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			== Emelianenko's last win have been overturned by the World MMA Association ==
	We should conform the article to be a little bit closer to other athletes like ], etc.

			Emelianenko's last win over Fabio Maldonado have been overturned by the World MMA Association.
	==Tsuyoshi Kohsaka Fight==

			-We need to change it to a: unanimous draw ]
	I'd like to open the discussion up to the status of the elbow in the TK fight. The video, as I'm sure we've all seen, is inconclusive but looks more like an elbow to me; I'm skeptical of such a deep gash getting opened up by such a glancing strike, save for if it was an elbow or the seam of a glove or something like that, but RINGS gloves did not have external seams. I'd like to hear agreeing/dissenting opinions here in the interests of fairness. As far as a 'citation' goes, it is impossible to prove one way or the other, however I'm not sure the outcome of an MMA fight deserves the kind of 'innocent until proven guilty' burden of proof we'd use for a trial. I'm willing to say the balance of probabilities favours elbow. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
			the entire world (except Russia it seems like) know Fedor DID NOT WIN that last fight, WMMAA says he did not win.
	:Certainly, the article should not state conclusively that the cut was caused by an elbow, unless that assertion can be backed up by a reliable source. We cannot put our educated guesses into the text, as we cannot publish ]. Since you are correct that the cause of the cut is unlikely to be proven one way or the other, in my opinion the text should just state that Fedor lost the fight due to a cut, and leave it at that. ] 03:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
			This is not just about Fedor, but also Maldonado that ends up sitting with the most shit from this bad experience in Russia and with the Russian MMA Federation.
			Maldonado didn't just get robbed of a majority draw (IMO, and most other mma realist's and fact hunters)
			They said he lost, it says on Wiki he lost. This last fight Fedor had, the facts need to be changed to what the WORLD MMA ASSOCIATION have decided.
			NOT WHAT THE CORRUPT RUSSIAN MMA FEDERATION DECIDED, IN WICH FEDERATION FEDOR IS THE PRESIDENT OF ? come on Misplaced Pages, aren't we about the facts? not corrupt judges already made up mind.

	It's a simple fact that the cut was caused by an elbow. Both fighters have said this on at least 100 occasions. You can see it on Pride website and Fedor's Official website on at least 4 different spots in different languages. The judges also ruled that it was caused by an elbow (which is not allowed in Rings. And it was an accident) Sherdog.com also lists this as an elbow.
	The reason elbow are often illigal is just because of this! They cause cuts easily withhout doing much damage. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	:Cite it then. ] 20:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	::From http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/index.php?mainpage=news&news_id=106 : "Emelianenko: It's not a good memory. I was cut by Kosaka's illegal strike (elbow)." ] 18:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	==BJJ, Judo==
	]

			-These next facts comes from http://www.mmaweekly.com -
	Where did this idea about Fedor training BJJ come from? I've heard nothing of it. There is also no reference to his competive record in Judo and Combat Sambo. ] 23:30, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
			http://www.mmaweekly.com/fedor-emelianenkos-win-over-fabio-maldonado-overturned-but-russians-refuse-decision

	Reference to Fedor's record: http://www.judoinside.com/uk/?factfile/view/8554 ] 23:31, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

			- Fedor Emelianenko‘s recent victory over UFC veteran Fabio Maldonado has been changed to a unanimous draw. '''(by the World MMA Association)'''
	KingMob. Since Sambo and Judo borrowed a lot from Jujitsu we can say that when Fedor is practicing a triangle choke, for example, that he is training jj, Judo or Sambo. This is because the move is absolutely the same in all 3 systems.

			Maldonado initially lost to Fedor by a controversial majority decision. Following what he, his team, and many onlookers felt was an unjust decision, Maldonado filed an appeal with the Russian MMA Union, which
	Judo does borrow a great deal from Jujitsu, but not from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because BJJ is, itself, a derivative of Judo. Also, for someone to be training in a specific system, they need to be training in a specific system...if I practice leg locks during BJJ practice, I can not claim to have trained in Sambo, as I've never so much as seen Sambo practiced in person. Fedor has not, to my knowledge, ever trained in BJJ. ] 22:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
			assigned the officials that worked the fight. Maldonado cited a conflict of interest since Fedor is the president of the Russian MMA Union.

			Russian MMA Union vice president Radmir Gabdullin denied Maldonado’s appeal, reportedly because he hadn’t filed it within 40 minutes of the announcement of the decision. Gabdullin is a former M-1 Global
			fighter. M-1 Global is a Russian promotion of which Fedor is part owner.

			Maldonado’s manager, Stefano Sartori, then took the fight to a higher level, the World MMA Association, which includes the Russian MMA Union as one of its member organizations. Sartori requested the WMMAA assign its own set of judges to review and score the fight due to the initial conflict of interest and the unjustly rejected appeal.

			In ruling on the matter, Alexander Engelhardt, Senior Vice President and Secretary General of the WMMAA, said, “The fact that the fighter, Fedor Emelianenko, being the President of the Russian MMA Union and the Head of Judge, Radmir Gabdullin, have a work relationship could potentially affected the judgmental decisions. We are not saying that this relationship has led to a different outcome of the result, but it is an unfortunate choice.
	== Pronunciation of his name ==

			“Another mistake made was the refusing of the appeal. This is was based on the Amateur rules of the WMMAA and this fight was done under the professional rules of WMMAA.
	I've recently added an IPA pronunciation of his name to this page. However I am not a native Russian speaker, and am only basing this on what I have heard when native Russians pronounce his name on video. I have never heard a native speaker pronounce the 'o' on the end of his name- it always seems to be dropped. Therefore I have not included it in the IPA pronunciation guide. However, if someone who speaks Russian has something to say about this, we would appreciate any input. Thanks. --] ] 03:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

			“Regarding the second criterion. Marco Broersen as Head of the Professional Referees has selected three judges who were not working at the fight to judge the Maldonado vs Fedor fight.”
	There is definitely an "o" in the end of his name.. Actually, now that I look at it, we might want to correct two more things:
	1. "Fedor" does not have a distinct "j" sound, it's more of a "Fiodor"
	2. "Emelianenko" does have a distinct "j" sound in the beginning. It's more of a "Ye-e-ya-en-ko", where would mean the soft version of the consonant.
	] 21:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

			The judges Broersen selected were Youri Lamoureux of Canada, Lukasz Bosacki of Poland, and Alexey Zemskov of Russia. All three judges scored the fight a 28-28 draw.
	According to the ], the "j" character signifies a sound that would be reproduced by "y" in English, such as is "'''Y'''oohoo". I've heard his first name pronounced as "Fyodor", which in IPA is something like "Fijodor", correct? --] ] 15:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

			As such, upon the advice of Broersen, the WMMAA officially changed the result of the bout to a unanimous draw. The decision was communicated to Fight Nights (the promotion which made the bout), Fedor Emelianenko, the Russian MMA Union, and Stefano Sartori.
	Right, there's no English "Y" (or IPA "j") sound in "Fedor". The first vowel does not really exist in American English - the best way to describe it is the transitional sound you make when you say "Fiona", after you are done with the "i" part of the "io" sound, but before you land on the full "o". "Fiodor" is a close approximation.
	On the other hand, "Emelianenko" '''does''' start with a distinct "Y" sound.
	] 19:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

			The Russian Union of MMA, however, refuses to honor the WMMAA’s decision.
	: I fixed the ] according to ]. The only thing I'm not sure about is that the two unstressed "o":s can be pronounced both "ə" and "ʌ" depending on the situation, i guessed "ə". The "<sup>j</sup>j" is not a mistake. --] 15:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

			“The result of the battle can not be changed,” Gabdullin said in a comment to Russian news outlet tass.ru. “(WMMAA) can express their views, but do not have the right to influence the judges’ decision on the Russian professional promotion.
	== Muay Thai ==

			“This situation I regard as an unfounded attempt to take a well-deserved victory for the Russian fighter legend Fedor Emelianenko.”
	If TKD is not going to be included under the arts he studies, then neither should muay thai as none of his coaches know muay thai either. If you look at any of his matches, he doesn't necessarily use the textbook clinch and knees to the body and thigh.

			== vs. Quinton Jackson at Bellator 237 ==
	Good point. I don't think that two weeks of training with Hoost make Fedor a Muay Thai fighter either. However, he also added Ruslan Nagnibida (Nagnibeda, not Nagnibida), a Muay Thai coach from the Tula State University, to his team in late 2005, and Ruslan helped him train for Crocop and Zulu fights... ] 16:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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			{{ping\|NEDOCHAN}} {{ping\|Cassiopeia}} {{ping\|Eerie Holiday}} I've pinged all of you because you were all involved in previous discussions about this exact topic.

			Let's get to the point; I think the fight with Quinton Jackson at Bellator 237 should be changed from TKO to KO. I don't care about the specific technique being changed as that's a whole 'nother bag of worms, and the IRS (independent reliable sources) could not agree. What I did find though is that the majority of IRS have the result listed as KO or Knockout, which warrants the change in my opinion. The last RFC on Sherdog back in 2020 determined that sherdog was less reliable than other sources and should be used in a case by case basis. I think in this case, we side with the IRS and change it to KO. But I'd like to hear your thoughts on this (god knows we need fresh opinions on this topic).
	A trip to Holland did NOT include training with Hoost, Hoost was hurt. He only watched Fedor train and was very generous in his praise for Fedor's ability and talent. This is according to Fedor himself in a recent interview from his Official Website. Also, the trip had a lot more "western" style training (kickboxing) rather than a real Muay Thai.

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			Updated again on April 19, 2022.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 03:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
	I am consistently having to revert ] and editorial, embellished language from this article. Please review the ] and the relevant ] and ] policies for information about how to write an article. Thanks. --] ] 03:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
	:It would be nice to be able to insert that he is the consensus #1 heavyweight in the world, although I don't know if a source for that can be found. '']'' 21:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
	::I did add a section "Honorary titles and appelations" that listed references to Sherdog , mmaweekly and WON calling him #1 a couple of times. However, some anon user keeps deleting the section and leaving his beloved WON reference only. sigh ] 19:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

			]<sup>(])</sup> 00:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
	Is it necessary to include the POV that he is "the best heavyweight fighter in the world" rather than "one of the best heavyweight fighters in the world"? If neutrality means anything, it would seem to be applicable here. ] 15:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
			{{reflist-talk}}
	:Austin, the statement "''Fedor has been considered the best heavyweight fighter in the world for the last three years by virtually all major MMA publications (references)''" is perfectly fine according to the Wiki policy on ] since it's referenced and cites reputable sources. -] 17:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

			:{{ping\|NEDOCHAN\|Eerie Holiday\|RafaelHP}}
	== Honorary titles and appellations ==
			(1)I have removed some of the not reliable and streaming site source and re-formatted the table. (also adjust accordingly in Rampage talk page).

			(2) First of all, User:RafaelHP, you have been involved in MMA editing in Misplaced Pages for sometime now and please do understand to communicate in a civil and reasonable manner and not by silly and immature replay such as "LOL" and "This is an outrage!" - see or accusing me of have agenda (in the AfD ANI talk page) which I have none or accuse other editor have vendetta of something or stating you think other editor would add the source of your unsourced claim which you well know how to add the source and also well know Misplaced Pages is all about verification. Further more you also know going to talk page to discuss matter civilly and work together with other editors would be the best bet and most friendly matter to resolve the issue and dont need to go to ANI and ague to death then at the end you are asked to discuss in the talk by admin after all and wasting everyone effort and time for better use to editing other pages constructively. Do understand, I am here in good will and no agenda besides contributing to Misplaced Pages pages as per guidelines and I am always here to help. So I hope and again, this would be the last time we need to go to ANI or response uncivilly to other editor but come together and discuss the issue in mature and polite manner.
	Anonymous editor (210.4.77.150) keeps removing all honorary titles and appellations with the exception of an old World Observer Newsleter (WON) title. He motivates it by saying that the other titles (from Full Contact Fighter, Sherdog, MMAWeekly) are irrelevant since they are just "websites run by fans", while WON is a "counterpart of the Ring magazine".
	# Please, do not remove that section again without discussing it here.
	# Full Contact Fighter is a major publication and also has a magazine.
	# Having a printed magazine is not really a good criteria of relevance. If it were, Amazon.com would not be a relevant book retailer - and it is.
	# Sherdog.com is the most influential information agency in MMA. It reaches many more fans than any printed MMA publication or other MMA news outlet, and it's fighter database is one of the most authoritative in the world.
	# MMAWeekly is not "just a website run by fans" either. In the context of the article this publication is extrememly relevant, since it has ranked MMA fighters for years, and Fedor's standing is of utmost relevance.

			(3) In most cases Sherdog is right and Sherdog is the bigger mma database in the world and have been around the longest and know about mma industry but if you dont have a default that would be edit, raising ANIs, warring left and right and endless discussions lead to fighting among mma editors which is what happening in this issue and many other.
	Thank you.
			We would use the IRS if more IRS state different that of Sherdog and do note many IRS do not state the subset fight method (as you can see even with KO there are differences in (punch, punches, strikes, right cross, right straight, knockdown - and that would lead to another edit warring and discussion of the subset KO method), instead of contributing and working together the results would be infighting (also they dont understand Misplaced Pages guidelines) and this one of the reasons many mma editors left Misplaced Pages and not only a handful of mma editors really work together.
	-] 22:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

			(3) Now back to the above issue and sources provided - since more sources indicate KO then the fight method should be KO and since no agreeable subset method I propose "punches" to align with ] page fight record.
	== Tim Sylvia ==

			(4) Pls leave comments and I will get an uninvolved editor to close the discussion one week from today if not further comment after the 7th day. Stay safe everyone and again, pls discuss matter civilly and please work together in goodwill as all of us are working to better Misplaced Pages pages especially in those related to MMA. I am always here to help and best.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 02:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
	I've heard tons of things, but most importantly that Tim Sylvia wanted to fight Fedor when he was champion, and trying to unite the titles into an undisputed world title. Now, there's not going to a title fight, but as recently as March 18th Tim Sylvia said he's been wanting to fight Fedor. Shouldn't we include something like that in there? ] 14:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
			::{{ping\|Cassiopeia}} First of all I'm a little annoyed that you straight up replaced my table with something from an old discussion, I would have appreciated you atleast asking first as that was supposed to be a piece of evidence presented by me. Second of all I don't know why you're choosing to tell me about being civil and mature, this is a mma fighter's talk page, not ANI (and for the record I created this section in the spirit of civility). Third of all I support keeping "punches" as the IRS have many differences and this is a case where the default is the best option. ]<sup>(])</sup> 02:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
			:{{ping\|RafaelHP}} I have removed not reliable source in Rampage talk page and you didnt mentioned anything about it. Pls provide reliable sources and not unreliable or questionable sources next time. Secondly, since you have mentioned, so I have commented in ANI regarding you. Lastly, good to know you support KO (punches). Let's wait for other editors to comment.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 03:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

			::The sources that say KO are not RS. The sources that say TKO are better quality. I aabsolutely think it should stay as sourced to Sherdog. I am not sure why mmajunkie is considered reliable and would like to see a discussion on that. This is a typically pointless discussion on changing sourced information and a waste of time. Why don't we focus on information that contradicts sources? There's a lot of it out there. I do not support faffing about with sourced information and it should stay as Sherdog sourced. There is no evidence as to the reliability of the other sources. ] (]) 09:20, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
	:oh god no, tim sylvia is a idiot, and hes well known for saying alot of things he shoulndt have, and i dont see how its relevents since tim isnt even a champion anymore. hell liddell has mentioned recently how he wants to fight Fedor should we add that? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:{{{2\|}}}\| {{{2}}}\|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
			:::{{ping\|NEDOCHAN}} There was a discussion on mmajunkie along with 2 other mma sources years ago, it did not reach a consensus as two editors voted in favor of it, and two editors voted in favor against it. Maybe you could create a new discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. ]<sup>(])</sup> 00:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

			::::Or maybe we could go with the source used in the infobox that says 'fight record'.] (]) 02:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	== Accuracy weight ==
			::::: But why? The RS majority does have it as KO, you simply saying that the sources are lower quality doesn't make it true. ]<sup>(])</sup> 03:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

			:::::{{ping\|NEDOCHAN\|RafaelHP}} NEDOCHAN, MMA junkie is the second oldest MMA media behind Sherdog and then MMA fighting. Just as you are comparing Sydney morning Herald vs. New Strait Times, which both of the is the same quality which your take doesnt make sense. Think twice before to go to discussion for we all remember Sherdog incident since in regardless anyone who know mma or what define reliable source can vote and close the discussion. We dont want to lose half of the content in all mma pages sourced by MMA junkie. If top one and top two sources are considered questionable, then all other MMA media will do so and we will lose 95% of all mma content and pages in Misplaced Pages. Remember, there are source is reliable such as ESPN but it is not independent for the site has a very intimate relationship with UFC. You had vote and voice your opinion just as RafaelHP and I. Leave it to the uninvolved editor who close this discussion to close. Dont hang up with 100% for I understand your sentiment, I would prefer Sherdog, but Misplaced Pages guidelines, does not only based on one source. There are several discussion on this (mma record which involved admins). Let this simple besides on Rampage talk page has already vote on KO punches, we can have one page says one think and the opponent page say the other. Pls work together.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 04:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	I reverted the {{user\|24.87.7.43}}, because I had added the weight according to Japanese pride site. I belive that japanese site is more accuracy than english pride site . ] 02:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
			::::::{{ping\|Cassiopeia}} Exactly, what is the reason for mmajunkie being unreliable? It is a reputable, long standing source, and without evidence to support the contrary, I have to disregard the claim of mmajunkie being a unreliable source. ]<sup>(])</sup> 04:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
			::::::{{ping\|RafaelHP}} MMA junkie is reliable so it Sherdog and MMA Fighting. What NEDOCHAN claim made no sense. I would hope no other pages would discuss about changing the fight method again unless really super necessary, and let's all of us focus on editing MMA content, adding sources to unsourced content, make some pages to a GA status and copy editing especially for the last two for those have a good comment of English languages. Pls guys, work together and collaborating with one and other to better MMA pages and at try to comprise when it is needed. Stay safe and best.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 04:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

			{{ping\|Cassiopeia}} to be clear, I am not saying that MMA junkie shouldn't be used, I am saying there is no reason to assume it somehow usurps Sherdog. I think the table above is useless, as I could very easily find more sources that say TKO than KO and vice versa. It's a poor method that is unreliable.
	Hi,
	According to several recent interviews, Fedor's weight right now is 103 kg. See the ''Rossiya'' interview, for example.
	-] 20:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

			This entire conversation is an utter waste of time and the OP is a net negative to the project and the whole encyclopaedia.] (]) 08:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	Um, no: his weight is 105. I think the English side has more accurate numbers. Plus, taht is the weight that was displayed for him during one of his recent fights. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:{{{2\|}}}\| {{{2}}}\|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

			: {{ping\|NEDOCHAN}} if you can find other sources then do so, for there is not a lot of alternatives to reach a resolution. I am with you and think we should stick to Sherdog, but we can not ignore the possibility of other sources say different. I dont like it as well and think it is net negative when such discussion of change of method taking place. When the fight method is changed from that of Sherdog's, there will be other editors would change it back that of Sherdog's for no one would read the talk page prior they change it and if the method revert back to that of talk page, another editor would change it back as per Sherdog - I have witness that many times. As I said, I hope this will be the last of such discussion raise and we can go back to spend our time to expand and improve article especially both of you have good command of English that would raise MMA fighter article to GA status. Pls guys, do cooperate and pls work together in civil and helpful manner as we spent too much time on this discussions and ANI and warnings. Stay safe and best.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 10:35, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	I am sorry, have you actually '''read''' the interviews??? You can find them on Fedor's official site. Also, please sign you comments in the future, Ok? Thanks! -] 05:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

			:: I'm glad you support the logical and best solution to keep as sourced to Sherdog. Here are a few more sources to add:
	Well, weight is a bit unstable in all fighter. ] 06:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
			https://www.fightmag.com.au/2019/12/29/fedor-emelianenko-knocks-out-quinton-rampage-jackson-at-bellator-japan/

			https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/why-it-might-be-time-for-quinton-rampage-jackson-to-retire-from-mma-184344848.html
	== Masseuse? ==
	Oleg Neustroev is described as a "doctor, masseuse and psychologist all in one." Masseuse is strictly a female term. Masseur is the male term. "Massage therapist" is a term that may be used for either.] 02:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

			https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/1915841
	== Fight against Martin Lazarev ==

			https://cagesidepress.com/2019/12/30/bellator-japan-fedor-vs-rampage-video-highlights/
	I found one Fedor's fight, that is not very well known.

			https://www.mmanytt.com/latest-news/bellator-tokyo-fedor-emelianenko-kos-rampage-jackson-retires-from-mma/
	RESULT OPPONENT METHOD TIME ROUND TOURNAMENT DATE
	Win Martin Lazarev Submission (Guillotine choke) n/a 1 RINGS Russia - Russia vs Bulgaria II 01.09.2001

			https://www.postwrestling.com/2019/12/29/bellator-237-fedor-emelianenko-stops-quinton-jackson-by-tko/
	Info came from the best (as imho reliable) Russian mma web site http://valetudo.ru/fightsdb/info.php?looknfor=fighter&id=265

			https://www.ibtimes.com/former-ufc-champ-rampage-jackson-criticized-after-tko-loss-hints-huge-comeback-2896953
	This Martin Lazarev also fought against Mikhail Iljukhin (who fought against ] as well as other fighers).

			https://www.dazn.com/en-GLOBAL/news/boxing/rampage-jackson-on-shannon-briggs-i-gotta-shut-his-old-ass-up/qq05bhygs5s11tyutts9v85yw
	Should I just add the result of this fight to article or is some kind of checking precedure needed? ] 07:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
	:Interesting... Well, his website doesn't mention it, and neither does fcfighter or sherdog. Let's see if we can find another source besides valetudo.ru. Also, Fedor is supposed to have another online meeting coming up soon - I'll ask him there. -] 20:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
	::Thanks in advance! ] 14:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
	::: Google for "RARE Fedor Emelianenko" to see his fight. ] 21:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

			https://www.mma-core.com/events/Bellator_237/81106
	== His nicknames ==

			https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/12/bellator-237-results-664162/
	I've never heard him be called "The Last Russian Emperor" before, I was wondering who put that. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 19:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
	:He's been called that sparsely for a while, although, more people call him The Russian Experiment in my experience.--] 13:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

			New York Post
	== Improvements ==
			https://nypost.com/2021/06/25/fedor-emelianenko-to-return-for-bellator-moscow-event-in-russia/

			https://www.fite.tv/fighter/fedor-emelianenko-the-last-emperor/80/
	I'm going to work on bringing this article up to FA status in the next few days. I'm using ], the only other FA related to a combat sport, as a loose guide. ]]] 04:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
	:East718, I recommend firstly to request a ], then it tries to meet ]. If article meet GA criteria, then request a ]. ] 08:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
	::I'm going to request a peer review, then take it straight to FAC, unless you want to contribute and have any objections. That's usually the route I take when promoting an article to FA status. ]]] 20:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

			I could go on...] (]) 11:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	==reliable of mmarankings blog==
	I think that is not a ]. This blog just started on January 2007, and seems to be updated by only one person. ] 08:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
	:I agree, especially when the same person keeps adding it to the article at the expense of the Inside Fighting rankings. Inside Fighting and Full Contact Fighter are both reputable magazines, and MMA Weekly and MMANews.com are both reliable online sources. ]]] 20:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

			{{ping\|NEDOCHAN}} {{ping\|Cassiopeia}} Updated the table to include ESPN source, also NEDOCHAN mma-core is a user generated site, and postwrestling is self published. ]<sup>(])</sup> 17:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	== Recent revert ==

			::Please update the table to include the other nine, then.] (]) 20:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
	I just reverted a lot of changes because of the heavy vandalism, misused fair use images, and broken formatting. ]]] 23:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

			:::{{ping\|NEDOCHAN\|RafaelHP}} NEDOCHAN, adding your sources except for postwrestling, mma-core and New York Post (not reliable). RafaelHP, ESPN can be used here as this is not UFC fight and it was back in 2019 in Japan Bellator event. As per the above, we have to for TKO and subset propose as (punches). After the closing of this discussion, both Emelianenko and Rampage fight record will change and reflect the same fight method.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 03:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
	== Fedor RUSSIAN ! ==

			:::: Hello, since that is no new info coming in, as per table indicated, we will go by TKO and subset propose as (punches) and will get an uninvloed editor to close the discussion.] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">]</span> 08:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
			{{Archive bottom}}

			== Ronda Rousey also named him the greatest ever ==
	----
	Fedor RUSSIAN !
	NO SAY "UKRAINE" !

			Could someone add that? Thank you.
	== Analysis of Lindland fight reads biased ==

			https://talksport.com/sport/1816249/ronda-rousey-fedor-emelianenko-conor-mcgregor-jon-jones/ ] (]) 22:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
	The section describing the controversial "rope grab" at Bodog St. Petersburg against Lindland is confusing and, in my opinion, dismissive. I think a cleaner description of what the fighters and their handlers claimed happened -- as opposed to an attempt to resolve their disparate claims into one account -- would remove the bias. A still from that point in the fight wouldn't hurt, either.

			== His name ==
	In general, the latter parts of the article could use some style and grammar cleanup. There are a lot of misplaced modifiers running around. I am perhaps the world's nerdiest MMA fan.
			His name is Fyodor, not “Fedor”. ] (]) 19:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

			*Per ] and realizing that translations of Russian names are interpreted differently, this is the correct, most widely reported name ] (]) 19:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
	"Last Russian Emperor" is a slogan that is written on my remake version of the old FE t-shirt with the falcon. (You can see Fedor wearing it when he corners his brother during Aleksander's fight with James Thompson; it's the one that's totally sweet.) Looking at the video, it does not appear that the original shirt says "Last Russian Emperor" on it. I suspect the guy who sells bootleg versions of those shirts on eBay added it himself. I have never heard Fedor referred to as the "Last Russian Emperor" outside of a t-shirt I bought on eBay. If he has a nickname, I don't know what it is.

	] 21:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Dan Brooks 6/11/07
	:I haven't done any work on the latter part of the article and I agree it desperately needs improvement, especially the section on his PRIDE career.

	:The "Last Russian Emperor" is not his nickname, it is just simple vandalism that an editor keeps introducing, along with messing with his nationality. His actual nickname, "The Last Emperor," while not widely used, is properly sourced.

	:I also agree with your assessment on the Lindland match, I'll make it NPOV and throw in an image. ]]] 08:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)



	FEDOR RUSSIAN ! NO UKRAINE ! HE IS BORN VOROSHILOVGRAD REGION (LUGANK REGION) ! RUSSIAN IN USSR ! EMELIANENKO-EMELIAN-nko ! EMELIAN -RUSSIAN NAME !
	I LIVED IN RUSSIA! I KNOW ABOUT WHAT I SPEAK !

	"I'M RUSSIAN BOGATYR (WARRIOR)" FEDOR EMELIANENKO !

	http://fotoplenka.ru/concurs/2/photo/253/ FEDOR PRODUCTION !

	YOU OFFEND FEDOR !

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Emelianenko's last win have been overturned by the World MMA Association

Emelianenko's last win over Fabio Maldonado have been overturned by the World MMA Association.

-We need to change it to a: unanimous draw ]
 the entire world (except Russia it seems like) know Fedor DID NOT WIN that last fight, WMMAA says he did not win.
 This is not just about Fedor, but also Maldonado that ends up sitting with the most shit from this bad experience in Russia and with the Russian MMA Federation.
 Maldonado didn't just get robbed of a majority draw (IMO, and most other mma realist's and fact hunters)
 They said he lost, it says on Wiki he lost. This last fight Fedor had, the facts need to be changed to what the WORLD MMA ASSOCIATION have decided.
 NOT WHAT THE CORRUPT RUSSIAN MMA FEDERATION DECIDED, IN WICH FEDERATION FEDOR IS THE PRESIDENT OF ? come on Misplaced Pages, aren't we about the facts? not corrupt judges already made up mind.

-These next facts comes from http://www.mmaweekly.com  -  
 http://www.mmaweekly.com/fedor-emelianenkos-win-over-fabio-maldonado-overturned-but-russians-refuse-decision

- Fedor Emelianenko‘s recent victory over UFC veteran Fabio Maldonado has been changed to a unanimous draw. (by the World MMA Association)

Maldonado initially lost to Fedor by a controversial majority decision. Following what he, his team, and many onlookers felt was an unjust decision, Maldonado filed an appeal with the Russian MMA Union, which assigned the officials that worked the fight. Maldonado cited a conflict of interest since Fedor is the president of the Russian MMA Union.

Russian MMA Union vice president Radmir Gabdullin denied Maldonado’s appeal, reportedly because he hadn’t filed it within 40 minutes of the announcement of the decision. Gabdullin is a former M-1 Global fighter. M-1 Global is a Russian promotion of which Fedor is part owner.

Maldonado’s manager, Stefano Sartori, then took the fight to a higher level, the World MMA Association, which includes the Russian MMA Union as one of its member organizations. Sartori requested the WMMAA assign its own set of judges to review and score the fight due to the initial conflict of interest and the unjustly rejected appeal.

In ruling on the matter, Alexander Engelhardt, Senior Vice President and Secretary General of the WMMAA, said, “The fact that the fighter, Fedor Emelianenko, being the President of the Russian MMA Union and the Head of Judge, Radmir Gabdullin, have a work relationship could potentially affected the judgmental decisions. We are not saying that this relationship has led to a different outcome of the result, but it is an unfortunate choice.

“Another mistake made was the refusing of the appeal. This is was based on the Amateur rules of the WMMAA and this fight was done under the professional rules of WMMAA.

“Regarding the second criterion. Marco Broersen as Head of the Professional Referees has selected three judges who were not working at the fight to judge the Maldonado vs Fedor fight.”

The judges Broersen selected were Youri Lamoureux of Canada, Lukasz Bosacki of Poland, and Alexey Zemskov of Russia. All three judges scored the fight a 28-28 draw.

As such, upon the advice of Broersen, the WMMAA officially changed the result of the bout to a unanimous draw. The decision was communicated to Fight Nights (the promotion which made the bout), Fedor Emelianenko, the Russian MMA Union, and Stefano Sartori.

The Russian Union of MMA, however, refuses to honor the WMMAA’s decision.

“The result of the battle can not be changed,” Gabdullin said in a comment to Russian news outlet tass.ru. “(WMMAA) can express their views, but do not have the right to influence the judges’ decision on the Russian professional promotion.

“This situation I regard as an unfounded attempt to take a well-deserved victory for the Russian fighter legend Fedor Emelianenko.”

vs. Quinton Jackson at Bellator 237

CLOSED After curating a list of sources, the majority of sources state the end result as a TKO. Closing the discussion as it was inactive for a week. Ticelon (talk) 19:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@NEDOCHAN: @Cassiopeia: @Eerie Holiday: I've pinged all of you because you were all involved in previous discussions about this exact topic.

Let's get to the point; I think the fight with Quinton Jackson at Bellator 237 should be changed from TKO to KO. I don't care about the specific technique being changed as that's a whole 'nother bag of worms, and the IRS (independent reliable sources) could not agree. What I did find though is that the majority of IRS have the result listed as KO or Knockout, which warrants the change in my opinion. The last RFC on Sherdog back in 2020 determined that sherdog was less reliable than other sources and should be used in a case by case basis. I think in this case, we side with the IRS and change it to KO. But I'd like to hear your thoughts on this (god knows we need fresh opinions on this topic).

Source	method (KO)	ref	Source	method (TKO)	ref
mmajunkie.usatoday.com	KO		mmafighting.com	TKO
sportingnews.com	knockout		sherdog.com	TKO (punches)
mmamania.com	KO		The Athletic	TKO
cagesidepress.com	KO (Right Straight)		mmanews.com	TKO
lowkickmma.com	KO (punches)		The Score	TKO
middleeasy.com	KO		TKO (punch)
combatpress.com	KO (right cross)		Internatinal Business Times	TKO
espn.com	KO		Fightmag	TKO
			UK Yahoo Sport	TKO
			Cagesiderpress	TKO (punch)

Updated again on April 19, 2022. Cassiopeia talk 03:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

♡RAFAEL♡ 00:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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@NEDOCHAN, Eerie Holiday, and RafaelHP:

(1)I have removed some of the not reliable and streaming site source and re-formatted the table. (also adjust accordingly in Rampage talk page).

(2) First of all, User:RafaelHP, you have been involved in MMA editing in Misplaced Pages for sometime now and please do understand to communicate in a civil and reasonable manner and not by silly and immature replay such as "LOL" and "This is an outrage!" - see here-1 or accusing me of have agenda (in the AfD ANI talk page) which I have none or accuse other editor have vendetta of something or stating you think other editor would add the source of your unsourced claim which you well know how to add the source and also well know Misplaced Pages is all about verification. Further more you also know going to talk page to discuss matter civilly and work together with other editors would be the best bet and most friendly matter to resolve the issue and dont need to go to ANI and ague to death then at the end you are asked to discuss in the talk by admin after all and wasting everyone effort and time for better use to editing other pages constructively. Do understand, I am here in good will and no agenda besides contributing to Misplaced Pages pages as per guidelines and I am always here to help. So I hope and again, this would be the last time we need to go to ANI or response uncivilly to other editor but come together and discuss the issue in mature and polite manner.

(3) In most cases Sherdog is right and Sherdog is the bigger mma database in the world and have been around the longest and know about mma industry but if you dont have a default that would be edit, raising ANIs, warring left and right and endless discussions lead to fighting among mma editors which is what happening in this issue and many other. We would use the IRS if more IRS state different that of Sherdog and do note many IRS do not state the subset fight method (as you can see even with KO there are differences in (punch, punches, strikes, right cross, right straight, knockdown - and that would lead to another edit warring and discussion of the subset KO method), instead of contributing and working together the results would be infighting (also they dont understand Misplaced Pages guidelines) and this one of the reasons many mma editors left Misplaced Pages and not only a handful of mma editors really work together.

(3) Now back to the above issue and sources provided - since more sources indicate KO then the fight method should be KO and since no agreeable subset method I propose "punches" to align with Quinton Jackson page fight record.

(4) Pls leave comments and I will get an uninvolved editor to close the discussion one week from today if not further comment after the 7th day. Stay safe everyone and again, pls discuss matter civilly and please work together in goodwill as all of us are working to better Misplaced Pages pages especially in those related to MMA. I am always here to help and best. Cassiopeia talk 02:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: First of all I'm a little annoyed that you straight up replaced my table with something from an old discussion, I would have appreciated you atleast asking first as that was supposed to be a piece of evidence presented by me. Second of all I don't know why you're choosing to tell me about being civil and mature, this is a mma fighter's talk page, not ANI (and for the record I created this section in the spirit of civility). Third of all I support keeping "punches" as the IRS have many differences and this is a case where the default is the best option. ♡RAFAEL♡ 02:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@RafaelHP: I have removed not reliable source in Rampage talk page and you didnt mentioned anything about it. Pls provide reliable sources and not unreliable or questionable sources next time. Secondly, since you have mentioned, so I have commented in ANI regarding you. Lastly, good to know you support KO (punches). Let's wait for other editors to comment. Cassiopeia talk 03:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

The sources that say KO are not RS. The sources that say TKO are better quality. I aabsolutely think it should stay as sourced to Sherdog. I am not sure why mmajunkie is considered reliable and would like to see a discussion on that. This is a typically pointless discussion on changing sourced information and a waste of time. Why don't we focus on information that contradicts sources? There's a lot of it out there. I do not support faffing about with sourced information and it should stay as Sherdog sourced. There is no evidence as to the reliability of the other sources. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:20, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN: There was a discussion on mmajunkie along with 2 other mma sources years ago, it did not reach a consensus as two editors voted in favor of it, and two editors voted in favor against it. Maybe you could create a new discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. ♡RAFAEL♡ 00:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Or maybe we could go with the source used in the infobox that says 'fight record'.NEDOCHAN (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

But why? The RS majority does have it as KO, you simply saying that the sources are lower quality doesn't make it true. ♡RAFAEL♡ 03:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN and RafaelHP: NEDOCHAN, MMA junkie is the second oldest MMA media behind Sherdog and then MMA fighting. Just as you are comparing Sydney morning Herald vs. New Strait Times, which both of the is the same quality which your take doesnt make sense. Think twice before to go to discussion for we all remember Sherdog incident since in regardless anyone who know mma or what define reliable source can vote and close the discussion. We dont want to lose half of the content in all mma pages sourced by MMA junkie. If top one and top two sources are considered questionable, then all other MMA media will do so and we will lose 95% of all mma content and pages in Misplaced Pages. Remember, there are source is reliable such as ESPN but it is not independent for the site has a very intimate relationship with UFC. You had vote and voice your opinion just as RafaelHP and I. Leave it to the uninvolved editor who close this discussion to close. Dont hang up with 100% for I understand your sentiment, I would prefer Sherdog, but Misplaced Pages guidelines, does not only based on one source. There are several discussion on this (mma record which involved admins). Let this simple besides on Rampage talk page has already vote on KO punches, we can have one page says one think and the opponent page say the other. Pls work together. Cassiopeia talk 04:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: Exactly, what is the reason for mmajunkie being unreliable? It is a reputable, long standing source, and without evidence to support the contrary, I have to disregard the claim of mmajunkie being a unreliable source. ♡RAFAEL♡ 04:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@RafaelHP: MMA junkie is reliable so it Sherdog and MMA Fighting. What NEDOCHAN claim made no sense. I would hope no other pages would discuss about changing the fight method again unless really super necessary, and let's all of us focus on editing MMA content, adding sources to unsourced content, make some pages to a GA status and copy editing especially for the last two for those have a good comment of English languages. Pls guys, work together and collaborating with one and other to better MMA pages and at try to comprise when it is needed. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 04:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: to be clear, I am not saying that MMA junkie shouldn't be used, I am saying there is no reason to assume it somehow usurps Sherdog. I think the table above is useless, as I could very easily find more sources that say TKO than KO and vice versa. It's a poor method that is unreliable.

This entire conversation is an utter waste of time and the OP is a net negative to the project and the whole encyclopaedia.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN: if you can find other sources then do so, for there is not a lot of alternatives to reach a resolution. I am with you and think we should stick to Sherdog, but we can not ignore the possibility of other sources say different. I dont like it as well and think it is net negative when such discussion of change of method taking place. When the fight method is changed from that of Sherdog's, there will be other editors would change it back that of Sherdog's for no one would read the talk page prior they change it and if the method revert back to that of talk page, another editor would change it back as per Sherdog - I have witness that many times. As I said, I hope this will be the last of such discussion raise and we can go back to spend our time to expand and improve article especially both of you have good command of English that would raise MMA fighter article to GA status. Pls guys, do cooperate and pls work together in civil and helpful manner as we spent too much time on this discussions and ANI and warnings. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 10:35, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad you support the logical and best solution to keep as sourced to Sherdog. Here are a few more sources to add:

https://www.fightmag.com.au/2019/12/29/fedor-emelianenko-knocks-out-quinton-rampage-jackson-at-bellator-japan/

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/why-it-might-be-time-for-quinton-rampage-jackson-to-retire-from-mma-184344848.html

https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/1915841

https://cagesidepress.com/2019/12/30/bellator-japan-fedor-vs-rampage-video-highlights/

https://www.mmanytt.com/latest-news/bellator-tokyo-fedor-emelianenko-kos-rampage-jackson-retires-from-mma/

https://www.postwrestling.com/2019/12/29/bellator-237-fedor-emelianenko-stops-quinton-jackson-by-tko/

https://www.ibtimes.com/former-ufc-champ-rampage-jackson-criticized-after-tko-loss-hints-huge-comeback-2896953

https://www.dazn.com/en-GLOBAL/news/boxing/rampage-jackson-on-shannon-briggs-i-gotta-shut-his-old-ass-up/qq05bhygs5s11tyutts9v85yw

https://www.mma-core.com/events/Bellator_237/81106

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/12/bellator-237-results-664162/

New York Post https://nypost.com/2021/06/25/fedor-emelianenko-to-return-for-bellator-moscow-event-in-russia/

https://www.fite.tv/fighter/fedor-emelianenko-the-last-emperor/80/

I could go on...NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN: @Cassiopeia: Updated the table to include ESPN source, also NEDOCHAN mma-core is a user generated site, and postwrestling is self published. ♡RAFAEL♡ 17:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Please update the table to include the other nine, then.NEDOCHAN (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN and RafaelHP: NEDOCHAN, adding your sources except for postwrestling, mma-core and New York Post (not reliable). RafaelHP, ESPN can be used here as this is not UFC fight and it was back in 2019 in Japan Bellator event. As per the above, we have to for TKO and subset propose as (punches). After the closing of this discussion, both Emelianenko and Rampage fight record will change and reflect the same fight method. Cassiopeia talk 03:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, since that is no new info coming in, as per table indicated, we will go by TKO and subset propose as (punches) and will get an uninvloed editor to close the discussion. Cassiopeia talk 08:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ronda Rousey also named him the greatest ever

Could someone add that? Thank you.

https://talksport.com/sport/1816249/ronda-rousey-fedor-emelianenko-conor-mcgregor-jon-jones/ 77.125.217.175 (talk) 22:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

His name

His name is Fyodor, not “Fedor”. 2A0A:EF40:910:B201:C88:226E:6D86:CFD1 (talk) 19:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME and realizing that translations of Russian names are interpreted differently, this is the correct, most widely reported name Nswix (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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