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			==Destruction of Sur==
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			Although this topic is mentioned, more questions are raised than answered. What is clear is that a lot of buildings in Sur were damaged in the battles up until 2016. What is not clear is the process by which much of Sur was subsequently demolished, i.e. who was responsible, and why buildings, especially many old buildings of historical interest, were not restored. ] (]) 23:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:Could you add a list of mayors of ] (]) 21:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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			== Wrong info: Tigranocerta is not Diyarbakır ==
	When mentioning PKK, it should be provided as an important information that it is a terrorist organization which is world-wide recognized by international organizations such as the EU. The activities of PKK cannot be named as 'guerilla war', these activities are constituted of terrorist activities.
	*We follow simple guidelines of ''Misplaced Pages the 💕''. http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:Words_to_avoid#Terrorist.2C_terrorism{{unsigned\|Kursarta}}

			According to wiki pages below and references in this pages, the city of Tigranocerta is not Diyarbakır but it is an ancient city in the valley of the Garzan river.
	:Yes, and it says it can be mentioned that it is considered a terrorist organization by many people and countries.. ] 21:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
			https://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Tigranocerta
	:Which, it is by the way :) ] 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
			https://en.wikipedia.org/Tigranocerta
	Whilst sources should be properly shown.{{unsigned\|Kursarta}}
	::Yes, "whilst" the sources are properly shown, just go to BBC website, type "PKK" in the search box and you got thousands of sources - just couple of clicks away!! :)) ] 21:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

			It is not logic that wikipedia offers two very different info.
	== Unofficial capital ==

			According wikipedia in Armenian language, name of the city is "Դիարբեքիրը" (lit. Diyarbekir) in Armenian language. amedcj 16:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
	We have already had this discussion ]. I'm not happy with the undiscussed removal of comments about Kurds and Armenians from this article, as that shows a clearly biased approach. It is a demonstrably true that Diyarbakır is an important city to Kurds now, and to Armenians in the past. I would hope that those who wish to change such sensitive parts of this article would be able to discuss their changes. — ] 16:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
			: that's right, Diyarbakir name is Arabic (ديار بكر) "the land of Bakir" and it has no thing to do with Armenian language, it's oldest name is Amid
	:Objections were raised there and were actively ignored. The sources provided (, , ) do not fall under what we consider as a ]. While Britannica is reliable, it makes no mention of the capital claim . --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 16:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

	::As the centre of Kurdish activity within Turkey, I think that 'unofficial capital' is not an unreasonable statement, the quality and availability of sources aside. The removal of an Armenian link at the same time, though, suggests that the approach is biased towards Turkish nationalism rather than a real quibble over sources — questionable motives disguised behind administrative labels. — ] 16:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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	:::] does not meet ] and ] criteria we expect in our sources, it is a wiki anyone can edit. A bias towards Turkish nationalism in this case is only in your mind. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 17:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

	:*Unofficial or official; Capital is the center of the government of a country.In this case; on which country, we are discussing, also which government? Where is "Turkish kurdistan", when declared its independency?......Diyarbekir may be called as "the capital of the Kurdish culture",etc.
			Why did what I added was reverted twice on Turkish dialect spoken in Diyarbakir and resmeblance to Azerbaijani? ] (]) 21:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
	:*Armenipedia.org,as Cat stated is not a reliable source. Regards.<font face="Brush Script MT" color="red" size="4">]</font>]] 17:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
			:As I stated in the edit summary, you need a reliable source for your addition. --] (]) 21:43, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
	::Well I disagree with the statement that Diyarbakir is an unofficial Capital because since Kurdistan isn't an official country, it shouldn't have its own capital as it seems ] and I disagree with personal ] and most of the sources aren't ]..----<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">]</span> 17:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
			::]The sources you brought are no good. I looked up two of them, but none of the two had any relevant mention in English. The phrasing was also a bit unfortunate, it seemed it would defend the Turkish Governmental Point of View.] (]) 23:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
	What's wrong with something like "it is a hub for Kurdish activities in Turkey"? Or indeed "for Kurdish culture in Turkey"? - ] 11:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

	:There is no problem on my end if there is a verifiable source that suggests the city is somehow significant for Kurdish culture (weather its folklore or some other reason). The article can and should explain why the city is culturally significant for the Kurdish people provided that there is a source for it. For instance ] is indeed a culturally significant city for Muslims. It however is not the ] of the Muslim faith. --<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 12:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
			:::Bianet and Evrensel are more trustworthy on demographics than the Turkish Government.] (]) 06:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
	::If the debate is over one sentence in this article, why were the last few edits more widespread? I wouldn't mind replacing 'unofficial capital' with any other wording that emphasized the importance of the city to Kurds in Turkey. I would stand up to any attempt to erase comments about anything not Turkish about the city, as that is clearly biased. To encourage editors to use the talk page to discuss their edits first, the article will be locked for a week. — ] 22:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
			:::The source I mentioned was the original source, of course, it does not have to be in English. The quote "There have been attempts by Turkish lawmakers to deny Diyarbakır's Kurdish majority identity, with ] releasing a school book named "Our City, Diyarbakir" ("''Şehrimiz Diyarbakır"'' ]) on ] in which it claims that a ] similar to that spoken in ] is spoken in the city along with regional languages without any mention of Kurdish." is not true because Kurdish is mentioned on page 169 at this archived link (https://web.archive.org/web/20210217134102/http:/diyarbakir.meb.gov.tr/kitap/Sehrimiz_Diyarbakir.pdf) ] (]) 11:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::Anything not sourced can and will be removed from articles as per ] (see it in a nutshell). I generaly do not bother with {{tl\|fact}} tagging and remove content directly, see how I "mercilessly" move non-cited content on ] article to the talk page. Removal of non-cited content is encouraged by notable wikipedia editors. I can name some if you like.

	:::I consider your use of admin tools to gain advantage in your preferred version to be of poor taste.
			== Caption and destruction of Sur ==
	:::--<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 14:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

	::::You know, there is something that puzzles me with your protection summary. You suggested that the reason was "undiscussed, controversial editing" on your protection summary. I would think calling a city the "unofficial 'capital' of a non-existent aspirational country" would be at least a tiny bit controversial. I do not consider any other change any bit controversial.
			{{u\|NeoRetro}}, the claims you've restored in that caption () are unsourced and at least partly inaccurate, since I've seen no reports of the western half being demolished and the eastern half is not entirely gone either. The destruction of the old city can only be properly explained inline, so please add further details, with reliable sources, to the inline discussion of this that comes a short distance below, rather than inserting unsourced commentary into the caption of an unrelated (16th-century) image above. ] (]) 16:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
	::::*The proper Turkish spelling of the airbase is definitely not controversial.
	::::*Moving image galleries to commons is also definitely not controversial and in fact is encouraged. That is the point of commons. There was no reason to remove the link to the commons page.
	::::*The dual line <nowiki><div></nowiki> list of people is also definitely not controversial.
	::::*{{tl\|fact}} tagging of material isn't generally encouraged, instead the more encouraged method is removing the unsourced material until a source can be found. If the material covered is obvious, finding a source should be trivial.
	::::*The external link to ottomanhistorians.com was out of place and does not belong to this article it can be a source/external link on ] (whoever he is)
	::::*armeniapedia.org is a random wiki out there and hence is not a reliable source and does not add anything useful to this article. It should be removed unless you can make a convincing argument on how it is relevant.
	::::*
	::::--<small> ]</small> <sup>]</sup> 14:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Destruction of Sur

Although this topic is mentioned, more questions are raised than answered. What is clear is that a lot of buildings in Sur were damaged in the battles up until 2016. What is not clear is the process by which much of Sur was subsequently demolished, i.e. who was responsible, and why buildings, especially many old buildings of historical interest, were not restored. Dadge (talk) 23:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you add a list of mayors of 185.187.77.232 (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Wrong info: Tigranocerta is not Diyarbakır

According to wiki pages below and references in this pages, the city of Tigranocerta is not Diyarbakır but it is an ancient city in the valley of the Garzan river. https://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Tigranocerta https://en.wikipedia.org/Tigranocerta

It is not logic that wikipedia offers two very different info.

According wikipedia in Armenian language, name of the city is "Դիարբեքիրը" (lit. Diyarbekir) in Armenian language. amedcj 16:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

that's right, Diyarbakir name is Arabic (ديار بكر) "the land of Bakir" and it has no thing to do with Armenian language, it's oldest name is Amid

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Why did what I added was reverted twice on Turkish dialect spoken in Diyarbakir and resmeblance to Azerbaijani? Chelik99 (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

As I stated in the edit summary, you need a reliable source for your addition. --Semsûrî (talk) 21:43, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Chelik99The sources you brought are no good. I looked up two of them, but none of the two had any relevant mention in English. The phrasing was also a bit unfortunate, it seemed it would defend the Turkish Governmental Point of View.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Bianet and Evrensel are more trustworthy on demographics than the Turkish Government.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

The source I mentioned was the original source, of course, it does not have to be in English. The quote "There have been attempts by Turkish lawmakers to deny Diyarbakır's Kurdish majority identity, with Turkey's Education Ministry releasing a school book named "Our City, Diyarbakir" ("Şehrimiz Diyarbakır" in Turkish) on Diyarbakir Province in which it claims that a Turkish similar to that spoken in Baku is spoken in the city along with regional languages without any mention of Kurdish." is not true because Kurdish is mentioned on page 169 at this archived link (https://web.archive.org/web/20210217134102/http:/diyarbakir.meb.gov.tr/kitap/Sehrimiz_Diyarbakir.pdf) Chelik99 (talk) 11:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Caption and destruction of Sur

NeoRetro, the claims you've restored in that caption () are unsourced and at least partly inaccurate, since I've seen no reports of the western half being demolished and the eastern half is not entirely gone either. The destruction of the old city can only be properly explained inline, so please add further details, with reliable sources, to the inline discussion of this that comes a short distance below, rather than inserting unsourced commentary into the caption of an unrelated (16th-century) image above. R Prazeres (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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