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== Removing an edit ==
Hello Remsense,


It seems that you are very active and know much better about Misplaced Pages rules than me.
Some time ago I just added a chessbase.com article to the external links of a Misplaced Pages page namely:
"McDonnell–La Bourdonnais, match 4, game 16"
which I personally read and liked and thought that would be useful to others.
It seems that it was reverted by you.
I would like to know the reason for it.

== Article editing ==

Hello, I would like to talk on a final revision on the articles in discussion if you like. please let me know on your thoughts for a final revision ] (]) 22:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

:Leave my page alone it's not your place ] (]) 05:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --] (]) 21:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC) ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --] (]) 21:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== Tedious linguistics ==

Remsense, based on ] of yours at ], I believe we have a common interest in language and linguistics articles. In your case, perhaps with tedious wording, in my case, with rampant OR and vast expanses of citation-free content. Everybody feels they are an expert in their own language (and per Chomsky, they are correct, and I agree) however that doesn't exempt them from ] and ]. Although the topic is close to my heart, imho, our modern languages articles fail V and OR more than any other major topic I follow (linguistics and dead languages less so) and makes me want to slash and burn 45kb articles down to two paragraphs, or ] down to one sentence (namely: "{{xt|Hungarian has verbs.{{fake reference|1}}}}"). It almost feels like a lost cause, but so far, my approach has been to proceed with kid gloves. Maybe we could get a few people together and try to come up with a plan for this. ] or ] could be a good venue. {{u|Austronesier}} and {{u|Kwamikagami}} might have some thoughts about this. Or maybe we should just give up, I dunno. ] (]) 08:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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== The Terror vs Reign of Terror ==

I see that you reverted several edits I made related to the French Revolution, where I changed the phrase "Reign of Terror" to "the Terror". You stated that this was a ''"misguided change of terminology"''.

Just to be clear, I do NOT support terror, I am NOT a propagandist. I am just trying to make Misplaced Pages more accurate. The actual French term is ]. I pointed this out when editing ]'s article the 8th December saying that ''"Reign of Terror" is an exclusively English term and the French name is « la Terreur »''. You reverted and stated that ''Last time I checked, this is an English-language encyclopedia.'' Apologies if I was not clear in the edit summary. "The Terror" is a very well-established term in English-language scholarship, as in French. Indeed there are many examples for the use of this term here on English Misplaced Pages. As just one example, ]'s article mentions "the Terror" eleven times while "Reign of Terror" is only mentioned three times.

Searching on Google for these terms alongside French Revolution, returns 632,000 results while gives 616,000 results; they seem to be about equally used and if anything "Reign of Terror" is used less.

There have been ''many'' scholarly works published in English that use the phrase "the Terror" only. Here are a few:

'''', 1935.
'''', 1941. "", 1947; the original link is down but this article is cited in Misplaced Pages and elsewhere.
'''' 1964.
'''', 1989.
'''', 1998.
'''', 2004.
'''', 2005.
'''', 2008.
'''', 2015.
"", 2019, a chapter in ''States of Terror: History, Theory, Literature''.

Articles in the New York Times from and , and the Washington Post from use the term "the Terror" in the title.

Clearly, this term is well-accepted in the English-speaking world and changing this term would not make Misplaced Pages less accurate.

However the main reason I edited is that the term "Reign of Terror" is a misleading, propagandistic anachronism. "Reign of Terror" was not used in France at the time (or now) and was invented after ] by his English-speaking critics. The name was chosen to evoke images of anarchy and blood, as if only terror could reign in the place of a king.

I understand the concern that if we change "Reign of Terror" to "the Terror", people may not recognize this term. However, the term is usually mentioned in context of the French Revolution, in which the period of terror is well-known, and hovering over the link will of course display the page ] (The first sentence of that page could also be changed to ''"The '''Reign of Terror''', also known as '''the Terror''', was a period of the French Revolution when..."''). If this is not enough context, we could also use "Reign of Terror" the first time in the lead section and/or in the section headers of articles, and then use "the Terror" afterwards. Or we could keep "Reign of Terror" in quotation marks to show that this was not the actual phrase, but a name given by others.

I would welcome any civil comments you and others might have about this issue. The French Revolution has sometimes been inaccurately represented in the English-speaking world, and as Misplaced Pages editors we should try to present facts in an unbiased way. ] (]) 02:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:It's really not your place to unilaterally decide the English-language term in common use is misleading or inappropriate. If you want to dispute whether it is the common term in English, start a thread on ] about it. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 05:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I always thought it was "The Terror". Native English speaker here. ] (]) 03:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'll start an inquiry on that talk page, then. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 03:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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how are the signs similar to the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Alphabet in order but not Arabic? ] (]) 11:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)


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I started working again on the article I created last year: ]. Can you take a look at this a bit? Lately I just structured the article all over again to make it look more like a complete extension of the section in the Religion article. I started working again on the article I created last year: ]. Can you take a look at this a bit? Lately I just structured the article all over again to make it look more like a complete extension of the section in the Religion article.
Btw tks in advance. ] (]) 09:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC) Btw tks in advance. ] (]) 09:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Porfirio Díaz:Legacy revert ==

Hi. In your revert, you said '''totally fine, you not having immediate access to a given source doesn't make it unverifiable'''.

I did reviewed the source and decided to remove the paragraph. The only source cited was a book written by an author who has faced significant criticism for being a biased defender of the Díaz dictatorship.

I'm open to hearing your thoughts on the matter. ] (]) 22:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

:Right, and it's just relaying something that Tolstoy said. There's no reason to remove the material unless he never said that. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 22:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::I haven't found any other sources. Assuming this is the only source and it is biased, should the information be included or deleted? ] (]) 23:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It would seem the comments aren't ] for inclusion in an article about Díaz, if they haven't been attested elsewhere. Feel free to remove them again if this seems likely. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 01:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Please discuss on the talk page for the lead image of Myth ==

Please discuss on ] first. ] (]) 05:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

:The ] is on you to generate consensus before you re-add, not on me before removing. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 05:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::But we should add a lead image in this article like ]. ] (]) 05:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Not merely for the sake of having one, we shouldn't. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 05:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::::If consensus reach on the talk page, can we use it then? ] (]) 05:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

== History of Christianity ==

Thank you so much for your edits. You said "it is quite frustrating to have spent a couple days fixing all this only to come back and have it all messed up again" and I don't have a clue what you mean. I don't know what could have happened - but I'm sorry! And I'm grateful! Thank you! ] (]) 06:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)


== Chinasrise SPI == == Chinasrise SPI ==
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== Donkey Hot Day - Der Wereld Morgen ==


Hey I looked at the diffs and, yeah, the Joshua Project, not an RS. But Der Wereld Morgen doesn't look any worse than any other news media. I don't intend to revert because, frankly, one newspaper more or less doesn't bother me really but I did want to note this in case Donkey Hot Day raises a fuss over calling the sources unreliable. ] (]) 14:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC) I'm wondering if there is a simple solution to runaway animations. Could an article display a linked static image? When a use clicks it, the Commons animated file opens. doesn't seem to have any parameters to control animations. I'm out if my depth with video. ] (]) 05:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


== Another review, maybe? ==
:What I was getting at—though I should've been more clear—is that we really shouldn't lean on news sources for claims like those, IMO. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::On that we agree. ] (]) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


Hello, I'd be pleased if you again review the article ] for me after the success of our last work. Thanks in advance! ] (]) 11:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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OK. I’m actually going to talk about this here about Finnish Americans and Swedish Canadians. Is a key fact that are Traditionally Lutheran? And if yes or no, tell me the reason please ] (]) 16:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Well, here is one key fact about religion nonetheless, Christianity is at an all time low. In other words, We are moving into an increasingly non religious world. And many people just don’t care anymore about religion, so for many people, it is unnecessary information. In the early 1900s, religion and ethnicity would have been talked about way more often. I should just remind myself that those days are long gone (Although I am only 17 years old). Christianity has declined in comparison to 20 (And even 10) years ago. In the western world, it is likely to continue declining. Thus, for much of society, religion is no longer a key fact about people. Seriously, is world changing quickly. (Sorry for the long reply) ] (]) 16:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Why did you remove the information you added to the "France" article? This is official and authoritative information. Thank you. Happy editing! (] (]) 18:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)) ] (]) 18:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


== ]: interwiki external links ==
:I didn't see any inline citation, so I fail to see how it could be authoritative. Even if it were, please see ]: we do not pay special attention to recent events in how we balance articles, and hopefully it is clear how inclusion of Syria and not myriad different geopolitical issues would be very unbalanced. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)


I edited in ] twice, and you reverted twice. I'm not going to do it a third time for at least 72 hours—probably longer. However your summary,
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would, IMO, exclude a lot of interwiki links, such as Wikiquote or Wiktionary. The information might be the same, or mostly the same, but one's formatted as an article, the other as a debate; nor is the article a featured article. Besides where does it say, that what you say, are the rules? ] (]) 03:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:No, we wouldn't include dictionary material inline because ]. Moreover—I ultimately think there is precisely zero value for the reader in linking a totally uncited opinion listicle generated by a Wikiversity user, and it really does not make the rest of the article and other content it links to look good. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 03:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, I replied to your comment ], but figured you may see this more easily. My reason for creating the new article ] is ], as the existence/dating of nations and nationalism to antiquity is a minority (but notable) view in scholarship on nationalism. Is your disagreement with something specific in the passages moved? The passages that I moved (which you reinstated) in ] bogged down the subsection of that respective article and are not even relevant to the Middle Ages, Meanwhile, the passages in question from ] were a lot of detail for what is a minority opinion among scholars, but good detail for an article on the subject in its own right. Happy to hear your thoughts and suggestions on how to proceed. ] (]) 20:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::Then why has this article, ], exist, or has ; or that WP makes such links easy?
::Yes, Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary, but it doesn't (explicitly) ban links to such. The rest of your reply seems to be your opinion, IMO, and so far you have cited no backing by link and relevant quotes. For the benefit of us editors, please do. ] (]) 03:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Interwiki linking a useful feature and it's usefully complete. I'm just making clear that this resource in particular is clearly pretty useless. Look at it. We have standards for content we include in articles and EL are not exempt from those standards. Thanks. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 03:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::What would it take for it to pass your standards?—I say "your" as you haven't given me a link and relevant quote of what WP bars and allows.
::::What if I put it in this article: ]? ] (]) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::It would need to be something other than what it fundamentally is—i.e. uncited bullet points of the anonymous author's opinions, I guess. There's not much to say about it because there's not much there to begin with. It's not useful on any page because it's not a useful document, apologies to the author. In general, since the most direct purpose would be improving the articles themselves, the onus would generally be on you to justify the worthiness of a resource's inclusion in terms of what the article already has and doesn't have, rather than the article being the mere medium through which we express our fixation to maximally interconnect the various projects. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 03:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::#Like WP, WV is a collaborative effort. There is no single author of that page. Please use the appropriate genitive: "Author-''s'''".
::::::#Aside from Wikicommons and Wikisource, can you relatively easily cite 3 Misplaced Pages articles that have IW ELs whose inclusion you approve of?
::::::] (]) 04:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Not right now, no. Hopefully you get my point that we're an encyclopedia and have standards about EL in terms of their content as much as with the content of the article itself. Cheers! <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 04:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Not right now?
::::::::Then when can you? I'm prepared to wait a reasonable time—72 hours, or 10 days, or perhaps up to 1 calendar month: before I start to revert again. ] (]) 04:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:@] Hi, I am going to try another pass at trimming the sections I had previously, per ]. If you had a problem with specific aspects of what had been removed (or, equally, with the new article), it would be useful to know beforehand. Thank you. ] (]) 08:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi Remsense, a year ago we ] about allowing specifying the {{mono|t}} variant as {{mono|zh-Hant-HK}} vs {{mono|zh-Hant-TW}}. I have implemented this over ]. {{Tji|zh|t_hk: 返}} should render {{mono|<nowiki><span lang="zh-Hant-HK">返</span></nowiki>}} and likewise for TW. Please feel free to take a look. ] 05:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Rimsky RfC ==


:{{read|If I don't promptly, please ping me again, as I can be scatterbrained.}} <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 07:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed you have responded to me a few times on the RfC above. However, you still never clarified your point when I pressed on whether an infobox was needed. I understood your initial point about the margins, even though it seemed to me to be wholly unconvincing and nonpersuasive. I was hoping you could elaborate a bit? ] (]) 08:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] ==
:I did clarify! If you don't find what I wrote convincing, that's your right. For what it's worth, I have a lot of very strong opinions about infoboxes, but my preference for abridged over none in this case is not one of them: again, it's marginal to me. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 08:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I guess if I had to be a bit more concrete, which I was refraining from doing in the RfC for some reason: in my experience, people with ADHD often appreciate infoboxes as an anchor when trying to begin reading an article. (I do not talk about or try to reify my psychiatric profile on here ever, but for what it's worth that includes me, though mildly—I'm mostly thinking here of others who have it worse.) That does not make them necessary by a long shot, but it perhaps affects my likelihood for supporting one in cases like biographies. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 08:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Forgive me if I was sounded terse. Your point on ADHD is apt, if I can offer that as an explanation as I am also neurodivergent. I guess I am just irritated as well as these discussions seem to invite a lot of bad-faith. Please do not think that I believe you have exhibited such behavior! I do appreciate your response. ] (]) 08:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Also speaking of answers to questions, it is regretful that the user you asked a question of has yet to respond. I was quite looking forward to them elaborating myself. Whenever this RfC closes it will be interesting to see how the votes are tallied. ] (]) 08:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I appreciate your ask, hence why I felt it was worth opening up a bit over! Like I said, I'm a bit unduly cagey when it comes to addressing stuff like that directly, and it can leave others in the dark. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 08:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


I do not understand why you want only 4 children, when he clearly has 5. Can you please explain? ] (]) 07:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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That was a quote, even worse change! ] ] 11:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC) :It plainly states 5. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 07:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Page deletion ==
:I CIR blocked ] ] 12:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi, if you're interested could you please initiate a request to delete the page ]? It has no sources and doesn't appear to be noteworthy. I'm not very familiar with deletion requests.<br />Thanks in advance. ] (]) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:@], I was doing a check, and I found a few references in books I have during discussions of Garibaldi. I am not convinced it is notable, but there are at least a few mentions in historical scholarship. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 23:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I have took some sources from other Wikipedias about ] You don't mind if I insert them in the page and write as the source say or you will gonna remove it like as always? ] (]) 13:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


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You must have one of the biggest watchlists! Either that, we have the same one as it seems your name is always popping up on my list. Merry Christmas and happy editting. ] (]) 18:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


Thank you for your edit on ], however I strongly disagree with your decision to remove "The force is alternatively referred to as '''His Majesty's Armed Forces'''." for "Not unique ''(would theoretically apply to monarchies in general)".'' for the following reasons
== Edit revert ==


# HM Armed Forces is an Official name used by both the UK Government and other official sources to refer to the British Armed Forces.
You reverted my edit on the Columbus article, I'm just wondering why it was cited as unreliable? I realize WordPress blogs are not normally considered reliable, but the reference guidelines state "However, if an author is an established expert with a previous record of third-party publications on a topic, their self-published work ''may'' be considered reliable for that particular topic". And the author is an established expert (Church historian). ] (]) 19:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
# This would not apply to all monarchies, ] is not referred to as His Majesty's Danish Defence nor is the ] for example referred to as His Majesty's Thai Armed Forces neither is Japan's defence force referred to as His Imperial Majesty's Defence Force etc etc


It is my intention to resolve this dispute and add the line back in. If you have any further questions relating to this please feel free to ask. ] (]) 20:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:The other issue with additions that rely on self-published or primary sources is they often indicate that an addition may be ] entirely—if I can be honest, if this is the only secondary source about this, it's likely not notable enough to be mentioned in a general encyclopedia article about Columbus. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 19:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Battle of Malazgirt ==


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:Not sure why you were trying to cite a book about 20th-century history to make major claims about the 11th century. If the details are sufficiently important, you will find them in a book that is actually about the period in question, not about how modern nationalism metabolized it. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 22:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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I misread what was happening and thought you were maintaining the 'many claim that...' wording just now, not removing it. My mistake entirely. ] (]) 00:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


You are an experienced editor that I respect, @]. If possible, I would value your contribution to the ]. It would mean a lot to have your third-party, neutral, and experienced perspective. ] (]) 20:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:Ha! That is something I have done in the past too; you made my day by assuring me I'm not uniquely capable of such things. Cheers! <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 00:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== State of Palestine religious data ==


Hello. I'm confused as to why you reverted my changes to the ] article. I updated the data to the ] 2017 census data (via MNR, since that was the most up-to-date and credible source I could find at the time, that didn't count illegal settlements). Is there other data I should have used, or is PCBS considered unreliable. Also, I'm confused as to why you removed the ]. I added it since the ] article was focused on Mandatory Palestine, which is beyond the scope of the article (the polity declared by the Palestinian declaration of independence), and I felt it inappropriate to only include Muslims and Christians, since there are other minorities, and I found the Palestinain Baháʼís page while searching through categories and the Samaritans in Palestine don't yet have their own page. Should I use the https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=114c#S_2 source mentioned by Iskandar323, while excluding the Jewish settler population instead? Thank you. ] 04:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Article: Moroccans ==


:@] Oh, I see what you mean. My changes do kinda look like I'm trying to make Palestine look less diverse. Sorry, I was trying to follow ] to a tee after I mentioned it on the talk page, which probably suggested an anti-Palestine POV. Is there anyway the changes could get restored (at least the data), because I genuinely did not intend to do that? ] 04:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello, you undid my edit on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/Moroccans.
::Hello @], I restored some of the changes, including updating the religious data to the latest census (2017) and removed the claims of the Druze population, since they are not currently sourced. I also added the Bah'ai religious minority. I also removed the hatnote to a redirect. However, I did not restore the other changes, because it seems that they are more controversial, and rather than removing them over relevance and verifiability concerns, I believe I should have asked for consensus or waited until other editors found sources. If your concerns were actually about the reliability of the PCBS, please let me know; however, I felt it necessary to update the data, because the 2014 data was partially unsourced (and could not verify the 2014 date) and I could not confirm it through my own searches. Thank you. ] 00:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

As a try to play by the rules i did not do any eddit warring by applying to the three-revert-rule (3RD) in order to to create the understanding in why i reverted the article. Since i wasn't able to get my point across on the edit page i'll try to provide my claim here, and sincerely ask you if you want to review the changes i've made as i believe i have a stronger sourced claim that the previous edit.

Aside from that, the claim will also be consistent with other wikipedia articles that apply the same sourced piechart such as https://en.wikipedia.org/Genetic_studies_on_Moroccans

Thank you for your understanding

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: All you have to do is establish consensus on the talk page like you were already asked. If you are right, it will be borne out there. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 01:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== lemma ==

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On the question of using specific language: there was an editor once who insisted that "must" can never appear in a guideline, since guidelines aren't mandatory. My point of view was that guidelines can still describe a procedure with specific mandatory steps in the context of following that procedure, even if the procedure itself might not apply to all cases. There are a lot of different approaches that are feasible with the many different situations on Misplaced Pages which makes enforcing specific terms tricky. ] (]) 05:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

:My idea was "a conclusion used as a bridge underpinning more complicated ideas", so probably slightly wrong. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 05:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::My experience is with the mathematical meaning of the word, where it means an intermediate theorem used as part of a larger proof. ] (]) 06:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== 2024 United States elections ==

Hi, if you check the article, you will see there is a subsection headed ‘2020 United States elections’. I’m not sure why adding a ‘2024 United States elections’ subsection is any different. Regards ] (]) 20:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:Oh, if that's the only other one then they should probably both be reworked, that's clearly ]. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

== Mughal empire map ==

The current map on the article is outdated so I replaced it with one with much better quality, Please explain why you reverted it ] (]) 20:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:The previous map is perfectly adequate; period maps are very often used for historical polities. Not sure how it could be "outdated" (were we wrong before about what the borders were?) The replacement was gaudy and apparently synthesizes its sources in a problematic way, and you made no attempt at achieving consensus for the change, not even an edit summary explaining why. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old English definition ==

Good afternoon. Thank you for correcting me on the '''Old English''' page. However, I am still sceptical of the current definition because it characterizes the language as an early stage of English rather than a parent language. I believe this characterization is not universally accepted, especially because Old English is the common ancestor of both English and Scots. Moreover, Misplaced Pages does not provide any citation for the current definition. Please let me know if I am making assumptions based on incomplete or inaccurate information.

Best regards, ] (]) 20:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:For the citation issue, see ]: the lead is meant to be a summary of the cited material in the body, and thus citations in it are generally redundant and unhelpful. Secondly, I don't quite see how the definitions are incompatible: where we draw diachronic boundaries between languages (e.g. what are periodizations vs what are "different languages") seems a non-issue for our purposes. It is meaningfully true both that Old English is a stage of the English language, and that it is the parent language of both Modern English and Scots. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 20:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::My apologies; I should have read the page you indicated beforehand. I now understand that the periodization issue need not be addressed in the lead. Thank you for your correction! ] (]) 21:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I won't revert your reversions of my edits, because they are not important to me. But I want to explain the reasons for my edits, and perhaps you'll revert your reversions. If not, that's fine.


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The reason that I added "But" before the second sentence in "As a young man Lincoln was a ]. He was deeply familiar with the ], quoting and praising it" was that religious skeptics are not typically deeply familiar with the Bible; nor do they typically quote and praise it. Without the "But," the two sentences seemed inconsistent and therefore a bit jarring, and I thought that the "But" made the second sentence flow better from the first. I cannot imagine what editorial opinion you read me to be expressing.

The reason that I changed "therein" to "In it" is that "therein" is archaic, except in legal documents. Lincoln used it, but when is the last time you heard anyone use it? But "therein" in not wrong, so do what you wish. ] (]) 01:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:A ''but'' clearly expresses that there is some contradiction or conflict between two statements, and in this instance that is clearly an undue inference you have made yourself. (See ].) In fact, it would seem likely to me that a skeptic should have some knowledge about the thing they are skeptical of, right? "Therein" is perfectly fine for the purposes of diction, and shouldn't be replaced for its own sake. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 01:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some skeptics have knowledge of what they are skeptical about; others don't. I am not well educated about religion or the Bible, but I am an atheist simply because I've encountered no evidence for the existence of God, and I have no emotional need to believe on the basis of faith. I see now how you could have taken this attitude as editorializing.
::As for "therein," a word or phrase may be fine, but another may be better, and I see nothing wrong with attempting to improve the writing style in a Misplaced Pages article. The editor who first writes a word or phrase has no priority over a subsequent editor who thinks he or she can improve it, even if the first word or phrase is adequate. I think that words used in common speech are preferable to more archaic or legalistic words, even if the latter do the job. I make these comments in case you want to consider them, not to argue. ] (]) 02:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{xt|Some skeptics have knowledge of what they are skeptical about; others don't.}} Right, meaning there is no reason why the two statements should be unduly contrasted or made to appear contradictory. Whether intended or not, it was editorializing.
:::You saw the removal of ''therein'' as an improvement, and I did not. That is sometimes how it goes, and our policies are written to prevent disputes of this kind to be waged over a large number of pages; in many cases this involves the status quo being preserved. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 02:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Is there a policy about when to preserve the status quo? I'm just curious. ] (]) 02:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::In general, ]. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 02:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks ] (]) 03:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Edit Summaries ==
How was it 'correct before'? 'Romanised Chinese' implies singular; Pinyin, Jyutping and Cantonese Yale are three different romanisation schemes.


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:It does not imply singular as far as I can tell. It simply indicates "when Chinese is romanized", which includes all of the above. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 17:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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December music

story · music · places

Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. - Could you perhaps help with sources for Huang Zhun (composer)? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Today, listen to Sequenza XIV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page today Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris. We sang in choirs today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you today for improving article quality in December! - Today is a woman poet's centenary. --(forgot to sign)

Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Need your help

I started working again on the article I created last year: Shang dynasty religious practitioners. Can you take a look at this a bit? Lately I just structured the article all over again to make it look more like a complete extension of the section in the Religion article. Btw tks in advance. Strongman13072007 (talk) 09:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Chinasrise SPI

I've been seeing some chatter that ProKMT has, at the very least, used an alternate account without appropriate disclosure first. They said it was because they forgot their main account password but there's some suspicion that they may have been editing from an IP too. Could they be the missing sock-master for that group? Simonm223 (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Another review, maybe?

Hello, I'd be pleased if you again review the article Shang dynasty religious practitioners for me after the success of our last work. Thanks in advance! Strongman13072007 (talk) 11:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Religion and ethnicity

OK. I’m actually going to talk about this here about Finnish Americans and Swedish Canadians. Is a key fact that are Traditionally Lutheran? And if yes or no, tell me the reason please Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, here is one key fact about religion nonetheless, Christianity is at an all time low. In other words, We are moving into an increasingly non religious world. And many people just don’t care anymore about religion, so for many people, it is unnecessary information. In the early 1900s, religion and ethnicity would have been talked about way more often. I should just remind myself that those days are long gone (Although I am only 17 years old). Christianity has declined in comparison to 20 (And even 10) years ago. In the western world, it is likely to continue declining. Thus, for much of society, religion is no longer a key fact about people. Seriously, is world changing quickly. (Sorry for the long reply) Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Abolition of monarchy: interwiki external links

I edited in v:Should the monarchy in the UK be abolished? twice, and you reverted twice. I'm not going to do it a third time for at least 72 hours—probably longer. However your summary,

"Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article. Presumably this article would contain a much better cited presentation of such arguments."

would, IMO, exclude a lot of interwiki links, such as Wikiquote or Wiktionary. The information might be the same, or mostly the same, but one's formatted as an article, the other as a debate; nor is the article a featured article. Besides where does it say, that what you say, are the rules? DMBFFF (talk) 03:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

No, we wouldn't include dictionary material inline because Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary. Moreover—I ultimately think there is precisely zero value for the reader in linking a totally uncited opinion listicle generated by a Wikiversity user, and it really does not make the rest of the article and other content it links to look good. Remsense ‥ 论 03:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Then why has this article, Help:Interwiki linking, exist, or has existed for over 20 years; or that WP makes such links easy?
Yes, Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary, but it doesn't (explicitly) ban links to such. The rest of your reply seems to be your opinion, IMO, and so far you have cited no backing by link and relevant quotes. For the benefit of us editors, please do. DMBFFF (talk) 03:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Interwiki linking a useful feature and it's usefully complete. I'm just making clear that this resource in particular is clearly pretty useless. Look at it. We have standards for content we include in articles and EL are not exempt from those standards. Thanks. Remsense ‥ 论 03:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
What would it take for it to pass your standards?—I say "your" as you haven't given me a link and relevant quote of what WP bars and allows.
What if I put it in this article: Republicanism in the United Kingdom? DMBFFF (talk) 03:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
It would need to be something other than what it fundamentally is—i.e. uncited bullet points of the anonymous author's opinions, I guess. There's not much to say about it because there's not much there to begin with. It's not useful on any page because it's not a useful document, apologies to the author. In general, since the most direct purpose would be improving the articles themselves, the onus would generally be on you to justify the worthiness of a resource's inclusion in terms of what the article already has and doesn't have, rather than the article being the mere medium through which we express our fixation to maximally interconnect the various projects. Remsense ‥ 论 03:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
  1. Like WP, WV is a collaborative effort. There is no single author of that page. Please use the appropriate genitive: "Author-s'".
  2. Aside from Wikicommons and Wikisource, can you relatively easily cite 3 Misplaced Pages articles that have IW ELs whose inclusion you approve of?
DMBFFF (talk) 04:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Not right now, no. Hopefully you get my point that we're an encyclopedia and have standards about EL in terms of their content as much as with the content of the article itself. Cheers! Remsense ‥ 论 04:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Not right now?
Then when can you? I'm prepared to wait a reasonable time—72 hours, or 10 days, or perhaps up to 1 calendar month: before I start to revert again. DMBFFF (talk) 04:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
DMBFFF, a page being reachable through interwiki link syntax doesn't make it automatically appropriate for linking in mainspace. E.g.: mw:Help:CirrusSearch, meta:Community Wishlist/Focus areas/Article Creation Guidance, wikitech:Machine Learning/LiftWing, xtools:ec/en.wikipedia.org/DMBFFF, phab:T11790.d:, c:, and wikt: are sometimes used inline; s: and q: sometimes in ==External links==, and I've once or twice seen cases where b: and I think voy: were appropriate somewhere, but not most of the Wikimedia ecosystem. Folly Mox (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Module:Lang-zh

Hi Remsense, a year ago we discussed about allowing specifying the t variant as zh-Hant-HK vs zh-Hant-TW. I have implemented this over Module:Lang-zh/sandbox. {{zh|t_hk=返}} should render <span lang="zh-Hant-HK">返</span> and likewise for TW. Please feel free to take a look. Northern Moonlight 05:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

eye I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. If I don't promptly, please ping me again, as I can be scatterbrained. Remsense ‥ 论 07:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Winston Churchill

I do not understand why you want only 4 children, when he clearly has 5. Can you please explain? Bduke (talk) 07:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It plainly states 5. Remsense ‥ 论 07:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Page deletion

Hi, if you're interested could you please initiate a request to delete the page Il Risorgimento (newspaper)? It has no sources and doesn't appear to be noteworthy. I'm not very familiar with deletion requests.
Thanks in advance. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@JacktheBrown, I was doing a check, and I found a few references in books I have during discussions of Garibaldi. I am not convinced it is notable, but there are at least a few mentions in historical scholarship. Remsense ‥ 论 23:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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January music

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Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

British Armed Forces

Hi @Remsense.

Thank you for your edit on British Armed Forces, however I strongly disagree with your decision to remove "The force is alternatively referred to as His Majesty's Armed Forces." for "Not unique (would theoretically apply to monarchies in general)". for the following reasons

  1. HM Armed Forces is an Official name used by both the UK Government and other official sources to refer to the British Armed Forces.
  2. This would not apply to all monarchies, Danish Defence is not referred to as His Majesty's Danish Defence nor is the Royal Thai Armed Forces for example referred to as His Majesty's Thai Armed Forces neither is Japan's defence force referred to as His Imperial Majesty's Defence Force etc etc

It is my intention to resolve this dispute and add the line back in. If you have any further questions relating to this please feel free to ask. Knowledgework69 (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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State of Palestine religious data

Hello. I'm confused as to why you reverted my changes to the State of Palestine article. I updated the data to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics 2017 census data (via MNR, since that was the most up-to-date and credible source I could find at the time, that didn't count illegal settlements). Is there other data I should have used, or is PCBS considered unreliable. Also, I'm confused as to why you removed the Palestinian Baháʼís. I added it since the Palestinian Jews article was focused on Mandatory Palestine, which is beyond the scope of the article (the polity declared by the Palestinian declaration of independence), and I felt it inappropriate to only include Muslims and Christians, since there are other minorities, and I found the Palestinain Baháʼís page while searching through categories and the Samaritans in Palestine don't yet have their own page. Should I use the https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=114c#S_2 source mentioned by Iskandar323, while excluding the Jewish settler population instead? Thank you. 2018rebel 04:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Remsense Oh, I see what you mean. My changes do kinda look like I'm trying to make Palestine look less diverse. Sorry, I was trying to follow Misplaced Pages:Verifiability to a tee after I mentioned it on the talk page, which probably suggested an anti-Palestine POV. Is there anyway the changes could get restored (at least the data), because I genuinely did not intend to do that? 2018rebel 04:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello @Remsense, I restored some of the changes, including updating the religious data to the latest census (2017) and removed the claims of the Druze population, since they are not currently sourced. I also added the Bah'ai religious minority. I also removed the hatnote to a redirect. However, I did not restore the other changes, because it seems that they are more controversial, and rather than removing them over relevance and verifiability concerns, I believe I should have asked for consensus or waited until other editors found sources. If your concerns were actually about the reliability of the PCBS, please let me know; however, I felt it necessary to update the data, because the 2014 data was partially unsourced (and could not verify the 2014 date) and I could not confirm it through my own searches. Thank you. 2018rebel 00:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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Edit Summaries

Hello, I wanted to ask you that what can I say to an editor so that he leaves edit summaries. It's very difficult to know whether the changes made by him are constructive or not. Theofunny (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

You might start by leaving {{uw-editsummary}} (ideally should be substed) on their talk page. If they don't change and a subsequent edit is not self-explanatory, it's a bit passive-aggressive but you could revert it with revert possible good-faith edit but non-obvious and unexplained. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC) (talk page watcher)