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| I have yet to see credit given to Benny Hill for the bit part he played in the 60's movie The Russians are Coming. Part wasn't very big, but it was well played.--Mike White | |||
| *I don't think he was in that one, but I do think you're probably confusing that film with ''Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines'', in which he actually did appear. -] 22:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Is the doggrel quoted here ''actually'' a Benny Hill composition? If not, I think an actual lyric should be used like one of the jokes from "Gather in the Mushrooms" perhaps. ] 21:21, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC) | |||
| It may be just rumor, but I've heard that Benny Hill donated his sperm to a clinic in Christchurch and is the father of dozens of children, including Jude Law, Minnie Driver, Chris Martin, and Noel but not Liam Gallagher. Has anyone else heard this? I'm just dying to know if it might be true. | |||
| Geez, if it is, I hope Jude and Minnie don't get together... | |||
| *I've heard that Benny Hill died a virgin. This would be quite interesting considering the use of scantily clad women on the show. I haven't found anything that can confirm or deny this. | |||
| --] 16:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The claim that the reason for the show's cancellation was pure political correctness is pretty egregiously not NPOV. I've edited it to give Thames' official reason, and cite two competing theories for why the show was killed. ] 17:46, July 31, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Brilliant == | |||
| A number of English people with whom I've spoken over the years have spoken derisively of Benny Hill; they seemed almost appalled that foreigners might associate their country with him. That's unfortunate. Benny Hill was a wonderfully talented, creative comedian. His doggerel and faux-poetry ("Ted," for example) are absolutely hilarious. He was a master craftsman of the English language, too, exploiting its possibilities to the fullest. And to top it all off, Hill's humor was never malicious or cruel. The politically correct among us who would condemn him simply don't understand the gentle, innocently lecherous nature of his characters. How could any Anglophone not smile at lines like "Three 'hole weeks of fun and sun, sir. Three hundred and fifty pounds." "I'd hardly call that a popular price." "I like it, sir." Or: "Some girls are like Cairo, mysterious and hot/Other girls are like Paree with all the charm she's got/But my girl she is like Tibet with all its ice and snow there/'Cause everyone knows where it is, but no one wants to go there." Benny Hill, you are one of England's greats, and many of us across the pond miss you still. ] | |||
| * How could anyone with half an ounce of wit raise even a smirk at pedestrian lines like those?? ] | |||
| * The English people you talked to much be off their heads. I'm English and love Benny Hill, as do many others. He was the biggest star on Televsion in the UK for 34 years! ] 20:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| "The biggest star on television in the UK for 34 years"??? What a pile of crap! What planet are you on? | |||
| :This is a funny story. My nephew was visiting London and asked several locals if there was a Benny Hill museum. He was constantly told "why would anyone want to visit such a place". It seems that people in the UK did not seem to appreciate Benny's humor. ] 02:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *As an American, what I've noticed is that in Britain, many of the Benny-haters are more preferential towards the likes of ''Monty Python'', which I've noticed has a more mean-spirited and strident tone to it in spots (or, to put it another way, "malicious and cruel"), not to mention some sketches pushing a certain kind of socio-political agenda. These hypocrites think that sketches like what Mr. Hill did such as looking at a beautiful woman is verboten, but blood gushing freely on a countryside as ''Python'' did (the "Salad Days" sketch) or an undertaker proposing to eat a potential customer's dead mother (also from ''Python'') are perfectly okay. And of course the constant "Benny Hill bad" brainwashing and drumbeat over the last two decades in the U.K. - no wonder there are those across the pond who have such a low opinion of this comic genius. –] 18:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == reordering == | |||
| have done some major reordering. hope the article is better organised now. i think that the benny hill show needs an article of its own (too much detail about its broadcast history, etc, to fit into this article on benny hill). i think the life section can also do with a little less personal information. thoughts, anyone? ] 14:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == billions? == | |||
| Isn't billions a rather large estimate? I haven't heard of him. Maybe you could cite come sources. ] 23:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == morbid biography == | |||
| most of the "life" section is about his death. | |||
| == Knighthood == | |||
| Shouldn't there be something about his being knighted? I believe this is a fairly major biographical point that the article totally omits. The fact that they were knighted is of course prominantly included in the write ups of Sir Elton John, Sir Paul McCartney, etc. | |||
| :Are you sure he was knighted? I can't find any record of it anywhere reliable ] 14:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == How'd the Rumor Originate . . . == | |||
| . . . about Carol Cleveland being part of ''The Benny Hill Show''? Unless she was in at least one of his 1960s BBC shows. However (and needless to say), Ms. Cleveland did not appear in any of the 58 editions produced at Thames Television. Nor is the program listed in her resumé (though ''The Two Ronnies'', listed in her biography on Misplaced Pages, is shown on her official website as part of her overall credits). ] 18:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Notable works == | ||
| Re the recent edit summary {{tq|("notable work" is a POV description , and it's better to discuss works in article prose anyway instead of overstuffing the infobox)}} by ]: I don't object to your edit, but a work is indubitably notable if it has an article on Misplaced Pages. I note all involved works have just that, blue links. Ergo characterizing them as "notable works" would be uncontroversially true. Merry Christmas, y'all. ] (]) 16:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| "Dennis Kirkland died on ] ], aged 63, after a short illness." | |||
| :Whether they have articles wasn't the point of my edit; whoever inserted them was problematically implying only certain works mattered. I strongly suspect they simply added their personal favorites into the field. ] (] / ]) 17:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry for him, but it had to go. Nothing to do here. ] 03:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC) Nahuel | |||
| :: Again, I don't object to your edit. I will comment on your edit summary. "notable work" is '''not''' a "POV description". Each work with a Misplaced Pages article is notable, and we have many articles where editors curate a selection of works by the article subject without having to base that selection on a source. Please do boldly edit such a selection, just as you did, ''and the previous editor did too''. But please do not cast aspersions on that previous work: with a phrase like " probably cherry-picked" you were insinuating that selection was somehow inferior because it was based on personal taste, which reveals a lack of understanding of our job as fellow editors. You ''should'' exercise your personal taste when you improve Misplaced Pages! And if I should later "mercilessly edit" your contributions, you don't want me to justify my edits by "SNUGGUM used his personal taste (and his taste is poor and unrefined)", do you? Have a nice day, ] (]) 15:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *A new entry for Dennis Kirkland has been started up in response to these concerns. –] 00:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Add a mention of the video game == | ||
| See ]. ] (]) 12:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Quite a few sources give his year of birth as 1925 . Is there any reason why only 1924 is mentioned in the article? --] 20:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Every Hill bio I know of, has given 1924 as his year of birth, including the book his former producer/director Dennis Kirkland wrote, ''Benny: The True Story'' (later re-released as ''The Strange and Saucy World of Benny Hill''). Apparently Hill, early in his career, took a year off his age for whatever reason. However, according to another source, anyone who would have been in a position to know exactly which year he was born is, like Benny himself, dead. –] 02:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **That would suggest we leave it as 1924 with a footnote discussing the disagreement. It's not right to not mention it in the article. --] 23:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***The UK's GRO (Births, Marriages and Deaths) have his DoB as 1924 on his death index entry. ] 07:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***I've now found his Birth index entry as: Alfred H. Hill MAR 1924 2c 52 SOUTHHAMPTON mmn = Cave so, I think 1924 is definite. I'll remove the dubiousness ] 07:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Celebrity fans == | ||
| I recall back in the 1980s, before Crocodile Dundee Paul Hogan had a quite good comedy sketch program. His humor was quite similar to Benny Hill's and I recall reading at the time that he was a great fan of Benny Hill. I can't find any sources for this at the moment, sadly. I'll keep looking. --] 11:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I am removing the Chaplin reference, and that is for two reasons: | |||
| ==Please clarify the chart in the see also section== | |||
| First, because I had e-mail contact with the estate and they did not recognise this story at all. They went as far as to say that Chaplin PROBABLY knew Hill existed. | |||
| I do not understand the chart in the see also section. What information is being presented there? Does it even belong with this article? Please remove or reformat the chart so it is more easily understood. Thanks | |||
| Second, while the story (more or less) IS indeed mentioned in an episode of "living famously", like the footnote says, that doesn't mean that it's true. A friend and admirer of Hill gives some anecdotal evidence - quite possibly he's more interested in idolising his hero than strict regard for objective truth. Just because someone says something somewhere, doesn't mean it had to be accepted as fact. | |||
| ] 01:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| (In fact "celebrity fans" is in general very prone to unreliability; for example they say Elvis loved Monty Python and the holy grail but things should be proven first, not disproven.) ] (]) 20:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :PS Also, when Eugene Chaplin (a first hand source) is seen speaking to and about Hill in "Clown Imperial", the 1991 documentary, the alleged fandom of Charlie Chaplin is not mentioned. ] (]) 21:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Hill was gay rumor, unreliable source == | |||
| == Stupid Iriot == | |||
| As I recall Benny, in his guise as a squint-eyed Japanese caricature would actually use the term "sirry iriot" (silly idiot). If ok I will edit the page to this effect. MichaelGG | |||
| *You can expect someone to ask for a citation other than your memory. ] 15:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::You are correct, the phrase was "sirry iriot". That's the joke, "L" becomes "R". There are web pages that quote "sirry iriot" such as http://sagaalt.blogspot.com/2005/11/puerile-humour-makes-my-day.html and http://www.thebladder.com/content/news/displayContent.asp?CID=3440&EID=349 . The character's name was "Chow Mein" http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/b/bennyhillshowthe_7773365.shtml . I'm adding this to the now separate article ]. ] 10:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Then a possibly subliminal (or else ignorant) part of the joke is that "Chow Mein" suggests Chinese rather than Japanese. Chinese have no trouble saying L's, that's a Japanese thing. ] 18:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You're right. The character was a "Chinaman", not Japanese. | |||
| ::::The movie ] has a scene with waiters in a Chinese restaurant singing in the same manner (fa ra ra ra ra instead of fa la la la la). | |||
| ::::] 14:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::It's pretty sad when they can't even get the stereotypes right. Unless that was the point. ] 17:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| The citation in the small section mentioning rumors of Mr. Hill’s sexuality is questionable, in part bc it doesn’t it’s any primary sources for this information, and additionally states bizarrely biased claims such as the reasons behind his Thames programme’s declining ratings: | |||
| == The man vs. the show == | |||
| “By the 1990s, the hugely popular Benny Hill Show was being politely censored by influence from a new, highly influential nemesis: the feminists. The "femi-nazis" and the newest fad of the time, "political correctness" had raised its horrible, intimidating head. Benny found his once-popular show being canceled in several countries. The hard-hearted feminists couldn't stand seeing Benny running around with beautiful, young girls in their meager attire.” | |||
| Right now, '']'' redirects to ]. Shouldn't there be separate articles for the man and his programme? —] <small>(] • ])</small> 05:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. There's already enough information here to have two articles. I'm going to ] and separate the articles. ] 14:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This is nothing but an (pointed) opinion citing no sources for numerous things, and thusly should not be considered as a source for any information in this Misplaced Pages entry. ] (]) 18:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Calypso songs? == | |||
| :I think the key to this is his frugality. In my youth I was often told "don't get married son, you'll never have any money". So, he was heterosexual but would not get married beacuse he was too mean with his money. ] (]) 18:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Does anyone know anything about the (Caribbean-style) calypso songs Hill sang (including the one he sang early in his career, as well as the ones he sang on his show)? ] 02:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== First movie hacker? == | ||
| I believe that Hill's role as the computer hacker "The Professor" in "The Italian Job" 1969 makes him the first actor to play a hacker in a movie. Any reliable sources for this, please? There were earlier computing plots in movies (e.g. "The Billion Dollar Brain" 1967) but not, AFAIK, actors specifically cast as technicians who deliberately subverted computers to their will. ] (]) 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Does anyone ''really'' get confused like this? I am going to delete the 'disambiguation' comment again. ] 13:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Re the recent edit summary ("notable work" is a POV description , and it's better to discuss works in article prose anyway instead of overstuffing the infobox)
by User:SNUGGUMS: I don't object to your edit, but a work is indubitably notable if it has an article on Misplaced Pages. I note all involved works have just that, blue links. Ergo characterizing them as "notable works" would be uncontroversially true. Merry Christmas, y'all. CapnZapp (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Whether they have articles wasn't the point of my edit; whoever inserted them was problematically implying only certain works mattered. I strongly suspect they simply added their personal favorites into the field. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I don't object to your edit. I will comment on your edit summary. "notable work" is not a "POV description". Each work with a Misplaced Pages article is notable, and we have many articles where editors curate a selection of works by the article subject without having to base that selection on a source. Please do boldly edit such a selection, just as you did, and the previous editor did too. But please do not cast aspersions on that previous work: with a phrase like " probably cherry-picked" you were insinuating that selection was somehow inferior because it was based on personal taste, which reveals a lack of understanding of our job as fellow editors. You should exercise your personal taste when you improve Misplaced Pages! And if I should later "mercilessly edit" your contributions, you don't want me to justify my edits by "SNUGGUM used his personal taste (and his taste is poor and unrefined)", do you? Have a nice day, CapnZapp (talk) 15:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Add a mention of the video game
See Benny Hill's Madcap Chase. 2A00:23C5:FE18:2700:91E9:78E9:DDF4:AE21 (talk) 12:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Celebrity fans
I am removing the Chaplin reference, and that is for two reasons: First, because I had e-mail contact with the estate and they did not recognise this story at all. They went as far as to say that Chaplin PROBABLY knew Hill existed. Second, while the story (more or less) IS indeed mentioned in an episode of "living famously", like the footnote says, that doesn't mean that it's true. A friend and admirer of Hill gives some anecdotal evidence - quite possibly he's more interested in idolising his hero than strict regard for objective truth. Just because someone says something somewhere, doesn't mean it had to be accepted as fact. (In fact "celebrity fans" is in general very prone to unreliability; for example they say Elvis loved Monty Python and the holy grail but things should be proven first, not disproven.) Spiny Norman (talk) 20:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- PS Also, when Eugene Chaplin (a first hand source) is seen speaking to and about Hill in "Clown Imperial", the 1991 documentary, the alleged fandom of Charlie Chaplin is not mentioned. Spiny Norman (talk) 21:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Hill was gay rumor, unreliable source
The citation in the small section mentioning rumors of Mr. Hill’s sexuality is questionable, in part bc it doesn’t it’s any primary sources for this information, and additionally states bizarrely biased claims such as the reasons behind his Thames programme’s declining ratings:
“By the 1990s, the hugely popular Benny Hill Show was being politely censored by influence from a new, highly influential nemesis: the feminists. The "femi-nazis" and the newest fad of the time, "political correctness" had raised its horrible, intimidating head. Benny found his once-popular show being canceled in several countries. The hard-hearted feminists couldn't stand seeing Benny running around with beautiful, young girls in their meager attire.”
This is nothing but an (pointed) opinion citing no sources for numerous things, and thusly should not be considered as a source for any information in this Misplaced Pages entry. 2603:7080:A507:A9EF:95E2:ECAC:B6CB:46CC (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think the key to this is his frugality. In my youth I was often told "don't get married son, you'll never have any money". So, he was heterosexual but would not get married beacuse he was too mean with his money. 2A02:C7C:59DD:E900:B40B:A45:F481:7527 (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
First movie hacker?
I believe that Hill's role as the computer hacker "The Professor" in "The Italian Job" 1969 makes him the first actor to play a hacker in a movie. Any reliable sources for this, please? There were earlier computing plots in movies (e.g. "The Billion Dollar Brain" 1967) but not, AFAIK, actors specifically cast as technicians who deliberately subverted computers to their will. Andrew Oakley (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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