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	== From the horse's mouth ==

	{{quote\|EPILOGUE

	Abdruschin has now completed His
	Message to mankind.
	In him has arisen


	IMANUEL,


	the Envoy of God,
	the Son of Man,
	whose coming to judge
	and to save those
	who have not cut themselves
	adrift from salvation,
	was foretold by Jesus the Son of God
	in corroboration of the prophecies
	of the prophets of old.
	He carries the insignias of His high Office:
	the living Cross of the Truth
	radiating from Him
	and the Divine Dove above Him,
	the same in-signias
	as were borne by the Son of God.


	Awaken, oh man! For your spirit is asleep!\|Abdruschin\|In the Light of Truth. GRAIL MESSAGE. GREAT EDITION 1931}}

	{{Quote\|Newspapers in all countries ''published reports'' of the mysterious “castle” on Vomperberg, of which I was supposed to be the owner! I was described as “the Messiah of the Tyrol” or “the Prophet of Vomperberg” with great and prominent headlines, even in the leading newspapers which wish to be taken seriously! There were weird and mysterious accounts of numerous underground tunnels, of temples, of knights both in black and silver armour, of an unheard-of cult, also of great parks, automobiles, stables, and whatever else could be invented by the diseased brains that can report such things. Details were quoted, some based on beautiful phantasy and others so disgustingly filthy that anyone giving a little thought to the matter could not fail immediately to recognise the lies and malevolence behind it!<br><br>

	And there was ''not one word of truth'' in any of these reports!\|Abd-ru-shin\|Vol. III 7. The distorted tool}}

	Not a word of truth about the Messiah of the Tyrol? Seriously? Just compare the two quotes! He lied through his teeth, err, fingers. Yup, journalists have read what he wrote. That way ] about his messianic claims. I did not read the claims about knights in armor, but those could have been ] (satirical). Since he wrote he is the Messiah, they must have thought {{tq\|this man is crazy, let's make sport of him!}} The journalists were deriding him and they let him know it. That's why he complained in the Message of the Grail that he was {{tq\|crucified through ridicule.}} The journalists noticed that he made larger than life claims about himself. One man's religion is another man's laughing stock.

	Note: in EU his book is public domain, and in the US the use of quotes falls under ]. So, of course, I own the book: in my country everyone owns it. That's what "public domain" means: all the public owns it. If you don't like it, your sole remedy is to never set foot in the EU. Since if you had set foot in the EU you have recognized my intellectual property of the book. I own the copyright for the book, same as every other EU inhabitant. There's no need to pay me money for it, since you can always find an EU inhabitant who is entitled to donate this book to you. Should I say {{tq\|sarcasm warning?}} ] (]) 09:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

	:Misplaced Pages is an informational website, not one for reporting on the sarcasm and ignorant thoughts of yourself or any other person, reporter or otherwise. ] (]) 01:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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			== December 2024 ==
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			{{unblock reviewed \|1=The individual making this dispute should be investigated. The use of Misplaced Pages rules to control what should be objective information should be obvious from a brief review of the history of the page in question. The individual has made a pattern of reverting edits by others and maintaining a subjective narrative of what should be an objective fact-based page. Please review the edits made, the history of edits, and the general pattern of the individual in question on this specific page. While the actions in question appear to be a violation of 3 revert rule, they are not. The revert in question is a revert of a revert made by this user. Therefore, if I have made 3 reverts, it implies he has made at least 4 reverts (the first being reverting the original edit made by another user). Why should I be banned permanently for making 3 reverts while leaving the one who has made 4 appear to be without fault? \|decline = The views of an adherent to a religious movement are not considered to be objective truth on Misplaced Pages. This has been repeatedly explained to you on this page; if you do not accept it, Misplaced Pages is not the place for you. As for the 3-revert rule, you made four reverts, thus violating the rule, while Tgeorgescu made three. See . ] \| ] 04:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}}

			{{unblock reviewed\| appeal to reduce anindefinite ban.\|decline=The block is not "permanent", suggesting it can never be removed. The block is ''indefinite'', only meaning that it has no end date and you must convince an admin to remove it. This request doesn't do it for me. You should be talking about your own actions and not those of others. ] (]) 19:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}}User Tgeorgescu's reversions on the exact text being disputed were 4:

			1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1240888069
			2. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265460975
			3. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265464633
			4. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265465515

			While these were not within the space of 24hrs, i believe it is against the spirit of the rule, which is to maintain objectivity.

			The previous admin reviewing this request stated:

			The views of an adherent to a religious movement are not considered to be objective truth on Misplaced Pages.

			The very subject of dispute is the objectivity of the content being published on this page. I fail to see how pointing out the subjective and opinion-based nature of the text and sources on the page constitute "views of an adherent of a religious movement."

			As this is a first violation of this rule, or any other rule, the decision to place a permanent ban/block on all posting of any kind on wikipedia, seem a bit extreme.


			:Concerning the edits by Tgeorgescu that you list, Folawiki, an edit from August 2024 is not relevant to the recent edit war at the article. ] \| ] 06:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC).

			: Concerning edits from August 2024 being irrelevant, the policy states:
			Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

			The history of the page, the users own words testify to the facts IMHO.

			:The ]: reverts against ] are shunned, reverts which enforce the consensus are appreciated (but no more than three times per 24 hours). ] (]) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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October 2020

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Grail Movement, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

December 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Grail Movement. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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It appears to me that you have an agenda on this page besides providing factual information about the Grail Movement.

Any content related to or citing opinion pieces, personal opinion or derisive remarks should and will be removed. Folawiki (talk) 02:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at Grail Movement, you may be blocked from editing. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

If you have a dispute about the edits I have made, please provide the basis for validity disruptive editing.

Note: The title of this wiki article is the Grail Movement. Not the personal thoughts and opinions about the Grail Movement.

Any such content should and will be removed.

Be advised, your attempting to dictate what is appropriate solely based on your personal opinion will result in being blocked from editing this page. Folawiki (talk) 02:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Grail Movement shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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December 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Grail Movement. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Misplaced Pages's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Folawiki (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The individual making this dispute should be investigated. The use of Misplaced Pages rules to control what should be objective information should be obvious from a brief review of the history of the page in question. The individual has made a pattern of reverting edits by others and maintaining a subjective narrative of what should be an objective fact-based page. Please review the edits made, the history of edits, and the general pattern of the individual in question on this specific page. While the actions in question appear to be a violation of 3 revert rule, they are not. The revert in question is a revert of a revert made by this user. Therefore, if I have made 3 reverts, it implies he has made at least 4 reverts (the first being reverting the original edit made by another user). Why should I be banned permanently for making 3 reverts while leaving the one who has made 4 appear to be without fault?

Decline reason:

The views of an adherent to a religious movement are not considered to be objective truth on Misplaced Pages. This has been repeatedly explained to you on this page; if you do not accept it, Misplaced Pages is not the place for you. As for the 3-revert rule, you made four reverts, thus violating the rule, while Tgeorgescu made three. See the page history. Bishonen | tålk 04:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Folawiki (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

appeal to reduce anindefinite ban.

Decline reason:

The block is not "permanent", suggesting it can never be removed. The block is indefinite, only meaning that it has no end date and you must convince an admin to remove it. This request doesn't do it for me. You should be talking about your own actions and not those of others. 331dot (talk) 19:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

User Tgeorgescu's reversions on the exact text being disputed were 4:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1240888069
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265460975
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265464633
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Grail_Movement&oldid=1265465515

While these were not within the space of 24hrs, i believe it is against the spirit of the rule, which is to maintain objectivity.

The previous admin reviewing this request stated:

The views of an adherent to a religious movement are not considered to be objective truth on Misplaced Pages.

The very subject of dispute is the objectivity of the content being published on this page. I fail to see how pointing out the subjective and opinion-based nature of the text and sources on the page constitute "views of an adherent of a religious movement."

As this is a first violation of this rule, or any other rule, the decision to place a permanent ban/block on all posting of any kind on wikipedia, seem a bit extreme.

Concerning the edits by Tgeorgescu that you list, Folawiki, an edit from August 2024 is not relevant to the recent edit war at the article. Bishonen | tålk 06:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC).

Concerning edits from August 2024 being irrelevant, the policy states:

Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

The history of the page, the users own words testify to the facts IMHO.

The WP:CLUE: reverts against WP:CONSENSUS are shunned, reverts which enforce the consensus are appreciated (but no more than three times per 24 hours). tgeorgescu (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)