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It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Misplaced Pages's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Liz 21:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, PerspicazHistorian,

Also, please set your archiving bot so that messages remain on your User talk page for at least a week or a month before they are removed. Right now, they are being archived after only a day or two so other editors have to go into the page history to see if you have had previous discussions. I understand that some editors like a "clean", empty look to their user pages but if you could just leave recently left messages posted on your user talk page, it would mean that I could have easily seen if you had already received this warning. Also, it's against policy to personally canvass editors so they will side with you in a dispute, if you have an argument, put it all on WP:AE. Thank you.

if you have questions about canvassing or noticeboards, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz 22:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Liz, I extended it to 10 days. PPicazHist (talk) 07:27, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the ] or ]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. 

Your submission at Articles for creation: Battle of Umbarkhind (January 9)

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• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Hello, PerspicazHistorian! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Misplaced Pages where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! UtherSRG (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

example source assessment table (copied from one done for the biography of an ice-skater)

Source assessment table prepared by User:Toddy1 Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG? Holder, Gord (16 January 2014). "Junior titles handed out on final day of competition". The Ottawa Citizen. p. 13. ~ Significant coverage, but very limited scope ~ Partial McNair, Brian (February 11, 2016). "Uxbridge's Mackenzie Bent and Ajax's Dmitre Razgulajevs off to junior worlds in Hungary". Uxbridge Times Journal. Durham Region. Cayley, Shawn (5 January 2012). "Durham duo impresses in ice dance. Big things in store for Mackenzie Bent and Garrett MacKeen". Oshawa This Week – via DurhamRegion.com. Kelly, Brad (1 February 2013). "Uxbridge's Mackenzie Bent, Oshawa's Garrett MacKeen earn silver at nationals". Oshawa This Week – via DurhamRegion.com. All three articles discuss the subject directly and in detail ✔ Yes Slater, Paula (August 26, 2014). "Double duty for Canada's Bent and MacKeen". Golden Skate. Source discusses the subject directly and in detail ✔ Yes Smith, Beverley (15 January 2014). "Double duty for Canada's Bent and MacKeen". Skate Canada. ~ Limited scope ~ Partial "Canadian ice dancers Bent, MacKeen drop to 5th at world juniors". CBC. 17 March 2015. ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

PerspicazHistorian, I suggest that you do a source assessment table at Draft talk:Battle of Umbarkhind. The comments on various sources in Draft talk:Battle of Umbarkhind are very useful. When you do the source assessment table, you should expect other people to want to modify it. Please make it clear whether you are willing to accept changes by other editors to it. -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Toddy1 How can i do it? PPicazHist (talk) 17:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you see the example table? It is inside the green collapse box. That shows you what one looks like. If you edit this page you can find the code for making one. Let us try copying from the example and making one.

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{{ source assess table

| user=<!-- add your name here -->

| startopen=Yes

For each source you need to complete the following.

| src1 = <!-- Put the source details in here -->

<!-- independence of the source -->| i1 = <!-- possible answers are y (yes), n (no), - (to some extent) --> | ij1 = <!-- put comments -->

<!-- reliability of the source -->| r1 = <!-- possible answers are y (yes), n (no), - (to some extent) --> | rj1 = <!-- put comments -->

<!-- is the source significant coverage -->| s1 = <!-- possible answers are y (yes), n (no), - (to some extent) --> | sj1 =<!-- put comments -->

You have to put this in after the last source assessment to complete the template.

}}

You can see how to complete one from the code above. And the links in the example tell you what things mean.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Additional note on canvassing

I see you were already warned above regarding canvassing. That includes attempts to "pick a closer" for a discussion. When a discussion like an RM or AfD is over, it will already go into a list to be closed, and someone will pick it up and close it in due course. If it's something like an RfC which is not always formally closed, but you feel the particular discussion requires a formal close (i.e., it was particularly contentious or there's disagreement over the outcome), you can request it at the noticeboard for that purpose. Do not, however, ask specific individuals to close the discussion. Once the closure is requested, it may take some time to happen; in the meantime, you wait. Just move on to something else until someone can get to it. Seraphimblade 02:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade I agree to it, but you can also see that despite a clear consensus the discussion is not yet closed. Isn't it inefficient. I am not telling anyone to do anything, just inviting them if they think it should be closed. Usually it should be closed within a week, but even after 3 weeks its not closed. Thanks for letting me know about the noticeboard for that purpose. In future I will use that. Best. PPicazHist (talk) 04:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

If necessary. RMs are already listed here when ready for closure, so don't post those there. If there's a backlog, you wait. Seraphimblade 05:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

The problem is you are asking individuals. This adds bias. Don't do that. We have a system. Let the system work. Move on to other things, knowing the system will handle it. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)