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			== healthcare ==
	I thought I read somewhere on wikipedia that this documentary would be more specifically about the mental healthcare system, something like that. Maybe it was on the Michael Moore page. '''EDIT:''' Yep it was the Michael Moore page. "Sicko (filming): Moore is currently working on a film about the American healthcare system from the viewpoint of mental healthcare (...)" ] 17:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)Heather

			I live in New Zealand and we have a pime minister John Key elected for his second term (three years again)He is National and made his money as a foreing exchange dealer in a Newyork. On his agenda here is to privatise healthcare and to sell of publick assets. Tonight for the the first time I saw your doco "Sicko". New Zealand has a similar model to the UK Canada France etc and it works well, as in the countries mentioned above.I don't want our healthcare system privatised because the moneymen in the middle creame it. For instance, a freind of mine visited his son in the US (he had travel insurance ) he developed ependonituos there and had to have to have it removed, the bill was $140,000 . If that would have happend here, nothing $. I have been following the healthcare debate in the US and my personal opinion is, Your litigation is the cause of extravegant costs in healthcare, and it seems to be seeping into our country as well because the Lawyers create all these grey areas that they can argue about for years (read $thousands }They saying here is "if it happens in America it will be here soon" Regards Knut. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	I think what they're implying is that the current system is insane...it's a little joke. It's a lot like The Corporation analyzing the corporate world as if it were a human being.

			:See ]. This is a global problem. ] (]) 23:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
	==Controversy section==
	There is a bias problem in the controversy page. It claims that Micheal Moore is over 750 lbs yet it doesn't cite the source. It also says that many have argued that an obese man cannot right a film criticising healthcare but it doesn't say who said that. Additionally, it does not offer any defenses of the film like you see in most controversy pages. Oh, and don't try to say no one has defended it. Micheal Moore does have fans and at least one would probably defend it.{{unsigned\|Majorie the Moron}}
	* For future reference, any outlandish claims that don't cite any source (or a poor unreliable source) can just be removed per ]. You don't even have to discuss it here, just cite ] in the edit summary. - ] 21:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

			== México, The Ángel of Independence. ==
	== News item ==
	mentions that there ''may'' be a showing of ''Sicko'' at the upcoming ]. - ] 00:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

			Walt!!!! The Ángel of Independence on Reforma street, México city, is showbiz in the film, when they are talking about France!!!! Big mistare. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	== More news on Cuba issue ==
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		⚫	== Title ==
	Short on time at the moment, if someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll format these up and add them to the article later. - ] 21:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

			Isn't this film's title actually styled ''SiCKO''? ] (]) 23:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Supposedly the 1st amendment would protect Mr. MM. I mean if he needs to go to Cuba to produce a piece of art that expresses free thoughts, a mere embargo law cannot trample his constitutional rights, not even in civili(non-criminal) cases.

			:This is discussed in the archives. The MOS favors the current title. ] (]) 23:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Otherwise local press here in Hungary reports Mr. Moore has made kind of horcruxes, that is he arranged to have several copies of Sicko hidden in many distant locations, so that american agencies will not be able to consfiscate and destroy the movie before it is shown to the public. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 15:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			== Note to readers ==
	== ''The Hollywood Reporter'' citations ==

			I attempted to fix this article when the film was released but faced an enormous amount of pushback, to the point where antagonists took over and destroyed the article. It was later revealed (NPR, Potter et al. 2020) that health insurance lobbyists had mounted a campaign to denigrate this subject. I recommend a complete rewrite of this article to better reflect current criticism, and to disentangle the lobbyists who agitated against this film by publishing false PR pieces disguised as journalism. ] (]) 23:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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	Hope we have a neutral editor maintaining this article. I have a feeling this film will be the target of some POV edits. —] (] • ]) - 05:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

	== TIME Magazine interview ==
	Just out today. - ] 16:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
	*{{cite news
	\| last =Kluger
	\| first =Jeffrey
	\| title =Moore in The E.R.
	\| publisher =TIME Magazine
	\| date =2007-05-17
	\| url =http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1622178,00.html
	\| accessdate = 2007-05-17 }}

⚫	== ~~name~~ ==

	The movie's name is "Sicko" not "SiCKO" right? The only place I see the latter spelling is on the poster. If so, we should probably use "Sicko" throughout the article. <span style="font-size: 10px">— ] (])</span> 17:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

	:Wouldn't the name on the poster be assumed to be right? I think the article should be moved to SiCKO (with a redirect from Sicko). My two cents. ] 02:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

	== cuba ==

	:It has emerged that in the film Michael Moore accompanies a number of rescue workers injured in the World Trade Center attacks of 2001 to Cuba to receive medical treatments, but did not address the local poverty of that country that seemed strangely omitted.
	Confusing sentence. The movie did not address something that was also omitted. Is it possible to address something while omitting it? Do we need an enyclopedia telling us something is "strange", can't we the readers judge that ourselves?

	The film touches briefly on Cuba's health care system costing significantly less to administer via ample preventative care, and makes the case that if Cuba is able to afford universal health care with their limited resources, the wealthier US should be able to ] 01:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

	== Moore vs Thompson==

	I think I'll add a section on the Moore vs Fred Thompson controversy. OK? ] 21:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

	: I haven't followed this one much. Would it be more appropriate for one of the other MM articles, like ]? You could have a header with just a brief sentence or three here, with a link to the main article, where the full story is. Just a suggestion. Something else to consider, to call it a "controversy", you usually need a reliable source characterizing it as a controversy. That probably wouldn't be hard to find in this case. - ] 00:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
	::Maybe you should read up on it first and then comment? It is directly related to Sicko and incidents and issues related to the movie so it would go here. I look forward to your thoughts. ] 01:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

	== English Expression ==

	This article needs to be cleaned up just a little. The quality of english expression in some parts is sub-standard. There are many glaring grammatical errors that result in an article that falls short of being encyclopaedic in it's quality.
	::: I'll take your word for it that it's directly related. I don't object to a section, but the article is about the movie, so it shouldn't be so large a section that it overwhelms the article. You seem to be aware of NPOV, OR, and all that, so knock yourself out. If you aren't up on reftags and citation templates, just stick in inline urls for cites, and I'll format them up into good footnotes when you are done. - ] 02:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

	== Plot ==

	The plot section is somewhat misleading. The visit to Cuba is actually a relatively small part of the film. Roughly the first half of the film discusses the US health system, particularly HMOs providing substandard care and denying treatment. The second half features visits to Canada, the UK, France and Cuba to compare their medical systems to that of the US. The visit to Cuba is actually a relatively small part of the film, but it is given precedence in the current article. ] 01:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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I live in New Zealand and we have a pime minister John Key elected for his second term (three years again)He is National and made his money as a foreing exchange dealer in a Newyork. On his agenda here is to privatise healthcare and to sell of publick assets. Tonight for the the first time I saw your doco "Sicko". New Zealand has a similar model to the UK Canada France etc and it works well, as in the countries mentioned above.I don't want our healthcare system privatised because the moneymen in the middle creame it. For instance, a freind of mine visited his son in the US (he had travel insurance ) he developed ependonituos there and had to have to have it removed, the bill was $140,000 . If that would have happend here, nothing $. I have been following the healthcare debate in the US and my personal opinion is, Your litigation is the cause of extravegant costs in healthcare, and it seems to be seeping into our country as well because the Lawyers create all these grey areas that they can argue about for years (read $thousands }They saying here is "if it happens in America it will be here soon" Regards Knut. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.253.235 (talk) 15:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

See financialization. This is a global problem. Viriditas (talk) 23:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

México, The Ángel of Independence.

Walt!!!! The Ángel of Independence on Reforma street, México city, is showbiz in the film, when they are talking about France!!!! Big mistare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.89.175 (talk) 07:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Title

Isn't this film's title actually styled SiCKO? 76.189.135.48 (talk) 23:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

This is discussed in the archives. The MOS favors the current title. Viriditas (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Note to readers

I attempted to fix this article when the film was released but faced an enormous amount of pushback, to the point where antagonists took over and destroyed the article. It was later revealed (NPR, Potter et al. 2020) that health insurance lobbyists had mounted a campaign to denigrate this subject. I recommend a complete rewrite of this article to better reflect current criticism, and to disentangle the lobbyists who agitated against this film by publishing false PR pieces disguised as journalism. Viriditas (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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