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You may remember ], my ] as ]. ] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with ] mentioned in story and music. --] (]) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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:: Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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:: ] is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his . - ] was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page ''now'' because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --] (]) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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:: Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world ]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted ] in 2016. --] (]) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


== Macrobiotic Diet ==


Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.
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Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".
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The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,
:Wow, it ''is'' beautiful! Grace above the turbulence...lol...I'm afraid I'm more like the ostensibly collected duck or swan or whatever it is--you know, paddling furiously underneath? How are you, Pups? You have a lovely garden! ] | ] 23:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC).


all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
::Having a reasonably good day, thanks much. :-) Take the compliment! if the unruffled calm is accompanied by furious paddling, it is, after all, beneath the surface. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
::Adding: thank you for the compliment on my garden, however honesty compels me to point out that you see only the parts I post, which are, of course, the pretty parts - not the parts which are suffering from drought, disease, or neglect. It brings me joy, though, and if some small bits of can be shared to bring others joy, I am twice happy. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
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Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
Oh...don't tell me you read That wasn't for your eyes, Mr. ]! A mere tasteless joke! I'm sorry! I don't really eat them! ] | ] 23:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
:Not to worry, Elsie - I had happen to me, and I'm still yapping. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry, I was not privy to that discussion. Outside my house, I saw a chipmunk, sitting. ] 23:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Stripey fellers are so cute! And timid also. The chipmunk, the ] piglet, the ], the lot. ] | ] 23:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
::::Agreed. Chinchillas, too. ] 23:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
::::And the ]! ]<sup>]</sup> 23:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::::And the 1930s ]! ] | ] 23:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
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::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Editing warring user ==
:::::El C, thank you for extra bookmark. Bishzilla feelings expressed , please endorse. ] '']'' 00:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC).


{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.
I hope you don't mind that I altered your caption for the striped mouse. I thought "plump" was a much nicer word than "fat". By the way, I have another photo of little stripey mice, to copy from Hungarian Misplaced Pages and to upload to Commons, but, having read , I think I'll give them to 'Zilla instead! ] ] 12:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
Yeah, I had noticed the monster seems to be developing a "kind heart", of all things. No fear of that happening with ] Bishonen! ] | ] 14:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC).
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"
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At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
::::::Giano, ] sketches are down . ] | ] 23:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC).


*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
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== hey Bish ==


I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
Hey! Did you see ] newest edits? It seems like since I'm going to be on revert parole very shortly, he has started POV pushing all over again. Do you think we should take him to arbCom?? Thanks--] 01:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, lord, CG, I can't stand it. I'm sorry, you're on your own with Lionheart's edits, I'm not going to read them. Prolixity is his sharpest weapon. It hath magical powers: it putteth the reader to sleep. Also, well, I don't quite know how to put this, but if the arbcom sanctions you, which is looking likely, they'll be kind of predisposed to a rather negative view of view in any case you might bring in the immediate future. It's not a good time for it, I'm afraid. ] | ] 02:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
::If I can jump in, the best plan would be to ask an administrator who has subject-matter knowledge of the pages that are being edit-warred over to look in on those pages and make sure things are in decent order. (Please don't look at me, as I don't have the relevant subject-matter expertise.) ] 02:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
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You posted this on my Talk Page:


:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
I notice that Real96 has asked you many times to not post on his talkpage again. Your continued and increasingly aggressive posts in the face of that are beginning to look like harassment. He was trying to help. Don't post on his page again, please. This includes non-apology apologies and other amusement. No posts at all. I mean it. Bishonen | talk 01:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC).


::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
I am curious: (1) how do you define "many times"? I counted exactly once. But, I could be mistaken. Please direct me. And (2) how would it come to pass that you owuld "happen" to notice all of this? That strikes me as odd. And raises my suspicions. Thanks for your input! I await to hear from you! Thanks! (])


Hi Bish,
:Oh, good. I'd love to hear all about your suspicions, do please detail them. If you think you'll be able to move smoothly from trolling a young user who did nothing but try to help, to trolling a Misplaced Pages administrator, you'll find you're mistaken. ] | ] 02:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC).


Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
:: Hi! Thanks for your reply! But ... I see that you neglected to answer BOTH of my questions. Shall I repeat them? Please let me know. Thanks! (] 03:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC))


So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
:::Four times. Real96 deleted your posts with an edit summary requesting that you take your concern to your own page for discussion , , and . He requested the same on your page . I saw you post repeatedly on his talkpage because his talkpage is on my ]. The watchlist shows edit summaries, and the increasingly distressed tone of his, as , alerted me that something unusual was going on. Notice the '''blue''' words in this text? They're ]. In order to understand what people say to you, you're supposed to click on the links in their text. This is a superior method to ] them for information already contained in the links. Now don't post on this page - my page - again unless you'd like to be ] for trolling. And in the future, if you suspect me of keeping an eye on your contributions, it'll be because I am. Please interact constructively with other editors. ] | ] 07:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
:Bish, thanks for your help. This maybe a ] or a new user who is confused. I am trying to act in ], but for my sake and your sake, we shouldn't go ] on this user. By the way, when are you going to archive? Have a good day! '''<font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">]</font>''' 14:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I am on wikibreak for a week too.. '''<font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">]</font>''' 22:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
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I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
See talk, ] —] 21:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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LOL! I just saw . Would you believe I had originally considered labelling the picture Giano, Kelly and you, but then decided to leave the other woman blank. Glad to see someone took up the challenge! :-) ] 23:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


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This one caught my eye. Apparently it is now "against the rules" to be less than deadly serious on the talk pages. . Can't have that! We all better tighten up! --] 00:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


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In response to your message that you just posted on my talk page, I would like to say that that was not intended at all and I had accidently clicked on "Rollback - Vandal 3" - I believe there was some sort of a lag that had caused me to click on the button accidently. I knew that Ugajin was not a vandal at all and I immediately realised that I had made a mistake and removed the vandalism warning message from his userpage. For the note you suggested me to write, at first, I had thought about writing one, but I then had realised that he hasn't created a userpage nor does he reply to any of his messages so I thought it wasn't necessary. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. -- ] <sup>] '''|''' ]</sup> 02:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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I just loved being able to use "Restoring dream" in an edit summary. :) ]<sup>]</sup> 11:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


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I was reverting to the version at the moment the case was closed (in fact, Newyorkbrad asked other clerks as well as helpers to keep an eye on the page edits). Thought that you'd like to know. :) - ] &#124; <sup>] / ]</sup> 02:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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::Because there's a (+1) after yours. I think you might have left a space somewhere. (if we both reverted to the same exact edition your edit wouldn't show up.) - ] &#124; <sup>] / ]</sup> 02:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:::The (+1) probably means mine is better. :-P (And I left a space, too.) ] | ] 02:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
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:His name is on the puppet tags too. Sorry, but I won't play along with any quest for vengeance. ] a ]. ] | ] 23:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
::See my talk for my thoughts on this matter. I'm not prepared to edit-war over it, but I agree with Bishonen. ] 23:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:::This was not and is not a quest for vengance. It's quite unbelilevable that someone who was an admin and who would have done what he did is being protected in this way. If yu are going to characterize my desire to keep the tags on the sock puppet accounts as a 'quest for vengance' how would you descrbe ]'s initial desire to create these 'sock puppets'—while an admin—to abuse others? You're defending someone who ruined the lives of others. Asking those tags stay in place is nt vengance. It's simply right. —] 16:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::::He ''ruined lives''? By deceptively using alternative accounts on a ''website''? How did he do that? ] | ] 16:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
:::::This has ''got'' to be trolling, surely? -- ] 16:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::No, I think it's sincere, but it's getting self-defeating. ] | ] 16:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC).


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...and now LionheartX. He was unblocked after ] (which I didn't know about, was away from Misplaced Pages then). Have a look at the current discussion at ], if he's not already banned again before you get there. ]·] 10:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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:Just reading it, thanks. You didn't know about that? What a pity. Yeah, the nicest thing I can say about LionheartX's editing is that he probably doesn't realize the disruption his flooding and spamming and repetitiousness cause simply as such. When he got going at the CG-Ideogram arbitration case, I ended up taking it off my watchlist — it was too irritating to constantly find yet another post from him with nothing new in it at the top of the list. What it must be like to be in his sights, as CG is, I don't even like to imagine. As for banned, Ryulong has deleted Lionheart's userpage, presumably on user request. Do you know if that means he's supposed to have left? I'm sure you'll agree that a move like that, even if sincerely meant at the moment, really shouldn't be taken as case closed and no banning necessary. ] | ] 10:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
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Thanks for the heads up, I've commented. I know this seems pointless and abstract to us, but these people represent two nations with a non-zero chance of going to war in our lifetimes so they both forget civility sometimes. Regards, ] 11:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:I wasn't talking about Lion's editing in mainspace, in suggesting there's simply too much of it. On talkpages and in Misplaced Pages space I believe he's way beyond "forgets civility sometimes." ] | ] 11:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
::Agreed. But likewise for Certified. All the best, ] 12:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


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BenAveling, you are hardly a neutral voice here. Ever since Guardian Tiger was banned, you deliberately attempted to classify me and Guardian Tiger (and his socks) in the same category when I am getting harassed and brutalized by him since last summer. Maybe you should spend your free time on improving the actual encyclopedia rather than teaching ban-evading sockpuppet how to wikilawyer his way out of a community ban. You are being counterproductive and disruptive to the project, not to mention this blatant lie. ] is the admin who proposed the community ban with no opposition. Banning LionheartX is strictly a case of policy enforcement especially with these new instances of disruption. If we want to take a stand and make wikipedia a better place, ban him now.--] 02:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


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==Bed sheeeeeeet== == Kefas Brand ==


Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
What's a fancy word for ] pattern? ] 03:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::Bed sheets should never be paterned or coloured! ] 13:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:::They should be camouflaged. It'll add some spice to the marriage that way and some mystery to the single person. ] 13:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
::::It's for a translation I'm working on... :( ] 21:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::EL C, bed sheets do not have patterns, they are just ...well...bedsheets! ] 21:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Some bedsheets have patterns, or even draw-rings. I have one with bunnies and bambies, for eg. Exclaim that. ] 03:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::]. ] 07:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Per Ben, ahem! ] 07:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


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:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
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==My guess...==
Hi Bishonen. Please see ]. Thanks so much for raising the issue. I'll be pleased either way when it's clarified. --] 10:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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== ''Scheisst'' ==
My apologies, I just have a natural adversion towards the word "and". It won't happen again
] 11:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:I see. Do you also have an aversion to editing logged in? Anyway, since you sneakily reintroduced a whole anthill of ampersands along with the gradual addition of that apology, it won't, in fact. You have been blocked. ] | ] 12:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
:: My !vote for a collective noun for ]er]s is "armada", that or "shock wave".--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 12:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Spray? Hail? Monsoon? Dribble? Ooze? ] | ] 12:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
::::Amperdune. ] 11:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


::::An ] of amperands. (No, not the ].) -- ] ] 12:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC) ''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::]].--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


== screwed up a deletion tag == == NOTHERE user ==


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
Hey, sorry, not sure what the rotocol is to get someone to help fix a deletin vote that gets tags messed up somewhere (I don't know why they make it so complicated), but I am trying to put up ] and ] for the same deletion vote, as the guy is just some nobody who paid his $50 or whatever to ] and now has a "novel" that he proceeded to spam to a wide variety of articles. I sort of made some tags on the pages, but the coding on the actual discussion and elsewhere looks all mesed up. ] 19:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Fixulated. &mdash;] (]) 19:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks much. ] 23:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
== Threats ==


:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Your unjustified threat to get me banned fro trolling should not go without a response. There was clear consensus some time ago to include a link to the limerick in the ] article. I can't see what is wrong with this even - Jersyko was content. I hope you appreciate the ] of your over the top comment. ] 07:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::Over the top? Unjustified? Trolling? Irony? - aren't Albatrosses supposed to be harbingers of bad luck or is that only if you shoot one? I think if you don't alter your tone you will find out where the bad luck enters the equation. ] 21:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
:I've looked. Essentially, this is a wholly inappropriate external link that this editor wanted actually in the article. By being noisy and obnoxious for a good, long time, he got the talk page participants to toss him the sop of an external link. This, to him, is consensus. The link is not related to the concept of law, and I suspect it may even be clumsy page rank boosting. If Bishonen doesn't keep it gone, I will. ] 22:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).


== Alkalada again == == The Admin's Barnstar ==


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Also I hate to see . After Alkalada kept attacking and insulting another Slavic Moslem user calling him ''a traitor'' because he did not want bad for the Serbs, he wrote "'''Dude, answer me your fucking dickhead.'''" (after the block) He wasn't warned nor his block prolonged because of this. --] 13:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


* Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:...and he also keeps deleting these *bad* parts of talk page. --] 13:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


== ] ==
Dude, I made a misstake because I was really upset there. So, I took that away because I knewed I made a misstake and please dont repeate that all the time.


Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
As for my edits, I have invited you to the talk page in every single edit I made and I will also post sources which I will find today and put it in the articles. If you want to talk then talk to me and in the talk pages, dont talk with the moderators, if you want to point out, then good, say it to me at the talk pages and lets find a solution which will take both evidence and veriability in account.


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Okey? ] 15:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Ah well ==
== "I thought I'd better hit you before he did. He's in much better shape." ==


I tried.
Hi, Bishonen. That quotation (which I hope I've produced accurately) is from '']'', and probably also from '']'', when the heroine, who is due to be married the next day, behaves imprudently with a man, and her ex-husband knocks the man down, in front of her furious fiancé, and then whispers those words to him, as he helps him to his feet.


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
So what's the relevance? It's my request that you'd keep an eye on poor Gordon. Gordon really doesn't mean any harm, but he just won't stop arguing and arguing and arguing, and he annoys people, and knows it, but doesn't seem prepared to try and change. I've thought of that quotation several times in my recent dealings with him, feeling that it would be a kindness to block him for 24 hours, just to prevent someone else from blocking him for a month. Though of course I recognized that it wouldn't be a valid reason for a block! So I wasn't asking you to unblock him, but just to try and make sure that things didn't get worse for him. Gordon likes to have the last word, and I'm sure he found it frustrating when people would post to him that he was wrong, and that if he argued that he was right he'd be blocked.
:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


== Block evading ==
I have no complaints with what you did. I think it's more than likely that the anon was Gordon, though if he says it wasn't, I'll believe him. If he asks me to unprotect, I'll unprotect. I think he got a bit of a raw deal, and he was definitely goaded after he was told he wasn't allowed to argue for his links.


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry I'm not around more. Hope all is well with you. ]] 13:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:Pretty much. But I don't get it about Gordon's block. According to the log, he was last blocked for a month on March 13. Nearly ''two'' months ago. And yet he hasn't edited since, except his Talk. (Or he was, he's not editing at all now.) That may not be a bad thing.. but how does that work? ''Is'' he still blocked? I don't see any active autoblocks. Anyway, you're missed, ML! ] | ] 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC).


:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== Lost and forelorn ==
:Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).


== Email ==
My God, where ARE you? Don't leave us here on the cold wiki, all alone! We miss you. It's been :-(... &mdash;] (]) 19:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, so you can abandon ship but complain when Bishy takes a little time off? Pot... Kettle... mirror. :P (Concur tho, Bish whassup? is all ok?) ]<sup>]</sup> 20:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::Just the wikiblues and a little wikibreak, back in the sandbox soon. ] | ] 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
:::Glad to hear it. Have fun, come back refreshed, ok? ]<sup>]</sup> 21:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Excuse me, can I peek in? ==
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Hi. Sorry to interrupt your rest again and I will understand if you do not but I would really love your take on ] seeing as you are familiar with the parties involved. This might just be my own stupid foot-bullet. But still. Thanks. --] 01:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. An admin told me soon after I arrived here that you cannot make anyone "change their mind" here. I hope that this was my last attempt at that and I apologize for wasting everyone's time. I could have just done it myself in the beginning and that is what I should have done just as soon as I realized that he would not. That plant looks a bit dry, let me get it some water. --] 00:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'm taking the cure. No more intemperate actions from me. --] 22:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
== Oi! ==


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Have you remembered to switch back on? ] 19:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:Oy vey. ] | ] 22:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
::I have gone to bed - what do you want? ] 22:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Bedsheet patterns. ] 22:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Don't be crude EL C! - Bishonen dearheart could you please knock off a quick page on ] no hurry, anytime before I get up tomorrow morning will do, I want to refer to her in my new page and saying ] to have an effect will need to be blue. There is a page ] but it's not precise enough. Thanks a lot ] 22:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:::What the...?(!) ] 22:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::You couldn't mention which new page? You seem to have some five or ten of them going. What aspect of Miss Sharp's delightful personality do you need emphasized? And look what you did--you shocked the bunnyrabbits on El C's chaste bedlinen! ] | ] 22:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
::::::Oh very well, a ] for you. Not sure about the name, just move it if you like. ] | ] 00:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
:::::::I am overcome by curiosity. There are bunnyrabbits on Elsie's sheets??? And how, precisely, are sheets ever ''wanton''? Unless they have Chinese menus printed on them? ]<sup>]</sup> 01:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Also bambies. Exclaim . ] | ] 01:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC).


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Hmmmm ==
== Image:Image:14thC manuscript Prose Edda.jpg ==
Thanks for uploading ''']'''. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the ] status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{tl|GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} tag can be used to release it under the ]. If you believe the media meets the criteria at ], use a tag such as {{tlp|non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at ]. See ] for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).


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::These things are ''weird.'' It's ] logic: "We had the plans for the hyperspace bypass at the regional office at Alpha Centauri. It's not our fault if you people don't bother to go check." The image that had a proper tag did not have anyone update the tag when the tag monitors changed the tags, and so now the old tag has become incomprehensible to the new generation of taggers, and therefore it is a copyvio! Yeah, Snorri Sturlusson's great-great-great-great-great-great-great- (take a breath) great-great- grand-nephew is upset. (Bots can't read. Bots can't reason. Bots shouldn't be anyone's master.) ] 12:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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== just so you know... ==
:::Call me a bookkeeper, but it's just ''useful'' to know which of the four codices the image is from. ] 04:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
== re: Misplaced Pages: No personal attacks ==
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Past disagreements ==
In my continued efforts to ] at ], I have discussed another potential compromise version with the editors active on the policy's talk page. That version, located at ] has been tentatively accepted by those editors currently involved in the discussion. However, I would value your input as to whether this proposed policy satisfies your concerns.


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Obviously, it is impossible for the policy page to be perfect. As has been noted in the talk page discussion, there is no way to write a policy that will prevent editors &mdash; on either side of the debate &mdash; from taking extreme positions in regard to actual content or its removal. But as one of the editors involved in the rejection of the previous attempt at promoting a compromise version, I would like to hear from you before I consider contacting the protecting administrator regarding promotion of the proposed version.
:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


== I'm always coming to you for advice ==
Regards, ] 04:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
== Hello ==
Thank you for taking the time to ''spam'' me (your words! not mine!) :) :) :)


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
First, I would like you to thank you for clarifying that I have not done any significant posting on AN/I.
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I have no desire to post frivolous or spurious charges on AN/I, nor wast admins' time.
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


== A barnstar for you! ==
I believe I have opened requests there twice (not positive), once because I was told that I should; and once because I truly felt harassed, due in part to the creation of false SOCKS and SUSPECTED SOCKS pages against me and then being followed around when I tried to get help. I'm still spinning up-to-speed on wiki policies and procedures.


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I think your proposal is a good one, and alas, I too think it is doomed to fail. As you appear to have been keeping an eye on things, you're clearly aware of the frustration and tension and the promises made and broken. I've even attempted compromise and agreements myself.
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For my part, you don't even have to ask. I have no intention of filing AN/I complaints against any editor, unless recommended and supported by a neutral admin. As I said above, my recent call for help, was in self-perceived desperation at being publicly accused of something I was not doing. Having seen far too many games being played with logs and out-of-context citations and lists of frivolous NPA, CIVIL (etc) warnings, I could only imagine the huge fabrications which could be made of my initial Lsi_admin account. (by the way, could that be deleted please? thanks).

I do believe that some editors here are intent on POV editing, but as an admin pointed out "that will be shown over time through logs". It is not something which can be established by one or two dozen edits. I, for one, have no desire to have my username associated with controversy and spurious allegations of crying wolf.

I am here as a neutral party, with only NPOV interests. You might notice a recent 3O opinion that I gave in support of a citation as RS which I believe supported Smee's position. (I saw a 3O request in my field of expertise and I gave an NPOV opinion based on that industries perception.)

I do acknowledge personality conflict and I have been looking inward to understand why I am reacting instead of responding. I have been embarrassed more than once after taking a break and coming back to see what I had typed. It is not a pleasant experience to return and see that I have let it become personal.

Obviously you felt the need to leave a message on my userpage, and thus I have clearly stepped across the line of what you consider reasonable. For that I do apologize.

I'm assuming you are not requesting that I never post any responses to anything on AN/I but are only suggesting that I not participate in cat fighting. For that you have my assurance, regardless of what any of the others do.

Best Regards,
Peace in God.

-john ] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

ps: I also invite you to hold me to a ''higher standard'' of conduct. Please feel free to box-my-ears and recommend that I go get a cup of coffee, any time you feel I am not editing from a clean space. Thanks again. ] 21:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

]
:No, I did not mean to imply that you've edited inappropriately. I'm concerned about the way you're placed, rather than about how you've edited. The reason I included you in the Gang of Four is more that I feel an undertaking from you would make it easier for the others to agree, too. Sorry to be treating you as a ], and do have that coffee in any case. I took a look at the "Lsi admin" account--first I've heard of it. Accounts can't in fact be removed from the database, I'm afraid. Userpages can, though. Normally, the associated user '''talk''' page will not be deleted, only the userpage. This is for the sake of the History... still, the very existence of that talkpage was a newbie mistake, and if it's important to you, I will delete it. ] | ] 21:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
::I'm content to claim the title offered by ] using the userbox "reformed vandal", as long as it isn't going to be used against me. My first (and only?) edit, using that account, was made without any knowledge of the existence of a large wiki-community. My concern was when it recently got tagged as a SOCK and ABUSIVE and whatever else was being tossed around due to 'admin' being in the username. I've since realized that admins look and see those charges for the silly nonsense they are, but at the time I didn't know that it was simply a psychological game being played.
::As for 'how Im placed', I'm not sure and I won't ask what you mean. Its not important. For the record, I'm not a Scientologist and until yesterday didn't even realize that Scientology was different from Christian Science (I'm not familiar with CS either).
::Thank you for clarifying.
::Peace in God. ] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I didn't specifically address the usertalk page issue. I was addressing what I believed to be the issues where I had specifically been involved. My request that you ''"pull me up short"'' was intended to be a catch-all for '''anything''' I might do on-wiki that you find objectionable. I was attempting to close the door, not leave it open, by giving you the full right to decide if I had broken the spirit of your proposal.

For clarification: I will not engage in gossip and baiting commentary on any userpages about any other users. Specifically, I will not participate in conversations with JA on either of our userpages where we are discussing the actions or any perceived adjenda of Smee or Anynobody.

I was going to post this on your consolidated report, but decided that it would be more appropriate for you to update your own report, if you feel it needs updated.

] 15:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:John, your "catch-all" and your all-round good intentions were clear to me, and I meant to make them clear on ANI as well. I'm sorry you think there was room for misunderstanding. Perhaps I overdid the conciseness—I had an uncomfortable feeling I was using up too much ANI space as it was. I'll copy this statement to your page. Is there anywhere else you'd like me to put it? ] | ] 18:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
::Sometimes this text medium just plain sucks. I was only trying to clarify that I felt that I had addressed the user-talk page issue with my 'catch all'. Anyway, discussing it further makes it seem more important than it is. Why is it that 80% of our time is spent on 20% of the material? :) Peace. ] 18:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you ... ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Bishonen, thank you for extending an outreach of understanding and giving of your time in a heated issue between multiple editors. Your efforts are most appreciated by all. Yours, ] 00:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. ] ] ] 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*Answered on my talk. ] 00:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
**You may want to post some sort of update about this agreement and your helpful "spam" message and its results, at ]. ] 01:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
***Good idea. I will tomorrow. ] | ] 01:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
****Okay. ] 01:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
== ] ==
Hello, Bishonen. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under ] that was in your userspace. The image (]) was found at the following location: ]. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our ]. The image or media was replaced with ] , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. ]] 04:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:It was in my fucking sandbox. Where I was writing a big-ass article. With images. So I can't try out any images until the sandbox is mainspaced, is that it? Let me get this straight: would you rather I didn't write any big articles? Any articles at all? At least not any illustrated articles? ] | ] 14:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::Bots have no brains, which rather stymies an attempt to beat them out. -- ] ] 15:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, but I've written to the man holding its leash. ]. ] | ] 15:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC). :I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== November music ==
:I've said it before: if you can't check the actual images one by one by hand, then you can't check the images at all. Bots signal people, and the people are the ones who want to be "fixing" things, not the poor schlubs who used the images. Notice how this one is working, though. The bot goes through and then tells the person ''using'' the image that it must be deleted. This is backwards. Let the person holding the leash give the command for the dog to bite, and not let the public beware that the dog bites everyone unless the owner can be persuaded to hold it back. ] 18:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==You've got mail!==
==ANI==
{{You've got mail|subject=|ts=04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)}}
Bishonen, I just read this ]. My observation is that otherwise patient admins become cranky and impulsive from the sheer volume of complaints on ANI, be they justified or not. I think ANI should be abolished and incidents be dealt with pages specific to the type of incident or with individual admins. I think ANI is a bad idea period.--] 17:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
<span style="padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:-1px">] <span style=color:red>F</span> ]</span> 04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for your thoughts. Dividing ANI into separate subpages according to subject is a proposal that comes up from time to time, not least because it would make it easier to watch subjects in one's specific area of interest. Still, I suppose it's felt that there is value in a system that encourages everybody to eyeball everything, because so far none of these proposals have made much headway. The place for you to write up your suggestion would be the joint talk page of AN and ANI, ]. I have to say that's not a very lively or widely read page, though. There is currently a somewhat relevant thread on it, "AN/I is too long". ] | ] 17:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).


== My topic ban ==
Thanks, I did post a proposal there for commentary ].--] 23:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
:Thanks for letting me know, I'll take a look. ] | ] 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC).


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
== Fair use image use ==


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
Re : Ok, that was out of line. Using profanity at Eagle_101 is inappropriate. What his bot is doing ''is'' appropriate. Working in a sandbox is fine. But, what should be done is that the images you want to be used should be linked, rather than actually displayed. If you need an image for sizing purposes, then use ] and leave a note to yourself in the code of the sandbox pointing to the actual image, when you are ready to go live to mainspace.


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
Lots and lots of people use sandboxes. The problem is two fold. First, our policies prohibit the use of fair use images outside of the main article namespace, and there's no exception for sandboxes. Second, lots of people's sandboxes become old. Where do we place the cutoff on allowable fair use? 10 days? 30? 60 since last edit? The Foundation has made it policy that the cutoff is not to allow them at all. --] 18:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::*Well then the Foundation is a fool! and Durin "''profanity''" nasty word - please do not be so bourgeois it sets my teeth on edge. ] 19:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
::Giano, it is a question of copyright law, they are not doing it out of ignorance. <small>]<sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
*Do not talk to me of the law, the law is maleable - it is designed to be so - who do you think cares an iota if Bishonen has a ancient picture in user space or main space - is the world to suddenly stop? are we all to go instantly to hell? does anyone care what Bishonen does with a mouldy old poster? NO! They do not - just the image police here who fail to assess the situation clearly. Look at the picture and make an informed intelligent decision! God gave you a brain. ] 20:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:*I don't suppose anyone would appreciate my sense of humor if I said "Giano, your remarks assume facts not in evidence and are original research"? Maybe I've just been editing too many contentious articles. It all just struck me as amusing. Carry on. I've probably managed to annoy both of you, without really intending to annoy either. I'm good at that. ] 20:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::*So long as you are not bourgeois like Durin you can say what you like ] 20:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::** Giano, how are your personal attacks warranted? Durin was merely explaining the justification for removing images from editor's sandboxes...that's all. --] 20:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not a personal attack at all, saying "fucking" is a "profanity" in certain circles is considered bourgeois, if to be bourgeois is an insult, that is not my problem. ] 20:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::* I guess...most people would probably consider it profane. You did seem to speak with disdain towards Durin, I guess that was what I was sensing, though that is not really a personal attack (but it is rather uncivil). ::shrug:: --] 20:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::**Most people under 50 in the more educated and civilized pockets of Europe, Iamunknown, say the word "F" without a second thought, maybe not to their grandmothers but to equals on a daily basis several times. "I have fucked up" - "Fuck knows" - "what the fuck" - or just simply "fuck off". I know certain areas of USA are more sensitive but all my friends, who I phnoe daily, in New York and Washington and Chicago and Tokyo seem to be as foul mouthed as their European counterparts - so I expect it will reach you all before long. ] 20:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::*** Whoever said that I am unaccustomed to the word "fuck"? I didn't. Hell, I am, at work, with friends, at town...I just don't use it often, and usually not with people whom I intend to work with (i.e. everyone on the encyclopedia?). --] 20:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::...and I'm sure your Grandmother is very proud of you. ] 20:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::: Indeed. --] 21:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
Oh, FCOL - yes, technically someone somewhere may have copyright in that image (although it has now been tagged at {{tl|PD-US}} based on the physical characteristics of the ship displayed) and using it in a sandbox may technically be infringing their copyright. But do you seriously think that anyone is going to care enough for that image (an ancient Cunard poster) for it to be a ''real'' problem - as distinguished from being identified as a problem by the kind of petty bureaucrat who likes to stick little labels on things, tick little boxes on their voluminous forms, and scold others for breaking their ever-expanding list of rules?


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
And, yes, Bishonen said a naughty word. I'm sure she will wash her own mouth out with soap later. Perhaps the bot will now also be feeling contrite, and can be programmed to say a few "Hail Mary"s and "Our Father"s? -- ] ] 20:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
*Please don't lecture me on how to speak, Durin. Ponder the distinction between using profanity ''at'' Eagle 101, and using it ''while'' talking to Eagle 1. Has the Wikimedia Foundation decided that even a miniscule saving of time for a bot, or a human image remover—saving themselves the trouble of looking at the History to see whether a sandbox is actively edited —outweighs a great inconvenience for a content creator? And that deciding a cut-off point is too.. I don't know.. taxing? That's rather discouraging for writers, though it may make bots happy. Thank you for the information, though. BTW, you'll all be glad to hear that ] has discovered new dating information, retagged the image, which is actually PD, and reverted the bot. Great work, thanks, DreamGuy! ] | ] 22:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
::I think Durin's request that you be civil was very reasonable, your use of profanity was uncivil. <small>]<sup>(Need help? ])</sup></small> 22:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
P.S., my message was directed at Durin and DreamGuy, not at the jury converging on this page. HighInBC and Iamunknown, could you please go share your running commentary where it's more appreciated? Do I keep popping up on either of your pages and give my opinion when you're trying to have a conversation? Well? Do I? Well, then. Please desist. I request it as a courtesy. ] | ] 22:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
:If you allow me to quickly butt in, lady and gentlemen, I did a little online research and discovered which, as you see, displays the poster in question and also features a slightly different, . I have contacted the webmaster, who has confirmed to me that this poster was originally printed in the US in 1921 and the artwork was also featured in postcards (the b&w version happens to be one, in fact). Apparently, the 1922 mods could have not been appreciated in this sectional view, but anyway, the {{tl|PD-US}} tag is therefore correct. I have also been pointed that all this can be confirmed by consulting the book ''"The Cunard fleet 1840-2004"'' by Elspeth Wills. Hope this helps to settle the matter for good. Cheers, ] - 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::(PS. Bish, this may also mean you'd probably have to correct the reference in the article at your sandbox, since the black & white image appears as dated in 1913 there. That could have not been possible, as the sectional view clearly shows the oil tanks at the bottom, and the Aquitania was converted from coal to oil-burning on December 1919. Hugs! :) ] - 01:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::You '''are''' clever! Thanks very much, Phaedriel. Yes, the "1913" was more a sandbox guess, I wasn't intending to say such a thing in mainspace. I'm going to ask for the b&w postcard version to be deleted, since a better version exists. I don't suppose ''you'' are a Commons admin, hint hint? ] | ] 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC).


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
Wow. I had no idea anything here would escalate into people throwing poo at each other, but then some people on Misplaced Pages seem to forget this is an encyclopedia and not some social clique with enemies and allies. For the record, I am 100% behind the idea of following all copyright laws to the best of our ability (and I thoroughly disagree with Giano's comments above about how the law is malleable -- no, not in most copyright cases it isn't), but I think bots and people going through tagging tons of images clumsily isn't really a good way to do it either. Whenever I see bot activity on some page on my watchlist (and Bish's was from leaving some comments recently) I like to double check them. That's why I tried to look into this one, because it looked old enough to me to be public domain, and it turns out it is. I appreciate Phadriel taking the time to come up with definitive evidence of that. On another page on my watchlist that same bot happened to get something right, so I went and cleaned up after it and removed the image from some other pages it didn't belong on either. ] 03:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
:Gosh, he said poo. Where are the language police?
:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:Anyway, ''pace'' DreamGuy, the law - and more particularly its application to a particular set of facts - is seldom as clear and definite as he may think. Even if this was an infringement of someone's copyright, would they bother taking any legal action as a result? I rather suspect not. -- ] ] 09:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
::Someone not bothering to take action (either because they don't know, don't care, or can't afford to sue in every single casse) in no way makes the action legal or moral. And it is pretty clear cut, as a matter of fact. ] 22:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


== December music ==
*I had a rather definitive statement, but it got lost in the section that didn't become a hotbed. I agree with Giano that law is not a binary operator. It is not "legal/illegal." If it were, the world would not be infested with lawyers. No, law is an ''activity'' and not a ''state.'' It is an action, an interpretation, a process, and not a simple attribute. As such, it requires people and minds, and therefore any -bot approach is wrongheaded. ''People'' have to look. A bot has to flag the bot operator to go ''assess.'' As Giano says, we are supposed to have brains, and we have to use them. The bot need not flag the person who last edited a page with an image on it, even though these devices were introduced to warn ''uploaders'' that they had missed a bit. Instead, it needs to flag the person wishing to make a change -- the person wishing to delete an image's placement. Then that person has to think and judge and then ''communicate'' as a person. It cannot be automatic nor automated. ] 15:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
== Friendly Neighborhood Lurker ==


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
Hey there, Bishonen. I just wanted to leave you a quick note, then I'll go back to my life of nonexistence. You and Bishzilla crack me up. You and the monster seem to know just where to be when things get overly dramatic. Thanks for keeping humor alive! ] 18:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:'Zilla know where to be always! Spies everywhere! Ear to the ground! ] '']'' 22:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Loose end ==


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Not to start anything major, but I would not want you left with the impression that I throw accusations around carelessly. ; . I have lots more in-between. But I understand that the real point is not that I throw accusations around carelessly but that I throw them incessently. I do believe that I have finally been heard and I will tone it way down. If there are future actions warranted, I will follow the standard ] routes.{{cquote|The essence of good management is CARING what goes on. -- L. Ron Hubbard}}Thanks for caring, as a manager and as a person. --] 23:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).


== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
;Clarification:
#An Arbcomm dealing primarily with rulings on what types of sources can be used in an article.
#A User personally attacking me with misperceptions instead of addressing particular concerns about sourced or unsourced ''content'' in an article.
*But at any rate, to ], thank you again for your outreach. I believe you may have misunderstood my response, from your "summary" on ANI:
#I will do my best to avoid posting to ANI, though I was not the one who posted the majority of the incidents...
#I have already removed the others' talk pages from my watchlist.
#And the ''only'' reason I have to refuse binding myself to not discussing other individuals, is because the other user does not wish to communicate via email.
] 08:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, guys. I hear you, in both cases. Your wiki-loyalties are your own affair, Smee, but for my part I remain unimpressed by the virtuous assurances of the "other user." (Incidentally I notice Coelacan seems to feel the same way.). ] | ] 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::Thank you for your polite response. I cannot control, however, if Anynobody does not wish to communicate in a medium other than talk pages. ] 04:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revert ==
:] I don't want you to think I'm not acknowledging what you are saying. The point I was trying to make is that I was already doing what you said in the original suggestion when you made it. If you go through my discussions with others concerning the editing habits of ], ], or any other editor has been about only that. Looking at some of the other stuff I see on ] on any given day, pointing out another editor's perceived difficulty with some of the general concepts of Misplaced Pages is very tame. ] 07:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
== ] ==
Hello, Bishonen. An automated process has found and will an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under ] that is in your userspace. The image (]) was found at the following location: ]. This image or media will be removed per criterion number 9 of our ]. The image or media will be replaced with ] , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. This does ''not'' necessarily mean that the image is being deleted, or that the image is being removed from other pages. It is only being removed from the page mentioned above. All mainspace instances of this image will ''not'' be affected Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. ]] 21:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::oh well, it's an ill wind that....I had forgotten about ] how young we all were once! When wikipedia was fun. ] 21:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
:::Speak for yourself, I was never that young. Why aren't you online? I saw you withdrawing ] from FAC, but apparently you're not to have any control over it. Hmm. In that case, I rather wonder why ALoan bothered to ask you before he nommed it. Creating content is no fun any more, I agree. :-( ] | ] 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
Well it seems to be back on FAC but attracting little interest, I was actually withdrawing it because I was furious at an incident in another section of FAC where the footnote citing zealots of FARC where complaining a page was over footnoted - so I was pointing out that they cannot have it both ways. If you ere thinking of a return to FAC I would advise against it.


==Io Saturnalia!==
I think my next submission will just be the footnotes and refs with no text. That should meet the criteria very well. Sadly people don't seem to realise that one can make a series of refs and quotes say anything you want them to. In fact my next page using refs will factually and accurately with full cites show that Wellington was a bisexual psychopath who defeated Napoleon because he was perverted pornographer and Wellington wanted to further his own base sexual gratification. The whole of the Napoleonic wars were series of amorous adventures. Napoleon a noted philanderer <true> having traded his wife in for a younger more sexy model<true> raided Europe collecting pictures of naked ladies <true>. The Italians were very cross <true>, because they were their naked ladies <true>, conspired to help overthrow the pornographer Napoleon <true>, in the meantime Wellington who had moved into Napoleon's sister's house <true> (he had seen a statue of her naked on her sofa <true>) stole Napoleon's mistress <true>). Napoleon was so cross he escaped from Elba <true>. During the ensuing battle of Waterloo <true> which we now know was over a ownership of a mistress - Wellington placed the man who stole his brother's wife in such a position he had his leg shot off <true>. Wellington won the battle and then returned home and wooed the most Mrs Arbuthnot <true> as a result of his success with her she gave him a good write up for posterity in her diary <true> Once Wellingtom had the good write up Mrs Arbuthnot suddenly died <true>. With undue haste Wellington formed a relationship with Mr Arbithnot instead <true>. The two men set up home together <true>. The couple (as they now were) lived together until separated only by death<true> All of that could be reliably sourced and no one could deny it because it would all be reliably referenced - which is why we need authors to sort the refs and explain them -I just wish someone would explain that on FAC. ] 09:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


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:Heck no, I wasn't thinking of a return in that sense, my last nom was kind of traumatic. Or maybe I traumatize easily, I dunno. But my next ''vote'' will be modelled on one presently on ], I think, which reads in full "Support because it has over 123 footnotes" (well, I copyedited it). I trust you will give me occasion to pen such a vote for '''you''', Giacomo! ] | ] 10:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
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== Season's Greetings ==
===That bot is stupid(ly engineered or run or used)===
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I just had Gnomebot try to replace as "unfree" a title page from 1590. The image had <nowiki>{{pd-old}}</nowiki> on it, and it obviously came into existence 150-200 years before copyright even existed, but there it had been not ''tagged'' but actually ''removed'' by a brainless bot. The result of the -bot's actions is that a person with a wild hair who wants tags to be '''just so''' is leaving to people like me, who neither know nor care about the very latest fashion in tags, the change that he thinks is essential. Villainous and counterproductive. ] 12:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
== Talk page revert ==


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
Thanks for reverting my talk page. You reverted it a couple of seconds before I got to it, and ] warned the user a few seconds before I could :) Guess I just have to be quicker on the draw! -- ] <sup style="font-size:9px;">] • ] • ]</sup> 17:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
:Ha, don't say that; you thanked me real fast! ;-) But the vandal was the fastest of us all, check their page blanking spree. Absolutely no reason to keep an account like that around.. ] | ] 17:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
::Indeed, I was looking at that action on their part. Always surprised by those that care only for vandalism. C'est la vie... -- ] <sup style="font-size:9px;">] • ] • ]</sup> 17:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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== The South Shall Rise Again! == == Hope you are doing well ==
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I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


==Merry Christmas!==
I have two rebels today. First, we have ]. He was, uh, a Jacobite, but of the Rob Roy sort. Then I have ], and if I were not lazy, I'd seek additional references in EP Thompson for him, as he is an absolutely perfect target for Marxist history of the sloppy (Geoffrey Hill) or sharp (Thompson) or bizarre (New Historicist) sort. ] 20:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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:Do you have the effrontery to mean to refer to ], my good man? ] | ] 20:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
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I do, indeed, and not the nice and devout and great poet. I never like it when I confuse the hasty historian with the perspicacious poet, but I do so regularly. (And, actually, I'm quite capable of antique condescension when I'm trying to paraphrase out the DNB's even worse sneering.) ] 21:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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:(Edit conflict) I like your Bartholomew! Sad fate, of course. Dead at 29. One senses in your source a suggestion that these rebels ought to have the sense to sit in a study and puff on a pipe and edit the ''DNB'', instead of all that silly agitating. Don't you think so? ] | ] 21:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
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:::Hmm, I didn't know that John Walter was that distinguished, but I should have guessed. Then again, one of the Wiki Projects is to embed -- no lie -- CV material for search sites, so everyone will be owed a Misplaced Pages article soon. ] 21:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
<big>Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!</big>
Yes, of course, or rather that he had it good as a carpenter, so he needed to tend to his trade and wait for the Labour government to come to power in a few hundred years. Also, he seems to dislike not the uprising, but the ''flavor'' of it. Poor fool! Didn't he realize that socialism wouldn't work? It's just so ''tiresome'' that none of these people before Marx had learned that! ] 21:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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==Joyous Season==
:And your Jacobite has already received "cleanup". It's a pity that people will refer to an actually helpful small edit in such a hackles-raising way. I bet they wonder why there's no gratitude. ] | ] 21:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
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::Well, in this case, I don't mind. There was another article already -- under a name that had set up zero redirects, so I couldna find i'. It's an article that leans entirely on the web for its information, and on Stevenson, so it has some rosy romantic glow to it. Mine should probably be the bulk of the article, but I don't mind if one of the others does the merge. I think I'm not supposed to do the merge, as I might be tempted to merge via fire and desolation. ] 21:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I can only plead that I don't see the extreme offense in the term; I'm happy to accept suggestions for a terse edit summary to describe this kind of little add-some-links, refine-some-categories, correct-some-typos gnoming. ] 02:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::::"Copy-edit"? "Tweaks"? "Tweaking"? "Minor fixes"? None of those imply that the article was unclean, dirty, messy, or poorly written before it got scrubbed down. Speaking for myself, I get such bad vibes from "cleanup" that I don't think I've ever used the word in an edit summary, not even when I ''have'' been cleaning up a mess of prose. The authors of ] also seem to receive associations of mess and bad writing from the word: ''"Welcome to the Misplaced Pages Cleanup section! Please report messy articles below, and explain why they need to be cleaned-up (ex. ], spelling, ], order, copyright issues, confusion, etc.)''" ] | ] 02:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC).
:::::Yes, much appreciated, thank you. A little more oil on the social gears generally doesn't hurt around here. ] 03:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


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:::El C's latest edit isn't showing up right now. Database FUBAR? Anyway, Geogre, did you see the nice remark on ]? ] | ] 21:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
:I ''just'' did. I owe Alabamaboy a read, too, and so I was gratified and guilt-stricken simultaneously. It's rather like peanut butter and chocolate: two flavors that make their own experience. ] 21:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::I wonder if our medievalists are still about? In the Steer article, I was pleased that I didn't have to write an article on the land of cockayne, as ] was linked. Well, click on it. Ok, so perhaps I needed instead to be more formal and make it ]. Well, click on ''that.'' Sigh. I should have known. The moment I saw that it was blue, I just should have taken it absolutely for granted that it was a blind alley, that it was a link to someone's bubblegum card or webcomix. ] 22:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


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== Season's Greetings ==
At least all that stuff is blue (''and'' none of it is a band, amazing!) Whereas the ] is red! :-( ] | ] 22:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC).


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(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
Oh, rock? OK. ] | ] 23:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC).


]] 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:What's more, complaining here gets results. There is now a nice dab at Cockayne, and I did an egged Cockaigne|Cockayne in the article anyway. My usual spelling is "Cockaigne" (because I learned about it in my eME class, when I had to translate "The Land of Cockaigne"), but I was quoting, there. Furthermore, Cloud Cuckooland is now properly redirected. When I was in the lieberry doing research for these articles, I tried to make sure that we didn't already have them before I went to the bother, so I was a bit mortified to find out that I was duplicating, but people aren't always very good about setting up redirects. ] 01:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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::That's a coincidence, I've spent the last day just over the border from Cockaigne in ] where they have similarly tasty roofing but a disdain for the toilet. ]] 13:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, be careful that you don't wander into ], because the people there are just plain ''weird.'' They have their heads in their stomachs. Also, although I'm sure that ] directs us right to Australia, "Antipodeans" were supposed to be very like the acrostics. They walked on their hands and wrote with their feet -- being upside down and all. ] 15:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
===Merge===
I went to merge the Stewart articles, but how do you merge two pages that starkly contradict each other (see the final paragraph of each) and where only one (yours, Geogre) has any source? The bit about America and the ] sounds seductively circumstantial... but it could be credulously taken from one of the two novels involved. I couldn't find any Reliable Source about Stewart doing anything after the murder, though I guess that may say more about me than Google. I'm no judge of websites. Anyway, I lost momentum. ] | ] 23:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC).
:I believe the ''DNB'' author that the mentions of Stewart after the murder are ''all'' fiction. What's more, he was a romantic figure, and we both know how romantic figures travel the world twice round while inhabiting an unmarked grave in Flanders. Stewart was a minor man, and the legend grew after he was safely away, so he had no reason or ability to pop up somewhere to say, "Here I am!" I absolutely don't believe that that particular man, with his very common name, came to America, given his circumstances (under a death warrant in the UK would tend to make one shy of contact with the English). ] 01:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Bishonen. The merge looks good to me, and you saw what I was talking about: people wanting to write a life to suit a novel. ] 11:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


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The External links policy page seems to have been taken over by people who are making changes without discussing them first, and then reverting claiming consensus and need to discuss if the new sections want to be changed. It's getting freaking obnoxious there. Right now someone went out of their way to suddenly explicitly ENCOURAGE people to link to blog sites, when that was always on the list of to be avoided sites. Pages of that importance to the project should not be tampered with lightly, and the person doing it is leaving deceptive edit comments claiming consensus whenever he reverts to his version. I hope that you and others can go take a look. ] 18:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


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==Got a month?==
Hello, ] could use a hand.

Two editors are insisting that material be included, which has been repeatedly discussed and rejected by multiple editors.

The two editors are failing (or refusing) to address the challenges and concerns posed in discussion and are simply tag-team reverting their preferred version.

I have requested page protection and I am currently at 3RR, so I cannot edit there any longer.

This has been an on going long term slow edit war for some time.

Now, rather than address the concerns, one of the editors is trying to tie my original username (that had admin in it) into the discussion.

Is it appropriate to slur in a reference to my original one-post username? She isn't even referring to the correct username and has decided that since all the history has been deleted (for a username that never existed) that something untoward is going on.

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I think this is counterproductive and needs to stop.
These two editors are refusing to address the concerns and are stopping to trying to discredit by implication.

We could use some help there.

Thanks again. ] 16:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

:Have I got a ''sec''? I'm reading the talkpage, I'll get back to you around... hmm... /''me scrolls down to check on size''... oh, around Christmas. Unless you have a suggestion for where I can find an up-to-date informative summary and overview somewhere round there? Regards, ] | ] 16:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC).

::HAHAHAHAHAHA Exactly! *section header here changed*

::The overwhelming concensus is that the material in question is inappropriate in its current form to be included in the article. If you jump down to the LANDMARK section of the discussion, and then scroll down near the first section break, you will see the arguments a bit more formalized.

::Jeff. and Ester. are refusing (or failing) to address the specific concerns and are simply saying.. its sourced so it can be included. They are not addressing the question of 'relevance?' 'significance?' .. NPOV bias by mis-representing the citations by cherry-picking comments... etc. They simply revert their old 'preferred' (by them) version. ] 16:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

::I assume that MedCab is the next step. In the mean time Ive asked for Page Protection and I'm asking you if ER could be formally cautioned against the direction of slurring that she is headed. I'm not going to cry NPA, but her writing is clearly counter productive and not related to the article discussion. ] 16:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Formally, no. I'm going to assume good faith, however little others have been doing so. ] | ] 17:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC).
::::Ok. Thank you. I would like to assume good faith as well. It's difficult when the editor inserted (and struck out) the same incorrect username in 4 different places during the same edit before clicking Submit, and worded it as an accident. To me, at the least, it was a counter productive edit.

::::I brought it to you for an impartial look. I haven't been here long enough to know what is ignored under AGF and what is something that rises to the level of being 'advised against'.

::::As for the page itself, I have asked for PageProtection, while the discussion and probably MedCab are utilized. My concern is that the two editors are reverting their old preferred version over top of other editors who are making edits, and thus many of those internediate edits are being lost.

::::Thanks again. ] 18:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::I don't know if you noticed that I wrote to the user—informally—always the best way to start, I think, even though on this occasion it went over like a ]. I have now added a formal warning.
:::::John, I must caution you about using 3RR as an entitlement to revert ''three'' times a day, and only being concerned to avoid reverting the dreaded four times. I've seen you imply before that it's all right to revert three times, and now you're doing it again. It isn't all right. It's ], which is considered harmful. Take a look: ''The rule does not convey an entitlement to revert three times each day, nor does it endorse reverting as an editing technique; rather, the rule is an "]".<ref name="electric fence">See ]</ref> Editors may still be ] ''even if they have not made more than three edits in any given 24 hour period'', if their behavior is clearly disruptive....The bottom line: use common sense, and do not participate in edit wars... If an action really needs reverting that much, somebody else will probably do it.'' (]) ] | ] 19:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC).
::::::I had not seen your post, but I have now. Thank you for taking time to look into the situation.
::::::I'm aware that 3RR does not give cart blanche to revert right up to 3RR and stop and it was not my intention to imply that. In this case, I'd request that you notice that ''in combination'' I also requested page protection. That is not justification, as there is none for edit warring, it was simply my rationale at the time.
::::::As you can see from the article talk page, this situation has been going on for quite some time, in a slow motion edit war that has not been making any constructive progress. And as a bedtime read, you can form you own opinion about the efforts being made on the article talk page.
::::::''Hopefully'', now that the page is protected, everyone will be willing to come to the table to compromise, rather than brute force the material IN -or- OUT. I have said this on the article talk page, and I have specifically (on their user pages and in the article talk page) invited both J and ER to participate. It is clear that they have a very strong opinion that the material should be included. I'm trusting that they will be flexible on how it is worded and that everyone can agree upon a compromise.

::::::Best Regards.
::::::Peace. ] 01:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like MedCab it is. ]
] 14:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps that was unavoidable, but sometimes I wonder what it is we do here, spending more and more time on arguing and less and less on creating content. Anyway, John, you realize the mediator will have the posts of ''many'' editors to read, hint, hint? Long posts are not your friends, or theirs. You recollect the person who wrote about "brevity" on your page? ] | ] 15:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC).
::mmm m m mm m mmmm ] 16:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::M. ] | ] 17:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC).
::::What do I get for re-naming MedCab to MeowCab? ] 17:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::You get anything you want as always! But I always thought the present name, Medicine Cabinet, was rather good, why change it... ? ] | ] 17:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC).
Mmm. Hopefully its better now. ] 18:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:Sure. Improved. ] | ] 18:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC).

==Second opinion==
Bish, I would much appreciate it, if you have the time, to take a look on ] and tell me if I am being unclear, or somehow conveying the wrong impression, or something. Sections ''#criticism section'' and ''#Deleted content from talk page''. The references to Vandalism are due to the Undo of Harlequinn (Harley)'s edit , and my informing him on the Atheism talk page and his talk page that article talk pages are archived, not deleted. I'd go into more detail, but I'd really prefer you take a look yourself - if you don't have time and would prefer I put together a synopsis, I will do so. Checking his edit summaries will probably go a long way to explaining the situation. Thanks very much - ]<sup>]</sup> 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hiya, Yappy. I've been staring at it in growing despair. The bricolage of misundertaken policy fragments is defeating me, I don't know where to start and I don't know which bits are relevant to your question. Look at this red herring in the #criticism section, for instance. Harley writes: "The Misplaced Pages:Criticism guideline supports the changes I think should be made. Quotes: ..."No article should feature criticism about its topic, as those criticisms are always more appropriate at another location. For example, criticisms of Christianity do not belong in the article on Christianity, but in the articles of Christian-critical groups and concepts."

:So I thinks, how very strange, does a guideline (actually an essay, but whatever) really say that, considering it contradicts all policy and all common sense? So I go look it up in the Criticism essay, and, naaah. That quote turns out to be (while correctly quoted) a complete misunderstanding. The essay gives is as one of several ''examples of an extreme and untenable opinion.'' Did I mention Harley plucks it out and says it supports him...? I presume in good faith, but what a mess, what a mangrove swamp, what a rhetorician's hell, stuck trying to explain what's wrong with ''that''. And is it even relevant, should I take it between my teeth and run with it, straight up the vertical wall of the ], or is it one of many, many wrong sticks?

:In other words, hell yes, put together a synopsis, give me a ] or better still a ] unit, for I'm lost. I'm drowning. ] | ] 12:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC).

::Oh darn... Me too. I really should not be so hasty to offer a (unwritten) synopsis, I confess I was counting on your amazing ability to make sense out of mayhem. I will attempt to collate a synopsis and shall return forthwith. (That's a pun - will return forth, ''with'' the synopisis; if no one else posts in this section before I get back, it will be the fourth post.) ]<sup>]</sup> 12:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Goeth fourth and conquerth. ] | ] 12:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC).

::::Well, as you have posted, it is now fifthwith, which if not so punny is more poetic, in a doggeral sort of way (being a dog, I appreciate that.) I will attempt to summarize rather than compile a synopsis. Summary of situation: Harlequinn, a new user, shows remarkable knowledge of obscure wiki-rules, yet utterly lacks comprehensive understanding of same. While merrily citing left and right, he also attacks all and sundry. In short, it is unclear to me whether he is a thoroughly uncivil individual who lacks basic manners, yet is editing in good faith, or is a common garden variety troll, perhaps with previous experience here under another handle. I lack the wit to discern which it is. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::You have mail. ] | ] 15:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC).
::::::Mail received and advice appreciated. I will strongly consider that approach. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

== Trouble with User ==

Hi, Bish, I have been having trouble with ] who has been abusing {{tl|helpme}} notices, and has delivered personal attacks to me, , and . He has also has left a note on , even though I told him the correct answer numerous times, twice. And, he is going to file an RFC against me. '''I am seriously thinking about taking matters to the community for him to be banned or take matters in an ] thread.''' Anyway, please let me know what you think, and I will come back here for advice. Thanks. '''<font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">]</font>''' 07:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:DYKW, I will file an ANI thread...'''<font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">]</font>''' 07:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hi, Real. I think I'll weigh in, since I've had some interchange with the user. I'ver told him he's being discussed on ANI. ] | ] 10:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC).


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] is full on his old tricks of blind reverting all sorts of changes I made to pages to try to get at me, edit warring, personal attacks and etc. See Dilbert edit (where he leaves a deceptive edit comment about an infobox and goes back and restores a number of links I had removed almost a month ago); Werewolf fiction (where he lies and calls my adding a spam template and him removing it as "rvv"); Dragon, again, , where he couldn't get consensus to restore the links he wanted before so he now removed virtually all rest as "spam," which most certainly was not at all what anyone said on the talk page about THESE links (his links, yes, but these are freaking NEWS articles); Lycanthropy (and others, most of these have multiple reverts) where he just blind reverted again and giving no justification). This guy is chronically lying about what his edits are to trick anyone who isn't paying attention into thinking he's doing something normal when he's just undoing what I did. ] 07:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'm going to look right now. But I'm always reluctant to invoke the "stalking" bugbear—I don't really believe there is such a thing as stalking, unless the edits are pure "nuisance edits". If they are, I'll intervene, you may be sure. ] | ] 17:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC).
::I'm not stalking you, I'm only following your every move, only to make edits to the contrary of you! ] 17:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Aww! Follow me to ], then to ]! ] | ] 17:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC).
::::Now that's what I'm talking about, again! ] 17:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


== ] modified to allow for bullying ==


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Thank you for reverting the nonsense added to the shunning guideline which called for "difficult editors" to be asked questions which would cause them to "reveal" their "motives" and be used as a "behavior modification technique". Unfortunately, the same editor modified ] ''again'' so that "pertinent" questions could be asked as a way to "induce" editors to "reveal their aims". Hence, bullying and aggressive questioning of ''motives'' is an acceptable tactic to use against an editor who wishes to practice shunning as an alternative to feeding the troll. ] 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:Grrrr! ] | ] 20:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC).


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== Happy Holidays ==
Some more troubled souls from the past. First, we have a political tool who was abused by Titus Oates: ]. After that, we have a man who kept a diary and went all over the place: ]. I have thoughts about writing up ] (or ]), but I really don't think she amounts to more than a stub. ] 20:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::What is the thing with titled people here? Most people in the world don't have them, can we not concentrate on them, even I chose the only Arbuthnot to be a mere Mrs! ] 20:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Geogre - I can email you the Dictionary of National Biography's stub on France Neville, if you don't already have access to it. --] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Look! I do not want to talk about titled people - I so not want to read about them - I have had enough of titled people to last a life time - and do not say Hey! to me in that fashion - "Good evening Giano! please. ] 20:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'll take that as a no. A very good evening and a very good night to you.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Oh never mind, just pretend I never said anything.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'm sorry: I was off writing. No, I got my stub ''from'' the ''DNB,'' so it's no better nor worse. Giano: the reason I wrote about her is that she wrote a book of prayers, and I was conscious of the fact that, in my hopscotching through the cemetery of the DNB I had not found very many women to write about. I wanted to find a woman to write about, and I couldn't find a female rebel, so I settled for a woman who doesn't appear to have had a happy marriage. ] 20:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:Also, WikiAlf, thank you for the offer. The way I get my "made to order" articles is by sitting down with the print ''DNB'' and looking for fitting folks. I then take notes, rearrange to get out of their format (ick!), try to concentrate on contextualizing, if I can, and then write. Giano, she's at Frances Neville. The other one is a ''redirect.'' After all, I need to have ''something'' link to the article, as I fear not much would, otherwise. The featured player in all of this, for my money, is Mr. Prance. He's got the name and the misery. ] 20:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'm lucky enough to have access to the online DNB, so it was an easy offer. I noticed the red link go blue and checked it out - hence my last post about neverminding it. (btw I prefer to be called Alf, I ended up with that username as I was somehow not allowed to create "Alf", "ALF" or "A.L.F.", if you don't fancy ''Alf'' "hey stupid" will do).--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


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== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
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]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the e-mails. I will just wait this out for the moment. ] isn't everything, and I can contribute to wikipedia in other ways. I stole your wikimood as well as your RFA counter. I plan to credit you on my userpage. Thanks, and have a great day. '''<font color="#5B92E5" face="georgia">]</font>''' 12:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:He he, the Zen moods? That's such a coincidence, because just yesterday I was trying to steal your header--your userpage banner that changes--the one with ?--but, no surprise, I'm too clueless. Also I suspect it's not possible, since it's made up of images--right?--whereas what I wanted was to be able to input pithy short texts. ("Roarr" comes to mind.) I guess there's no way of doing that..? No, I thought not. Keep smiling. ] | ] 13:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC).
::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).
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== Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef? ==
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Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that {{checkuser|Dev0745}}'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them ], have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an ], and I should just accept the ''fait accompli'' and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan <em>politics</em> instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.{{pb}}<em>On the other hand</em>, we have ], which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by ] as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted ] that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @] (previous block), @] (previous TBAN), and @] (general expertise). <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:I was rather expecting that argument. It's breathtakingly specious. No, you don't fail to ''note'' that you're reverting BLP violations, indeed; it's just that the things you revert signally fail to ''be'' BLP violations. They count all right. ] | ] 19:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC).
:Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. ] &#124; ] 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.] <small>(])</small> 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That sounds like a good idea. @]: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of {{tq|boosterism}}; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. ] (]) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. ] (]) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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:@]: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from '''politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan'''. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, you have made charges here--that my argument is "breathtakingly specious" and that the things I have reverted "signally fail" to be WP:BLP violations--without providing any argument or evidence in support of them. Why then should I accept your charges?


::As you wish. ] (]) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::I will be quite happy to discuss this matter with you on rational grounds (but not by trading unsubstantiated charges back and forth; that is not ] behavior). If you can convince me that employment of the N-word equivalent N___ O___ M___, in the manner in which Watchdog07 employs it, is '''not''' a WP:BLP violation, I will be willing to refrain from reverting it on that ground.


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I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::You're asking me to prove a rather random negative. Your contention that everything you don't like is a BLP vio is too absurd to address. It's like arguing with the ] or something. I have already referred you to the policy itself—]—and to the ] page. Please review them. Meanwhile, as long as you're willing to refrain from violating 3RR, I'm willing to refrain from blocking you. That's my best offer. ] | ] 20:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC).
:Hi, {{u|3OpenEyes}}. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the ] requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- ] &#124; ] 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
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If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Replied and actioned. Bishonen | tålk 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Bishonen, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy New Year, Bishonen!

Happy New Year!

Bishonen,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
Dympies (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Dympies (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

Administrator changes

added Sennecaster
readded
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CheckUser changes

added
readded Worm That Turned
removed Ferret

Oversight changes

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef?

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that Dev0745 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them in 2023, have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an adverse possession unblock, and I should just accept the fait accompli and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan politics instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.

On the other hand, we have this edit, which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by BhagyaMani as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted at AN that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @RegentsPark (previous block), @El_C (previous TBAN), and @Abecedare (general expertise). -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.RegentsPark (comment) 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. @Dev0745: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of boosterism; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. BhagyaMani (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. Dev0745 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dev0745: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
As you wish. Dev0745 (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, 3OpenEyes. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the Extended confirmed protection requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- Bishonen | tålk 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)