources, so hikers should bring sufficient supplies." It seems that here you're having Misplaced Pages give advice. Now, it seems to be very important advice, perhaps even life-saving advice; but Misplaced Pages doesn't give advice. (By contrast, if you were to say for example "In 2021 a group of six walkers had to be evacuated by helicopter; a hospital spokesperson said that dehydration was a danger and advised walkers to carry at least two litres when temperatures are forecast to exceed 27°C", of course with a reliable source, this would be OK, as you wouldn't be implying that the advice came from Misplaced Pages.) -- ] (]) 11:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			::{{reply-to|icePrettyFlower}} I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.
	::While it is now an accepted article, many paragraphs do not have references. References can be used more than once. ] (]) 12:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			::My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.
	:::From the quality of the writing, I have a suspicion that some has been copied verbatim from references. (I hope this is not true.) ] (]) 12:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{tl|dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
	::::I did check it with earwig before accepting. ] (]) 13:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Lead is too short. It could use a paragraph on the history and another for a lightly detailed description of the trail (length, elevation gained/lost, difficulty, options for hiking just sections rather than all of it, etc. Existing refs can be used in Lead but not required. No content or refs in Lead that are not used elsewhere in article in more detail. ] (]) 12:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Wikitext ==
	== How do I request a move on Misplaced Pages? ==
			I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a ] ] ] 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	] gives you a guide on requesting a ], but it isn’t clear enough for me to request. How do I request it? ] (]) 12:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] I'm not really sure what you mean, but ] has instructions for creating new userboxes. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Which page do you want moved to which title? ] (]) 13:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the <nowiki> tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}}</nowiki > ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you ] ] 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] ] is nice and generates something like {{tl|Example}} for example or use ] for the code/outpout: {{markup|
			<nowiki>{{Example}}</nowiki>|{{Example}}}}<!-- Template:Mra --> ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) ] ] 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Weird message on my talk page from IP user ==
			== User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles ==
	an IP (2003:DE:E714:EA46:83D:9568:35AD:7CE8) left a weird string of gibberish on my Talk page. what should I do about it? I'm going to delete it, of course, but should this go to ANI or something? ] | ] 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			A user created ], and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: ]
	:@] Seasons Greetings from the Teahouse! I see you've already removed it, but, no, ANI would not be appropriate. This user made just two random edits - for what reason, we've no idea. Test edit? Error? Vandalism? You've reverted it. Great. That's all you need to do. I always check a user's contributions to see if they're doing it to others. . Nor is their IPv6 address , which is always worth checking. So, just walk away and ignore it, unless it happens again. It's never worth ].
	:But, even then, this would be a case of disruption or vandalism, were the pattern to be repeated elsewhere. So, then you warn the user (Twinkle is a very easy tool for automating that process). Having warned them, check if they continue their behaviour. If they do so, warn them again, but with a higher level template and, if they still continue, report them at ], not ANI, as that's the place for vandals to be assessed and blocked if they're continuing to be disruptive. I hope this helps. ] (]) 14:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	::thank you ] | ] 14:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. ] (]) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Need help in improving page "REPowerEU" ==
			:It's on some unusual articles too, . Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. ] (]) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:See ]. -- ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. ] (]) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Template now deleted. ] (]) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Should I add something ==
			On my draft, ], I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian ]. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? ] | ] 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi {{ping|ApteryxRainWing|label=Roar with me!!!}} How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a <nowiki>{{efn|The pre-1950....}}</nowiki> tag to show a note at the end of the article with <nowiki>{{notelist}}</nowiki> to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notability of electoral divisions ==
			Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. ] (]) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Afaik, We do not have something specific, but ] might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) ] (]) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. ] (]) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable.}} - ] -- ]-'']'' -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Deleting a draft ==
			I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?] (]) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{tl|db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ] (]) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:::Yes, that's right. ] (]) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Great thanks for your help!] (]) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Paragraph break gets overriden ==
			I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?
			] ] (]) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{ping|DieHoren}} I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{tl|pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the <nowiki>{{pb}}</nowiki> template. ] (]) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|DieHoren}} The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see ]) so I made another fix. ] (]) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. ] (]) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do ==
			Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:
			I was editing page of ] and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667
			Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.
			As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)
			I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac ] used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.
			Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.
			I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. ] (]) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at ], you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of ] open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an ] is: '''don't'''! ] (]) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi {{ping|Sobek2000}} I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like ] or ]. Thanks. ] (]) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Thank you! ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Random pages with no sources ==
			Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this ] and this ] (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. ] (]) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), ] appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. ] (]) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are the icons so weird ==
			I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so?
			I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ] (]) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I don't know why, {{U|IsaqueCar}}. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- ] (]) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. Until I searched and found ] I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.
			:If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at ]. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant ], is the best place to bring the matter up. ] (]) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@]: I looked for ], which was more enlightening.
			::@]: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? ] (]) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ] (]) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. ] (]) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."
			::Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ] (]) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ] (]) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Opinion? ==
			Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.
			] ] (]) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? ] (]) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. ] (]) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. ] (]) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. ] (]) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, {{U|Hartnana13}}. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Lua error ==
			Could someone have a look at ], please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following , but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. ] (]) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: The problem here was with ] itself. {{no ping|Ahecht}} fixed it. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks, both. ] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP? ==
			I was reading ] and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? ] (]) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is '''"Is WIkipedia banned in France?"''' <br /> <br />
			:The answer is no. I'm a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in French"''' and a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in English"'''.
			:There are not any language version banned in French Republic. <br /> <br />
			:If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. ] (]) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Albert 'Kid' Lloyd ==
			I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:You wrote a draft on your user page, ]. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to ], pronto.) -- ] (]) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Step 1:
			:Click on the red link: ].
			:Step 2:
			:Paste in your information from your talk page.
			:Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. ] (]) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:From the user page, ], not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) {{U|TamaRock}}, I have moved it to ]. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- ] (]) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Requesting a peer review ==
			Hi,
			I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the ] talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link.
			Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page?
			Thank you/sorry! ~~ ] (]) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello @]! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at ]? ''']''' (]) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … ] (]) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. ''']''' (]) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. ] (]) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. ''']''' (]) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics? ==
			Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. ] (]) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. ''']''' (]) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the ] area. ] (]) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles. ==
			It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn.
			https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp
			How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as ]?&nbsp;] (]) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press ] source that needs corroboration and discussion in ] sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a ]. ] (]) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks ] (]) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] You can try asking for input at ]. ] (]) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page ==
			So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? ] (]) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Ask at ]. ] (]) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy? ==
			I'm planning to add subsections to ] about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:
			*] use "Legacy and influences", ] use "Influence and legacy"
			*] use "Legacy"
			*], ], and ] use "Cultural Impact"
			Which one should I use? ] (]) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. ]|] 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.
			::@] I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section. <br /> <br />
			::Some ressources about how to use secondary sources : <br /> <br />
			::1.]
			::2.]
			::3.] ] (]) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found ] via the more generic ]. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Translation and references issue ==
			https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Christine_Meyer
			This artist was marked as missing in the https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Women_in_rock_music and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post.
			Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) ] (]) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it ] (]) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks! ] (]) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
			:When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the ]? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and ], and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.
			:In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original ] meet the criteria of ]).
			:Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ] (]) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. ] (]) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. Regional newspapers are often ], but the source needs to be ] and have ] of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.
			:::If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either ] or ], then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], and no article is possible. ] (]) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Editing question ==
			Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:Hey @], you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. ] (]) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks ] (]) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: {{welcometea}} I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as ], and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) ] (]) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Got it thanks. ] (]) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". ] (]) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notability ==
			Is he notable ] ? ] (]) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Yes, ] appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. ] (]) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::What about sources doesn’t meet ] ] (]) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:
			*"": a mere interview. (Even its title doesn't make sense to me, though perhaps "with an entertainer" was intended to mean "as an actor". Note that I'm linking to a ] scrape of the page linked to in the reference.)
			*"": A mere interview.
			*"": "''X'' takes ''Y'' by storm" is a cliché of promotional junk; this piece is no exception.
			*"": A mere interview.
			*"": Based on an interview.
			*: In Telugu, which I cannot read. If Google Translate can be trusted, this is a rather lightweight review of one film in which Chetan Maddineni appears. It's not junk, but it says little about him.
			''None'' of these six sources counts toward evidence of ]. For all I know, ''other'' sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, ]? -- ] (]) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How does editor classification work? ==
			how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ] (]) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ] (]) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"
			::"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ] (]) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ] (]) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Not aware either, ] page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. ] (]) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ] (]) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). ] (]) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:] uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The ] describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, ] (]) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Article classes ==
			Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. ] (]) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to Teahouse, see ]. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! ] (]) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Needing help with contest ==
			I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ] (]) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello and welcome, {{u|IsaqueCar}}! To sign up, go to ] and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the ] first, and happy (copy)editing! ] (]) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How to add a category to a page/talk page ==
			Hi,
			I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code.
	Hi everyone, I am a student in Catholic University of Louvain recently trying to write article on "REPowerEU" need your guidance to improve it, if you could guide me that would be great.
			According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time ] (]) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	Regards ] (]) 14:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be <nowiki> ]</nowiki> ] (]) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:I will make some formatting changes, but I don't know enough about the subject to evaluate what text and sources you've added to ] in revision ].
			::Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.
	:For that matter, none of the Teahouse regulars know how your assignments are graded; in that respect, perhaps your instructor or any ] are the better people to ask? ] (] '''·''' ]) 16:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Do you have any suggestions?
			::] (]) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
			:::The Wikicode <nowiki>]</nowiki> may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.
			:::If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "<nowiki>]"</nowiki> statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.
			:::Does that answer your question? ] (]) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::If not then please link the page and name the category. ] (]) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Managed it eventually! ] (]) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. ] (]) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== R-Salt ==
	== Why does Sivapithecini redirect to Ponginae? ==
			This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	As far as i know, ] and ] are two completely different tribes. Why is it a redirect??? ] (]) 14:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{u|PersonOnAPlatform}}: according to ], Ponginae is a subfamily, containing the tribes Sivapithecini and Pongini. ] (]) 15:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Feedback on Draft? ==
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's ''possible'' that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.
	Hoping this might be a place where someone might offer a bit of feedback on ] to see if there are any issues, formatting or content related - or anything else that seems problematic.
			:There is a recognised place for requesting articles, ]; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that ''might'' work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps ]: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.
			:Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish ]) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ] (]) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to ], which I just turned blue. ] (]) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Youtube ==
	If not please advise any alternative. Thanks in advance!
	] (]) 15:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)		If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? ] (]) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:To get feedback you need to submit ] for review but I can tell you now that IMDb and Discogs are NOT reliable independent sources. ] (]) 15:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks for this quick note. Will have to eliminate/replace IMDb and Discogs links and citations then. A bit challenging since about 1/2 of our references come from them. Good to know this would be a problem though (in advance!) ] (]) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Copy-Editing ==
			::Thank you, but in ''name of the website'' do i put the publisher, or YouTube? ] (]) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the ''via'' parameter. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hi {{u|WikiPhil012}}. You should probably take a look at ] and ] before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (]), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in ]. -- ] (]) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== promotional template ==
	Hi Teahouse, Quick question. Should an aircraft's name be in ''Italics''? I wasn't able to find anything in the ], In the article I am working on ] it is inconsistent. Cheers, ] (]) 15:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
	:] says to italicize the proper names of aircraft. ]&nbsp;] 16:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			can white44tree please add ] template to ] article on wikipedia? ] (]) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== DRAFT PAGE UNIVERSITY PROJECT ==
			:Well i added the promotional template. ] ] 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello, i'm actually working on the draft page "Villa Fraccaroli" for a university project, i need the page to be accepted before the 31 of december, i was wondering if you could look at it, and if there's something to improve, i can work on it.
			::Does the content appear promotional? -- ]-'']'' -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thank you in advance!
	Micol&nbsp;] (]) 16:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)		:::Oh yea... removed it sorry ] ] 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Vacuity (see the article, and ]) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- ] (]) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? RATHOMP (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.

More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from The Beatles to Sepultura ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use {{infobox musical artist}} and fill out the template using it's template page at Template:Infobox musical artist. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.

Thanks, Sparkle and Fade _edits 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how can I rigth a article in wikipedia

how can I rigth Daniel Muanga (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Article wizard

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. David notMD (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

See referencing for beginners. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. Cwater1 (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

Is Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please consult Misplaced Pages:FINDAGRAVE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the WP:USERGENERATED section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on Andrew Stephen Wilson today, so that's why I chose that example.. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do!

I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, this typo team), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found this Growth page, but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use Special:NewcomerTasksInfo"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? SKM (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Skmccormick. As a volunteer project, you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the Guild of Copy Editors and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol Special:RecentChanges and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. Tarlby 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Skmccormick

• You should find display user homepage at the bottom of Special:Preferences, "User profile" tab.
• If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be Misplaced Pages talk:Typo Team.
• Have you found WP:TASKS and WP:REQUEST? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. SKM (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Skmccormick, do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to WP:TASKS). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). SKM (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm a fan of Category:Misplaced Pages introduction cleanup as a newbie task - not small, exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to WP:BEBOLD. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Different images for Light/Dark mode

Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. CrushedAsian255 (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@CrushedAsian255 This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@CrushedAsian255, you can use {{dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See DistroKid and YouTube; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. TeoTB (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Wider vs specific consensus

Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPP. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @ExclusiveEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of wikilawyering).

I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening here. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages?100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?-20241231074800">

I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the upload page. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (1, 2), so it must be possible.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?"> 100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?">

@Toast for Teddy This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Toast for Teddy That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Even if you're uploading "locally", Commons:Upload tools is likely helpful. All the projects use the same MediaWiki software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling

Hi there! I was editing my sandbox and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Andrea Biographer: it seems that with this edit you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DoubleGrazing, thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at Draft:Gridspertise. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how to give feedback

i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature. thanks Mommer264 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.

Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is a topic area with special rules that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that State of Palestine is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not interested in editing wikipedia If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, talk pages are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general Internet forums for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even help direct you to some of them. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at WP:Welcome. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

VisualEditor

I've just changed my Preferences > Editing

Turned on "Enable the visual editor" (which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)

But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.

I've looked at Help:VisualEditor and it says (Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).

But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've found out, reading Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).

After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON

and the press "save" button at the bottom.

Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".

It's not easy to find out. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

But, @Centrodiurnomilano, do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Cowboygilbert . I've tried in main space and the in user space. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error)

Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.

This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.

The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.

Bell Labs record

Article about this record

Sample of this sound

What do you think of this? ZetaformGames (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ZetaformGames, welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for Intercept message or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! Justiyaya 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ZetaformGames (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Maryam Mirzakhani

Can someone fix the error in the Maryam Mirzakhani article?

Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g} . In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:No original research. Ideally, you're going to need to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; even if you know such changes to be true, you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a WP:PRIMARY source and could have other issues as explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You could also try asking about this at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC);post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at WP:VPT than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?

Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, WP:VPT is a better place to ask about this.

@Marchjuly. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction ColinFine. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability.

Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask: I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from Hurricane Maria to now since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur. Cheers! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy David notMD (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.

Note, to the anonymous editor: if you create an account you get your own shiny neato userspace to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!

(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the California energy crisis, but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having its own municipal utility with its own generation capacity!) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Note to User:Slowking Man: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at WP:YFA to create a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is Special:MyPage/sandbox, which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @BusterD suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! Atheions (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

On the other hand, User:Slowking Man is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with User:David notMD that WP:YFA is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have created one. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. Atheions (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages?

Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages Aaronfart14 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about your game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See H:YFA and WP:COI. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See WP:PROMOTION Meters (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Aaronfart14, the relevant content guideline is WP:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Writing about Childhood and Early Life

I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? Aharten97 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aharten97: It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see WP:V. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- zzuuzz 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What to write on your talk page?

Above question HELSINKI!233 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @HELSINKI!233. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at the guidelines for user pages. Schazjmd (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. David notMD (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Citations about movies

I'm trying to improve The Lincoln Lawyer (film)

1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?

2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)

Many thanks

Ben (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @Littenberg. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is user-generated. You can learn how to add citations at Easier Referencing for Beginners. Schazjmd (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I create a Misplaced Pages article

How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, @Красный Октябрь, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, please be aware that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is Extended confirmed, which means the account is over a month old (it is) and has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Then can someone else make an article about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Who do I ask about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the Russo-Ukrainian War before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

You could ask on Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.

I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in WP:RFED, making extra work for administrators. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected?

Sorry if this is the wrong place. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Heyaaaaalol, I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? BusterD (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Heyaaaaalol. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either WP:VPT or WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol: Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at phab:T12347 but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set wgEnableProtectionIndicators to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Multiple non-free album covers on one page

For the album Breakfast with Girls, there's an associated EP located at the section Brunch. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, Brunch's artwork (seen here) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a public domain text logo image in an infobox? Koopastar (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Koopastar, I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2. Happy editing! Justiyaya 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

afd

I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it 🐢 (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

History checker SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: Download as PDF (maybe see also Help:Export). Otherwise go to: CAT:RESTORE. --Slowking Man (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This appears to be about X11 color names, which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography?

Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through Articles for Creation with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. Cullen328 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through articles for creation and the editor should declare their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.

I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. CongressEdits is probably the closest to an example of this. Justiyaya 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as WP:NACADEMIC. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.

By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in Main namespace") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the Talk page for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.

b) No, no one "owns" articles and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "free as in freedom" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.

c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?

d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather WP:INVOLVED. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.

e) Have a look at WP:List of Wikipedians with articles. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject?

Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. FireBatV (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @FireBatV! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the Template:COI on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use Twinkle to tag it as well. TNM101 (chat) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! I've added the {{Template:COI}} to the page in question (Rhett Ayers Butler) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. FireBatV (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown"

i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! 89.128.137.159 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. qcne (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. Cwater1 (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The show button doesn't work on phone

Hi. Some articles have this dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), nothing happens. I don't know about desktop. Aminabzz (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Aminabzz, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I agree. If I look at Amathus, I get that box (from template {{expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.

However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.

This looks like a bug in the user interface: WP:VPT is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone?

Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".

But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.

Look at this for seeing the dotlines. Aminabzz (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Samsung devices with S Pen support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with NFC. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah this is a known problem for years. Abbr and friends use the standard HTML tags for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at WP:VPT whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)

In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some userscript someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one ) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aminabzz, Anachronist, and Slowking Man: I couldn't find any such script, so I made it. JJP_Master (she/they) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The latter. JJP_Master (she/they) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

GA Spotcheck

Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Appears that at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations, date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that is why I am asking. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@History6042, note 2 on the Misplaced Pages:Good article criteria page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

So it means Verifiable with no original research:

it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);

it contains no original research; and

it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The note says "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)." Schazjmd (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through this discussion on spot checks. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. Schazjmd (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/

I've been working on trying create an article (Draft:Millennium Force's effects) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.

So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info Original Research. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Therguy10 Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. Reliable sources are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See WP:42. Shantavira| 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Therguy10. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shantavira @ColinFine Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. Therguy10 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol Therguy10 (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the Ride experience section of Millennium Force? Schazjmd (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit everything inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Therguy10 Draft:Millennium Force's effects is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at fandom. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How do i delete a Wikepedia page?

a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools

how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Carlisle Public Schools is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the WP:AFD process. What you added to Carlisle, Massachusetts was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See Maynard, Massachusetts for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also Concord-Carlisle High School, but that has its own problems. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks! Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Theawezomefriend12: I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See WP:CWW for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- zzuuzz 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Theawezomefriend12: I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- zzuuzz 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi! PARIS

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the Draft:Hi! PARIS. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. 2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933 (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

On the AoPS Wiki go to special:move. I don't know bout wikipedia tho 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry its Special:MovePage 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Bonsoir, IP user.

73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the Move function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to Special:MovePage.

However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.

I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @Rosguill, was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space again by @Janhrach.

Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.

I am finding it very difficult to assume good faith. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. 2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4 (talk) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

AoPS page

Why isn't there a page for Art of Problem Solving? 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) and was either deleted altogether or added to Richard Rusczyk. Art of Problem Solving current WP:REDIRECTs to the "Rusczyk" article and its page history shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Art of Problem Solving (2nd nomination). If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is Liz. Perhaps by asking at User talk:Liz, Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS?

I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? 172.59.25.192 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages?

The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read WP:VANDALISM, and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (WP:SPOTVAN), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. Grimaceshakeohio (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

"Series of small edits"

I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: 1, 2, 3) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a talk page discussion I am currently engaged in? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, there's WP:Cautious, which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.

The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.

I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.

In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.

If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. MrOllie (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

There is not. Schazjmd (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Political Party Relations

Just like how we have Category:Sign language family tree templates, should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.

SPD

Spartacus League

KPD

SED

PDS

WASG

Die Linke

BSW

History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi History6042, that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Politics. Justiyaya 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do that, thanks. History6042😊 (Contact me) 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama Inquiries

This is regarding the article Liliget Feast House. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate Fair Use and Freedom of Panorama rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ornithoptera. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under Freedom of panorama#Canada which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also commons:COM:FOP Canada). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.

If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a non free file is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. Justiyaya 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Justiyaya, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D Justiyaya 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance Justiyaya, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages?

According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?

More information: The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked here. It also gave me a link to here. Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Красный Октябрь, welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @Q-bit array without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor meta:User talk:Q-bit array. Usually appeals without talk page access go through WP:UTRS but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. Justiyaya 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? Красный Октябрь (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello again, @Красный Октябрь I think the relevant section is ru:ВП:РАЗБЛОК. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. Красный Октябрь (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I messaged one of the stewards here. Thank you for helping me find where to ask! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. _signed, Rosguill 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Notice of geological updates

Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a recent update in the ICC Chronostratigraphic Chart (2024/12), compared to the previous version (2023/09), that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.

Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see WP:SOAPBOX). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — Alex26337 (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Alex26337, thank you for your question. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geology would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D Justiyaya 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Request to Update Image

I noticed that the current image used at Dadvan Yousuf is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.

I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to "Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.

Thanks.. Ayohama (talk) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ayohama, welcome to the teahouse! Although the image File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. Justiyaya 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood Ayohama (talk) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ayohama: I'd hold off in trying to use File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by Lonely34 until the claims of "own work" can be verified by c:COM:VRT. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with watermarks. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per c:COM:L and in such cases copyright holder consent needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Ayohama, even if the issues that Marchjuly describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement Ayohama (talk) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Agree with you Ayohama (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct Ayohama (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ayohama: The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the c:Template:Permission received added to each file's page will be changed to c:Template:PermissionTicket by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max Ayohama (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

According to List of Mount Everest summiters by frequency, more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Lonely34 claims of "own work" are now verified by c:COM:VRT. If you want, you can go ahead and place the File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. Ayohama (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft

Hello! I submitted a draft for Eugene Vollmer but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sammy Tremlinn, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. Cullen328 (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

List of newspapers in Fiji might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be Reliable sources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

New page

Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. Sup3rG33k08 (talk) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You can go to Requested articles, but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new article, but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent reliable sources to summarize in an article, and review the definition of a notable business to see if this business meets it(most do not).

If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles about companies need to comply with WP:NCORP and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album

Hello,

This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, So Close To What. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. Lashyurn (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Lashyurn, I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's LANA 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) Lashyurn (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Lashyurn, in that article, there were reliable sources that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D Justiyaya 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

These are my sources (and titles):

"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok

"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok

"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024

"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer

"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "It's ok I'm ok" music video

Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those Lashyurn (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @Lashyurn. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. qcne (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. Lashyurn (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered primary sources. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I suggest to wait till release too Ayohama (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon

Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice. This is the german article: Judith Kakon. Avaa Malula (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Avaa Malula It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's notability. Please read WP:YFA and WP:42. CommissarDoggo 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Judith Kakon has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Avaa Malula

It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:

1. Improving the Original Article: The German article you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:

- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.

- Including details about her important works or achievements.

2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:

- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).

- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.

- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.

3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the Misplaced Pages:Translation guidelines for details on how to do this properly.

4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:

- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.

- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.

- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.

If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. Ayohama (talk) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Last aired date in the future

This article revison SAS: Rogue Heroes revison of 02:04, 2 January 2025 has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? Dubidub (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

See WP:FUTURE - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. Ayohama (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I clean up formatting of tables?

On the Columbia University article, the Rankings section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? Doawk7 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I solved it by removing those images:) DMacks (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan

I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Are you asking about Nagorno-Karabakh conflict? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. Drmies (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • @Drmies I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
      • In that case, SimpleSubCubicGraph, you're talking about Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics, and good luck! Drmies (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages

I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? BigChrisKenney (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @BigChrisKenney. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tarlby 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Tarlby for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! BigChrisKenney (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Writer or Screenwriter?

Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife Patti Deutsch) and producer. Since there are other Donald Ross articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. Maineartists (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Maineartists, "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- Hoary (talk) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(writer) seems OK to me too Ayohama (talk) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Great. Thanks all. Maineartists (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services?

How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at WP:ANI or WP:COIN noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . TNM101 (chat) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (please do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):

• The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
• The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
• The article was created or heavily modified by a WP:SPA, which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
• The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
• The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is WP:PUFFERY. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider WP:DUE.
• The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
• The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
• The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
• The subject likely doesn't meet the WP:GNG but has been WP:REFBOMBed to give the appearance that it does.
• The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is WP:COI.
• The subject is not written about in a neutral way. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.

If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards TNM101 suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27@TNM101 I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. TNM101 (chat) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a tort. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are more probable than not); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Deep thanks to User:TheTechnician27 for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that Misplaced Pages:Identifying PR is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Improving a page through including my own research

The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:

"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.

Goldschmied, N., Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.

Thanks,

Nadav Goldschmied

Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The place to suggest this, Ngoldschmied11, is Talk:Icing the kicker. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?

Thanks,

Nadav Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ngoldschmied11 pretty sure this falls under WP:No original research SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

SimpleSubCubicGraph Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Ngoldschmied11: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a conflict of interest, but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the edit request wizard that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Shortened forms list

Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. WP:GNG, WP:NPV)? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. Jõsé 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Josedimaria. See WP:WP. Tarlby 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey, how about Misplaced Pages:Shortcut index or Misplaced Pages:List of policies and guidelines and might be an idea to work out something for Misplaced Pages:Glossary of shortcuts Ayohama (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do Chetan4u1 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at WP:AfC. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a disambiguation page, but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. Shantavira| 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to Isabel Briggs Myers, a different person. To start over, use WP:YFA to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. Chetan4u1 (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft Isabel Myers (actress), since the subject of the existing article, Isabel Briggs Myers, is a writer. Dissoxciate (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dissoxciate, I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you may disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.

For your second point, you can move an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Chetan4u1, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by moving it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles.

When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating Draft:Isabel Myers (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is much harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out all the issues about naming it. OK? ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks I will try my best. Chetan4u1 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

adding a clarification in response to a user request

Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the request for clarification, or leave it there? 1808Eolo3 (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@1808Eolo3 Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. Shantavira| 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is sandbox and how should I use it?

How can I use sandbox Juamisi25 (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Juamisi25 Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at this help page: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Short and simple: follow this link — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --Slowking Man (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Error with interlanguage link template

So while editing Guangdong Public Security Department, I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Thehistorianisaac. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. If you look at the syntax for the |Secondary governing body= parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a WP:REDLINK. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at WP:VPT; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to hide the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok thank you Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac:. The documentation for the parameter at Template:Infobox law enforcement agency says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac: If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. Deor (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War

Hello everyone, Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta Get to $1200 manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph What exactly is $1200? Shaan Sengupta 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta: Welcome to the Teahouse. If the issue is technical, the folks over at WP:VPT may be better equipped to address it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tenryuu I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. Shaan Sengupta 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Joseph A. Tunzi

How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Daryl77. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. Tarlby 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Daryl77. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is REQUIRED before you keep editing. DACartman (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

How do you do that? Daryl77 (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Daryl77 Please see WP:DISCLOSE. CommissarDoggo 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? Daryl77 (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Use the COI template at your user page, specifically Template:User COI to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. DACartman (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? Daryl77 (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Daryl77, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. Cullen328 (talk) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, Elvis International Forum. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977 I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered Elvis Sessions II. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before Elvis Sessions II. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. Daryl77 (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. David notMD (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed?

I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? The2gingerman (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, The2gingerman. As the header of a current draft says: This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review. High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @The2gingerman, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles.

In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added far more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, @ColinFine, I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a large reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. The2gingerman (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The2gingerman Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy WP:BRD advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (WP:NPP), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

adding secondary sources

In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)

Draft:Randolph Charles Kent

In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN Humanitarian Coordinator since 1987.

Thank you Nik9t (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, got it - thank you! Nik9t (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hang on, @Thebiguglyalien: @Nik9t described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, if Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a reliable source: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a self published source. WP:42 has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh I see. I assumed from @Nik9t's description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @Thebiguglyalien. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?

Sir David Nabarro KCMG CBE suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor

I read through the page for Visual Editor and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @SimpleSubCubicGraph

The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which VisualEditor isn't optimized for. Ayohama (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation

Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Kinfolx1114. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at Draft:Rahsan Thomas, but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Kinfolx1114, please be aware that Draft:Rahsan Thomas was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read WP:COPYVIO. Cullen328 (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). David notMD (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @David notMD. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) Kinfolx1114 (talk) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for providing this, @Cullen328. This is very helpful. Kinfolx1114 (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. David notMD (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @David notMDHmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment @Kinfolx1114: They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. scope_creep 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@David notMD Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox?

I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Stumbleannnn. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional Ayohama (talk) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Please help me get my translation of a French page published

Hi everyone, happy new year! I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal

How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance! Emilie Emilie1111 (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Emelie1111. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, Verifiability and Biographies of living persons. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Emilie111. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Emilie1111, another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

More info can be found at Help:Translation, especially regarding attribution etc. Lectonar (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Allowed links

What links are allowed in articles? Danny5784 (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Danny5784. See WP:LINK. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. Tarlby 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the general notability guidelines, which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like NJ.com can be used to demonstrate notability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

So, it can be news or a YouTube link? Danny5784 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see WP:RSPYT. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 Danny5784 (talk) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Danny5784. I think WP:EL might be more helpful to you. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit Quality "Perfect"?

On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? Quark7 (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Quark7: So according to, mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Contribution history, You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted), among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? Quark7 (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Quark7 You can get a pretty good idea using Special:Contributions and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is this link. That says that none of yours have been, unlike in my case where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Article

My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P NovaExplorer37 (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now Autoconfirmed you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @NovaExplorer37, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your user talk page, I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the general notability guideline (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.". I'd advise seeing Misplaced Pages:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.

Looking at one of your submissions, Draft:Natrag Na Voz, the two sources provided are a Discogs entry, which is not considered reliable per the WP:RS guideline because it is user generated (See WP:DISCOGS), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide significant coverage of the topic either.

Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade _edits 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. NovaExplorer37 (talk) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per WP:NEXIST. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for something exceptional, then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per WP:V.

—Sparkle and Fade _edits 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at Draft:Sada znam. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. WP:SECONDARY sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. WP:MUSICRS tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, WP:RSN Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to WP:AFD. Hope that helps. scope_creep 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that Draft:Natrag Na Voz can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album Dodirni mi kolena should be nominated for deletion. Same for Jabuke i vino, a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. scope_creep 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> Natrag Na Voz Article it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.

Best Regards NovaExplorer37 (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles?

Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article Razor wire (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @NicePrettyFlower. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to WP:Link rot), many URLs end up rotting (link rot) and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I highly advise you see Misplaced Pages:Link rot and WP:PLRT for more information. Thanks. —Sparkle and Fade _edits 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@IcePrettyFlower: I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.

My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.

Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrickator (talk • contribs) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikitext

I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a Misplaced Pages page. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 I'm not really sure what you mean, but WP:UBXCREATE has instructions for creating new userboxes. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}} Ayohama (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 Template:Tl is nice and generates something like {{Example}} for example or use Template:Mra for the code/outpout:

Markup	Renders as
{{Example}}	This is an example of a template. For help with templates, see Help:Template.

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles

A user created this "mortal sin in the Catholic Church" template, and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: Special:Contributions/Oct13

It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. Zenomonoz (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It's on some unusual articles too, such as the paraphilia article. Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

See WP:TfD's discussion of the template. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. Zenomonoz (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Template now deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Should I add something

On my draft, Draft:List of Oklahoma tornadoes, I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian Thomas Grazulis. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Roar with me!!!: How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a {{efn|The pre-1950....}} tag to show a note at the end of the article with {{notelist}} to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. scope_creep 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability of electoral divisions

Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Afaik, We do not have something specific, but Misplaced Pages:Notability (people)/Subnational politicians might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) Lectonar (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable. - WP:NPLACE -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Deleting a draft

I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?Wikieditor9117 (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Wikieditor9117. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?Wikieditor9117 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Great thanks for your help!Wikieditor9117 (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Paragraph break gets overriden

I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?

Abram Molarsky DieHoren (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DieHoren: I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the {{pb}} template. DieHoren (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DieHoren: The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see Template:Blockquote#Line breaks) so I made another fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. DieHoren (talk) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do

Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:

I was editing page of Kösem Sultan and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667

Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.

As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)

I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:K%C3%B6sem_Sultan#Marriage used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.

Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.

I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. Sobek2000 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sobek2000 Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at Talk:Kösem_Sultan#Marriage, you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of WP:Dispute resolution open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an edit war is: don't! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sobek2000: I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Women's History or Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. Thanks. Simonm223 (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Sobek2000 (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Random pages with no sources

Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this 32nd Kisei and this Kerala State Film Award for Best Dubbing Artist (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. Blackballnz (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), 32nd Kisei appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. David notMD (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are the icons so weird

I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so? I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know why, IsaqueCar. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @IsaqueCar. Until I searched and found Frutiger (typeface) I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.

If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at WP:VPT. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant WP:WikiProject, is the best place to bring the matter up. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I looked for Frutiger Aero, which was more enlightening.

@IsaqueCar: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? Bazza 7 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. Thx56 (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."

Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Opinion?

Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.

Draft:Vincent Piket Hartnana13 (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? 331dot (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. Hartnana13 (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. 331dot (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. David notMD (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, Hartnana13. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. David notMD (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Lua error

Could someone have a look at Jonathan Stroud, please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following this edit, but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: The problem here was with Module:Episode table itself. Ahecht fixed it. JJP_Master (she/they) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, both. Tacyarg (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP?

I was reading Litigation involving the Wikimedia Foundation and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. aquarium substrate 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is "Is WIkipedia banned in France?"

The answer is no. I'm a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in French" and a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in English".

There are not any language version banned in French Republic.

If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. Anatole-berthe (talk) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Albert 'Kid' Lloyd

I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? TamaRock (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

You wrote a draft on your user page, User:TamaRock. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to User:TamaRock/sandbox, pronto.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Step 1:

Click on the red link: Albert 'Kid' Lloyd.

Step 2:

Paste in your information from your talk page.

Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. Sushidude21! (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

From the user page, Sushidude21, not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) TamaRock, I have moved it to User:TamaRock/sandbox. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Requesting a peer review

Hi, I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the Sam Reid (actor) talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link. Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page? Thank you/sorry! ~~ Elinoria (talk) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Elinoria! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at WP:PRG? TNM101 (chat) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … Elinoria (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. TNM101 (chat) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. Elinoria (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. TNM101 (chat) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics?

Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. LordOfWalruses (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. TNM101 (chat) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the WP:ARBECR area. CMD (talk) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles.

It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn. https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp

How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as atmosphere of Jupiter? Sushidude21! (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press WP:PRIMARY source that needs corroboration and discussion in WP:SECONDARY sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a WP:FA. DMacks (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks Sushidude21! (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sushidude21! You can try asking for input at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Astronomy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page

So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ask at WP:RM/TR. CMD (talk) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy?

I'm planning to add subsections to Yu-Gi-Oh! about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:

• Pokemon use "Legacy and influences", Neon Genesis Evangelion use "Influence and legacy"
• Magic: The Gathering use "Legacy"
• Star Wars, One Piece, and Nineteen Eighty-Four use "Cultural Impact"

Which one should I use? Ivan530 (talk) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. Shantavira| 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.

@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section.

Some ressources about how to use secondary sources :

1.Misplaced Pages:No original research

2.Misplaced Pages:Secondary does not mean independent

3.Misplaced Pages:Independent sources Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ivan530 Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found WP:VGLAYOUT via the more generic MOS:LAYOUT. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Translation and references issue

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Christine_Meyer

This artist was marked as missing in the https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Women_in_rock_music and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post. Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) Birdesigns (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it David notMD (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Birdesigns (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Birdesigns, and welcome to the Teahouse.

When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the content translation tool? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and notability, and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.

In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original no:Christine Meyer meet the criteria of WP:42).

Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. Birdesigns (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Birdesigns. Regional newspapers are often reliable, but the source needs to be independent and have significant coverage of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.

If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG, then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? Birdesigns (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing question

Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMPenguin (talk • contribs) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @DMPenguin, you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. Ayohama (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@DMPenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse. I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as gaming the system, and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @DMPenguin. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it thanks. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". David notMD (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability

Is he notable Chetan Maddineni ? 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Chetan Maddineni appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. Ayohama (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What about sources doesn’t meet WP:ICTFSOURCES 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:

• "Actor Chetan Maddineni is ready with an entertainer after learning method acting": a mere interview. (Even its title doesn't make sense to me, though perhaps "with an entertainer" was intended to mean "as an actor". Note that I'm linking to a Wayback scrape of the page linked to in the reference.)
• "Interview : Chetan Maddineni- Small films need more support from the audience": A mere interview.
• "Chetan Maddineni’s striking transformation takes social media by storm": "X takes Y by storm" is a cliché of promotional junk; this piece is no exception.
• "Interview with Chetan Maddineni about First Rank Raju by Maya Nelluri": A mere interview.
• "Birthday special! Chetan Maddineni: My upcoming film will be on the lines of 'Ready', 'Dhee' and 'Chiru Navvutho'": Based on an interview.
• ‘ఫస్ట్ ర్యాంక్ రాజు’ మూవీ రివ్యూ!: In Telugu, which I cannot read. If Google Translate can be trusted, this is a rather lightweight review of one film in which Chetan Maddineni appears. It's not junk, but it says little about him.

None of these six sources counts toward evidence of notability. For all I know, other sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, Ayohama? -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

How does editor classification work?

how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @IsaqueCar. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"

"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Not aware either, Misplaced Pages:User access page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. Ayohama (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). David notMD (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Task Center uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- zzuuzz 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The Newcomer Homepage describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Article classes

Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. Balance person (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Balance person Welcome to Teahouse, see Misplaced Pages:Content assessment. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! Balance person (talk) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Needing help with contest

I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, IsaqueCar! To sign up, go to this backlog page and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the guide to basic copyediting first, and happy (copy)editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add a category to a page/talk page

Hi,

I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code. According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time Elinoria (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be ] Thx56 (talk) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.

Do you have any suggestions?

Elinoria (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Elinoria. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

The Wikicode ] may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.

If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "]" statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.

Does that answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

If not then please link the page and name the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Managed it eventually! Elinoria (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. Elinoria (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

R-Salt

This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Hkhenson, and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's possible that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.

There is a recognised place for requesting articles, WP:RA; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that might work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps WT:WikiProject Chemistry: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.

Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish Notability) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ColinFine (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to R-salt, which I just turned blue. DMacks (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Youtube

If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, but in name of the website do i put the publisher, or YouTube? WikiPhil012 (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the via parameter. Ca 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi WikiPhil012. You should probably take a look at WP:YOUTUBE and WP:COPYLINK before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (as defined by Misplaced Pages), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in WP:CITEHOW. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. 2001:44C8:455C:91:C1B3:EC6C:4318:1D05 (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

promotional template

can white44tree please add promotional template to Deko article on wikipedia? White44Tree (talk) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Well i added the promotional template. Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Does the content appear promotional? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh yea... removed it sorry Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Vacuity (see the article, and its earlier AfD) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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