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@] , Requesting your inputs @ ], if the topic interests you. Thanks.
You'd PROD articles that should go to AfD? Huh. This is something you're proud of? Isn't that just laziness? ] 05:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
*Hmmm, well, maybe. Still, a lot of articles are obvious AfD's rather than PRODs. But I see your point. ] 07:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


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== Putting Things Simply ==


] (]) 17:22, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Since I understand that you're not going to let process get in the way of writing the encyclopdia, an admirable plan, I've decided to phrase this in a simple, straightforward, and obvious way: stop making . Thanks! ] 13:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


== ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message ==
: Sure, Phil. I'm glad to help you improve your editing. I believe the crux of the matter is that your understanding of what the word "verifiable" means is flawed. Perhaps chatting with some journalism professors might help? I'm sorry that you feel my blunt observation that these edits are bad is incivil, but I really think I'd be doing you a disservice to mince words. You need to step up to the plate and do a better job. To put it in terms that you should understand, I think you need to consider what would happen if someone ''other than you'' showed up at an article &mdash; let's pick "George Bush", for the sake of argument &mdash; and said "Oh, I talked to George Bush's wife at a dinner party, and she says that his favorite color is green." That's the type of edit you are making; ''even if true'' it doesn't meet our standards for inclusion. That's a bad edit. It's not incivil to point that out. Hope that helps!] 14:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


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:: When you say "such corroboration is uneccesary," you're clearly mistaken. I think what you meant was that such corroboration ''exists'', because it was a public forum, etc., etc. Unfortunately, since you don't actually provide any such citation to reputable third-party reports of that public forum, we're left with just your word. Which, obviously, is insufficient. I mean of course I trust you -&mdash; your word is absolutely golden to me, Phil! &mdash; but it's utterly inadequate for inclusion in the encyclopedia. I hope that clears things up for you. ] 14:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Phil - according to the you deleted ] on 14 September. I can't tell what your rationale for deleting was as you didn't give an edit summary, so would you mind telling me why you deleted it? It has already survived an ], so PRODing wouldn't be appropriate. --] 01:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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== Good article reassessment for ] ==
:Putting the text back up would be helpful, thanks, I've been meaning to tackle the article for a while. Might as well do it now. --] 01:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 17:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


== Some bubble tea for you! ==
::Many thanks. --] 02:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


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== Just write the bloody encyclopedia ==
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:''So I figured why not try it? After all, I've been here for two and a half years. I've got a pretty good idea of what we're doing here. Why not just stop worrying about what all the policy pages say today, and about what the process to list something on AfD is?''
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | nothing to do with wikipedia but i love the thoughtfulness and granularity of your doctor who writing - like, it's a small thing, but it takes remarkable dedication to do something like "only name blog posts after fragments of quotes from any doctor but the subject of the post" consistently across a decade. (and your 'the god complex' post fundamentally changed how i thought about the episode!) ] (]) 01:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Guess how long I've been around. In the spirit of experimentation, I suggest logging out for a while too. I'm serious. ] 03:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

:I did that for about a month. Watchlist free living is wonderful. ] 03:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

::Bah. That's what Related Changes is for. But, you have my worthless anonymous blessing either way. Go, and sin no more. ] 03:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== Good luck ==

Just wanted to wish you well with the project. Wish I had your balls. That's all, really. --] <small>]</small> 15:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Don't bother with a ] on ], I assumed too much good faith in the comments made in the deletion discussion, after a much more thorough review there is no reason to hold up the emerged consensus in that discussion. I've deleted the page, it's talk page, and it's redirect, and updated ]. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Thanks, — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

== OUT OF PORCESS ROUGE ADMNIN ==

Bah! I keep looking at your process log hoping for more ... - ] 12:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

==]==

] is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found ]. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. ] 14:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== L'affaire Bogdanov ==

Greetings and salutations. I noticed that way back when, you helped bring the dispute over ] before the ArbCom. You might like to see the current state of that article and find out how a few of us have tried to improve it. My personal hope is that getting all the details in the open will make life easier the next time such a brouhaha erupts, either in Misplaced Pages or elsewhere. ] 01:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

== Use common sense ==

You seem to be saying "use common sense". Isn't there a guideline that says this already? I'm probably thinking of ], but I wrote something on this recently that seems similar to what you are saying: . ] 13:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Court of infinite appeals ==

Like you said earlier, I've now seen rather more 4th and 5th AFD nominations than I'd care for. It's a well-known fact that if an article is deleted a bunch of times, we protect it against recreation unless it passes through DRV; how about if an article is kept-on-AFD a bunch of times, it is protected against deletion unless it passes through DRV? Would it be instruction creep to say that "after X AFDs that didn't result in deletion, any further attempts may be speedily closed unless DRV decides otherwise"? ] 21:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:Just noticed this here while following up something else. Hope you don't mind me butting in. I would say it depends on the reason for the renomination. If the reason is based on an argument where consensus may have changed, then AfD is a suitable venue. If it is a bad-faith nomination where not much has changed, then that should be incorporated into the speedy close reasons. I would add something to the AfD guidelines (or expand the existing guidelines) to guide people on when it is suitable to renominate (ie. article content has changed - though surely reverting back to the earlier version would address this; a policy has recently changed; previous debates were very close or did not reach a consensus). I would be against any protection of articles merely because they had been nominated for deletion lots of times. Also, it needs to be clearer whether contesting "keep" results at AfD is done through DRV or a new AfD. ] 10:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

== Reliable Sources ==

] - I have taken your name in vain and could do with your contribution wearing your professional hat - ] 10:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

* Being a bit ], I've moved your excellent work to ], and will interleave it with the text of ]. --] 18:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

A proposal that NOR and V be combined, and RS ditched. Your views would be most welcome. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 04:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

:Would this be enough to help with the situations you find frustrating? "There are certain articles about pop culture and fiction that are forced to rely on self-published posts on bulletin boards, blogs, and Usenet, because no other sources exist for them. These kinds of sources should only be used for articles about pop culture and fiction. The material relied on must have been posted by named individuals with a known expertise in the area, although the individual need not be a professional in a relevant field. Anonymous posts should never be used." See ], point 4. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 05:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, thanks. I've also added this in the section discussing primary/secondary sources: "Articles about pop culture and works of fiction may sometimes rely on editors' interpretations of primary source material, because of the lack of secondary sources. In these cases, editors should use good editorial judgment and common sense." I'm hoping that will help too. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 13:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Professional to recognised ==

I've attempted to get a change from professional to recognised through. Thoughts appreciated either way. ] <small>]</small> 19:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

== Speedy Gonzales ==

Hey, Phil. Replying in full here, as I don't think it's extremely pertinent to the WP:ATT discussion. I considered rewriting the ] page, but I've just got too much on my plate right now. In addition to Schneider's ''That's All Folks!'', the standard animation histories by Beck, Maltin, Solomon, Barrier, etc., and the DVD commentary on the ''Golden Collection'' discs, there is quite a lot of information about Speedy as a Mexican stereotype and whether or not this is a good thing. Just look at these . are also potentially useful, though I haven't looked at them carefully. Finally, newspaper and magazine archives can probably turn up information on any protests/anti-protests against or for the character. I think there's more than enough there for someone to whip that article into a good, scholarly FA. — ] 04:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

== Re:Felony vandalism ==

When I wrote that edit summary, I thought that vandalizing the main page of Misplaced Pages was grounds for an indefinite block. I apologize if you misheard. --] 18:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

== RE: Removing your semi-protection ==

It's nice of you to leave me a note but please don't screw with <i>any</i> of my pages unless you are indeed a sysop/admin.

I think it's important for newbs to contact the appropriate people on Misplaced Pages for any questions and concerns they may have, not me. I do not welcome, appreciate, nor respond to Anonymous comments unless I absolutely feel the need to. ], Phil. ] 00:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

==Removing semi-protection==

Hi. I've removed the semi-protection on your talk page. I know that vandalism of talk pages can be a problem, but it's important that users be able to be contacted by newbies with questions and concerns about things they don't understand. I hope you understand - please feel free to contact me with any questions. ] 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem--my page seems to have pretty clearly fallen w/in the "special circumstances" clause] of ], but the vandal has since moved on. I actually would appreciate your removing protection on my front page as well. Note: I understand your position and opinion on this subject, but looking at the discussion at ] that you are involved in, it does not seem to have yet been accepted as WP. -] 15:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

== GA deletion ==

], though its GA status is contested (and thus it's removed from the list). However, that was due partially to a merging of badly written material into the article. But it was a GA when it was nominated, which suggests to me that some AfD nominators don't care about GA status. I believe under a strict interpretation of the current WP:V rules the sources wouldn't be allowed in. I'm not sure if a more lenient interpretation would have allowed them in either. ] 18:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for explanation==
Hi. Thank you for with getting me to understand ]. Your points were an important help, though I still think that the task of determining whether or not a site enjoys respect within its community... sucks.

I'm sorry for the pointlessly confrontational tone. More than one editor had previously told me that clear, uncontestable, publically available evidence of our own eyes is completely worthless. "We are an encyclopedia, therefore we don't write about what is ]" ... "we write about what is ] through ]..." Gah. :P

==]==
You deleted the above page after a prod expired. I have previously read that article, and was about to read it again today, but it appears I came one day too late to remove the prod and save the article. How would one go about getting this article undeleted? ] 09:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
:It has already survived one AFD, so what makes you think it will not survive another? After all it is the main article to a section in a "featured article". So if it's good enough for a section in a featured article, its probably good enough to expand upon.
:Your reasoning against this article is contradictory, you say:
::''the article is an unsourced fan theory that is necessarily based on unreliable and minor sources.''
:Which is it? Either it's sourced or it's not. I'm not sure what your problems are with the sources, but for articles about television shows, the television show itself is a very good source, not minor, not unreliable. The article also sources things directly to the producers of the show, another very good source. Anyways, if you want to put it up for AfD you can but I really doubt it will get deleted. ] 23:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

What happened to the original ] article? This article survived its recent (few days ago) AfD. Thanks ] 19:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Was proper process followed in deleting it? (Please respond on my talk.) Thanks ] 21:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:The last deletion was proper even though it appears to have been deleted a few ''mere hours'' after being posted on the DRV ?
Also, what is your distate, that you speak of, for the DRV (that I am begining to share)?
(As before, please respond on my talk page.)
Thanks
] 01:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

==Connecting all of reality together==
You wrote "The problem is... well, let's pull up a solid midlist Marvel
character - Speedball. 1603 word article. Only 500 words of that
pertain to the real world instead of the fictional world of the
comics. That's the problem. Fancruft is in many ways a poor choice of
terms for this. Especially since it's not even necessarily the case
that the information itself is the problem. The problem is that
virtually the entire article was written so as to pertain to the
Marvel Universe, with occasional citations of issue number." .

Which made me think of the problems in articles about economic systems in which enthusiasts pro and con anarchism and communism and capitalism go on and on and on with pie in the sky theories and barely coming down from their clouds long enough to source ideas much less tie ideas to concrete real word implementations of ideas (see ] for the real world).

Which made me think of ] in which the "science is based on evidence" clan does battle with the "ideas are science too" clan in the field of cosmology as it related to plasma.

Which made me think of ] which holds that all knowledge should be based on logical inference from observable facts.

Which made me think of our troubles in wording ] The point of attribution is credibility; which is achieved with an internal consistancy combined with connecting it all to objective reality. Sounds like our pop culture articles need to be grounded to objective reality to a greater degree.

Which reminds me of answering "Because the author thought it would sell books" when asked why a fictional character displayed a certain psychological trait by an English teacher in my youth. But I digress... ] 17:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

==BnG AfD==

I wasn't sure if you were aware of the ], but as a webcomic AfD I figured I should mention it to you. The article probably does need some clean up (to indicate popularity/historical importance in popularizing sprite comics), but it shouldn't be deleted. ] 11:40, 25 October 2006.

==Prestige==
Hi, I left you a message on ], under the heading, "Rivalry". Could you explain what you mean by speculation? Thanks. &mdash;] | ] 05:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hi, again. I saw your comments on talk, and I'm a little busy at the moment, but I should have a reply up within the next 12-24 hours. I just wanted to let you know. &mdash;] | ] 00:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== An interesting discussion ==

...concerning what is, and ain't, original research is to be found over at ]. Salient points:

* The term ] doesn't appear to be formally defined anywhere that is a clear reliable source--some "roadgeek" pages do provide definitions for the term. However, in the roadgeek community, there is FTMP a consensus about what the term means, with some quibbling over details.
* The page provides an extensive list of ghost ramps, primarily in North America with a few in the UK. Many of them are documented with satellite photos from google, MSN earth, or similar imagery services, in which roadworks which lead nowhere are easily visible. Some users are suggesting that this sort of documentation is unsuitable--and that inferring that a given roadwork is a "ghost ramp" from such imagery is OR. (Disclaimer--I was responsible for quite a bit of content there...)
* There also seems to be a bit of confusion between OR and unsourced material. (Some claims in the article are currently unsourced, though sources can be provided in most cases--I have no issue with suitable application of {{]}} tags).
* There was an ] for the page--the discussion produced a lack of clear consensus (though the tally was 9 keep and 5 nuke), so the article was kept. The proponents of the AfD are largely now the ones raising the OR claims (note--I am not objecting to their presence on the page or to their arguments).

I thought that your opinion and/or analysis, should you choose to drop in and take a look, might be helpful. "Roadcruft", like fancruft and other pop culture topics, is one of those areas which is generally not well-documented in scholarly secondary sources, and has to rely a bit on self-published material and/or generous inference from prmary sources--although in this case, the inferences are reasonable.

Thanks,

--] 04:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Recent block to Thenatureboy ==

Hey, thanks for handling this so promptly. Things had gotten VERY out of hand VERY quickly. I was not aware that he had upset anyone else besides me and perhaps that "Amber" something. I was attempting to handle the situation more slowly; I had not yet personally contacted an admin regarding this, but was going through consultation with AMA, and was about to file an RfC with the help of an advocate. Just a few questions from here 1) With the current block in place, should we consider letting it cool down for a while? I have already instituted a personal moratorium myself on editing the articles in question for at ''least'' a week, maybe longer, to let things blow over. 2) Even in light of the block, I assume the RfC is moot at this point. If he continues the problematic behavior, should I contact you directly, or should I proceed with the RfC? Thank you for your help with this (even if I didn't ask for it). Please respond on my talk page, as I don't watch others talk pages (makes my watchlist too unmanagable). --]] 16:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== wikiturfing: to reference or not to reference? that is the question ==

hi phil, i empathise to some degree with your comments about wikipedia policy. In any case, if you look at ] you'll see some links to an actual confusion regarding "reliable sources" in the context of ] and ] - feel free to wade into the pages themselves (discuss with me and stbalbach on the relevant talk pages, or just edit the articles) rather than try to argue policy. :) ] 22:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Fiction essay ==

Thanks for the heads-up. I want to carefully consider what you have written so far before contributing. ] (]) 18:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

== Questions ==

Excellent answers, thank you. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 23:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

==Fiction essay==
A cursory look over doesn't throw up any real red flags (as you say, it's brainstorming) except that it might be pertinent to note that fictional biographies can go some way to supplementing articles that have grown a bit too large (], for example), keeping in mind, of course that it's all supposed to be from a non-fictional perspective. I'll keep an eye on the essay, see where it goes. --] (] • ]) 01:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

==Some help if you can==

I noticed you left a conspicuous box on top of the ] page. I didn't find the help on "in-universe" writing from the boxed link particularly practical. By their very nature, I find that pretty much ''every fictional biolgraphy'' in Misplaced Pages contains large elements of an in-universe perspective. Are we going to place a box on them all?

Obviously you have strong views on the subject - perhaps you could elaborate on the sort of style that is appropriate for Misplaced Pages on the ] page. Or even better, make changes that present the same information in a more appropriate style. ] 08:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


:'''Seconded!''' I looked up the ] site, and saw that it had been tagged for deletion (not just for reworking). It was missing some sources, so I added a few, but now it's apparently back on the delete list. Along with almost 40 other B5 characters, which you marked for deletion or cleanup within the space of 16 minutes. (Very efficient, I'll give you that.) Instead of forcing both of us to carry on a debate on 40 seperate pages, I thought I'd just ask here what's going on.

:Is there a gold standard for fictional characters which deserve a mention here? Major part in a novel? Minor in three? Minor in a best-seller? If so, please let me know, then start applying those standards to every work of fiction on Misplaced Pages. As for the style - maybe you can start going after pages without any references before you worry about about the tone of such articles. Or suggest a style of writing which meets with your approval - if "fictional character" at the start of the article isn't enough, should it be in every paragraph? Every line?

:I appreciate your enthusiasm, and I agree that minor (emphasis on ''minor'') characters should be merged into a list. I also agree that such articles need to be referenced, and not turn into expansive fan fiction without a single source quoted. However, if these sources are listed, and it's clearly stated that the article is based on fiction, I don't see a problem. ] 11:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

==Your response re:SPOV==
Phil,
I really like your response to the NPOV-SPOV question. Your answer is easily the pace-setter so far; it captures all the proper nuance with admirable concision.--] 23:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

==]==

Can you please clarify why did you put a "cleanup fiction-as-fact" there? I honestly cannot see what in this little article demerits such classification. To me it looks like a pretty straightforward retelling of a plot, using only commonly used terms (the only term which is used in a slightly unusual way, "sail", is specifically explained) and no "perspective" at all. Just facts. ] 01:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
:Your response was rather unhelpful, sorry. I don't see how this article is not compliant to this requirement: "a summary of the plot or elements of character and exposition, treated briefly, and clearly defined as fictional." It is a brief summary, and it is clearly defined as fictional in the first sentence ("a science fiction short story"). Short of prepending "In this fictional story" to each and every sentence and "fictional" to each noun, I don't see what might be done. Is this what you are proposing? Please offer some specific critique or remove your notice. ] 06:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

==]==

Hi, ]&nbsp;(]{{·}}&nbsp;]) was recently autoblocked for sharing the IP address of {{user|Terryeo}}. Since he was forthright about declaring that he was Terryeo's son before being challenged about it and looking over his editing history, I'm inclined to believe him so I've lifted the autoblock. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid">]]</span></small> 04:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

== Block of user Terryeo ==
Hi Phil, would you please log your block of Terryeo in his Arb Com file? It would be good to have a history since there has been an ongoing problem with this user. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Terryeo
] 14:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Phil. I noticed that the controversies about the Scientology articles have settled down over the last month. Now I know why. I thank you for your responsible administration. --] 04:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== User:Slightlyright ==

Too early for a CheckUser at this time, but ] is the latest Scientology gallery duck to pop up. Apparently originally posting as ], starting about 4 hours after Terryeo's final post. May have nothing to do with Terryeo at all, but this brand-new user has jumped in swinging, well-versed in Misplaced Pages terminology and on the major attack towards me. See ]. ] 17:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

==Freedom Wiki Template==
{{Freedom wiki}}
With regard to , just thought I'd nudge things along a bit. ] 19:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


: There's been a lot of resistance in the past to using boxes for non-Wikimedia Foundation sites that look like the ] templates. This has come up often in ]. The objection is that having boxes set aside is an advertising tool which should be limited to Foundation projects. All others should use "standard" bullet-list style entries in "External links" (ala ]). I'm not sure if the culture has changed lately to expand acceptance of non-Misplaced Pages boxed links, as I've been away from that argument lately. -- ] ] 03:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

==Re: Regarding fiction and B5==

I agree that, where available, out-of-universe sources are welcome. A writer or commentator can discuss themes behind the character, and reveal aspects the audience never considered. Real-life issues with the actor/writer/publisher/studio also add to this understanding, as they might explain why a character takes an unexpected turn. But the character's direct actions, as portrayed in the fiction, must be the heart of the article - these extras only add to the understanding of said character. People can debate the motivations behind an action, but not without knowing the actions themselves.

As for the other B5 articles you've tagged for deletion (], ], ], and ]), I agree that they should be combined on some sort of minor characters page - I'm thinking of a format right now. (Btw, were any other B5-related articles tagged for deletion, or speed-deleted, that I missed?)

Whether or not characters like ] (who stars in one novel, is mentioned in others, and happens to be the child of the two main protagonists) counts as minor, significant, or irrelevant is currently a matter of debate on ], but it's not worthy of deletion simply because I can't name some out-of-universe sources off-hand. Once I have a minor characters list established, I'd like to setup a merge discussion and get the deleting threat out of the picture.

You mentioned the ] community standard as a reference. May I ask exactly how many people it took to reach this consensus? And whether those people had any involvement in the large number of fiction articles listed on Misplaced Pages? Given that the vast majority of fiction articles on Misplaced Pages don't follow this guideline, most fiction editors are only made aware of it when a page is tagged for deletion or reworking, and that there is a substantial debate going on at the talk page of ], and on this very talk page, I'd suggest that this is a standard applied ''on'' the relevant community, not defined by it.

Like I said last time, I'm honestly impressed by your tenacity to "take on the Misplaced Pages challenge". However, a primary goal for any publication is internal consistency. With that in mind, might I suggest you take a look at some other characters from TV and literature - let's say CSI's ], ER's ], and Stephen King's ] - and explain why they've escaped reworking or deleting tags, since they're primarily written with an in-universe perspective, and introduce hardly any out-of-universe information? This could prompt other people to take interest in the topic, and make for a more representative debate. ] 05:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for retracting the deletion nomination, at least. But I have a few concerns regarding that external wiki. For one, all the links within the article are broken, since none of those articles exist on that wiki, with the exception of John Sheridan and Londo Mollari, who earn one-line bios. It's better to have all this information in one place than split it between two - and right now, between Misplaced Pages and that B5 wiki, the de facto primary source people use is Misplaced Pages. Before you take that statement as a challenge to single-handedly move the majority of Babylon 5 content to an inactive wiki simply because the odour of in-universe writing offends you (I noticed you've already started on the Susan Ivanova article), you should let the debate about in-universe writing on Misplaced Pages continue for a while longer.

:I was going to repeat the need to apply your current standards equally to all works of fiction, to avoid any suggestion of impropriety, but I just noticed while writing this you've tagged the Gil Grissom article, so I applaud you for your intellectual honesty. I'm sure that if you tag a variety of notable fictional articles, you'll get a variety of complaints here. While quoting them the official "consensus", I'd like you to consider just how many people are needed to disagree with a "consensus" before it loses said status. ] 00:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


::"Consensus", as I understood it, wasn't just based on the number of people, but on the issues they raised. Using the consensus to defend the existence of the consensus, and say it is beyond reproach, is circular reasoning. If you go into the reasoning by which that consensus was reached, that's a different matter.

::Copying Misplaced Pages's B5 articles to an unmaintained wiki is equivalent to leaving someone out in the cold - an "indirect deletion". I don't believe it's responsible to move articles there en-masse unless you're prepared to maintain the wiki yourself or you believe in good faith that it will be maintained by others. Its current status suggest this is unlikely. Besides, other major fictional sci-fi shows have existing well-maintained wikis, yet still possess articles here, which include in-fiction sections. They can link to the external wiki if the external wiki contains extra information, and it is a reliable source (I would suggest that "well-maintained" is a criteria a website must meet to be considered reliable.)

::You mentioned ] - I looked it up and noticed this quote:

:::"It is true that things labeled fancruft are often deleted from Misplaced Pages. This is primarily due to the fact that things labeled as fancruft are often poorly written, unreferenced, unwikified, and non-neutral - all things that lead to deletion....

:::... Generally speaking, the perception that an article is fancruft can be a contributing factor in its nomination and deletion, but it is not the actual reason for deletion."

::If fancruft is posted which is "poorly written, unreferenced, unwikified, and non-neutral", then it deserves to be deleted or reworked on those specific issues. However, by my reading of that essay, if an article passes those criteria, it shouldn't be deleted or moved off site using the fancruft excuse. I'm working this weekend, so I'll be out of touch for a couple of days, but like I said, I'd appreciate it if you let the debate play out a while longer.] 06:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

==Fiction and Misplaced Pages comment==
In your Fiction and Misplaced Pages post, you stated that nobody has written a high-quality out of universe article on a fictional topic. What about ], ], the final fantasies, and so on? &mdash; ''']]]''' 17:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

== It's been a while... ==

...but I've finally put ] over at ]. You are encouraged to contribute to this discussion. (Note: I'm leaving this comment because you originally contested the re-closure.) --] 08:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

== ArbCom questions ==

Hi. I'm ], editor of the ]. We're doing a series on ArbCom candidates, and your response is requested.

# What positions do you hold (adminship, mediation, etc.)?
#:
# Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?
#:
# Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?
#:

Please respond on my talk page. We'll probably go to press late Monday or early Tuesday (UTC), but late responses will be added as they're submitted. Thanks, ] (]) 02:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

: Just checking to see if you missed this :) ] (]) 05:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

=== Portfolio ===
On ], I added a column "Examples" with links that exhibit a candidate's arbitration skills. My motivation is that as a voter, I don't want to just rely on a candidate's words, but also see {{genderneutral|eir}} actions. Moreover, I believe a portfolio of "model cases" to remember in difficult situations can be useful for each candidate, as well.
Since you were one of the first candidates to register, I included some links which you provided on your questions page. You may want to check if you're OK with them. &mdash; ] ] 23:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC) {{User:SebastianHelm/unwatch|19:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)}}

== Three revert reminder ==

Please be aware that you're pushing up on a ] with your reversions at ]. - ] 00:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Comixpedia ==

The article was recently deleted, ]. I'm thinking of opening a deletion review, but I'm trying to build a good case. At the minute, all I've got is Dirk Deppey citing it as "being the indispensable magazine for online comics" and T.Campbell calling it "the most reliable source of webcomics news" . Do you know of any paper references to it? ] <small>]</small> 21:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
*Got publishers weekly noting it as "General news and views about Web comics, including T. Campbell’s well researched History of Webcomics." too. ] <small>]</small> 21:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

==Semi-protection==
Yeah, I was planning on deleting it now that I got home. It was due to repeated vandalism by Afrika paprika. ]|] 03:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

==Input requested==
Hello. I would greatly value your critical perspective, opinion, or thoughts regarding this ] about the use of section headings in film articles. Thank you for your time. &mdash;] | ] 05:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Phil! I see that Able and Baker is up for deletion again. I know that you had a certain interest in the matter previously. At present the nomination is based on lack of reliable sources for establishing notability, so you might want to provide some references indicating why you think this is notable. (That is of course, if your opinion on the article remains the same from a year ago.) ] ] 07:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
:Why don't you edit the page to add the claim to notability that you make in the debate and the sources you used to find it, so that the article can stand on its own without you to defend it in debates? ] (]/]) 20:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

: How many sources are needed to establish notability for something? I am worried that we are applying a double standard here and favoring certain subjects over others, such as ''Lord of the Rings'' trivia over webcomics. Take a look at ] as a perfect example, and compare to ]. 03:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I have left a comment for you at ]. --] 23:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Left another comment at the afd. I see you have edited the article with some mention of notability, but people who are less knowlegable (including myself) wouldn't be able to derive notability from that alone. Could you expand on this topic in some way? I know it can be hard to do when you're an expert. On wikipedia, I've been told "You're an expert, so you obviously have no clue!" (or words to that effect) more than once ;-) . In any case it might be wise to leave diff links to the edits you have made, so that people can see that you have made an effort to improve the article and move it outside the remit of AFD. :-) --] 23:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

And another comment on AFD. Also carefully read the comments made by others, as they provide additional suggestions as to how to improve the article. Sorry to suddenly cause you work where the article authors didn't provide enough info. AFD has been getting a bit saner though, by the look of it.

Perhaps you can also find additional assistence wrt imrpoving the article at the webcomics wikiproject?
--] 17:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
:: After further reading, I notice that you've been commenting on the quoted guideline (to wit: ]. Is there a relationship between the AFD and your RS comments? ] 17:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I don't know how often sane users show up on AFD anymore, so I was just dropping by to say I noticed several people are now taking the time to discuss with you. If you have a little time, would you care to answer? Probably most don't know about the RS issues you've been dealing with. I suspect it might be rewarding for someone to take the time and talk the whole situation through with some of these people, perhaps also outside RFA. I don't know if I actually have time to do that though, and I don't know your position as well as you do, of course. --] 09:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That sucks! :-(

Oh well... I'm an ], so my take is that one can always create a (properly referenced, as per guidelines, etc etc.) article at a later date. No irrevocable loss has occured.

Get well soon!

-- ] 23:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


: Hey! You told me you were feeling under the weather, and would not be continuing. At that point I dropped the matter on the floor. I assumed the article would be ].

: But you do seem to have found time to make a lot of noise on Deletion Review, which is a tad late. :-/ --] 09:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

==Ivory Coast move==
Since you participated in previous discussions on ], you might be interested in the requested move at ]. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">]</span> 08:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Njyoder ==

Do you know what this user's connection to Encyclopedia Dramatica is? ] - ] 13:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Steak and blow job day ==

Has been previously deleted. See ]. Is there new sourcing or such? ] 02:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== Cyrus Farivar ==

Hi Phil! I remember that you caused a stir with your statements over the proposed deletion of this article. (Over a year ago, can you believe it?) It is back on AFD, and I think some sources of notability to support your (and, apparently, Jimbo's) position may be in order unless your opinion has changed on it. ] ] 08:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:Please try to maintain a minimum level of wikiquette while discussing this afd. ''Do'' point out what articles this guy has written but please ''don't'' compose an increasingly sarcastic response to each delete vote rephrasing information that has already been given. Also, some of your comments border on a violation of ]. Cheers. ] 02:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::Just a friendly heads up. ] 02:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::: It was closed as delete, do not restore out of process, just place it on ] ] ] 00:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on ], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the article is a repost of either already posted material, or of material that was previously deleted in a ], such as ]. If you can indicate how Cyrus Farivar is different from all other articles, or if you can indicate why this article should not be deleted, I advise you to place the template {{tl|hangon}} '''underneath''' the other template on the article, and also put a note on ] saying why this article should stay. An admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our ], particularly item 4 under General criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. We welcome your help in trying to improve Misplaced Pages, and we ask you to follow these instructions. ] | ] 02:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Jacques Derrida ==
I noticed you disagreed with my reversion. I agree with you that if the edit belongs, it belongs where you placed it, and something along those lines could indeed improve the article in the place you put it. However I strongly think the quality of the contribution is poor and undeserving of retention. As an example I cite the following:
:It is the text whose logos is a kind of "serious play" (cf. La pharmacie de Platon). However, possessing intelligence and erudition, Derrida nevertheless committed critical "gestures", which were both true and false at the same time; indeed so true and so false that they become both terms absolutely. If deconstruction were a valid concept, it would be the process of making terms in binary (true/false) bland and irrelevant, uninteresting to the new critique -- however by necessity la deconstruction must be part of its own critique, and therefore not a complete ("valid") concept in the traditional sense within Western metaphysics.
"It is the text whose logos," poor expression, incomprehensible. "Derrida nevertheless committed critical 'gestures'," convoluted gobbledegook. "If deconstruction were a valid concept, it would be the process..." incomprehensible. Etcetera. In short, I think the edit does "violence" to Derrida and to the entry, and should be removed. ] 03:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:I disagree; it should be dumped. But if you want to fix it, or tag it (not sure what that achieves, but hey), go ahead. ] 04:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==AfD ]==
You have edited the article ]. This article is currently being considered for deletion under the ] process. You may contribute to this discussion by commenting ]. Thank you." ] 01:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

==Rogue (musician)==
Hi - just a quick note to mention that as ] is no longer protected we seem to be back to the "remove the name" business all over again. I'm not sure if it's worth looking at semi-protection again? --] 19:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of ] deletion discussion ==

Hi, Phil. Could you explain a bit more why you feel that the deletion of ] is "not up for debate"? It seems to me that the issue of whether the Misplaced Pages community's reaction to a major scandal should be visible to the public is ''very much'' up for debate. I'd like to restore the DRV section, but I don't want to wheel war/edit war/whatever it might be called. —] <small>(] • ])</small> 17:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:I've already reverted the edit. This cannot become an edit war as deleting sections from deletion review is either accidental or vandalism. I shall assume good faith and accept it is the former. Regards - ] 18:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there an explanation somewhere for your actions? Despite what it says on your userpage, process is important in cases like this. ] (]/]) 18:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

== Trying to ax the deletion review of ] ==

Please, learn the lesson of the Daniel Brandt wheel war. Trying to kill off these discussions doesn't help. I refer you to ] for better explanation than I could offer. 17:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:<small>Note: the prior section wasn't on the page when I started adding this one. ] 17:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)</small>

==Your admonition==
Thank you for your kind advice. However, 1) is your personal opinion. Please support it with evidence. What's wrong with it, other than that you personally do not like it? 2) I am aware that this was edited in once before. I believe that person was absolutely correct. It is a complete embarrassment for me to see us using non-free media on the main page, particularly as there is a strong show of support for the proposal to ban it entirely. Also, please do not tell me it is not possible to have a free image; there are numerous shots of the stars and director on flickr and other sites that are not by the media companies that with some forethought someone who cared about this article may have asked them to freely license. Perhaps those who do not like the icon would have had sufficient incentive to make this request had this pressure been placed earlier. That someone was careless in placing it in the featured image box in the first place is no reason to uphold the status quo. ] ] 23:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:It amkes us look like we are waiting for someone to upload an image&mdash;well, yes, exactly, because actually we are. It makes us look "shoddy"&mdash;opinion. It's a nice-looking icon. "Sloppy"&mdash;a nearly-unsupportable opinion.

:As for the tradition of granting Raul leeway, he has shown at numerous points throughout his history thoughtlessness regarding copyright and free licensing concerns; I do not defer to his judgment on pure tradition, and in this case I do not find his reasons compelling. "We have to do this thing because we have in the past" is pure madness. Yes, it had an hour of life left; I just got home; that should make no difference except that it will give people less chance to replace it with a free image. ] ] 23:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:You do have one major point right, though. The main page is about our image. Which is why we should not have non-free media there. ] ] 23:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::I do believe you overestimate the influence Raul654 wields. His position is not an official one, and believe it or not, sometimes he is wrong. If he makes a wrong decision, or a thoughtless one, we should all feel obliged to correct it. I see the value in coordination of the FA process, but one person's word here is not law. That he places images in FA blurbs without regard to whether they belong there is not reason to have them stay.

::Also, you continue to press your unsupported opinion that it "made us look bad" as your only real justification. For one, I find this claim unbelievable. A nice-looking icon representing a film; it is not an unprofessional-looking image. It does not specifically depict the movie. You know what? We ''are'' looking for an image. Should we pretend to a level of completeness that we do not have, and furthermore showcase media that our project officially considers to be inferior and to be avoided where at all possible? That, since you care so much about image, that is the harm.

::Or is Yahoo's image tarnished when they have their "no poster available" box up where they do not have a movie poster? Is IMDb's image tarnished where they use an image of a gold star and ask their audience to contribute photos where there is no photo for some actor? But we are so much more polished than they are, and that is the point of our site, of course.

::Well, I care about image, too. I care about presenting to the world that we are the 💕, and I care about making it clear that we, rather than grabbing a quick-"fix" because some people think it looks nicer, will not showcase non-free work on our users' very first impression of the site. This is not my silly whim, Phil. Your characterization of my edit as "destructive" is wrong and insulting; I did notice your implication that you would block me, and as we both know this would be a pointless exercise in drama I think it ought to be beneath you to make it. Don't insult my motives or my intelligence by talking down from a supposed position of superiority. I am serious about this issue, and from the looks of things a significant portion of the rest of the community is too. ] ] 02:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy tag at ] ==

Another editor has added a speedy tag to the empty category ], which you created. --] 23:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, you removed my speedy tag from ].

I'm not one to pick at process technicalities (which is a good thing, because you're not meant to remove speedy tags from pages you created, and nowhere in ] does it say an empty category is exempt from deletion if someone thinks there might one day be a page in it), but even putting aside lack of use – which I think is a good argument for the removal of any non-enyclopedic category – I genuinely do not see the need for it.

We don't protect pages pre-emptively, and thus we don't protect pages "due to publicity". We protect them due to vandalism (e.g. ]), and due to visibility (e.g. ], ]); of course, both of these things may arise ''because'' of publicity, but we wait for them to happen before protecting the page, not the other way around.

We have a number of categories for protected pages which are populated by templates – when protecting a page, people add the template that fits the protection reason. Looking at the ], I see no gap in the list of protection reasons which needs filling; vandalism arising as a result of publicity should be treated in the same way as any other persistent vandalism from multiple users, and {{]}} is quite sufficient for that. Deciding whether vandalism to a page is actually caused by publicity or not seems to me an unnecessary distinction which in practise would likely be misapplied anyway.

I would appreciate an explanation of why you think there is a need for this category, and simply telling me to "be sensible" does not suffice. Thanks – ] 17:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:The category dates back to the Siegenthaler incident, and was created specifically to accomodate the fact that the Siegenthaler article was going to appear on CNN that day, and it was imperative it not appear in a vandalized form (which would have been a disaster). Since we forsaw that being a problem in the future we created a protection template for it, along with all the fixings. The point is that if we know an article is going to make a high-profile appearance and we need to guarantee that it's pristine at that moment we protect it to ensure that.

:It's a rare event, but it's one that absolutely should be planned for, and it makes a clear exception to the category policy, which was quite clearly intended to deal with dead categories, not peculiar administrative categories. ] 17:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Where is this template? I don't see it on ] or in ]. This sounds suspiciously like something you created for your own personal use, or the use of a small group of people, that administrators in general aren't aware of. This is never a good thing. Note also that things have changed since 2005, and in more recent cases (Colbert, for example) the situation has been dealt with simply by protecting the page as normal – ] 18:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

::: I see... AzaToth turned it into a redirect – which was the correct course of action, in my opinion, though he should probably have pointed it at the "full protection" template rather than the "semi-protection due to vandalism" one. I'll further reinforce the notion that things have changed since 2005 by pointing to the fact that it is now possible to set an expiry time for page protection, and the current series of protection templates have an <tt>expiry</tt> parameter intended to be used in such circumstances.

::: So. Suppose Jimbo was appearing on CNN tomorrow, and they were going to show the ] article. An admin would hop over to the article, check it wasn't vandalised, protect it with the summary "Appearing on CNN tomorrow, needs to be free of vandalism", set the expiry time to two days in the future, and add <tt>{{]|expiry=17 April 2007}}</tt>.

::: Let's see if this is satsifactory. The page is certainly protected and free of vandalism. Newcomers can see that this is the case by looking at the template, and can see that they would normally be able to edit the page, and that if they wish to, they can come back in two days' time. Administrators or other experienced users wondering about the reason for protection can check the log and see exactly why it was protected. Was it even possible to specify a protection reason in the log at the time of the Seigenthaler incident? I seem to remember it wasn't – this alone seems to render a separate category and template unnecessary – ] 10:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do try to assume good faith - this is not "something created for my personal use." I haven't touched the template since the templates got re-organized, so I can't readily tell you where it went. (It was ] which is now a redirect. As for Colbert, that was a different circumstance - the specific problem with Siegenthaler was that the page was going to be shown on CNN, live, in its current version, and Jimbo specifically protected it because he was going onto CNN. (You can find this in the protection history for the article if you want.) Colbert wasn't displaying a page live with advance warning. The idea of this template is so that we can take a page onto television without having to worry about it becoming a vandalism target - a huge deal with Siegenthaler because that was a major vandalism target at the time.

::::It's a rare case, as I said, but to speedy delete because it doesn't fit the rules exactly is an example of overly literally interpreting the rules at its worst. There may be reasons to remove the template and category, but they are not speedies by any useful definition of speedy. ] 00:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

::::: While not relevent to the point of the discussion, you may be interested to know that in fact I ''can't'' find that protection in the protection history for the article, because in May 2006, all previous log entries were quietly obliterated. . While the page history extends back to December 2005, at that time page protections didn't also get an entry in the of the page history as they do now – so even the luxury of being able to view deleted edits wouldn't reveal it. My to the missing log entry on another page led to a dead end – and the discovery that Freakofnurture thinks it appropriate to store deleted page histories of controversial articles in a subpage of his userspace named "crap", but I'll let that drop.
::::: So much for transparency.

::::: Anyway, if you feel there is a need for the template and category, fair enough. I'm getting close to giving up on this category reorganization altogether, as it just takes too much effort to get anything done. As you're an administrator and I'm not, any attempt at a CfD would be an exercise in futility on my part (do you see now why I tried to have it speedied?), so I'll leave the discussion here. Thank you for your time – ] 12:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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:Thank you! ] (]) 04:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
== Unprotection of ] ==

Hi. Just so you know, I ] of the article (and '']'') due to the rush of speculation added with John Simm being in the trailer at the end of tonight's episode. ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 22:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== %s Redirect ==
I don't suppose you'd consider putting the RFD notice back in. Sure it breaks the page and is annoying, but without the notice, the whole process is hidden from the users. I mean, honestly, how many people read RFD regularly? ;-) I for one don't, and wouldn't have had known their was a discussion going on without the notice. --]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not going to, no. It's a shockingly bad thing to nominate, in that it is actively used by people to navigate into Misplaced Pages - enough so that a friend puzzledly asked me why her navigation to Misplaced Pages kept dumping her on the non-functioning redirect. It's bad enough that it got nominated - clogging the page with the redirect notice and thus breaking it, when the logic for keeping is "lots of people use it" is just silly. ] 04:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::The problem is, of course, that without the notice all the people who use it won't be able to see that it's use if up for discussion. --]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Note: I've started a discussion on ], please share your opinions there. --]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 04:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Spoilers ==

Forget recruiting, then. I'll do it myself, even if it takes all night. The one(s) removing the spoiler tags ''are the disrupters''. They have ''no right'' to unilaterally impose their will of what wikipedia readers "should be" using wikipedia for. It's nannyism. It's offensive to the extreme. ] 00:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Never mind, it looks like the nannies have won. The readers be damned. ] 00:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it's a bad idea, as it would be futile. I'm outnumbered by the nannies. ] 00:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't you dare lecture me about edit warring. If you'll notice, I have only reverted ''one'' article that those characters altered. A handful of editors started this, imposing their views and rendering it impractical to counter their actions. ] 00:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::The contempt for the readers shown in this spoiler-tag debate is just unfathomable to me. But it's clear y'all are going to get your way, regardless, so I may as well give up. Would that a fraction of the energy spent on stupid issues like this one would be spent instead on matters of ''sustaining quality''... for example, urging the Grand Pooh-Bah to disallow IP addresses from wasting countless hours of everyone's time with their idiotic vandalisms. ] 05:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::You are now practicing censorship yourself, on that discussion page. Fine. I'm done watching it. ] 05:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::No, there is nowhere else that I responded to the patronizing comments about "mollycoddling", which is arrogant-editor-ese for showing courtesy to the user. Meanwhile, someone else added my comments back, but it doesn't matter. You and your nanny friends have won. ] 05:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of statements ==

What is the basis for ? Is there a guideline that justifies it? Please remember that I was listed as a party when the request was launched. I consider your removal of my statement grossly incivil. Having taken part in scores of arbitrations, I had never seen anything like this before. --]<sup>]</sup> 06:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I don't agree with your claim that RfAr has become unreadable. The clerk's right to refactor statements does not entail his right to remove half the page to some obscure talk. Please reconsider. --]<sup>]</sup> 06:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you an ] now? ] 23:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==
Hello, Phil Sandifer. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under ] that was in your userspace. The image (]) was found at the following location: ]. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our ]. The image or media was replaced with ] , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. ]] 09:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Taylorized hordes ==

Hi Phil! What does "Taylorized" mean in the context of "Taylorized hordes"? --] 03:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:Betcha it has something to do with ]. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 05:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::Indeed. It's a favourite usage of mine, hence evidence of my malign influence over Phil - ] 13:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Missing edit summary ==

You seem to have neglected to use an edit summary or make a comment on talk when you reverted ]. ] 04:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. This was because my act and intention were minor and obvious. --] 04:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::Seeing as the edit was not vandalism, I tend to think that undiscussed reversion is almost certainly poor form. ] 04:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Said edit and those of its kind might just breach ], but you're right in that a 'rv' would've been appropriate. --] 04:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

==Kizor==

I unblocked him myself, since it was me he was mass-reverting - ] 13:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

== salting ==

You can still use {{tl|deletedpage}}. It's easier, it just inflates the article count and leads to people getting to the page via ]. —]→]&nbsp;&bull; 04:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

==]==
I'm not at all certain that I think it was necessary to delete the versions that contained her GPA&mdash;for various reasons, of course, selective revision deletion is to be used sparingly, and I see no need for its use on the instant article, notwithstanding that the inclusion of the GPA in the article was surely unencyclopedic&mdash;but deletion is surely not harmful here. I wonder, though, if you intended to neglect to restore the history and return the page to the DRV-directed redirect; I readily recognize that selective deletion can be altogether unwieldy, and so I've no problem with your taking more than a few minutes to effect revisions, but inasmuch as since your deletion you've edited otherwise, I suppose I ought to alert you to your not having restored the page, lest you should forget. Cheers, ] 20:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:Never mind; thanks for taking care of this. :) ] 21:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

== TfD on pimp box ==

== TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:FreeContentMeta}} ==

] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> ] 16:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
:Good job calling for help by the way on IRC. Try not to be so blatant about it though :p. ] 16:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'd preferred if you hadn't swore when you requested backup, that mean word really upset me :-(. ] 16:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
::: You said the F word :-(. ] 16:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Children of Men ==

Hey, Phil. Although I disagreed with you on ] a while back, your criticism was very helpful and is probably still needed in that article. I'm wondering if you can work your magic again on ], regarding the current discussion at the bottom of the page. Thanks in advance. &mdash;] | ] 00:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, Phil. I need your opinion on using films as a ''primary source'' per existing policies. It's in the current discussion ]. &mdash;] | ] 04:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Vandalism rollback ==

Oh, oops, sorry, I forgot to , and I did not say you were vandalising.. Again, I apologize, I'll make sure I explain why next time.. Cheers—Illyria05 <small>]•]</small> 16:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

== Memory Alpha ==

I don't know how to fix it, but the ] directs to the article name, so articles like ] and ] doesn't work. ] 18:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

==CoM 3RR==
Do you see a 3RR? Maybe I am seeing it wrong, but when I see an edit summary that intents to re-"add older edits incrementally", that sounds like someone specifically attempting to sidestep 3RR and game the system. -] ] 14:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Masha Allen ==

Just a heads up (I have no idea if it's legit or not, but am treating it as such): ] asked about your deletion. You may or may not want to comment/watchlist that talk page. -- '']']'' 21:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:I figured you were advising me to checkuser since the name could have been pulled out of the article; do you mind following up with him on how to proceed? I have no experience with WP:OFFICE stuff, personally...I will gladly edit the talk page to say I am handing things over to you, but he doesn't seem too knowledgeable about our processes at present anyway. -- '']']'' 21:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I see you already have. -- '']']'' 21:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Phil,

You are seriously out-of-line here in deleting this article. James Marsh, her attorney, is a personal friend of mine and I've followed the case closely.

Your deletion summary had absolutely no policy-based rationale. You owe the community the responsibility of at least putting this on AFD. '''''You have seriously abused your administrative powers''''', and I can see from above that this isn't the first time you've stepped over that line because of what you think policy is.

Masha has testified to Congress under her own name ... voluntarily. She appeared on a number of TV shows under her own name. I can't imagine she would find her privacy violated by this article given how many details were out there already. For God's sake, she lived with a man who tried to make those things their little guilty secret ... we are no better than Mancuso (and why did you delete the article on him, FTM? If you choose to invoke "serious BLP issues" you better damn well explain what those were) if we sweep that under the rug.

I hadn't looked at the article in a while, but it was pretty well-sourced and rated B-class by the bio project people ... the sort of article we want to encourage. I would accept your deletion rationale if it came from Jimbo, but I think you have some explaining to do. And I have strongly suggested to Wiki'dWitch that she make you do it, on deletion review.

And if she doesn't, I will. ] 22:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it. A lawyer for the subject of an article is asking us to ''restore'' something we deleted, and you think it needs to go to the ArbCom? I think the decision about the propriety of a deletion review is best made in that review. And considering that you made the deletion without even going to AfD, I'd say you're not in a position to make suggestions about proper process.

Of course, I did suggest to James that he contact the foundation.

I hope this can end nicely, OK? I really enjoy what I do here and I would much rather create quality content than get bogged down in one of these things. ] 22:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I am going to ask you nicely, Mr. Sandifer. Don't give me this lawyer crap. That's a coward's excuse. You can undelete the article right now and you know it. You broke the rules, even ], and you know it. Any other admin would be desysopped for this.

Please, make right what you have made wrong. ] 03:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

===DRV?===
Phil, although I recognize that, for reasons you've expressed ], you think this to be an issue that ought now to be disposed of other than by the community, and that, in any event, you are exceedingly unlikely to conclude that you've erred in speedying consistent with ] here, I imagine that I ought to ask directly whether you would be inclined to undelete and, at your discretion, list at AfD, the prospective legal issues (which are, to my mind, non-existent) notwithstanding. If you intend not to reverse yourself, I'll almost surely take the issue to ] (this is, I think, a much clearer case than ], which itself appears likely to be listed at AfD/preserved as a redirect), but, inasmuch as there is no need for us to proceed hastily, I'll wait for your explicit confirmation of your intent. Thanks, ] 06:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== beyond bold ==

Dear Phil,
I recently became aware of your changes towards {{tl|Memoryalpha}}. I'm all for WP:BOLD and god knows i've been in the past, but I respectfully ask you to revert these changes. To unilatterly force this linkbox upon all the articles within such a short timespan, in a way that makes it very difficult for both methods to co-exist and for article editors to understand why and how this link changed, seems way beyond bold to me. I think it was premature and should never have happened in the way it did, especially not with a TfD going on of the parent template, and an active edit war in progress. It's not forbidden, but i find it disrespectful to your fellow editors to be so presumptuous. I have deleted and replaced several dozen of television episode boxes, but have always made sure to give people ample time to respond and disagree with those replacements and to address any concerns the editors may have had towards my edits.
Every replaced box has gone trough TfD, and every substantial change had been reported to relevant editors. As a matter of fact due to some concern, some forks of these infoboxes have still not been replaced and that is just fine, because they are proper concerns.

I really feel you have acted beyond WP:BOLD here, and i'd like to see it corrected. Greetings and happy editing. --] (] • ]) 23:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Addendum. I recognize that you did try to inform relevant authors, but got no response. Still that is not unusual and I think silence should imply being careful while you are bold. The WP talk pages are often very small groups. I dare say that most authors relevant to the topic do no actively watch the WikiProject talk pages.
:One of the purposes of bold is to widen the visibility of your edits to see if you can force more people into the discussion. Now Matthew clearly didn't talk, but he shouldn't have been ignored either. Besides todays additions to the TfD show that he's not the only one who is concerned about this. These kinds of things take time to get of the ground and that is something you should have been able to expect. especially as an admin, which i just noticed you are. In my eyes the best approach if you wanted to do this would have been to take the old template to TfD and ask what people would think about replacing it with your version. --] (] • ]) 00:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== Matthew ==

Hi, no offense, but you are way out of line in blocking Matthew. You said Matthew was ''clearly running an unapproved high speed bot on his main account'', have you ever thought that hmm, ''maybe Matthew is just changing it with copy-paste'', but no, you blocked a great user for no reason. Now, you can "block" me now for "attacking" me as well, and silence more. Why don't you block everyone who you disagree with? I sense a conflict of interest between you and Matthew (the two of you had argued about a template).. ] 00:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:It is, erm... improbable that he could hit 11 articles per minute with copypaste at a sustained clip. ] 00:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with you! Matthew is infamous MatthewFenton who created a new account. He also vandalize a page of another user:
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Matthew#I_just_can.27t_do_this_anymore...


== Tron Ares ==
== Proposed solution to Memory Alpha ==


The film's infobox highlights they are being credited as ]. Simply articulating the band members in the Music section is not misleading or tricking people into thinking they're being credited as Reznor/Ross. ] 21:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I propose the following
*Move {{tl|Memory Alpha}} to {{tl|Memory Alpha-boxed}}
*Move {{tl|Memoryalpha}} to {{tl|Memory Alpha}}
*Tfd {{tl|Memoryalpha}} for replacement with {{tl|Memory Alpha-boxed}}


==Welcome back==
I think that would be the most clean proces, where we will get the most input from the people who will actually care about the link. --] (] • ]) 11:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Nice to see you around once more. All the best: ''] ]''<small> 22:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC).</small><br />
:That seems like a good solution to me! ] 11:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::Surely, if the goal is to get input from people who care, the Star Trek WikiProject is more appropriate. ] 16:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::No, because in comparison few people read wikiproject talkpages, and TfD notices on templates will be transcluded on a large set of pages. That's why it's a proces that includes many more people into the discussion. (I speak from experience, i noticed this effect clearly when deleting series specific forks of the Television episode infobox) --] (] • ]) 18:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::::This is ultimately a style issue of Star Trek articles - that's definitely what WikiProjects are for. ] 18:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Pffft, now you are just being stubborn. Since when do topic-focused WikiProjects define our External Link guidelines ? I have counted 11 users (including me) that have indicated their reservations about this new style since you started being bold. Due to Matthew you have decided to ignore them all until you get hit by a ]ball in the face and unless the snowball hits, you MUST be right. That tells me that you don't care to solve the dispute, just about getting your way. Of the Keep voters 5 seem to be IRC attending admins and "Matthew"-reverters. I'm not making accusations, but I don't respect you guys over it either... The voting is heavily obscured due to POVs, the edit wars and the fact that it's the "replacement" that should be contested, not the actual new templates itself. You'de be the bigger editor if you could recognize this. --] (] • ]) 19:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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