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==Did you know nomination== |
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'''Creation of the Republic''' |
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This selection making the Trinitarios look racist which they weren't. Juan Pablo Duarte clearly stated that it was not a race thing, that he actually admire Haiti. Not all Trinitarios were white, Francisco del Rosario Sánchez was a mulatto. I understand there a growing anti-Dominican campaign going on, but i thought this page was about facts not propaganda. |
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== Dominican republic == |
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Now the Trinitario inspire KKK, this page is about facts not propaganda. So please stop using this as way to spread propaganda. The Trinitario weren't racist, or all white. |
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'''U.S Military Control''' This part seems to be, perhaps, translated directly from Spanish. In English, we cannot really say 'two periods' past, or 'four periods.' Either time is measured in years, months or is a single 'period' of time. I'd replace these 'periods' with the exact number of years or months (I need to look this up though. Can anyone else verify some numbers?) ] 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC) |
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In many cases the Dominican republic is discussed as a African and European countrie Can we discuss more of the Dominican republic and there relationship to south America and Hispanic people's. ] (]) 05:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2024 == |
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== Economy - Fact vs. Opinion == |
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''According to the 2005 Annual Report of the United Nations Subcommittee on Human Development in the Dominican Republic, the country is ranked #71 in the world for resource availability, #94 for human development, and #14 in the world for resource mismanagement. These statistics emphasize the national government corruption, the foreign economic interference in the country, and the rift between the rich and poor.'' |
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2024 population "estimate" says 11,434,005 which is TOTALLY INCORRECT. Last census made by an OFFICIAL ENTITY FROM THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC (ONE), which is Oficina Nacional de Estadistica (National Office of Statistics) made an official population census, which was last on 2022, resultant of 10,760,028 HABITANTS (OFFICIAL SOURCE: https://www.one.gob.do/publicaciones/2023/infografia-primeros-resultados-x-censo-nacional-de-poblacion-y-vivienda/?altTemplate=publicacionOnline). The current Spanish version of the Dominican Republic in Misplaced Pages states that the current population is 10,817,113 as of 2024 (OFFICIAL WIKIPEDIA SOURCE IN SPANISH: https://es.wikipedia.org/Rep%C3%BAblica_Dominicana), based on the World Economic Outlook database: April 2024 (OFFICIAL IMF SOURCE: https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2024/April/weo-report?c=243,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,LP,&sy=2024&ey=2029&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1). Then, why is there an existential discrepancy between one source and the other? Why doesn't English Misplaced Pages look into OFFICIAL DATASETS, just as Spanish Misplaced Pages does, instead of random UN population ESTIMATES (THAT AREN'T EVEN TRUE)?. This is absolutely incorrect. Please, fix this section. People still get misinformed on random unofficial datasets. Hence, I am requesting to please change the unofficial INCORRECT number of 11,434,005 HABITANTS to the official and VERIFIED number of 10,817,113, BASED on the ALREADY STATED IMF source. FIX IT RIGHT NOW. DO NOT let this happen ever again. Thanks. ] (]) 05:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Is that so? This last sentence bugged me the first time I read it, and it continues to bug me. The statistics are helpful, but these three conclusions need a lot more support, and sound more like theses of research papers rather than encyclopedic content. I would like to see this last sentence cut altogether. If the next person who reads this agrees with me, please cut it. |
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== Ethnic Racial Composition innacurracy == |
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::''These statistics emphasize the national government corruption, the foreign economic interference in the country, and the rift between the rich and poor.''...I Dont think this Is Accurate and if it is it should be cited. I am A Native born of the Country and i know there is Corruption, Economic Interferences but i dont think that it is all the reason it has. I think there is more in it than that and for now it should be removed...in fact!even in the U.S there is corruption. Corruption is everywhere but is not the entire reason..] 02:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC) |
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There seems to be an attemped to make the Dominican Republic more European than it actually is. Everytime someone post a reliable source and more accurate sources that have more realistic estimates from the dominican population, they attempt to reverse the white population and black population. In reality the Dominican population has more black dominicans than white dominicans, with mixed race being the majority. At no point in history was the population of whites higher than the blacks, even when it was just one big island (hispaniola) at the time when it was not divided. Only in the beginning was it different (1490s-1500s). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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As far as I can make out, the UN (http://www.un.org) doesn't even have a "Subcommittee on Human Development in the Dominican Republic", let alone a ranking of resource mismanagement. jiHymas@himivest.com ] 20:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* Well, a supporting source on the UN's Human Development Index ranking of #94 (2006). -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 00:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* And another good UN resource (2005). -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 00:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* But neither source mentions resource availability or resource mismanagement that I can quickly see. Although that second resource will take a lot of analysis time :) -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 00:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Religion == |
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No country in the world, except Vatican city, has a population that is 95% Roman Catholic. That is not only grossly inaccurate, it is absurd. |
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The Dominican Republic has a very old, large, and rapidly growing Anglican Church. |
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http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/diocese.cfm?IDind=632 |
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This whole section is right out of the Catholic Encyclopedia and completely ignores the explosive growth of Protestant churches in the Dominican Republic, including Mormons and Pentacostals. |
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Does anyone moderate this stuff?] 02:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Please read the article again. The 95 % figure refers to the population adhering to Christianity, not to Roman Catholics. Also the growth of Protestant denominations is mentioned. The reference given is not the Catholic Encyclopedia. So I fail to see the problems you mention. ] 10:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Puerto Rican Heritage of 2 Dominican Presidents == |
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Please confirm to me somewhere that states they didn't have Puerto Rican heritage. ] 21:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I have changed "In the late 1800's and early 1900's large groups immigrated to the country from Venezuela and Puerto Rico, so much so that 2 of the country's former presidents (and rivals ironically) Juan Bosch and Joaquín Balaguer, both had Puerto Rican parents." to "In the late 1800's and early 1900's large groups immigrated to the country from Venezuela and Puerto Rico. Two of the country's former presidents Juan Bosch and Joaquín Balaguer, both had had parents who immigrated from Puerto Rico." as I think that "(and rivals ironically)" is personal opinion rather then fact. I did not change the fact of regarding Puerto Rican heritage. So I fail to see the problem here. I do have a problem with your undoing of all my recent edits to change the wording of one sub-section. ] 21:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Birth of a nation Section. == |
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I have found the sources of the questionable statements that have caused much debate on this article. |
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" In 1838 Juan Pablo Duarte the son of a Spanish born merchant, formed along with Spanish descended Ramón Matías Mella and Francisco del Rosario Sanchez founded a racist secret society called La Trinitaria created to overthrow and undermine any government run by people of color. Driven by a belief in white supremacy and a desire to create a counter-revolutionary white-catholic run state, the Trinitarios declared independence from Haiti on February 27, 1844 . Drawing inspiration from St. Dominic's Order of Preachers responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of Jews and Moors during the Spanish Inquisition, The name Dominican Republic was chosen as a testament of white supremacy over individuals of color. This victory inspired other white supremacist movements in the western hemisphere, notably the Ku Klux Klan. The victory of La Trinataria also inspired significant parts of the plot of D.W. Griffith's famous silent movie "A Birth Of A Nation" in 1915. " |
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They come from 63.215.27.201 at |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=next&oldid=131235242 |
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and 146.95.69.177 at |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=131157287 |
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and 146.95.69.177 at |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=131158496 |
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Please question these individuals above. This seems to be more of a historical context. |
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http://countrystudies.us/dominican-republic/4.htm |
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] 04:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* Actually the mention of racism seems to have started and the next few edits on May 6 by 209.247.5.216. -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 05:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* Considering that 209.247.5.216 seems to have a history of vandalism and deletion (including today), I think that many of his/her non-] contributions should also be regarded as vandalism. -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 05:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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===Trinitario=== |
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I will prove that it wasn't a racist movement, I will be collecting sources, and writing from Duarte himself. One more thing why so important to include that Trujillo (kill als0 lot Dominican) killed Haitians...first was know the creation of the Republic now is know the creation and develoment only to include that sentence. Why not also how Haiti trying kill the Spanish culture, how Dominicans of light skin had to hide in the the Cibao (and there werent hiding cause there were going be treated nice). Why can't we have History not propaganda. For those that don't understand where I'm coming from there a movement going on, that trying drag Dominican in the mud, so sorry if it seem like i have to much emotion, or edit this more then i should, but ya could see I didn't write propaganda, and Trujillo been 1/4 Haitian i would like other source, cause i have never heard of that. Thank you ] |
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'''Trujillo Haitian Heritage''' |
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I looked for a while on the alleged Trinitario racism and couldn't find anything on it. It seems to be some extremely creative editing which cannot be proved anywhere else. If you can find something on it then maybe it can be placed in, but I don't think it will be found. Trujillo's being 1/4 Haitian is pretty well documented. His exploits are a sad part of history. Similiar to that of Hitler in Germany or Stalin in the Soviet Union. No one is stopping anyone from placing in sourced information concerning about any Haitian attempt to kill spanish culture. I have found many sources concerning Trujillo's family which I will list below. |
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http://www.windowsonhaiti.com/wucker1.shtml |
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http://www.ahadonline.org/eLibrary/creoleconnection/number17/cambeira.htm |
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http://books.google.com/books?id=BW6U8ylv3o0C&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=trujillo+haitian+grandmother&source=web&ots=0_tMcrx9yM&sig=G3kyC2EQPmNKIM_cn7d-DLCvfng |
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:bDRiL5Kht-8J:www.hamline.edu/cla/academics/international_studies/diaspora/haitians/paper.html+trujillo+haitian+grandmother&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us |
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:vVQV2m2eKw8J:www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg05580.html+trujillo+haitian+grandmother&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us |
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http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=97806700 |
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] 20:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Thank you, you learn something new everyday. I actually did my own research and found out it to be true. ] |
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==Immigration== |
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Dominican Republic doesn't deny anyone health care, and other thing...to get Dominican Citizenship parents only need to be legal in the country. Yes it not the samething as USA...but DR is not USA...like Italy not USA (for those that don't know Italy have Right of Blood)...once again what up w/ this propaganda...miss information about DR. ] |
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This information is from amnesty international. Which seems to be pretty credible. This really isn't propoganda, but just a part of current history. There seems to be a lot of information on this particular subject. ] 12:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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amnesty international also said they treat like slave now they saying they didn't say that. The Dominican gov't don't deny Citizenship, it on Dominican Republic law that if you illegal in the country your kid don't get the citizenship. Amnesty International is part of that group lunching a Anti-Dominican propaganda in Europe. I lived in DR, study, read the news everyday...70% of the public hospital cost come from Haitian. I'm only trying trying debate this. ] 02:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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] isn't an anti-dominican organization. They are more for humane treatment of people. They also noted the US torture techniques in cuba. Many illegal immigrants in the united states eat up hospital costs which is also a growing debate here. There are many dominican children born in puerto rico that were here illegally, but are granted US citezenship. It isn't the fault of the children. It's been stated that the Dominican law for people to get citizenship is so tough that almost everyone who tries to apply is excluded. There are a lot of human rights abuses that have been documented. That though may have to be another article. |
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http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=domini |
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So you saying that a country have no right to it sovereignty (or only Dominican Republic)...in Italy they apply right of blood (which means the parents got be Italian, so the kid can get the citizenship). Dominican Republic is simply if you illegal you, you kid don't get the citizenship...what they can't have there laws like every other country. And for the record Amnesty is it...so are two priest...they have raised over 30 million Dollar to lunch a Anti-Dominican campaign (so you know something about those priest they declare bunch kids as there own but when they left didn't take them w/ them). The US has it rules and laws...why can't Dominican Republic have theirs...granted Dominican do benefit from it, but Dominican is not trying be mini USA. They are the own people with very rich history. And so the world know no one have done for Haiti what Dominican Republic done for it, they even go out they way to ask for help for them, give them school, heath care, jobs. If was so bad how the big 3 make seem (USA,Canada,France) why would they still try come to DR...mmmmmm here a thought maybe cause not true. Let stop the the game let blame Dominican Republic so we don't have to help Haiti. The mess that France and USA made Dominican Republic got clean up...how can they when they are poor too. And one last thing if was that bad Haiti would have been taken Dominican Republic to court, but why does the Haitian government always come out to defend Dominican Republic? ] 01:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Honestly it's not really about a debate. It's about listing up to date situation that concern Dominican Republic. Rather about it being right or wrong. It is an actual event that even you state goes on and is debated in DR newspapers. The history section hasn't touched the over 15,000 Haitian's that were killed under Trujillo's rule , nor the forced movement of black dominicans and black haitian's to Haiti or their mistreatment. With all history there is good and bad. In an encyclopedia we should be able to show everything. The situation as it stands it similiar to the apartheid that existed in South Africa. How fair is that? Second class citizens? ] 22:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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you talking about health care which is not true...and what Dominican Republic should have a right to follow it laws... Once again DR is not trying be a mini USA...every country got it laws about citizenship why can't Dominican Republic have it own laws. Other thing there been studies and it show that immigrants in DR don't get treat any worst then immigrants of other country. I'm tried people blaming DR for Haiti problem. Why is a big issue in DR is cause big 3 don't wanna clean up the mess they did. ] 04:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== First Capital == |
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Sources state that Santo Domingo was the first capital of the americas. I doubt i'll find any protest and have inserted it. http://www.visiting-the-dominican-republic.com/dominican_republic_history.html {{unsigned|64.131.205.111}} |
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== Tie that binds == |
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It has been stated that the Taino population is the tie that binds, but they are also said to have been exterminated within 25 years due to mistreatment and disease. Is there any citation that shows that they lived longer? There are numerous citations that show that they died off. |
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"The culturally indigenous ] population is blended into the culture and considered to be the common tie that binds{{fact}}. There has been claims that the Taino population died off within 25 years of settlements of Europeans. " {{unsigned|64.131.205.111}} |
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* I find information from a ] quite interesting. -- <b>]</b><span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 00:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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**Great read, extremely interesting. The survival of a culture doesn't always mean the survival of a population. Many latin words are still used in Romance languages as well as English. The Taino appear to be a specialized tribe of the Arawak or the Carrib who resided in hispanola. There may have been some Taino's in haiti, but according to records, there were none in Santo Domingo --> Dominican Republic |
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When I study in Dominican Republic I was told that the Taino mix, that the make up of Dominican is Taino, Spaniard and African, that what on the Dominican text book. ] 04:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Headline text == |
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'''Bold text'''DEMOGRAPHICS. |
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51% Mulatto population of Quisqueya is accurate, by you placing " 90% African heritage? you making it seem that DR is Uganda or Zambia. African heritage comes in many forms, it could be by itself or it could be mixed. You can say that a Shaka Zulu has " African heritage", and that a Korean/Black mixed has " African heritage", but the two examples are not the same. We need to be more specific about types of " African heritage". |
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Northern Dominicans a.k.a Cibaeños, specially the light ones from the Central Valley, show strong European decent, mixed in with African, but in some locales, the European side shows more, as is the case with me. Stop trying to portray the whole of DR as if it were Zambia or Gabon, because it isn't. Is not that it is " bad " to be dark skin African, but that is just the fact. DR speaks Spanish,that has survived and is intelligible with other Spanish-speaking countries not some " creole" like in Haiti, Jamaica and other neighbors. |
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In reference to the term " Mulatto", wether is considered " offensive" , that is subjective. Stop imposing North American " political correctness". DR is a different country with different history. Mulatto wasn't always " a house negro " like in the U.S context. First of all, the mixed population resulted mostly in concensual interaction, that explains how many of them held administrative positions, some owned Black slaves and even became presidents. So stop this " all the America's is Kinta Kunte syndrome". Study some history before. I recommend you read Torres-Saillant's Essay " The Tribulations of Blackness" about the rise of the Mulatto in DR. |
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In many cases the Dominican republic is discussed as a African and European countrie Can we discuss more of the Dominican republic and there relationship to south America and Hispanic people's. Jglover9944 (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
There seems to be an attemped to make the Dominican Republic more European than it actually is. Everytime someone post a reliable source and more accurate sources that have more realistic estimates from the dominican population, they attempt to reverse the white population and black population. In reality the Dominican population has more black dominicans than white dominicans, with mixed race being the majority. At no point in history was the population of whites higher than the blacks, even when it was just one big island (hispaniola) at the time when it was not divided. Only in the beginning was it different (1490s-1500s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C56:60F0:B9F0:91F5:10EF:57EA:30EC (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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Not only is Dominican Republic ineligible for DYK (not a 5x expansion, was not brought to GA within the last seven days), but the proposed hook is patently false. The Dominican Republic has not annexed Dominica: the two countries aren't even close to each other, so such an annexation is unlikely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Not done: PianoDan (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)