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| Should it be "Media freedom in Russia", "Freedom of expression in Russia", or "Censorship in Russia"? ] 21:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == NPOV == | |||
| I propose to create both three articles and fill them with equal stuff, to make editors' life impossible. ] 10:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Check this article for objectivity. Remove links to western propaganda and to pseudo-independent organisations. Links should point to authoritative independent sources and show all views with no cuts. Links should represent official position of russian government, and view of all russian and international media, including asian countries. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:48, 28 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==TV directors in Kremlin== | |||
| :Are reptilians still shit in your pants, not allowing to talk about UFOs? | |||
| Translation of at ] account of Russian journalist ] (LJ user "another_kashin"): | |||
| Despite having been asked four years back, the telling points made in this NPOV comment are yet to be addressed. Or would to do so risk highlighting how this article breaks Misplaced Pages's rules on balanced reporting and the need to avoid pushing an agenda? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :'''user: | |||
| :Yevgeniya Albats claims that directors of TV companies and newspapers are every thursday invited to Kremlin at meetings with ], where they are told which news where to present. Strictly, "Today the directors of the television channels and the newspapers are invited every Thursday into the Kremlin office of the deputy head of administration, Vladislav Surkov to learn what news should be presented, and where." | |||
| :Would you comment on this? | |||
| == poetin is same person as hitler == | |||
| :'''user: another_kashin | |||
| :As far as I know, such meetings are no longer with Surkov; also two years ago they were cancelled by incentive of Kremlin, and soon restored by incentive of directors of TV companies. | |||
| :Western media (and Albats especially) don't understand nothing at all about Russia. | |||
| poetin is a massa murder. He looks like hitler. | |||
| :'''user: | |||
| a person like poetin does not care about people. even his own people off russia he does not care about. | |||
| :And may be, you would take into it and write, what do directors of TV discuss inside Kremlin walls? The theme for journalist investigation is great, topical and uncovered. Perhaps, dangerous too. But we have, the hell, democracy! and you are representative of fourth branch of power. We would be proud of you! :) | |||
| poetin must be killed for the freedom off whole the world. ] (]) 13:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :'''user: another_kashin | |||
| :Perhaps it's really a great and uncovered thema, but as soon as number of participants of such meetings hardly exceeds five, and moreover, hardly any of them has inclination to spread contents of the conversations beyond bounds of that office (and it's since one works, that one doesn't has such inclination), so perhaps it's even impossible to learn that for sure. | |||
| :But it's very simple to guess, what happens there and what's the sense of such meetings. Two leading channels of the country directly belong to the state, the third belongs to the state company "Gazprom". Has the leading stockholder the right to carry consultations with heads of its companies? Undoubtedly has. Has it the right to get involved in editorial policy? The law sais nothing about it, and the shareholder, obviously, gets involved -- it's brilliantly seen from contents of broadcasts, by the way, which I believe are rarely taken seriously by anybody in Russia, TV is industry of entertainment and ratings are quite convicting to witness that. | |||
| :Then, may such meetings and on the whole interference in editorial policy be considered violence upon good will of managers of TV companies? I guess, no. In exchange for that interference, TV companies obtain, at first, perceptible preferences towards access of any information (there are many places, institutions, people, accessible only by state TV companies, and inaccessible for journalists of private newspapers), and what's more important, unlimited opportunity to earn money in spheres, which do no interest the state — movies, show-business, and so on (in these domains state companies became serious players only now, under Putin, and it's because share of responsibility looks approximately so.) | |||
| Give it is illegal, why is Misplaced Pages letting people use it as a platform for Hate Speech? Would this comment been allowed is if had been aimed at the US President? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Misplaced Pages editor detained for violating Russian law == | |||
| <p>It must be noted, Oleg Kashin's interlocutor was me (LJ user evagen). But I think that we could use this very interesting information without regard on that. It IS NOT original research, as it doesn't really mean, who was Kashin's interlocutor. ] 20:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| "," Yahoo. | |||
| ==Freedom house report== | |||
| Continuing the discussion started at talk pages of users ] and ]. | |||
| "Authorities in Belarus have arrested and detained ... one of the top editors of Russian Misplaced Pages.... Bernstein was reportedly accused of violating the "fake news" law Russia passed in early March by editing the Misplaced Pages article about the invasion of Ukraine. Under the new law, anybody found guilty of what the country deems as false information about the Ukraine invasion — remember, the Kremlin calls it a "special military operation" — could be imprisoned for up to 15 years." --] (]) 06:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it's good to mention Kuznetsov's commentary, as it represents critical approach to the report, but there's no point in discussing this in detail, as his criticism is quite shallow and not notable to be so prominently analysed in the encyclopaedia article. This is regardless if he is right or wrong. I suggest to take this discussion to the article's talk page. --]<sup>]</sup> 15:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] deserves to be mentioned == | |||
| Let's discuss it. I think it's notable, why? The article is about media freedom in Russia, not in the world, so there's no point to omit such details like known journalists, websites, laws. Freedom House report covered 150 countries, there were only two pages about Russia. Even if Kuznetsov is unknown in the West, he's published at the site Lenta.Ru, which is at least included in top 5 Russian internet news sites (among Rbc.ru, Gazeta.ru, perhaps rian.ru, km.ru or grani.ru). | |||
| Her participations in The ]. ] (]) 10:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Well, unlike Freedom House Kuznetsov is polite and accurate. Don't you mistake that for shallowness? | |||
| == No Freedom to Present Evidence? == | |||
| Look. Freedom House says: "Media freedom was further curtailed in 2006 as President Vladimir Putin’s government passed legislation restricting news reporting". This claim is based on two things: 1) New law on NGOs (FH and Kuznetsov have different perspectives on that but that's not viewed) 2) Ammendments to the Law on Fighting Extremist Activity. Is there a difference between "media criticism" or "public slander" considered extremism? If media criticism is considered extremism, it means, that you may be jailed for article "President heads the country in wrong direction". Doom's day. If public slader (what's in reality) -- you may be punished only for articles like "Governor protects an underground terrorists base", or "President humiliated Ingush nationals at the meeting in Kremlin." And only after a trial which would check the facts. Although nothing good, but it makes difference. | |||
| Seems that Russia does not have the freedom to put across it's Point of View within this article. Is it a case of being innocent - until proven Russian? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Does it worth mentioning? Surely. Because, simply "media criticism", as I said, is doom's day and absolute end of democracy, like some guys have already mentioned at Wiki talk pages. | |||
| :The article speaks of facts. It does cover Kremlin's justifications for the restrictions, but the absence of media freedom is not a point of view, it's a fact. ] (]) 12:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| The next Freedom House claims: "authorities are able to use the judicial systems to harass and prosecute independent journalists." "Criminal courts also sentenced several journalists on charges of “inciting racial hatred” for publicizing controversial events in Chechnya." FH bases this on history of two journalists. Does it make difference, if they are innocent investigators or really "incited racial hatred"? Surely. Because in the first case it is really suppression of freedom speech, masked as if it's violation of a law. But in the second case, it's triumph of the judiciary, which punished a journalist who used his power towards direction of destructing Russia's multinational society and provoking further ethnic conflicts (If you had Chechen war in your country, you wouldn't consider this reason laughable). Here Kuznetsov's notice is very notable, because the matter is really thin. (btw, I've learned in school that "several" denotes "three or more".) | |||
| The again, while the article speaks of facts - are they not mixed in with a degree of (anti-Russian) agenda pushing? (Updated) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Freedom House claims: "journalists were subjected to physical violence and intimidation." "Other journalists who were killed in 2006—likely for reasons tied to their work, according to media watchdogs— list of 4-5 names" Of course it's bad when a journalist is murdered. But there are 30,000 newspapers. We can estimate 100,000 journalists. Every year 30 people for each 100,000 are murdered in Russia -- not safe country. We can estimate every year 30 murdered journalists. It's simple mathematics. And the problem ''here'' is not with speech freedom, but with proper work of law defense structures. The real question is -- whether journalists are killed for reasons tied with their work? FH claims: yes, it seems they were. Kuznetsov claims: no, it's clear only that Politkovskaya was killed for her work, and others most probably were killed on the same grounds as any other 28,000 murder victims in 2006. | |||
| Of course, I greately exaggerated Kuznetsov's reaction in my this reasoning, just to make things clearer. (In the article I tried to hold closely to his article -- correct me please if I was inaccurate.) But he is a Russian journalist, it would look strange if he would furiously stand against organisation which claims to protect him and his colleagues. But he said enough for a thoughtful reader. He discussed the main thing -- i.e. facts that FH used to ground its claims. Because without proper grounds one claim is as good as the other. ] 17:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Andrey Kuznetsov== | |||
| Who is this Andrey Kuznetsov? Could you provide any refernce saying at least that he is a journalist? What newspaper he works for? This reference (an automatic translation?) looks like a blog. Where is original used for translation? ''I am asking because Google search does not identify any journalist named "Andrey Kuznetsov".'' ] 17:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC) Even if supported by sources, this minority opinion of an unknown person was given undue weight in this article: his opinions occupy more space than an official statement by internationally recognized organization.] 17:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Undue weight== | |||
| You just said: "Due weight. First we have statements of FH on some topics, then we have different opinion on the same topics from a reputable source. Few in US heard abt Lenta.ru, but few in Russia heard abt F House!)". Sorry, but it does not work this way. On one side, we have] (see Misplaced Pages article); this is a ''notable International organization''; it published results of '']'', not a opinion piece; the results of their reserach were published in numerous sources. On the other side, we have a ''private opinion of a comletely unknown person''. Could you please provide at least ''one'' publication ''about'' him? I have no idea who he is.] 19:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Furthermore, this is only ''his'' opinion, not even a minority opinion. Since he is not a notable person or a widely recognized expert, his opinion has no Encyclopedic value and therefore should be deleted.] 19:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| It's all okey. Who sais Freedom House is a notable organization? In Russia it's absolutely disreputable, for that crap which it composes about my country. And it's research is all crap, as simply a journalist, using sources, most of which can be checked through the Internet, has managed to show pretty well. As for their "research made by the team", it's more about lurking from responsibility, as we can't look in honest faces of people who prepared that report. About Kuznetsov, do a . As you see, there are 1,000 links, many are to his articles at this site, on serious topics, which speaks about his professionalism. ] 21:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :No, it is not. This is very simple. We have ] WP article because Freedom House is a notable organization. We do not have a WP article about this Andrei Kuznetsov, because he is not a notable person. I did not ask about Google search of lenta.ru articles. I said articles ''about'' Kuznetsov. That is how one can establish notability. Please see ]. Please provide at least '''one''' independent reliable source that tells who this Andrei Kuznetsov is. So far, there is none.] 23:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC) Most of your "links" lead to a sportsmen Andrei Kuznetsov, not to this "journalist" (this is a very common name).] 23:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Let me emphasize again why it is so important. The title of his article claims the ] to be "'''fraud'''". Current text inserted by you says: "He also claimed the report did not match the "scientific requirements" of a research." But who is this person to judge? If he was a professional sociologist who made an alternative stdudy and published this study in a peer reviewed journal, then yes, it would be appropriate to talk about contradictions, etc. But we still do not know who this Kuznetsov is. ] 00:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Who's Kuznetsov? He is an editor of the major Russian internet news site, Lenta.ru, see the . No, links I provided are not about any sportsman with such name, see . Yes, perhaps some links are cross-references to his articles, but nevertheless, he authored a lot. | |||
| We may reword that. Lenta Ru is the major Russian news website. The major Russian website published a critical article about Freedom House report (I note that it's draft version of the report, and the report itself is not yet released). If Kuznetsov published his article on his own, that would be different, and your critique would be fully appreciated. But it's an article in the major Media in one of four major Russian infourmation sources -- I mean Internet, newspapers, radio, and TV. | |||
| The title of the article is needed only to attract readers, it might be editorial policy, not Kuznetsov's willing choice. By the way, Kuznetsov didn't say it's a fraud, he approved job of Freedom House, he said it made a good job, just he criticized its accuracy. My god, have yuo read his article at all?! ] 14:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Explain one simple thing: why do you think we need Gordievsky's comment on Politkovskaya death? Who is Gordiyevsky and who is Politkovskaya. ] 14:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Check this article for objectivity. Remove links to western propaganda and to pseudo-independent organisations. Links should point to authoritative independent sources and show all views with no cuts. Links should represent official position of russian government, and view of all russian and international media, including asian countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.167.168.10 (talk) 05:48, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Are reptilians still shit in your pants, not allowing to talk about UFOs?
Despite having been asked four years back, the telling points made in this NPOV comment are yet to be addressed. Or would to do so risk highlighting how this article breaks Misplaced Pages's rules on balanced reporting and the need to avoid pushing an agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.196.0 (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
poetin is same person as hitler
poetin is a massa murder. He looks like hitler. a person like poetin does not care about people. even his own people off russia he does not care about.
poetin must be killed for the freedom off whole the world. 82.217.161.18 (talk) 13:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Give it is illegal, why is Misplaced Pages letting people use it as a platform for Hate Speech? Would this comment been allowed is if had been aimed at the US President? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.196.0 (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages editor detained for violating Russian law
"Prominent editor of Russian Misplaced Pages pages detained in Belarus," Yahoo.
"Authorities in Belarus have arrested and detained ... one of the top editors of Russian Misplaced Pages.... Bernstein was reportedly accused of violating the "fake news" law Russia passed in early March by editing the Misplaced Pages article about the invasion of Ukraine. Under the new law, anybody found guilty of what the country deems as false information about the Ukraine invasion — remember, the Kremlin calls it a "special military operation" — could be imprisoned for up to 15 years." --2603:7000:2143:8500:19EE:D8B5:8A85:4329 (talk) 06:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Margarita Simonyan deserves to be mentioned
Her participations in The Evening with Vladimir Solovyov. Xx236 (talk) 10:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
No Freedom to Present Evidence?
Seems that Russia does not have the freedom to put across it's Point of View within this article. Is it a case of being innocent - until proven Russian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.190 (talk) 09:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- The article speaks of facts. It does cover Kremlin's justifications for the restrictions, but the absence of media freedom is not a point of view, it's a fact. Cloud200 (talk) 12:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
The again, while the article speaks of facts - are they not mixed in with a degree of (anti-Russian) agenda pushing? (Updated) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.242 (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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